HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2008-03-18MINUTES OF THE 9W REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia held its 960" Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center
Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. John Walsh, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: William LaPine Deborah McDermott R. Lee Morrow
Ashley Varloogian Ian Wilshaw John Walsh
Members absent: Carol Smiley
Messrs. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, and Scott Miller, Planner III, were
also present.
Chairman Walsh informed the audience that if a petition on tonighfs agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the
City Council who, in tum, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If
a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become
effective seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission
and the professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing.
The staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying
resolutions, which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the
outcome oflhe proceedings tonight.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2008-02-08-04 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE
Ms. McDermott, Acting Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda,
Petition 2008-02-08-04 submitted by Sam Baki, on behalf of the
Livonia Professional Office Plaza, requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in
connection with an expansion of an office complex that would
include the construction of a new one-story office building on
properties at 19900 through 20010 Farmington Road, located
on the east side of Farmington Road between Fargo Road and
Norfolk Avenue in the Northwest % of Section 3.
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Mr. Miller: The subject property consists of seven separate parcels that
have a combined land area of 3.57 acres. The entire office site
is zoned OS, Office Services. Abutting the subject property to
the north is the Navin Oaks Condominiums, which is a seven
unit residential development that is zoned R-3, One Family
Residential. Adjacent to the east is an 1-3 district that contains
single-family homes on acreage parcels that front along
Shadyside Road. Immediately to the south, across Fargo
Avenue, is the Woodlore Condominium development that is
zoned R-7, Multiple Family Residential. Directly to the west,
across Farmington Road, is an RUF district that contains single-
family homes on acreage parcels. The proposed multi -tenant
office building would be one-story in height and contain 4,420
square feet of gross leasable floor space. The existing six multi -
tenant office buildings of the complex are each between 3,750
square feet and 5,150 square feet in size. The existing
buildings are laid out in such a manner that the footprints of the
three northern buildings basically mirror those of the three
southern buildings. The proposed building would be located
east of the existing buildings, 68 feel from Fargo Avenue and
right up against the earthberm of the east property line. In order
to accommodate the proposed building, a section of the parking
lot would have to be reconfigured. According to the 'Notes'
listed on the site plan, the existing and proposed office uses
would be limited to 80% medical services and 20% general
office. The required parking is 200 spaces; the proposed
parking is 216 spaces, so they meet the parking requirement.
All parking spaces are conforming and measure 10 feel wide by
20 feet deep. The building elevation plan shows that the multi -
tenant office building would be constructed out of brick on all
four sides. Its cross gabled roof would have decorative dormers
and would be covered with dimensional shingles. Over the
entrances would be gabled roof porch overhangs. These
overhangs would extend out from the building approximately 4
to 5 feel and would be supported by dimensional columns.
Because this site abuts residential along both the north and east
property lines, a screening wall or greenbelt is required along
these lot lines. The plans indicate that an existing screen wall
that runs along the entire length of the north property line would
remain. Along the east property line is an existing 25 foot wide
landscaped greenbelt. To help screen the new proposed
building from the residential homes to the east, the petitioner is
proposing to add additional plant material to the existing
greenbelt. Three types of evergreen trees (Canadian Hemlock,
While Fir, Mission Arborvitae) would be introduced and
incorporated into the existing landscaping scheme. That is the
extent of the proposal.
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Mr. Walsh: Is there any correspondence for the record?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated March 6, 2008, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above -referenced petition. We have
no objection to the proposal at this time. The legal description
submitted is correct and no additional right -0f -way is required.
Then; is an existing range of addresses for this property (19900
thm 20010). The Engineering Division has assigned an address
of 20014 to this new building." The letter is signed by Kevin G.
Roney, P.E., City Engineer. The second letter is from the
Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated March 30, 2008, which
reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan
submitted in connection with a request to construct an office
building on property located at the above -referenced address.
We have no objections to this proposal with the following
stipulations: (1) Adequate hydrants shall be provided and
located with a maximum spacing of 300 feet between hydrants.
Most remote hydrant shall Flow 1,500 GPM with a residual
pressure of 20 PSI. (2) Any curves or comer of streets shall
accommodate emergency vehicles with a turning radius of fifty-
three feet wall-to-wall and an inside turning radius of twenty-
nine feet six inches. We have no objections to this proposal."
The letter is signed by Donald F. Donnelley, Fire Marshal. The
third letter is from the Division of Police, dated February 26,
2008, which reads as follows: "We have reviewed the plans in
connection with the Livonia Professional Plaza, located at the
northeast comer of Fargo and Farmington Roads (19934-20002
Farmington). We have no objections or recommendations to the
plans as submitted." The letter is signed by David W. Studt,
Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the
Inspection Department, dated March 4, 2008, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request of February 14, 2008, the
above -referenced petition has been reviewed. The following is
noted. (1) A barrier free turning ramp platform is not shown on
the sidewalk around the proposed building. Barrier free access
will be required for all accessible entrances. These items will be
addressed further at time of plan review if this project goes
forward. (2) The width of the aisle between the existing parking
spaces on the east side of the existing building and the new
parking spaces on the west side of the proposed building is
required to be a minimum of 22 feet. No dimension is shown.
