HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1995-08-29 14375
MINUTES OF THE 710th REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
On Tuesday, August 29, 1995, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 710th Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive,
Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Jack Engebretson, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
Members present: Jack Engebretson William LaPine Robert Alanskas
James C. McCann R. Lee Morrow Patricia Blomberg
Members absent: Daniel Piercecchi
Messrs. John J. Nagy, Planning Director; H. G. Shane, Assistant Planning Director;
and Scott Miller, Planner I, were also present.
Mr. Engebretson informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the
City Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and decide the
question. If a petition involves a waiver of use request and the request is
denied, the petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision to the City
Council; otherwise the petition is terminated. The Planning Commission holds the
only public hearing on a preliminary plat and/or a vacating petition. Planning
Commission resolutions become effective seven days after the resolutions are
adopted. The Planning Commission has reviewed the petitions upon their filing and
have been furnished by the staff with approving and denying resolutions. The
Commission may use them or not use them depending upon the outcome of the hearing
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Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda is a motion by the
City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council Resolution #376-95, to
hold a public hearing on the question of whether a possible amendment
to Section 2.10(4) of the Zoning Ordinance shall be made to increase
the square footage of detached garages to 900 square feet without
accessory building, with a limit of vehicle openings to three, with
the provisions regarding attached garages and lot coverage percent
(including front yards, side yards and rear yards) to remain as is.
Mr. Engebretson: I think that is self explaining. I am looking for a motion to
set a public hearing.
On a motion duly made by Mr. LaPine, seconded by Mr. McCann and unanimously
approved, it was
#8-172-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council
Resolution #376-95, does hereby establish and order that a public
hearing be held to determine whether or not to amend Section 2.10 of
the Zoning Ordinance so as to increase the size of detached garages on
lots 1/2 acre or more in area.
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FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing shall be given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended.
Mr. Engehretson, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is a motion by the
City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council Resolution #377-95, to
hold a public hearing on the question of whether a possible amendment
to Section 18.50A(16) of the Zoning Ordinance shall be made to allow
two signs for a corner business fronting two thoroughfares, provided
that the combined square footage for the two signs shall not exceed
the allowable square footage for a business fronting one major
thoroughfare.
Mr. Engebretson: This is also self explaining. I am looking for a motion to set a
public hearing.
On a motion duly made by Mr. rapine, seconded by Mrs. Blomberg and unanimously
approved, it was
#8-173-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council
Resolution #377-95, does hereby establish and order that a public
hearing be held to determine whether or not to amend Section 18.50H of
the Zoning Ordinance with respect to commercial wall signs on corner
lots.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing shall be given in
W. accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended.
Mr. Engebretson, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is a motion by the
City Planning Commission to hold a public hearing on a proposed
amendment to the Zoning Ordinance relative to the control of political
signs.
Mr. Engebretson: We won't have to discuss this one because this is our own motion
to hold a public hearing. Would anyone like to make that motion?
On a motion duly made by Mr. LaPine, seconded by Mr. Alanskas and unanimously
approved, it was
#8-174-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby establish and
order that a public hearing be held to determine whether or not to
amend Section 18.50D of the Zoning Ordinance regarding political
signs.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing shall be given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended.
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Mr. Engebretson, Chairman, declared the notion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition
95-8-8-20 by Albert Kahn Associates, Inc. , on behalf of St. Mary
Hospital, requesting approval for all plans required by Section 18.58
of Zoning Ordinance #543 in connection with a proposal to construct a
child care center on property located at 36475 Five Mile Road in the
Northwest 1/4 of Section 20.
Mr. Miller: This is St. Mary's Hospital. They are proposing to construct a
one-story, 17,000 sq. ft. , child care center and a parking lot
for that facility. The child care center would also have a 5,000
sq. ft. outdoor play area for the children. These two things are
deficient with the zoning. The zoning for the St. Mary's
Hospital site is PO-I, which requires the building to be
constructed to be at least two stories but not over six, and the
play area for this size facility, the ordinance would require
22,500 sq. ft. The play area is only 5,000 sq. ft. Because of
those deficiencies, they had to go to the Zoning Board first to
get a variance before being presented to you, which they have
done, so they have a variance for deficient building stories and
deficient play area space. Parking for the child care center,
they are required to have 23 parking spaces, and the parking
shows 98 parking spaces so they are over for the parking for the
child care center. The building elevations show that the
building will be constructed out of brick with an asphalt shingle
type of roof with glass topping roof.
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Mr. Nagy: We have received a letter from the Engineering Department stating
they have no objections to this site plan proposal. They state
they will require that the new parking lot drainage be detained
and restricted to an agricultural runoff to the Bakewell Drain.
The Fire Marshal , in his report, indicates that they have
reviewed the site plan submitted and they have no objection to
this proposal. Lastly, we have received a letter from the
Inspection Department stating these plans conform to the variance
granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals. They further indicate
Section 9.03(j) requires that a fence at least 5 feet high
encompass the entire play area. The plans as submitted do not
indicate that this fence has been provided.
