HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2015-12-15 MINUTES OF THE 1,080TH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, December 15, 2015, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia held its 1,080th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City
Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: Kathleen McIntyre R. Lee Morrow Carol A. Smiley
Ian Wilshaw Scott Bahr (7:50 p.m.)
Members absent: Gerald Taylor
Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, Mr. Michael Fisher, Chief Assistant City
Attorney, and Ms. Margie Watson, Program Supervisor, were also present.
Chairman Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the
City Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If
a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective
seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the
professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The
staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions,
which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the
proceedings tonight.
Mr. Morrow had two additional announcements. This is the last time Kathleen
McIntyre and Scott Bahr will sit with us on the Planning Commission. The next
time you see them they will be seated with the City Council, and Kathleen
McIntyre will assume the duties of President of the Council. Secondly,
Commissioner Bahr is attending an event in honor of his father's retirement and
is thus unable to be with us for the start of tonight's meeting. He intends to join
us partway through the meeting.
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ITEM #1 PETITION 2015-10-02-23 PANERA BREAD
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2015-10-
02-23 submitted by Panera Bread, L.L.C. seeking waiver use
approval pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City of Livonia
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to add a drive-up window
facility to an existing full service restaurant (Panera Bread) at
28551 Schoolcraft Road within the Millennium Park retail center,
located on the south side of Schoolcraft Road between
Middlebelt Road and Inkster Road in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 25.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to add a drive-up window facility at an existing
Panera Bread restaurant located at Millennium Park. In 2000,
the City granted waiver use approval to construct and operate
this full service restaurant. Panera occupies a 4,200 square foot
unit which is at the north end of a multi-tenant retail building that
is located just north of the Home Depot and south of Schoolcraft
Road. The maximum seating capacity of the restaurant was
approved at 156, and this includes 129 interior seats as well as
27 outside patio seats. Other tenants that are within this retail
complex include Leo's Coney Island, a Wing Stop restaurant,
Weight Watchers as well as a Great Clips. The proposal to add
the drive-up window will be on the north side of the restaurant
where there is an existing aisleway between the building and
Schoolcraft Road. The traffic lane serving the drive-up would
commence on the east side, which is the rear of this building,
and then loop around to the north side. In order to facilitate the
drive-up operation, a small addition would be constructed to the
building. This addition is about 350 square feet and it would be
located on the north side of the restaurant. The addition
includes a kitchen that would be used primarily for preparing
and delivering the drive-up orders. Creating the drive-thru lane
behind the building will require relocating the existing dumpsters
to the other side of the parking lot. The drive-up lane would be
offset about 16 feet off the back wall of the building, and the
unused section of pavement would be cross-hatched to help
direct traffic flow. There is some landscaping that is presently
located on the north side of the building that would be removed
to accommodate the turning radius and provide an area for the
menu board and ordering station. The plan does show sufficient
stacking room in the traffic lane serving the drive-up, and the
existing drive aisle would serve as a bypass lane. The existing
parking spaces along the east side of the property would be
restriped in a diagonal pattern. Currently, the spaces are at a 90
degree angle offset from the drive aisle. The reconfigured
parking arrangement would reduce the number of parking
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spaces by approximately seven. However, the overall parking is
adequate to meet the needs of the restaurant as well as the
shopping center. The addition would be constructed out of
materials that would complement and match the existing
building. These include primarily brick, split-face block and
E.I.F.S. Some additional changes to the plan that we looked at
in the study session include relocation of the dumpsters,
additional landscaping, screening of the dumpster areas, as well
as the addition of four parallel parking spaces that would
provide patrons of the drive-up whose orders are delayed an
opportunity to park and wait for those orders to be sent to the
vehicles. With that, Mr. Chairman, I'll answer any questions or
I'll go to the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Let's read the correspondence first.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated October 29, 2015, which reads
as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced petition. We have
no objections to the proposed project at this time. There was no
legal description included with the petition or submission, so we
have attached a description that should be used for the subject
parcel. The parcel address of#13100 Middlebelt Road contains
a number of address ranges for the individual buildings and
plazas. The Address range for the subject plaza is #28511 to
#28551 Schoolcraft Road with an address of #28551
Schoolcraft Road assigned to the existing Panera Bread
restaurant. The existing building is currently serviced by public
utilities which are not indicated for alterations under the
proposed project. Should the owner need to alter the existing
service leads to the building, plans will need to be submitted to
this department to determine if Engineering permits will be
required."The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant
City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire &
Rescue Division, dated November 3, 2015, which reads as
follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in
connection with a request to add a drive-up window facility to an
existing full service restaurant on property located at the above
referenced address. We have no objections to this proposal with
the following stipulations: (1) Fire lanes shall be marked with
post signs or wall signs on the northwest corner sidewalk or
pillars that have the words: FIRE LANE— NO PARKING painted
on both sides, in contrasting colors at a size and spacing
approved by the authority having jurisdiction. 18.2.3.5.1 NFPA
1, 2009. (2) Chapter 8 & 9, Fire Protection and Alarm Systems,
shall be followed NFPA 101, 2009. (3) These issues and other
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code requirements will be addressed during the plan review
process." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. The
third letter is from the Division of Police, dated October 29,
2015, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the plans in
connection with the petition. I have no objections to the
proposal." The letter is signed by Joseph Boitos, Sergeant,
Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection
Department, dated December 11, 2015, which reads as follows:
"Pursuant to your request, the above-referenced petition has
been reviewed. This Department has no further objections to
this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. We received an email communication on
December 11, 2015, from Donald Kleinknecht, which reads as
follows: "I'm assuming that this new drive-up window facility will
be on the north side of the existing building with drive-thru traffic
headed in a westerly direction. The City Planning Commission
may want to review this westbound drive-thru exiting into an
eastbound traffic lane. Have a good day." That is the extent of
the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Seeing none,
would the petitioner please come forward? We will need your
name and address for the record please.
Matthew Diffin, Diffin-Umlor & Associates, 53115 Grand River, New Hudson,
Michigan 48165. We are the civil engineering consultant
representing Panera Bread. If there are any questions, I'd be
happy to answer them.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anything you would like to add to the presentation?
Mr. Diffin: We've made the changes that everyone discussed. We worked
with staff. I think we worked out the few issues that we did have.