(3) The existing parking lot shall be repaired, sealed and re
striped as necessary. All parking spaces are required to be
double striped. (4) The existing dumpster enclosures are in
need of repair or replacement. (5) The existing dumpster
Sam Baki. 20321 Shadyside, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm here on behalf of the
owner of this property. As you see, this paroel has been vacant
with only a parking lot for years, and now we're acquiring it.
We're coming to this Commission and City Council to gel an
approval for a 4,400 square foot office site. We supersede the
parking requirement. I did address most of the concerns I got
from the letter from the Fire Department and from the Building
Department. Most of it is on the plans, some maybe not, but
there is a fire hydrant. If you look at the new plans you have,
right across from the same building, from the southern entrance
across from that building, night across the street from it, there's
a fire hydrant that sits night next to the apartment complex,
which is technically, that is what was used for the rest of the
properly that's already there. There's one on Farmington Road
but there's one night across the street from it, which is within the
required limitation of the Fire Department. Turning radius all
meet the requirement too. As you see the entrance, they can
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enclosure located directly east of the existing buildings does not
appear to have sufficient room for a front end loading garbage
truck to access property. This may have contributed to the
damage of the enclosure. This Department has no further
objections to this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome
Hanna, Senior Building Inspector. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any questions for the staff?
Ms. Vartoogian:
I was wondering if any of these issues have been addressed or
resolved, the ones that were listed in the Inspection
Department's correspondence and also the Fire Department's
correspondence.
Mr. Taormina:
There is new information on the plans relative to the width of the
driveways, which have been corrected. I'm not sure there is a
note on the plan with respect to the repair of the parking lot.
The dumpsler enclosures are shown on the plan. There is no
indication that they will be modified in any manner that I'm
aware of. I believe the issue of the barrier free ramp, while it
may be shown on the plan, would be corrected al the time of the
plan review process. They have indicated the location of the
adjacent hydrant on the plan, which is across Fargo Avenue.
Thank you.
Ms. Vartoogian:
Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.
Mr. Walsh:
Is there anything else before we go to the petitioner? We will
open the floor to you, Mr. Baki.
Sam Baki. 20321 Shadyside, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm here on behalf of the
owner of this property. As you see, this paroel has been vacant
with only a parking lot for years, and now we're acquiring it.
We're coming to this Commission and City Council to gel an
approval for a 4,400 square foot office site. We supersede the
parking requirement. I did address most of the concerns I got
from the letter from the Fire Department and from the Building
Department. Most of it is on the plans, some maybe not, but
there is a fire hydrant. If you look at the new plans you have,
right across from the same building, from the southern entrance
across from that building, night across the street from it, there's
a fire hydrant that sits night next to the apartment complex,
which is technically, that is what was used for the rest of the
properly that's already there. There's one on Farmington Road
but there's one night across the street from it, which is within the
required limitation of the Fire Department. Turning radius all
meet the requirement too. As you see the entrance, they can
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go around and go north and then go behind all the buildings. So
the fire trucks will have the radius they're looking for as in
design. That's the reason I actually designed the drive between
the parking lot at 24 feet instead of 22 feel, which is the
minimum that's required. I went with 24 feel. I know one of the
concerns that we might have to change . it will affect
dimension -wise. We did show all the rest of the dimensions on
the new plans with the drives ... on the new building, to the
west of it, we showed it at 24 feet. It's going to end up going
down to 22 because we're going to use the extra two feet for the
sidewalk on the front of the building if it's required. It still meets
the requirement but with the new plans, if you look at it, it shows
four feel. I don't know if five or six feel are required. Either or,
i's going to go either 23 or 22 feet. We dont know yet the final
until we see what the Building Department requires. However,
that will not affect the size of the building. The dumpster itself,
we will repair the dumpster enclosure. If you look at the new
plans and look at the older plans, the island facing the
dumpster, it's longer on this plan than on the new plans. We
are going to modify the island to have the trucks coming from
that turnaround and go straight into it so they will have a better
turning point so they won't have the problem they're having right
now. On the new plan, it shows it. Re -striping, it's going to
happen anyway. We're going to do the re -striping and the
resurfacing repairs This present owner of this properly, who I'm
proceeding on this site plan for him for this office, owns the first
building to the west of it. It's owned by us too. He owns both
parcels. He's going to redo his parking lot for both buildings as
soon as we get the site plan approved, and we're going to
proceed on repairing it and re -striping the whole site, our sites.