Mr. Engebretson: Do I understand Mr. Nagy that the fence was not indicated on the
drawings?
Mr. Nagy: Yes.
Mr. EngPhretson: We will go to the petitioner and let him make whatever comments
he feels are appropriate.
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Mike Giovanni, 28216 Golf Point Blvd. , Farmington Hills: I am an architect with
Albert Kahn Associates. Scott Miller did a very fine job of
presenting this. I would like to add that we have shown the
fence in question graphically but we haven't called it out
verbally but we would have every intent in meeting the City
requirements for that five-foot high fence. In addition to that,
we have taken great care in designing the building to fit into
the contextual environment of St. Mary's Hospital looking at the
brick, which is the same brick type and color that is on the
chapel and the surrounding hospital. We have the slope shingles
roof that matches some of the other slope shingled roof
facilities on the site.
Mr. Morrow: Does the day care facility for the children currently exist
somewhere on the grounds?
Mr. Giovanni: Yes. In the Marian Professional Building on the first floor
there is basically a 5,000 sq. ft. facility for 75 students or
children.
Mr. Morrow: So in fact what you are doing, you are taking it from inside the
professional building and moving it outside. So you currently
have the use, and you are just moving to a separate building?
Mr. Giovanni: Exactly. The new facility will provide for 150 children ranging
from newborn infants to up to a latchkey program for kindergarten.
Mr. Morrow: So you are expanding it but the use does exist on site?
Mr. Giovanni: That is right.
Mr. Alanskas: Haw many feet is the play area from the hospital where the
patients are?
Mr. Giovanni: The new building or the existing facility?
Mr. Alanskas: The existing facility.
Mr. Giovanni: The playground is right outside the Marian Medical Office
Building, and that is about 20 feet away.
Mr. Alanskas: I am trying to figure if there are 150 children out there, how
noisy it will be for those in the hospital.
Jim Kerzic, 6851 Castle Drive, Bloomfield Hills: I am with St. Mary's Hospital.
The day care center is on the west side of the hospital, and I
would say to a patient LUUM it is probably at least 100 feet,
keeping in mind that the power house and the chapel are between
the day care center.
Mr. Alanskas: Noise is not going to be a factor at all?
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Mr. Kerzic: No. You wouldn't have 150 kids at one time. They stage them out
there.
Mr. TaPine: Haw many children will we have in this day care center?
'Ime. Mr. Giovanni: 150 children.
Mr. LaPine: Are these children coming here from people that work in the
hospital or do you take outsiders?
Mr. Giovanni: It is for St. Mary's Hospital employccs only.
Mr. TaPine: Just for employees only?
Mr. Giovanni: Right.
Mr. LaPine: The next question I have, you are going to provide 5,000 sq. ft.
for the children's play area. Is that correct?
Mr. Giovanni: That is right.
Mr. LaPine: I see on the Zoning Board of Appeal's letter, they say "The Board
finds that the existing fenced-in play area of 2,400 square feet
provides ample space for the children;". Which is correct, the
2,400 that the Zoning Board granted or the 5,000 square feet that
they are asking for now?
Mr. Engebretson: It exceeds what the Zoning Board allowed. They have extra
parking too.
Mr. LaPine: What is the building constructed of?
Mr. Giovanni: It is a wood stud and brick veneer. It is similar to a house
construction with 2x6 wood studs and then a brick veneer attached
to that.
Mr. LaPine: It will be brick on all four sides?
Mr. Giovanni: Exactly.
Mr. LaPine: This top portion is just for lighting to get into the facility?
Mr. Giovanni: Yes. We refer to that as a clear story. It is high glass and
that is central common space.
Mrs. Blomberg: I would like to ask Mr. Kerzic a question. When you were at the
podium you mentioned that the children would be in stages. I am
assuming that you mean there will be a group of them, then
another group of them at another time. They will not all be out
there at the same time. Is that correct?
Mr. Kerzic: That is correct.
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Mrs. Blomberg: Therefore the larger play area would not be necessary?
Mr. Kerciz: Yes.
Mr. Engebretson: I have one more question regarding the play area, not that I have
any difficulty with what is being proposed. I am just curious
about how large the play area is that you have with the existing
facility in the Marian Professional Building.
Mr. Giovanni: It is 2,400 sq. ft.