The dumpster areas, we've added a third dumpster. It's the
same area we were proposing to take out, so that shouldn't be
an issue any longer. The four pull-up parallel parking spaces, I
think that's a real added bonus. It will be more like, if you guys
have ever been to Culver's, all their spaces are like that where
they give you a number and you pull up to the parking space
and then they come out and bring your food. That will help out a
lot with big orders where they're not quite ready yet. Staff can
give them a buzzer or bring it out where they're waiting, or they
can pull back around if the buzzer goes off. I think those issues
have been worked out.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. Let's see if the Commission has any questions.
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Mr. Wilshaw: I noticed on the plan there is an indication that the disturbed
lawn area shall be hydroseeded. Typically we ask that those
areas be sodded. Is that a problem?
Mr. Diffin: That's fine. They are such small areas that's probably what they
would do anyways. We can take the hydroseed note off there.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. That's the only question I had. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or
against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming
forward, I will close the public hearing and ask for a motion.
On a motion by McIntyre, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it
was
#12-87-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on December 15, 2015,
on Petition 2015-10-02-23 submitted by Panera Bread, L.L.C.
seeking waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1)
City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to add a
drive-up window facility to an existing full service restaurant
(Panera Bread) at 28551 Schoolcraft Road within the
Millennium Park retail center, located on the south side of
Schoolcraft Road between Middlebelt Road and Inkster Road in
the Northwest 1/4 of Section 25, which property is zoned C-2,
the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 2015-10-02-23 be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the Grading/Soil Erosion Control Plan marked Sheet
No. C-2.0 prepared by Diffin-Umlor & Associates, as
received by the Planning Commission on December 10,
2015, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That pavement markings be provided across the drive aisle
and drive-up lane leading to the rear entrance on the east
side of the building for pedestrian safety purposes;
3. That the Exterior Building Elevations Plan marked Sheet
No. A-5.1 dated October 9, 2015, prepared by LK
Architecture, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
4. That the relocated dumpster enclosures shall be located
within a practical walking distance from the building and
the exact number, locations and screening shall be
approved by the Planning and Inspection Departments;
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5. That the walls of the relocated dumpster enclosures shall
be a minimum seven feet (7') in height, constructed out of
the same brick used in the construction of the building, or
in the event a poured wall is substituted, the wall's design,
texture and color shall match that of the building and the
enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel construction or
durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass and maintained
and when not in use closed at all times;
6. That two (2) parking spaces near the drive-up window shall
be designated for drive-up window customers;
7. That the issues as outlined in the correspondence dated
November 3, 2015, from the Fire Marshal, including those
relating to the requirement that the proposed addition must
conform to current NFPA 101 standards, shall be resolved
to the satisfaction of the Fire Department;
8. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
9. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows;
10. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydro-seeding;
11. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and
12. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
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Ms. McIntyre: Do we want to make the change requesting the sod in lieu of
hydroseeding as indicated on the plans?
Mr. Taormina: Yes.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. Good luck with your project.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2015-10-02-24 ACTION PAINTBALL
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
11-02-24 submitted by Action Paintball Park, L.L.C. requesting
waiver use approval pursuant to Section 16.11(f) of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to operate an
indoor recreational facility at 11845 Mayfield Avenue, located on
the west side of Mayfield Avenue between Plymouth Road and
Capitol Avenue in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 27.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to operate an indoor recreational facility within
an industrial building that is located on Mayfield Avenue just
north of Plymouth Road. This property is roughly 0.08 of an acre
in size. It includes 140 feet of frontage along Mayfield Avenue
and has an average depth of 265 feet. The zoning of the
property is M-1, Light Manufacturing. Approval to operate an
indoor recreational facility within an industrial building falls under
the provisions of Section 16.11(f) of the Zoning Ordinance.
Indoor recreational uses and athletic training facilities are
allowed in the M-1 District subject to waiver use approval. Such
uses can be allowed provided that all parking and
ingress/egress to the facility is designed so as not to interfere
with industrial traffic in the area. To the north, south and east of
this property are all industrial uses, and then to west is the
Fountain Park condominiums. That's the open space area and
storm water detention facility for that condominium complex. It's
a wooded area directly behind this property. The property
contains a 10,000 square foot industrial building. The parking lot
would be reconfigured to accommodate roughly 40 parking
spaces. The front part of the building would include the main
entrance, lobby and offices for Action Paintball. The warehouse
space in the back is the largest portion of the building and would
be used for the main paintball activities. There is a mezzanine
that overlooks the warehouse and that would accommodate a
breakroom as well as an observation deck. No exterior building
modifications are proposed in connection with this petition.
Parking for indoor recreational facilities is based on one parking
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space for each employee plus sufficient off-street space for the
safe and convenient loading and unloading of patrons of the
business. As I indicated earlier, the petitioner is proposing to
restripe this lot and provide a total of 40 parking spaces. The
groups of players are typically scheduled by appointment only.
We were told at the study meeting that typically they have about
10 players per session. So if they have an overlap between a
group coming in and a group leaving, that would roughly result
in about 20 patrons, and the parking should be adequate when
you also include the employees that are needed to operate the
facility. We can get additional information from the petitioner
regarding the needs of the parking. The layout of the building
shows the mezzanine space on the top portion of the drawing
and then the floor plan of the lower part of the building. The
petitioner did provide some examples of what the facility would
look like. This is the party room and viewing area and it shows
some of the obstacles that are provided within the main paintball
arena. With that, Mr. Chairman, I'll read out the departmental
correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Yes, please.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated November 19, 2015, which
reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the
Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced
petition. We have no objections to the proposed waiver use at
this time. The legal description included with the petition
appears to be correct, and should be used for the subject
parcel. The address of #11845 Mayfield Avenue is correct for
the parcel. The existing building is currently serviced by public
utilities which are not indicated for alterations under the
proposed waiver use. Should the owner need to alter the
existing service leads to the building, plans will need to be
submitted to this department to determine if Engineering permits
will be required." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E.,
Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia
Fire & Rescue Division, dated December 7, 2015, which reads
as follows: "We have reviewed the petition for a waiver use
approval on the property at the above referenced address and
have noted the following: (1) This proposal is a change of use
for the address in question. This requires that the location must
conform to current NFPA standards for New Assembly use. (2)
Chapter 12, New Assemblies, and Chapter 7, Means of Egress,
must be conformed to which includes Emergency Exit Signs,
Emergency Lighting, Exit Pathways, Occupant Load, and
Extinguisher Requirements. (3) Chapter 8, Fire Barriers, states
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that firewalls must be maintained and inspected to preserve
their rating. This includes any door, window, or penetrations in
this wall. We advise that no use of this facility be conducted
prior to inspections and approval of any/all NFPA codes relating
to New Assemblies. Providing that all details in regards to New
Assembly Occupancy are followed and inspected prior to tenant
use, this department has no objections to this petition." The
letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. The third letter is
from the Division of Police, November 18, 2015, which reads as
follows: "I have reviewed the plans in connection with the
petition. I have no objections to the proposal." The letter is
signed by Joseph Boitos, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth
letter is from the Inspection Department, dated December 11,
2015, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the
above-referenced petition has been reviewed. (1) The fence on
the south side of the building will need to be removed to allow
for the flow of one-way traffic around the building. (2) The
parking spaces located on the south side of the building shall be
removed or a cross-access agreement would need to be in
place between the petitioner and the property located to the
South. This Department has no further objections to this
petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Seeing none,
is the petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and
address for the record please.