Other than that, I'll take any questions
Mr. Walsh: Are there any questions from the Commissioners?
Mr. LaPine: In our study meeting, Mr. Baki, you staled that there's four or
five different owners of these different parcels, and we talked
about re -striping the parking lot. Are you telling me you're only
going to re -stripe the paroel that you're building on, plus the one
to the north or the west, whatever it is?
Mr. Baki: Because that's what we own personally as an owner. The
association, we'll have to deal with the association. There's an
association on this whole site to service whatever they do and
re -stripe it. Supposedly, they redid it last year, which I don't
understand. That's what I found out from the owner. They re -
striped that site last year.
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Mr. LaPine:
Well, then it wore out. My second question is, the dumpster that
is directly north of your new building and to the west. Are you
going to make that a bigger area because the dumpster won't fit
in that area, and there's no gates on it.
Mr. Baki:
That dumpster hasn't been used for years. Nobody is using it.
Mr. LaPine:
But the dumpster is there.
Mr. Baki:
No, just the enclosure. There's no dumpster in that box.
Mr. LaPine:
My eyesight must be bad because I thought I saw one.
Mr. Baki:
That's what I'm saying. That area has not been used at all.
Mr. LaPine:
Right in front of that dumpster, there's a manhole cover. The
pavement is all caved in and the manhole is sitting on an angle.
Mr. Baki:
I saw that.
Mr. LaPine:
I hope you're going to fix that.
Mr. Baki: We are. Actually, here's my plans for the whole site because
this is what we're using for storm. We going to come in and cul
like a four or six feel by six feel, centered around this manhole
like we doing at a lot of existing office buildings, and put
concrete slabs and then put asphalt, and repair around it. So
we are going to do that, part of our storm management, once we
finalize the approval through the Engineering Department.
Mr. LaPine; Okay. The other question I had, you're going to fix the
dumpster in the northeast corner, the wooden one. It's all wood.
Mr. Baki: I, honestly, from what I see, since no one has been using it for
years, take it down. I mean iljusl is not usable for anything.
Mr. LaPine: You keep telling me . there's three dumpslers on this
location. All these buildings are only going to need one
dumpster. Is that what you're telling me?
Mr. Baki: No, actually what I'm saying is this, if you're aware of how the
dumpster pickup works, you pay them depending how many
limes you want it picked up. You can pick up five days a week;
you can pick it up twice a week. This dumpster right now, the
only two dumpsters being used, the one on Farmington Road
that you see there and the one right next to us, the one I'm
going to repair. That other enclosure has not been used for
over 10 years.
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Mr. LaPine: I just want to gel this straight. You're going to repair the
dumpster that is directly east, north of your building and south.
The one on the north, you're going to eliminate?
Mr. Baki: Yes.
Mr. LaPine: Now, you're telling me that this dumpster here and the one on
Farmington Road takes care of all the garbage. I mean, there's
a lot of people doing a lot of walking getting to these dumpsters.
This just doesn't seem logical to me.
Mr. Baki: There is a reason for that.
Mr. LaPine: Okay. Lel me hear the reason.
Mr. Baki: I'll tell you the main reason. When you're dealing with a lot of
doctors, a lot of their garbage does not go in dumpster. Its a
special pickup.
Mr. LaPine: I understand.
Mr. Baki: So half of their garbage does not go into these dumpsters. As
you know, the syringes and everything else. So because of that
sanitation issue, these dumpsters are never full. If you saw it,
it's just never full, and we have, I think, either two or three
pickups a week. So the pickups are happy. Its not like they're
getting flooded.
Mr. LaPine: I'm not out there checking them everyday, so I'll take your word
for it. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
Mr. Baki, the dumpster we were just discussing, is that part of
your client's parcel?
Mr. Baki:
Its half and half.
Mr. Morrow:
So there is some responsibility for that particular dumpster that's
up there in the northeast comer?
Mr. Baki:
This one is half and half. The other one belongs to the guy who
owns ...
Mr. Morrow:
That's the point I'm trying to make. In other words, the one in
the northeast corner is not yours?
Mr. Baki:
No. Actually, its not even the guy's next to me. It's the guy's in
the middle because of the configuration of the land. Yes.
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Mr. Morrow:
If I remember correctly, there are seven parcels there.
Mr. Baki:
Yes.
Mr. Morrow:
So you're only talking about the one. The other point I wanted
to make, because of the setback of this new building, being
within the ordinance but almost on top of that residential
neighborhood, have you had any communication with him so he
won't be surprised when all of a sudden he has an office
building?