Mr. Engebretson: So basically you are doubling the number of children, you are
doubling the amount of play area, and as a frequent observer of
that area, I can tell you that I have never seen it even approach
being saturated. In fact, it would accommodate a great many more
children. Our staff did check with the State Department of
Social Services relative to the state requirements which you had
made reference to last time, and we discovered that they require
1200 sq. ft. , so you are four times that. Even though you have
not met the City's Zoning Ordinance to the letter, you have a
variance which means that you are complying, and you are well
above the state guidelines. That, combined with the fact that
the current use would indicate that it is more than adequate,
leaves me with only one last concern and that is before you take
this on to what we refer to as the "really big show", and that is
the City Council, you would probably be well advised to address
that fence both verbally and graphically so that there is no
question as to what your intentions are. I think if you do that,
you have a home run.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Blomberg, seconded by Mr. McCann and unanimously
approved, it was
#8-175-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to
the City Council that Petition 95-8-8-20 by Albert Kahn Associates,
Inc., on behalf of St. Mary Hospital, requesting approval for all
plans required by Section 18.58 of Zoning Ordinance #543 in connection
with a proposal to construct a child care center on property located
at 36475 Five Mile Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 20, be
approved subject to the following conditions:
1) That the Site Plan marked Sheet C-1 dated 8/22/95 prepared by
Albert Kahn Associates, Inc. , is hereby approved and shall be
adhered to;
2) That the new parking spaces for the child care center as sham on
the approved Site Plan shall be double striped;
3) That the Elevation Plan received by the Planning Commission on
August 22, 1995 prepared by Albert Kahn Associates, Inc. is
hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
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4) That a fence at least 5 ft. high shall encompass the entire
outdoor play area as required in Section 9.03(J) of Zoning
Ordinance #543;
fir.' 5) That the Landscape Plan marked Sheet C-i dated 8/22/95, received
by the Planning Department 8/29/95, prepared by Albert Kahn
Associates, Inc. , is hereby approved and shall be adhered to.
Mr. Engebretson: Apparently we don't have any landscaping other than existing
landscaping there. We really didn't look into that this evening.
Is the staff satisfied?
Mr. Nagy: We can review it if you would like.
Mr. Engebretson: Why don't we take the time to review it. It is not going to
change anything but just so we have done our total job here.
Scott would you put that board up.
Mr. Miller presented the landscape plan to the Commission.
Mr. Engebretson, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Subdivision
Entrance Marker and Landscape Greenbelt proposed for Caliburn Manor
Subdivisions 2 & 3 proposed to be located on the west side of Newburgh
between Seven Mile Road and Laurel Park Drive in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 7.
'`. Mr. Miller: This subdivision has an entrance off Seven Mile Road and there is
also an entrance off Newburgh Road. The one off Seven Mile Road
is shown here. They have a 30 foot wide greenbelt on both sides
of the entrance, and they also have a boulevard, a landscaped
area, in the middle. In that area they are proposing a ground
sign, a monument sign that will match the existing one for
Caliburn Manor #1, so it is the exact same sign that has been
approved for Caliburn Manor #1. This entrance already exists and
it is more or less for Caliburn Manor #1. South of that, along
Newburgh Road, they are proposing a 30 foot wide greenbelt area,
which will be landscaped.
Mr. Engebretson: Last week at our study meeting we reviewed this in some detail
and discovered all the points that Mr. Miller just summarized,
and it was the consensus of the Planning Commission that it was
not necessary for the petitioner to appear here tonight.
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Chairman I would offer an approving resolution, but I did
have one comment that the petitioner did indicate that the sign
would go in immediately as opposed to one of the last things that
they do. So we can look forward to having that done and the
landscaping prior to construction.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mr. LaPine and unanimously
approved, it was
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#8-176-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to
the City Council that Subdivision Entrance Marker and Landscape
Greenbelt proposed for Caliburn Manor Subdivisions 2 & 3 proposed to
be located on the west side of Newburgh Road between Seven Mile Road
'` and Laurel Park Drive in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 7 be approved
subject to the following conditions:
1) That the Landscape Plan dated 7/11/95 prepared by Calvin Hall &
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2) That all lawn and landscaped areas are to be fully irrigated with
automatic underground sprinkler systems;
3) That the ground sign shown on the approved plan is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to.
Mr. LaPine: Is the color of the sign exactly the same as the one that is
there now?
Mr. Miller: Yes.
Mr. Engebretson, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Alanskas, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Subdivision
Entrance Marker and Landscape Greenbelt proposed for Caliburn Estates
Subdivisions 2 & 3 proposed to be located on the east side of Newburgh
between Seven Mile Road and Vargo Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 8.
Mr. Miller This subdivision is across the street on the east side of
Newburgh Road. It fronts along Newburgh. They are proposing a
30 foot wide greenbelt to be constructed along Newburgh. They
have two entrances. The north entrance has a boulevard entrance
with a landscaped area. They are proposing a ground sign there
that would match the Caliburn Estates #1, which is north of this
or the same as the one across the street basically. So it is the
same signage as Caliburn Estates #1.
Mr. Morrow: I will make a motion with the same comments and the same
recommendation as on the prior one.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mrs. Blomberg and unanimously
approved, it was
#8-177-95 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to
the City Council that Subdivision Entrance Marker and Landscape
Greenbelt proposed for Caliburn Estates Subdivisions 2 & 3 proposed to
be located on the east side of Newburgh between Seven Mile Road and
Vargo Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 8, be approved subject to
the following conditions:
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1) That the Landscape Plan dated 7/11/95 prepared by Calvin Hall &
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2) That all lawn and landscaped areas are to be fully irrigated with
*"„► automatic underground sprinkler systems;
3) That the ground sign shown on the approved plan is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to.
Mr. Engebretson, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
rrolution adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 710th Regular Meeting
held on August 29, 1995 was adjourned at 7:52 p.m.
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