James Michael, 36031 Elmira, Livonia, Michigan 48150.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anything you would like to add to the presentation?
Mr. Michael: No. He pretty much covered it all. I'm just here to answer any
questions that you might have for me.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the petitioner?
Ms. Smiley: What would your hours of operation be?
Mr. Michael: They plan on being closed Monday and Tuesday, and then
during the week when they operate, Wednesday through
Sunday, they will be closed before 8 p.m. and then anytime
playing will be happening won't happen until after 4:00 p.m.
That way the businesses around the area will be all cleared out
so we won't have a lot of traffic for cars coming through the
area.
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Ms. Smiley: I haven't had an opportunity to do paintball. Could you tell me a
little bit about it? I take it people dress up in gear and shoot
paintballs at each other.
Mr. Michael: Yes. Like the photos you had seen, pretty much what's going to
happen is when you show up, whether you own your own
equipment or if you need to rent, we provide any protective gear
that you're required to have by insurance. You'll have your
equipment as you go into the field. It will be on astroturf.
Everything will be netted off so the people playing versus the
people that are there just spectating, parents dropping off,
everything is netted to keep everything clean and organized.
The people that will be on the field, they will just enter on in
groups of five, play a game of five on five. When they're done,
they can come off and another group of people can enter the
field, play, and then they just rotate through the games.
Ms. Smiley: I assume that's a special kind of paint?
Mr. Michael: Yes. It's all made to be biodegradable. So as far as anything for
the environment, it's all easy to clean up, wash off the bunkers
and be disposed of. Nothing is toxic in any way.
Ms. Smiley: Thank you.
Ms. McIntyre: I assume, based on what you told us, you have an existing
paintball facility that you're familiar with the NFPA, the fire
protection requirements.
Mr. Michael: Yes, we've had a field for 14 years in Taylor.
Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: How are patrons supposed to find your location and know about
your business so that they know to schedule?
Mr. Michael: We've been using an online system to register for the past year.
As far as the business itself, through 14 years, as far as the
community of people that play paintball on a regular basis, we're
very well known within that. And then as far as other patrons
looking to pursue it, we have a Facebook website and other
forms of social media and that's just kind of how we've always
had the word out there.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is this normally for corporate parties and events like that, or do
you actually set up leagues?
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Mr. Michael: We've done all the above. We've had everything from kids'
birthday parties, corporate events, bachelor-bachelorette
parties. As far as leagues, we've done leagues before at our
other facility on Wednesday nights, and stuff on the weekends.
Mr. Wilshaw: And you plan on operating this business in a very similar way to
the way that the one in Taylor has operated?
Mr. Michael: Similar, yes.
Mr. Wilshaw: The one thing I will mention is that as we've had these
opportunities to take some of these warehouse properties and
industrial and manufacturing properties and turn them into
athletic facilities in some form or another like this, the struggle
that we have is often that the parking is isn't adequate for these
facilities for large groups of people. They are designed for five
or six or seven employees of a warehouse, not for 20, 30 people
to show up at any given time. This particular location is unique
in the sense that you do have adequate parking clearly. You
have good traffic flow around the building, and I think it's a good
location and a very good fit for this particular building. Thank
you.
Mr. Michael: Thank you. And as far as concerns about it filling up too quick,
the reason why we do use the online registration system is that
we can, once we fill up, that cuts off time slots. That way no one
else can come in and register for that time. So we can really
manage the amount of people we have coming and going for
the business.
Mr. Wilshaw: It sounds like you have a very well thought out business plan.
Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any other questions? Is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this
petition?
Asgeir Sigurdsson, Century Instrument Company, 11865 Mayfield, Livonia,
Michigan 48150. We own the building just to the north of this
proposed facility. I think it's a great concept. My only concern is,
it's paintball. When people get there before they go in, are they
going to use my building as target practice. Am I going to come
in every morning and there's additional spots on my building?
Mr. Morrow: I'll ask the petitioner to come back and he can respond to that.
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Mr. Sigurdsson: That was my only concern. I think it's a great concept, but I want
to protect my building as well.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. We'll keep the hearing open until we have the answer.
Sir, would you come back, please, and respond to that concern?
Mr. Michael: Generally when players come and go from any paintball facility,
most of them keep their gear that they're using. It's all like
packaged up and no one really takes their stuff out into a
parking lot. Also, a lot of people that do come and experience it
for the first time, are renting equipment and everything stays
inside there. So we're not having people walk around with paint
or equipment. Nothing will be exiting the outside of the building.
If for some reason if any mess did come, I'll come over myself
and clean it for you. I don't foresee anyone coming out and
trying to do damage to the other business because all the
playing and all the efforts of anything that's going to happen with
the paintball is going to be staying inside the building;. There is
no one coming and going with loaded equipment out that door.
Mr. Morrow: In all your years of experience, have you ever encountered that
at your Taylor facility?
Mr. Michael: No. The paint is expensive. So when they're playing, they want
to play the game. No one goes out and shoots it off in the
parking lot as far as not using it for what it's designated to be
used for. If a problem ever arises, I will be the first one to step
up and take care of it.
Mr. Morrow: I'm sure you'll be good neighbors. He's got your answer so just
be good neighbors.
Ms. McIntyre: May I ask one additional question?
Mr. Morrow: Certainly.