Mr. Baki:
Actually, I did. You haven't seen my first and original plan. My
original plan, the building was going to be halfway in the parking
lot and I was staying away from the neighbor. After talking to
different people from the city, on the City Council and I went and
met with the neighbor. I showed him both plans, this one and
the one with the building in the middle with the parking lot facing
his house like it existed. He said he'd rather see the building
than the parking lot because that's less lights shining on his
bedroom windows.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. So he's happy and he won't be surprised?
Mr. Baki:
He had no problem with that. Yes.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any additional questions?
Mrs. McDermott:
I just wanted to ask about in relation to that neighbor and
greenbelt that's there Are there any proposed changes to that
greenbelt?
Mr. Baki:
The only thing we're doing, he mentioned to me one dead tree.
I told him definitely we will lake that down. I mentioned to him,
from my original plan, I had all these new trees are going in to
add for more buffer for him because the trees that we have on
that site right now, it doesn't have leaf in the winter. The ones
I'm trying to put in with spruces will keep some buffer for him
more and he liked that idea. If you see the northern two parking
spaces that I put on that end, he wants to make sure that stays
open. That's why he didn't want no trees there because he
uses that to drop his mulch on his side gate. So I told him I'd
leave that open for him. So, yes, I did communicate with him,
and he's happy with what he saw.
Mrs. McDermott:
Okay. Thank you.
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Mr. Wilshaw:
Sam, did you bring any material samples to show us?
Mr. Baki:
No, and the reason I didn't, it's in question. I don't know if the
Planning Department was going to say something about it. The
existing coloring of the building is not as great as anybody
would like to see it, I guess. So I was told by some different
people, see if we can match the house instead of the office
buildings. I can do that. So that's why I didn't bring any brick
samples. We're putting some stone, some strips of stone, so
we're going to make it look nice, but the brick itself, we were
going to try to match the building with the tan, but we might go
with red instead right now. So we don't know yet. The Planning
Department went out to look and see the difference and see
what they think is a more appropriate color for the building.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. So, without the material samples, can you just briefly
describe he materials? You mentioned possibly a red brick,
some stone.
Mr. Baki:
Red brick, stone columns, stone strips, even the gable is going
to have brick. They we're going to have fascia only on the two
gabled parts that you see. That's the only area that's going to
have stucco, but the rest is going to be stone and brick.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. And those gables are just decorative, correct?
Mr. Baki:
Yes, with the vents.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Sure. Okay. I'mgood. Thankyou.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any additional questions or comments? Thank you,
Mr. Baki. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak
for or against this petition? Seeing no one coming forward, a
motion would be in order.
On a motion by McDermott, seconded by Morrow, and unanimously adopted, it
was
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RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2008-02-08-04
submitted by Sam Baki, on behalf of the Livonia Professional
Office Plaza, requesting approval of all plans required by
Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with an
expansion of an office complex that would include the
construction of a new one-story office building on properfies at
19900 through 20010 Farmington Road, located on the east
side of Farmington Road between Fargo Road and Norfolk
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Avenue in the Northwest % of Section 3, be approved subject to
the following conditions:
1. That the Site and Landscape Plan marked Job No. 08 -06 -
SP -325 dated March 6, 2008, as revised, is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That appropriate recordable legal instrumentation, such as
a cross parking agreement, that gives notice and outlines
the terms of how the subject property(s) would share
parking and access, be supplied to the City;
3. That all disturbed bwn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydroseeding;
4. That the Exterior Building Elevation Plan marked Sheet No.
A-1 dated March 17, 2008, prepared by Architecturally
Speaking, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
5. Thallhe Exterior Building Elevation Plan marked Sheet No.
A-2, received by the Planning Commission on March 17,
2008, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
6. That the brick used in the construction shall be full face
four (4") inch brick;
7. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
8. That this site shall meet the Wayne County Storm Water
Management Ordinance and hall secure the necessary
permits, including storm water management permits,
wetlands permits and soil erosion and sedimentation
control permits, from Wayne County, the City of Livonia,
and/or the Slate of Michigan Department of Environmental
Quality;
9. That the petitioner shall correct to the Inspection
Department's satisfaction the items outlined in the
correspondence dated March 4, 2008;
10. That the petitioner shall correct to the Fire Department's
satisfaction the items outlined in the correspondence dated
March 6, 2008;
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11. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
12. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows;
13. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and,
14. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of one year only from the date of approval by City
Council, and unless a building permit is obtained this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Walsh, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving
resolution.
ITEM #2 PETITION 85-03-08-03 JAMES BLAIN ASSOC.
Ms. McDermott, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda,
Petition 85-03-08-03 submitted by James Blain Associates
requesting to modify the approved landscape plan, which
previously received approval, in connection with the Cambridge
Office Center, a high-rise office building at 38777 Six Mile Road,
located on the south side of Six Mile Road between Haggerty
Road and the 1-275/96 Expressway in the Northwest % of
Section 18.