Ms. McIntyre: How is this priced and can you give us an idea of pricing and
how that works? You said a team can come or you can play
individually?
Mr. Michael: Yes. If you're coming by yourself, you already own your own
equipment. The price is typically around $20 unless we're
running a special promotion. And then they have different rental
packages that will come with all the rental equipment you'll need
and some paint to start playing the air for the markers and that
starts at $30.00.
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Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: is there anybody else in the audience that wishes to speak for
or against the granting of this petition? With that, I will close the
public hearing and ask for a motion.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by McIntyre, and unanimously adopted, it
was
#12-88-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on December 15, 2015,
on Petition 2015-11-02-24 submitted by Action Paintball Park,
L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section
16.11(f) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, to operate an indoor recreational facility at 11845
Mayfield Avenue, located on the west side of Mayfield Avenue
between Plymouth Road and Capitol Avenue in the Southwest
1/4 of Section 27, which property is zoned M-1, the Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 2015-11-02-24 be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1. That the Plan marked Sheet No. C-01 dated November 17,
2015, as revised, prepared by D.S. Wright & Associates,
P.C., is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be
constructed out of building materials that shall complement
that of the building and the enclosure gates shall be of
solid panel steel construction or durable, long-lasting solid
panel fiberglass and maintained, and when not in use
closed at all times;
3. That the hours of operation, parking, circulation and all
other aspects of this business shall be conducted in a
manner that the use of this facility for recreational purposes
does not conflict with nor detract from the normal
operations of the surrounding industrial properties;
4. That adequate lighting be provided in the parking areas
and walkways as determined by the Inspection
Department; and
5. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals.
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Subject to the preceding conditions, this petition is approved for
the following reasons:
1. That the proposed use is in compliance with all of the
special and general waiver use standards and
requirements as set forth in Sections 16.11 and 19.06 of
the Zoning Ordinance #543;
2. That the subject property has the capacity to accommodate
the proposed use; and
3. That the proposed use is compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
Mr. Michael: Is there any way we could get that expedited to the earliest
possible date for the Planning Commission due to our due
diligence for the agreement for the business?
Mr. Morrow: I'm going to go to the Planning Director but because I think
Council met for the last time this year last night, I don't think we
would gain any advantage.
Mr. Taormina: The advantaged gained in this particular case is that the item
could appear on the January 4 as opposed to January 11. So a
seven day waiver would give him the benefit of one week.
Mr. Morrow: But it would still be at the option of the President of the Council
whether or not it could be handled?
Mr. Taormina: That's correct. And our ability to get the material to the Council
office by Monday.
Mr. Morrow: We can give you it, but we can't determine if it will do you any
good because we're at the end of the calendar year.
Mr. Michael: Thank you very much for your time.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was
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#12-89-2015 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
determine to waive the provisions of Section 10 of Article VI of the
Planning Commission Rules of Procedure, regarding the effective
date of a resolution after the seven-day period from the date of
adoption by the Planning Commission, in connection with Petition
2015-11-02-24 submitted by Action Paintball Park, L.L.C.
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 16.11(f) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to
operate an indoor recreational facility at 11845 Mayfield
Avenue, located on the west side of Mayfield Avenue between
Plymouth Road and Capitol Avenue in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 27.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2015-11-02-25 JIMMY JOHN'S
ITEM #4 PETITION 2015-11-08-18 SHELDON CENTER
Mr. Morrow: Before I ask the Secretary to read the two next petitions, the
way we're going to handle this, is I'm going to have Mrs. Smiley
read the waiver use under the public hearing and then the
miscellaneous site plan all at one time, and the Planning
Director will present it all at one time, but then we'll vote on it
individually for each particular petition. Is that okay with you,
Mr. Taormina?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. If I can just explain this a little further. There are two
petitions related to this property this evening. The first item is a
restaurant proposal for a site that would undergo substantial
redevelopment. What I would like to do is talk about the
redevelopment of the property first, and then get into the more
specific details about the restaurant. The way the agenda is
ordered, the restaurant appears first. But for the purposes of
presentation, I'll just go through the overall development and
then provide information regarding the restaurant.
Mr. Morrow: And then we'll come back in the order it's on the agenda, but
they will have all the information by that time.
Mr. Taormina: Correct. So this is a request to renovate and expand an existing
shopping center complex that is known as Sheldon Center. The
property is 10.94 acres in size and includes 640 feet of frontage
along Plymouth and 666 feet of frontage on Farmington Road.
The zoning of the entire property is C-2, General Business. The
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site presently contains two multi-tenant retail buildings. The
main shopping center building, which faces Plymouth Road, is
about 79,000 square feet, and that is divided currently into
several large tenant spaces including a Rite Aid, Larry's
Foodland, Chris Furniture, a Dollar General and a Bingo Hall.
There is a smaller second building on the property which faces
Farmington Road and that's about 9,600 square feet in total
floor area. Looking at the site plan, the larger retail building is at
an angle on the property to Plymouth Road. The smaller
rectangular area represents the smaller retail building. Upon
completion, the rebranded name of the shopping center will be
"Shelden Park Village." The initial phase involves building a new
exterior façade on both the main shopping center building as
well as the smaller retail building along Farmington Road.
Changes involve the entire storefront elevation facing north,
plus the two side elevations, east and west on the large
building, as well the entire storefront elevation facing west and
side elevations, north and south, on the smaller building. The
design includes a symmetrical combination of façade elements
with varying heights and shapes. There is one non-symmetrical
component and that would be the grocery store, which would
contain its own unique storefront and would represent the
highest point along the façade. The critical aspect, not only to
the investment pro forma and equal to that of the facade
renovation in terms of the project's impact from a design
perspective, is the planned construction of three freestanding
commercial buildings. These three buildings would be located in
front of the shopping center along Plymouth Road. The
buildings include a known tenant, Jimmy John's, plus two
speculative retail building pads with users that have not yet
been identified. In C-2 zoning, full service restaurants require
waiver use approval. I'm going to discuss the Jimmy John's
next. Looking at this plan, you will see the three buildings on the
top part. The one furthest to the right, which is east, is the
proposed Jimmy John's. This is a one-story building about
1,800 square feet in size. The restaurant would have 55 seats,
including 43 interior seats and 12 outdoor patio seats. It would
not have direct access to Plymouth Road. Instead, ingress and
egress would rely on the existing driveway approaches. The
design features an outdoor dining patio on the front of the
building and drive-up window facilities that would be located on
the east side of the building. The traffic lane serving the drive-up
window would commence on the south side of the building and
then loop around to the east side. The plan includes sufficient
stacking room as well as a bypass lane. The primary exterior
building material would be brick. Cast stone would be used
below the storefront windows along the base of the building
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extending across a portion of the building's front and side
elevations. The top of the building would have a decorative
E.I.F.S. cornice and fascia to match the cast stone on the
bottom of the building. Additional architectural treatments
include a prefinished metal wall coping, two bands of brick
soldier course, as well as canvas canopies above the windows.
The proposed concrete outdoor patio area measures
approximately 10 feet by 59 feet and would accommodate three
tables and 12 customer seats. The patio would be enclosed by
black aluminum railings as well as balusters. The plan shows
the dumpster enclosure located behind the building near the
southwest corner of the restaurant. The enclosure walls would
be 6 feet in height and would be constructed out of the same
brick material used on the building. The two westerly outparcel
buildings are identified on the site plan as "Future Buildings."
The pads represent only approximate locations and footprints of
these structures. Once the users are identified, more detailed
plans would be submitted for site plan review. The building pads
are shown approximately 110 feet apart and are separated by
parking and maneuvering aisles. A drive-up facility is shown
only as a potential for the middle building pad, as this feature
would first require waiver use approval. Neither future building
pad would have direct access to Farmington or Plymouth
Roads. The approximate footprint areas of the westerly building
is 1,500 square feet, whereas the easterly building is 2,475
square feet. Another major part of the redevelopment includes
reconfiguring the shopping center's parking and circulation
pattern. The existing angled parking spaces would be replaced
with 90 degree parking, and bisecting the parking lot is a
curvilinear drive aisle that would connect the main driveway off
Plymouth Road to the drive aisle that runs along the front of the
shopping center. Parking and cross access is provided on both
sides of this drive aisle without interfering with the planned
drive-up operations of either the Jimmy John's or the middle
outparcel building. The existing curb-cuts, one on Plymouth
Road, two off of Farmington, and one off Van Court, would
remain the same as they are today. So there would be no
additional curb cuts on any of the main roads. In terms of
parking, the submitted site plan shows a total of 539 parking
spaces. The required parking for group commercial centers
having more than four establishments is based on either of the
following: 1 parking space for every 125 square feet of useable
floor space where 15 percent or more of the gross floor area is
devoted to places of assembly, or alternatively, 1 space for
every 150 square feet where 15 percent or less of the gross
floor area is devoted to places of assembly. So what
distinguishes the two is primarily the amount of restaurant space
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within the shopping center. If it tips over that 15 percent
threshold, we require parking at a ratio of 1 space for every 125
square feet of useable floor area. If it falls below that, then the
parking is based on the ratio of 1:150. The current shopping
center contains a total of 88,880 square feet of floor area. The
bingo parlor, which is considered a place of assembly for the
purpose of computing parking, is 8,400 square feet, and
represents about 9.45 percent of the total gross floor area. If
you add the three outparcel buildings (5,800 square feet), this
brings the total floor area to 94,680 square feet. Applying the
1:150 parking ratio results in 505 total required parking spaces,
and would limit the amount of restaurant and assembly space to
only 14,202 square feet, which is identical to both the bingo
parlor and the three outparcel buildings. So the parking on this
site does work with the additional retail space, provided that no
more than 15 percent of the floor area is devoted to restaurant
or assembly uses. When we apply the 1:125 ratio, the amount
of parking increases to 606 spaces, and unfortunately, this site
would be deficient by 67 spaces. Additional landscaping would
be provided throughout the parking lot islands and drive aisles
as well as and along the perimeter of the site. Along the
perimeter, portions of Farmington and Plymouth Road, that is
where we maintain the PRDA streetscape improvements The
PRDA Executive Committee has reviewed and endorsed this
plan, subject to maintaining and enhancing the streetscape
improvements along the major roads. In terms of site lighting,
the plan includes all new LED light fixtures. The pole height is
shown at 25 feet. One of the changes you'll see on this plan
from the previous plan is additional lights in the area to the east
of the bingo hall to help facilitate parking there. We have not
reviewed this plan in terms of signage. That is something that
would be addressed at a future date. In terms of more details,
I've isolated portions of the shopping center to give you a sense
of what the new shopping center will look like. This is actually
the north elevation, or the main shopping center, as it faces
towards Plymouth Road. This would be the west end of the
building and this is what the Rite Aid would look like after
completion of the improvements. It will have peaked roof
elements, a reverse gable on a portion of the roof and asphalt
shingles. The lease space immediately to the left of that is a
slightly different design. It has a flat parapet design with an
E.I.F.S. cornice. Again, you can see the varying shapes that are
provided along the façade. On the far east would be the bingo
parlor. You can also see where Chris Furniture is located and
then the highest point along the façade would be the grocery
store, and that rises to a height of about 40 feet overall. The
side elevations, east and west along the main shopping center
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building, contain similar architectural improvements. A floor plan
was provided to give a better understanding of where the
separate units are located. This is looking at the smaller retail
building facing Farmington Road. There is a symmetrical pattern
between the ends of the building and then taller elements in the
center, with full treatments of brick and façade improvements.
So with that, Mr. Chairman, I do have quite a bit of
correspondence. Do you want me to read just the Jimmy John's
correspondence at this time?
Mr. Morrow: We're going to call the third item now.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2015-11-02-25 JIMMY JOHN'S
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
11-02-25 submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C. requesting
waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City
of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to construct
and operate a freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up
window facilities (Jimmy John's) at Shelden Park Village (33111
thru 33251 Plymouth Road), located at the southeast corner of
Plymouth and Farmington Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 34.
Mr. Morrow: And now the correspondence on the waiver.