Mr. Miller: The Cambridge Office Center is four stories in height. The City
granted site plan approval on December 7, 1987. The petitioner
has explained that the landscape plan has been revised to
eliminate all the Ash trees that were destroyed by the Emerald
Ash Borer. The new submitted landscape plan shows the
existing conditions of the site. The main difference between the
new proposed plan and the original approved plan is the
elimination of all the trees in the parking lot islands. The
petitioner explained that when the trees were removed they
were cul below grade, filled in with dirt, and then the area was
covered with stones. The 50 foot wide greenbelt along the
southern property line that screens this site from the adjacent
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residential homes, as well as the other landscaping of the site,
would remain as approved. That is the extent of the proposal.
Mr. Walsh: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: No, there is not.
Mr. Walsh: Are there any questions for the staff? Seeing none, we will go
to the petitioner. If you could please come forward. Good
evening.
Kris Sibert, James Blain Associates, 39209 W. Six Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan
48152. Good evening.
Mr. Walsh: Is there anything you'd like to add to the staffs presentation
thus far?
Ms. Sibert: Well, yes. We did major improvements to this site in '07 in
upwards of $50,000. We installed over 665 species of plant life,
trees, shrubs, ground cover, perennials, to improve this site. On
the berm you can see we did replace three Austrian pines.
They were all eight feel high; one of them was dying. And then
around the dumpster enclosure, we also installed three
arborlivae that were eight feet tall. So we've done a
considerable amount of work to this site.
Mr. Walsh: Thank you. Are there any questions for the petitioner? It's a
pretty straightforward request. Thank you for coming in. We
appreciate it. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to
speak for or against this petition? Seeing no one coming
forward, a motion would be in order.
On a motion by LaPine, seconded by Varloogian, and unanimously adopted, It
was
#03-23-2008 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
approve Petition 85-03-08-03 submitted by James Blain
Associates requesting to modify the landscape plan, which
previously received approval in connection with the Cambridge
Office Center, a high-rise office building at 38777 Six Mile Road,
located on the south side of Six Mile Road between Haggerty
Road and the I-275/96 Expressway in the Northwest I/ of
Section 18, subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Landscape Plan marked Sheet No. A-1 dated
November 14, 2007, as revised, prepared by James Blain
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
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2. That all other conditions imposed by Council Resolution
Council Resolution #1154-87, which granted approval to
construct a higlrnse office building, shall remain in effect to
the extent that they are not in conflict with the foregoing
condition.
Mr. Walsh: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Morrow: I just like to make a comment. For the record I'd like to note that
Mr. Blain does take very good care of his properly, and I'm sure
this request is done for the right reasons. For that, I will be
supporting the motion.
Mr. Walsh, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving
resolution.
ITEM#3 PETITION 2008-01-08-03 DESIGNERS GROUP
Ms. McDermott, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda,
Petition 2008-01-08-03 submitted by Designers Group Inc.
requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the
Zoning Ordinance in connection with a proposal to construct a
multi -tenant commercial building on properties located at 27420,
27434 & 27458 Joy Road, on the north side of Joy Road
between Inkster Road and Cardwell Avenue in the Southeast %
of Section 36.
Mrs. McDermott Do we need to remove it from the table?
Mr. Walsh: Yes, we do. This item was tabled. We will need a motion to
remove it from the table first.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Morrow, and unanimously adopted, it was
#03-24-2008 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
remove from the table Petition 2008-01-08-03 submitted by
Designers Group Inc. requesting approval of all plans required
by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with a
proposal to construct a multi -tenant commercial building on
properties located at 27420, 27434 & 27458 Joy Road, on the
north side of Joy Road between Inkster Road and Cardwell
Avenue in the Southeast % of Section 36.
Mr. Walsh, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
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Mr. Miller:
On March 14, 2008, new revised plans were submitted. The
Fire Department has been sent a copy of the new plans.
According to the petitioner, these new plans meet all the
concerns of the Fire Department. Some of the changes include
the downsizing of the building from 11,275 square feet to 11,032
square feet. The plans show 44 spaces striped and available
with 28 parking spaces landbanked to the north of the building.
A fire lane has been installed along the west elevation of the
building. The enclosed dumpster area has been relocated to
allow a row of continuous parking spaces behind the building A
six (6') fool high prolective wall will be erected along the entire
length of properly line where this site abuts residential, which is
along the north property line and then a 100 feet along this east
section of the site. There has also been an elevation change.
Dryvit elements would not decorate the front and side
elevations. The building is still brick with the block along the
base and the rear elevation would be block. That's the extent of
the proposal.
Mr. Walsh:
Mr. Taormina, is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina:
We have one letter that updates the report by the Livonia Fire
and Rescue Division, dated March 6, 2008, which reads as
follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in
connection with a request to construct a retail strip center on
property located at the above -referenced address. All
objections have been addressed, and we have no further
stipulations to this proposal." The letter is signed by Donald F.