Mr. Taormina: There are five items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated November 25, 2015, which
reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the
Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced
petition. We have no objections to the proposed waiver use at
this time. The included legal description which describes the
overall plaza appears to be correct, and should be used in
conjunction with this petition. The overall plaza parcel has been
assigned an address of # 33111 Plymouth Road, with address
ranges of #33111 to #33251 Plymouth Road and #10902 to
#10970 Farmington Road for individual stores and suites within
the existing buildings. We are assigning a new address of
#33299 Plymouth Road for the proposed Jimmy John's
restaurant site, which should be used in the future for any
issues regarding this site. The submitted drawings do not
indicate any proposed improvements or alterations to the
existing utilities, so we are unable comment on impacts to the
existing systems at this time. The areas shown for the proposed
restaurant has storm sewer and water main available for service
connections, but sanitary sewer will need to be extended to the
site. The nearest available sanitary sewer will require the
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crossing either Plymouth Road or Farmington Road to extend
the main to the site. The owner will need to obtain permits from
either Wayne County or the Michigan Department of
Transportation depending on the route chosen to extend the
sewer. We encourage the owner to contact this department to
address the storm water and sanitary sewer issues prior to
submitting full engineering drawings for permits. We will provide
a full review of the proposed utilities once the plans are
submitted to this office for permitting." The letter is signed by
David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second letter
is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated December 4,
2015, which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site
plan submitted in connection with a request to construct and
operate a freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up
window facilities at the property located at the above referenced
address. We have no objections to this proposal with the
following stipulations: (1) Adequate hydrants shall be provided
and located with spacing consistent with the use group. (2)
Hydrant spacing shall be consistent with City of Livonia
Ordinances. (3) Chapter 12 shall be followed for New
Assemblies, NFPA 101, 2012. (4) We recommend the
installation of a Ladder Port/Ladder Receiver from Ladder Tech,
LLC or an equivalent. These and other issues will be reviewed
during the plan process." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee,
Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated
November 25, 2015, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed
the plans in connection with the petition. I have no objections to
the proposal." The letter is signed by Joseph Boitos, Sergeant,
Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection
Department, dated December 11, 2015, which reads as follows:
"Pursuant to your request, the above-referenced petition has
been reviewed. (1) Two parking spaces are required to be
designated for drive thru customers. (2) Parking spaces shall be
10' x 20' in length and be double striped. (3) Signage has not
been reviewed at this time. This Department has no further
objections to this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome
Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection. The next letter is from
the Plymouth Road Development Authority, dated December 9,
2015, which reads as follows: "At the Executive Committee
Meeting of the Plymouth Road Development Authority of the
City of Livonia held on December 9, 2015, the following petitions
were reviewed: Petition 2015-11-02-25 submitted by Sheldon
Center, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval to construct and
operate a freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up
window facilities (Jimmy John's) at Shelden Park Village (33111
thru 33251 Plymouth Road), located at the southeast corner of
Plymouth and Farmington Roads. Petition 2015-11-08-18
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submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C. requesting approval of all
plans in connection with a proposal to renovate and expand the
existing commercial shopping center, Shelden Park Village
(33111 thru 33251 Plymouth Road), including remodel the
exterior facade of the existing shopping center building,
reconfigure the layout of the parking lot, construct a
freestanding full service restaurant, and obtain preliminary
approval for two future commercial buildings, located at the
southeast corner of Plymouth and Farmington Roads. It was the
consensus of the Executive Committee to support the proposed
petitions, as presented, subject to compliance with all city codes
and ordinances and continued maintenance and enhancement
of the PRDA's streetscape improvements along Plymouth and
Farmington Roads." The letter is signed by Mark Taormina,
Planning & Economic Development Director.
Mr. Morrow: Let the record show that Mr. Bahr joined the Commission at
7:49 p.m. Mr. Bahr, we're working on Item 3, and we had a joint
presentation of the two items. Are there any questions of the
Planning Director?
Ms. McIntyre: Mark, do we count in the parking spaces those spaces that are
to the east of the bingo hall that are not widely used now?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. Those are all factored into the total parking available, and
we compare that with what is required by code based on the
square footage of the center.
Ms. McIntyre: So those are already factored in?
Mr. Taormina: Yes.
Ms. McIntyre: So I think we had some discussion at our study meeting about
enhancements to lighting and some other things to make that
more attractive and utilized more by the bingo patrons to now
leave the spots to the north of the building available for the other
retail businesses.
Mr. Taormina: That is correct. I don't have the photometric plan on the slide
show presentation, but I'll let the petitioner respond to that. I
believe the latest plan does add lights to that parking light to
better illuminate it and encourage more patrons to park on that
side of the building and to lessen any conflicts with the grocery
store. There is an entrance on that side of the building to the
bingo hall.
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Mr. Morrow: Are there any other questions? Is the petitioner here this
evening? We will need your name and address for the record
please.
Josh Grenadier, Sheldon Center, L.L.C., 24255 W. 13 Mile Road, Bingham
Farms, Michigan 48025. This is Cheryl, a franchisee of Jimmy
John's.
Mr. Morrow: We'll confine our comments now to the Jimmy John's section of
the site plan. Do you have anything to add?
Mr. Grenadier: No. I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm just here to answer
questions.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. Are there any questions of the petitioner?
Ms. Smiley Did you say the lady had other Jimmy John's or she is buying
this Jimmy John's?
Cheryl Doelker, 19369 Fairlane Court, Livonia, Michigan. Good evening. I'm
representing Jimmy John's JDC Group Incorporated.
Ms. Smiley: You're going to operate the Jimmy John's?
Ms. Doelker: Yes.
Ms. Smiley: You have other Jimmy John's.
Ms. Doelker: We do. Several. Five in Livonia. And the plan is to relocate the
existing Jimmy John's that right across the street to the new
building in the new development.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Ms. Doelker, you certainly have a lot experience operating
Jimmy John's both in our city and outside. You have a couple of
them that have drive-thrus and then several that are in strip
centers like the one that's on the north side of Plymouth Road.
What percentage of business would you say is drive-thru
business once you have that facility available to you?
Ms. Doelker: Probably between 30 and 45 percent depending on the location
and the traffic patterns in the area.
Mr. Wilshaw: Do you think the fact that this location does not have direct
access to your facility — it's a little bit indirect in the sense that
you have to take one of two basic entrances either off of
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Plymouth Road or Farmington Road to get to it, that doesn't
hinder the ability for your patrons to get to the drive-thru in any
way.
Ms. Doelker: From our experience at another location, not really. It's always
advantageous to have a curb cut right out in front but not
completely necessary. The visibility from the road is, I think, the
biggest issue.
Mr. Wilshaw: And the reason that you're moving from the center to the north
to this one is to get a freestanding facility and a drive-thru?
Ms. Doelker: Free standing and a drive-thru and we were just at an opportune
time in our lease at the existing location to be able to make this
move.
Mr. Wilshaw: And the size of this particular location, is this larger than your
current facility?
Ms. Doelker: A little bit. The current facility is 1,500 square feet. This one
would be about 1,750 square feet in the interior. So it will give
us a little more room for seating. The existing facility is a little
crowded and cramped space. This will give us more like our
location on Eight Mile in terms of size and seating.
Mr. Wilshaw: Well, certainly based on your past experience running these
facilities in our community, you've worked with us a number of
times over the years. You've always been an excellent
proprietor of these restaurants, very successful, and you've
always worked with us very well. So I certainly look forward to
you having much success here assuming you're approved.
Ms. Doelker: Thank you. Any other questions?
Mr. Morrow: Any other questions of the petitioner? Is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this
petition?
Dick McLain, 11326 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan. The question I have, since it's
going to increase the traffic into that area, has there been any
thought to improving the lane divides and turning lane capacity
on Farmington Road just south of Plymouth? That seems to be
a bit of a bottleneck the way it's designed right now the way you
would turn into the Sheldon Center.
Mr. Morrow: Mark, can you address that?
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Mr. Taormina: I think what he is referring to is probably the width of the lanes
on Farmington Road as you approach Plymouth Road.
Unfortunately, this plan doesn't change that configuration. It's
not really within the scope of the project or something that we
could demand of the petitioners as part of this project. That
would be a County responsibility. Part of the limitation is the
amount of right-of-way space available. So no, there is no
planned improvements directly to the road. In fact, he's not
touching any of the approaches to the site. There will be a slight
increase in traffic generated to the property. I think that's the
whole intent here, but unfortunately, that is not part of the
proposal to change the road.
Mr. McLain: I just have concerns that it could cause a bit of a problem
without an actual turn-in lane there. Thanks.
Mr. Morrow: I will close the public hearing, and I need a motion.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-90-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on December 15, 2015,
on Petition 2015-11-02-25 submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C.
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1)
of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to
construct and operate a freestanding full service restaurant with
drive-up window facilities (Jimmy John's) at Shelden Park
Village (33111 thru 33251 Plymouth Road), located at the
southeast corner of Plymouth and Farmington Roads in the
Northwest 1/4 of Section 34, which property is zoned C-2, the
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 2015-11-02-25 be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the maximum customer seating count for this
restaurant shall not exceed a total of fifty-five (55) seats,
including forty-three (43) interior seats and twelve (12)
outdoor patio seats;
2. That the Site Plan marked Sheet SP-1 and the Enlarge
Site Plan marked Sheet SP-2, both dated December 10,
2015, as revised, prepared by J2BA Architects, are hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
3. That the two (2) spaces designated for drive-up window
customers may be omitted only if this requirement is
waived by the City Council by means of a separate
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resolution by which two-thirds of the members of the City
Council concur;
4. That the Elevation and Cross Section Plan marked Sheet
A-2 dated December 10, 2015, as revised, prepared by
J2BA Architects, is hereby approved and shall be adhered
to;
5. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
6. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be a
minimum seven feet (7') in height, constructed out of
building materials that shall complement that of the building
and the enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel
construction or durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass
and maintained and when not in use closed at all times;
7. That this restaurant shall provide disposal of grease waste
in accordance with Section 13.20.380 of the City Code of
Ordinances;
8. That the issues as outlined in the correspondence dated
December 4, 2015, from the Fire Marshal, including the
recommendation of installing a Ladder Port/Ladder
Receiver, shall be resolved to the satisfaction of the Fire
Department;
9. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
10. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows;
11. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time of application for building permits; and
12. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
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approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Subject to the preceding conditions, this petition is approved for
the following reasons:
1. That the proposed use complies with all of the general
waiver use standards and requirements as set forth in
Section 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance #543;
2. That the subject site has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed use; and
3. That the proposed use is compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Wilshaw: Just a comment. One of our conditions is specific to the use of
grease waste. I don't know that Jimmy John's makes anything
that would produce any grease waste, but in the event their
menu changes in the future, at least that's in there.
Mr. Morrow: So it's not a requirement unless they use it.
Mr. Wilshaw: Exactly. I just wanted to point that out.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #4 PETITION 2015-11-08-18 SHELDON CENTER
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
11-08-18 submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C. requesting
approval of all plans required by Sections 18.47 and 18.58 of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in
connection with a proposal to renovate and expand the existing
commercial shopping center, Shelden Park Village (33111 thru
33251 Plymouth Road), including remodel the exterior façade of
the existing shopping center building, reconfigure the layout of
the parking lot, construct a freestanding full service restaurant,
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and obtain preliminary approval for two (2) future commercial
buildings, located at the southeast corner of Plymouth and
Farmington Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 34.
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Taormina, any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated November 25, 2015, which
reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the
Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced
petition. We have no objections to the proposed site
development at this time. The legal description included with the
petition appears to be correct, and should be used in
conjunction with this petition. The parcel have been assigned an
address of #33111 Plymouth Road, with address ranges of
#33111 to #33251 Plymouth Road and #10902 to #10970
Farmington Road for individual stores and suites within the
existing buildings. The submitted drawings do not indicate any
proposed improvements or alterations to the utilities that service
the parcels, so we cannot comment on impacts to the existing
systems at this time. The existing shopping center is serviced by
public utilities that should not be affected by the proposed
building renovations. The areas shown for the proposed
outbuildings have storm sewer and water main available for
service connections, but sanitary sewer will need to be
extended to the sites. The nearest available sanitary sewer will
require the crossing either Plymouth Road or Farmington Road
to extend the main to the site. The owner will need to obtain
permits from either Wayne County or the Michigan Department
of Transportation depending on the route chosen to extend the
sewer. As with any development, the owner will need to provide
storm water detention for any portions of the site that are
altered. The submitted plans do not indicate any storm water
improvements, so we are not able to determine if storm water
detention is planned. We encourage the owner to contact this
department to address the storm water and sanitary sewer
issues prior to submitting full engineering drawings for permits.