Donnelley, Fire Marshal. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any questions for the staff?
Mr. Morrow:
I have a question for Mr. Miller. How many parking spaces
actually exist on this site now? How does that compare to the
ordinance requirement?
Mr. Miller:
There are 44 spaces available. They are required to have 72
spaces.
Mr. Morrow:
In other words, they do have sufficient parking if they remove
spaces for the landbank to the north.
Mr. Miller:
Yes, theywould havejustthe right amount of parking.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you.
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Mr. Walsh: Any additional questions? Okay. Seeing none, we will go the
petitioner.
Ali Raichouni, Designers Group Inc., 7555 Greenfield, Detroit, Michigan 48228.
I'm representing the developer, Mike Katbey. As far as our
changes, the biggest change was recommended by the
Planning Department to turn that parking on the north side into a
landbank, and if we ever need additional parking because of the
tenants, depending on what sort of tenants we're going to have
in there, if we did need them, then we develop that north parking
lot little by little. So that was suggested by the Planning
Department, and we have no objections to that. We're hoping
that the 44 parking spaces that we do have will be enough for
the customers that are going to be using this building. As far as
the dumpsters, I moved them into an orientation so it's even
easier for the trucks to come in and out. As far as the Fire
Department, we addressed the Fire Department. We addressed
all other issues that had to do with the Building Department, the
Fire Department, the Police and all other departmental reviews.
The other thing that I took some time in doing was redesigning
the front elevation and the sides. As you can see, the front
elevation now reflects a gray split face block about 2 feel 4
inches from the bottom, just for heavy traffic. It will withstand a
lot of weather and traffic and all that, so it doesn't deteriorate at
the bottom. I do a lot of the buildings like that and I think it looks
a lot nicer aesthetically and for the future so the building looks
like it held up in good condition. Above that split face block,
there is a four -inch limestone sill. You can probably see it in the
elevations more. That carries all the way across, and then on
lop of the limestone sill is a red brick. We do have some
samples. I'll bring it in a minute. That carries all the way toward
the lop, and then there's some dryvil design on the two ends of
the building. Some awnings that were suggested, but we could
always carry on the awnings on even more tenant space if the
tenants would like. We could even add gooseneck lighting and
things like that, but I didn't want to go overboard until the
developer gives me a green light on those kinds of things. What
else did I do to that building? As far as that's concerned, I tried
to decorate it as much as possible to look aesthetically nicer.
It's a higher building. It was 154" before. I think the max height
now on the left side is probably 26 feet. So it's a larger building,
a higher building, and I think it will look a lot nicer for that area.
If you have any questions, I can address the issues for you.
Mr. Walsh: Are there any questions for the petitioner?
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Mr. Wilshaw:
I see the architect was kind enough to bring a sample of the
bricks. This is going to be the actual brick that is going to be
used?
Mr. Raichouni:
Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Is that the only material sample that you have?
Mr. Raichouni:
That's the only one. I told him to bring them in, and that's the
only one he has right now.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Great.
Mr. Raichouni:
But its going to be a gray split face block. It looks almost like
limestone, but it's like a lock base on the front. The limestone
that looks nice is the sill, and then the brick will look like that.
Toward the middle of that stucco in the center of the building,
we'll have a decorafive one fool crown that's made out ofdryvil.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. I appreciate you explaining that in detail to me. Thank
you.
Mr. Raichouni:
No problem.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any additional questions?
Ms. Varloogian:
With the taller face of the building, is that going to be sufficient
to cover the mechanical equipment or are you going to shield
that in a different way?
Mr. Raichouni:
Yes. I have the dimensions on the elevation also, but we have
a three-foot parapet, three feet, two inches to be exact, that
carries all the way across and then on the right side, you have
an extra foot. So it will be four foot where that arch lakes place
and on the left side where that arch takes place, you'll have an
extra two feet.
Ms. Varloogian:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Raichouni:
So you have almost 3 to 5 feel of parapet all the way along.
And then on the back, in order to address the back, the sides
will also .... it's going to be a flat building, so we could carry
that all the way around.
Ms. Varloogian:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Raichouni:
Its going to be flat roof. That's what I meant.
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Mr. Morrow:
I'm just curious. On the west end of your building, you have
awnings and you have very similar architecture that's on the
east side. I was wondering if you consciously Teff those awnings
off to kind of keep it out of balance.
Mr. Raichouni:
The dryvil on the east side?
Mr. Morrow:
The awnings I'm talking about.
Mr. Raichouni:
Oh, the awnings. You know, we could carry it all the way across
but the thing is, if you design something a little asymmetrical
these days, people tend to take it as various kinds of buildings,
and it looks a little more appealing for some people instead of
symmetry, and some people like symmetry, but I tried an
asymmetrical.
Mr. Morrow:
Well, just as one commissioner, I may not be asymmetrical, and
I think we're looking for some relief on the building as opposed
to just flat across. You're the architect. I'm just saying, as one
commissioner, I like the awnings. Thank you.
Mr. Walsh:
Are there any additional questions or comments? Seeing none,
thank you, sir. We appreciate you being here tonight.
Mr. Raichouni:
The civil engineer is here if you want to ask him any questions
on how they designed the catch basins and all the storm water,
how it will be detained on site.
Mr. Walsh:
Thank you.
Mr. Taormina:
I have a comment if Scott could go back to the site plan.
Regarding the parking, the plan still has to show the full 72
parking spaces in order to be compliant. So one of the things
that would have to occur is that the plan would have to be
modified to show all the parking spaces and those that would be
reserved for future use or Iandbanked. The ordinance specifies
that the Planning Commission and City Council can authorize
the Iandbanking of no more than 25 percent of the total parking.
That would equate to 18 parking spaces. So this plan would still
have to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals inasmuch as the
width of the aisleway that was shown providing access to the
reserved parking did not comply with the ordinance. It's
required to be 22 feel and he was showing 20 feet on the
original plan. So that has not changed and would still require a
variance. An additional variance would be needed if he wanted
to Iandbark 28 parking spaces as opposed to the limit of 18
spaces, or he would have to add an additional 10 spaces onto
this plan, at least in terms of what he would initially build out.
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So if there is any concern regarding the amount of parking for
the site, at least in order to be approved by Council and
Planning, he would have to add 10 more spaces. How that
would be done I'm not sure, probably one side or the other of
the proposed dumpsler is how that would be accommodated or
he would just go to the Zoning Board of Appeals and try to get
that additional variance for the 10 spaces.
Mr. Walsh: Thank you. Any questions or comments?
Mr. Wilshaw: Based on your comments, Mark, I'm starling to think about this
landbanked parking area and the fad that there is a dumpster
enclosure essentially right in the front of what's going to be area
where there could potentially be parking spaces added.
Obviously, if they were to add parking spaces, that would
require that they move the dumpster out of the way. Is that
typical for us to see? It seems unusual to me to have a fairly
permanent structure in front of a landbanked parking area.
Mr. Taormina:
That would be very uncharacteristic. He would probably have to
reconfigure that dumpsler pad somewhat in order to provide an
adequate aisleway or maneuvering isle for the additional
parking spaces, which I'm going to guess would be 90 degree
parking somewhere along that northwest corner of the property.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Walsh:
Sir, did you want to address something?
Mr. Raichouni:
I guess the only thing I want to say is that we could add as
many parking spaces as required and reconfigure the
dumpsters the way they were before and just add the parking
spaces and then stop in order to acquire 18 parking spaces.
We could always add that on there. At the same time, I was to
the understanding that we didn't have to go to the zoning right
now unless we do develop that area in the back. We're just
trying to ... well, if it gets approved tonight also, you know, with
your recommendation, but we just want to move forward with
this project. If we recalculate the parking issue, because we
have maybe three tenants that usually want office spaces in
these plazas, and those require less parking. We went to the
maximum for 125 square feet for parking spaces. If we
multiplied it by 150 per parking spaces and took into
consideration some of the back areas, I'm not sure if they let me
do it Livonia, but in other cities, we take out 20 percent. If we
took out 20 percent and divided that by 150, we would need a
lot less parking spaces than the 71 that's required and we had
72. So we're really one parking spot ahead on 125 with the
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calculation that the City of Livonia wants. So we do have a lot
of parking for this building that is not going to be used at all
limes unless it's a success and some business goes in there
and a lot of people are using that business on a daily basis and
fill up the parking spaces. But I think its more so ... I think its
in and out kinds of businesses that are in there. Cell phone,
pharmacy and then whatever else he's going to have, office
spaces, taxes and accountants, which I see in some of his other
plazas. Those are the businesses that he's going to have in
there most of the time. Now I can't say that he might have a
carry out restaurant here and there, maybe a full restaurant.
But if he does do that, then he would need to develop that in the
back. But right now, he's just looking for retail and office.
Mr. Walsh:
All right. Thank you. Are there any additional comments?
There is no one in the audience to address this item.
Mr. Taormina:
Getting back to the issue of parking, being that this is a plaza
containing more than four businesses or tenants, it has to be
calculated in one of two ways: either at a ratio of one parking
space for every 150 square feet of useable floor area or one
parking space for every 125 square feel of useable floor area.
The difference between the two is, with the 150 square fool
calculation, he's limited to the amount of restaurants he can put
inside this plaza. That limitation would be the equivalent of 15
percent of the gross floor area, so about 1,700 square feel. So
he'd only be entitled to one restaurant with customer seating,
but not including strictly carryout if he wanted to utilize the 1 to
150 and stay with this amount of parking. I understand from a
practical standpoint there's probably more parking than may be
needed if he has to breakdown as he's indicating, but that's
something that still may have to go to the Zoning Board of
Appeals depending on the final design. The other option again,
is just to push that dumpster back and add the 10 parking
spaces. I suspect that is what they would do, but I dont know
that it eliminates the need to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Remember, we have to approve a plan that would ultimately be
developed or may be developed, and that would be with the full
parking to comply under the ordinance, and if it doesn't comply
in all respects, it would have to go to the Zoning Board of
Appeals.
Mr. Walsh:
Okay. Thank you. There being nobody in the audience other
than the petitioner, in the absence of any additional questions or
comments, then a motion would be in order.
Mr. Wilshaw:
I appreciate the work of the architect to come back to this
meeting and provide us additional site plan renderings and
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accommodate some of the requests that the Fire Department
had in regard to their concerns with this site. That being said, I
look al this new rendering, even the old one, and I have difficulty
warming up to the basic aesthetics of it. It is asymmetrical. I
suppose there is purpose for that in some places and this is just
my opinion, but this is not exciting me in any way. With that, I
almost wonder do we really need this type of development in
this area. This is a corner of our city, the southeast corner of
our city at Joy and Inkster, and an area that is important to us
because this is the entrance to the city. There's a lot of other
property near this development that will remain undeveloped as
a result of this particular petition and will make it, I think, more
difficult for those other properties to be developed in a way that I
think we envision. There are issues of parking. There are other
concerns with this site. Because of that, at this point, I'm going
to offer a denying resolution.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by LaPine, and unanimously adopted, it was
#03-25-2008 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2008-01-08-03
submitted by Designers Group Inc. requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in
connection with a proposal to construct a multi -tenant
commercial building on properties located at 27420, 27434 &
27458 Joy Road, on the north side of Joy Road between Inkster
Road and Cardwell Avenue in the Southeast % of Section 36,
be denied for following reasons:
1. That the petitioner has failed to comply with all general
standards and requirements as set forth in Sections 18.58
and 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance;
2. That the layout of the proposed development would have a
detrimental effect upon the neighboring properties;
3. That the proposal creates significant adverse impacts on
adjoining parcels, public services, and community planning
efforts;
4. With this location being in close proximity to the
intersection of Joy Road and Inkster Road, which is one of
the influential focal entranceways into the City, the
proposed commercial development would not convey the
aesthetic quality and appeal of the neighborhood or the
City as a whole;
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5. That part of the subject commercial site is inconsistent with
the Future Land Use Plan, showing a designation of
Medium Density Residential; and,
6. That the petitioner has failed to comply with all the
concerns deemed necessary for the safety and welfare of
the City and its residents.
Mr. Wilshaw:
With that petition, I certainly commend the architect and the
proposed landowner for making an honest effort at
accommodating our requests.
Mr. Walsh:
Thank you, Mr. Wilshaw. Is there support? There is support by
Mr. LaPine. Is there any discussion?
Mr. LaPine:
Mr. Wilshaw probably said everything I want to say. I've said
from the beginning I wasn't in favor of itis. I don't think we
really need any more strip malls in the city al this time. If he mel
all the requirements of the ordinance, there is no way we could
slop him, but there's land available here. My vision of this area
is they have the vacant gas station at the corner, there's vacant
land directly behind it, and four lots, small lots along Inkster
Road, with older homes. I envision somebody could buy up this
whole area and put in low density residential just like they did to
the north of this piece of property. I think that's what we need
more than anything else. We don't need any more strip malls.
As Mr. Wilshaw pointed out, this is an entrance to our city and
I'd like to see some nice development there, even if we had to
go partly residential with a small shopping mall here at the time
they build the residential. I think that's more practical than what
has been proposed here tonight. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Morrow:
Just to kind of give my sentiment. When it first hit us, I was
pleased that we would come up with something that would be
new building down there as a gateway to Livonia from that
particular direction. But I have to concur with my colleagues
that I'm just not sure that this is the one we're looking for. So I
just wanted to add that.
Mr. Walsh, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with a denying resolution.
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ITEM#4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 9591h Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Ms. McDermott, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda,
Approval of the Minutes of the 959" Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held on March 4, 2008.
On a motion by LaPine, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was
#03-26-2008 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 959" Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on March 4,
2008, are hereby approved.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
LaPine, Wilshaw, Morrow, Varloogian, McDermott,
Walsh
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
Smiley
ABSTAIN:
None
Mr. Walsh, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 960" Regular
Meeting held on March 18, 2008, was adjourned at 8:54 p.m.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
Deborah McDermott
Acting Secretary
ATTEST:
John Walsh, Chairman