We will provide a full review of the proposed utilities once the
plans are submitted to this office for permitting." The letter is
signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The
second letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated
December 4, 2015, which reads as follows: "This office has
reviewed the site plan submitted in connection with a request to
renovate and expand the existing commercial shopping center,
reconfigure the layout of the parking lot, construct a free
standing full service restaurant, and obtain preliminary approval
for two (2) future commercial buildings on property located at
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the above referenced address. We have no objections to this
proposal with the following stipulations: (1) Fire lanes shall be
marked with wall or pole mounted signs that have the words:
FIRE LANE — NO PARKING painted on both sides (for pole
mount), in contrasting colors at a size and spacing approved by
the authority having jurisdiction. 18.2.3.5.1 NFPA 1, 2009. (2)
We recommend the installation of a Ladder Port/Ladder
Receiver from Ladder Tech, LLC or an equivalent. (3) All
elevated roof sections must include fire stops." The letter is
signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the
Division of Police, dated November 25, 2015, which reads as
follows: "I have reviewed the plans in connection with the
petition. I have no objections to the proposal." The letter is
signed by Joseph Boitos, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth
letter is from the Inspection Department, dated December 11,
2015, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the
above-referenced petition has been reviewed. (1) The parking
lots on the south and east sides of the building shall be repaired
or replaced. (2) The existing drive running along the East side of
the building needs to be repaired or replaced. (3) The parking
spaces are required to be 10'x 20'in length and double striped.
(4) The barrier free parking spaces are required to be properly
sized, signed and striped. (5) Van accessible spaces are
required to be provided in accordance with the Michigan
Building Code 2012. The barrier free parking spaces shown
along the east side of the building do not currently meet the
barrier free dimensions. (6) The dumpster enclosures located on
the south side of the existing building are in disrepair and shall
be reconstructed. (7) The south elevation wall of the existing
building needs to be repaired and painted including the rusted
and deteriorated doors. (8) The storage containers located in
the South parking lot shall be removed. (9) Signage has not
been reviewed. This Department has no further objections to
this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. The next letter is from the Plymouth Road
Development Authority, dated December 9, 2015, which reads
as follows: "At the Executive Committee Meeting of the
Plymouth Road Development Authority of the City of Livonia
held on December 9, 2015, the following petitions were
reviewed: Petition 2015-11-02-25 submitted by Sheldon Center,
L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval to construct and operate
a freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up window
facilities (Jimmy John's) at Shelden Park Village (33111 thru
33251 Plymouth Road), located at the southeast corner of
Plymouth and Farmington Roads. Petition 2015-11-08-18
submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C. requesting approval of all
plans in connection with a proposal to renovate and expand the
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existing commercial shopping center, Shelden Park Village
(33111 thru 33251 Plymouth Road), including remodel the
exterior facade of the existing shopping center building,
reconfigure the layout of the parking lot, construct a
freestanding full service restaurant, and obtain preliminary
approval for two future commercial buildings, located at the
southeast corner of Plymouth and Farmington Roads. It was the
consensus of the Executive Committee to support the proposed
petitions, as presented, subject to compliance with all city codes
and ordinances and continued maintenance and enhancement
of the PRDA's streetscape improvements along Plymouth and
Farmington Roads." The letter is signed by Mark Taormina,
Planning & Economic Development Director.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Seeing none,
I'm going to invite the petitioner back up again on this particular
item. Do you have any comments?
Josh Grenadier, Sheldon Center, L.L.C., 24255 W. 13 Mile Road, Bingham
Farms, Michigan 48025. No. Just listening to those comments,
the south wall of the building is getting painted right now. That's
why it looks in disrepair because it's been chipped off. They're
going to finish painting that, and the parking lots in certain areas
will be replaced with the entire plan.
Mr. Morrow: Any questions of the petitioner?
Ms. Smiley: That strip to the south, is that currently occupied and do you
intend to keep those tenants?
Mr. Grenadier: Yes. We have four or five out of the eight spaces filled in that
building, and nobody is leaving. We're just going to be getting
new tenants.
Ms. Smiley: And you intend also to keep Chris Furniture?
Mr. Grenadier: Yes. This renovation will not displace any existing tenants.
Ms. Smiley: Good. Thank you.
Ms. McIntyre: I know in our study meeting we had some discussion about the
parking spots and the treatment of the ends of those parking
spots that are in front of the big development. I can't tell,
because I'm not an expert at reading the codes or the symbols,
have you replaced some of those strippings?
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Mr. Grenadier: Yes. We replaced four of them since our meeting. Basically the
two and then the two behind that kind of met in the middle. We
don't want to put islands in every single row, but we're more
than happy to add a few more.
Ms. McIntyre: Thank you. We're losing some trees so it's nice to be gaining
some green space, but we also understand the challenges
those pose for snow removal. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Grenadier, I also appreciate the addition of some of those
islands at the end of the rows because frankly with the roadway
that's sort of meandering through the parking lot, it's important
that it be clear to drivers where the roadway is versus having
them diagonally cutting across parking spaces and so on. I think
it's a nice improvement. Obviously, you're making significant
improvements to the general appearance of the shopping
center, which is really welcomed I think by all of us. My question
is, are you planning on doing this in a phased approach or is
this going to be done all at once? What is your building plan for
implementing this?
Mr. Grenadier: Generally, the basic plan, pending what Engineering and the
Building Department would hold me to, what I would like to do is
construct the Jimmy John's outlot building first as soon as we
can, and then follow that up with parking lot replacement and
three or four different phases so that we can keep access to the
entire plaza and the new building and then to follow that up with
the façade improvement, all to be completed by the end of next
summer.
Mr. Wilshaw: And the façade improvement will be for both the large parcel
and the smaller parcel on the west end.
Mr. Grenadier: Correct. Both buildings.
Mr. Wilshaw: With the bingo hall, we've talked a little bit about that parking lot
that's toward the side of the property that's near the bingo hall.
Is there going to be an effort made to encourage patrons of the
bingo hall to enter from the east side of the building as opposed
to walking around to the north?
Mr. Grenadier: Yes. We're going to have discussions with the tenant. Our idea
is to basically use the front door of the building now that's on the
north elevation as an exit only or an emergency exit. And then
to convert that easterly entrance into the main entrance. It's
really going to take the tenant educating his patrons more than
anything. We can do what we can as far as making the door
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bigger and the other door smaller. Like you said, we've added a
parking lot pole in the parking lot in that southeast corner. We'll
do some pathway and other landscaping improvements just to
make it feel like if you're going to play bingo, you're going to go
park over there and that's the parking spot for it. But we will try
to do that internally with our tenant.
Mr. Wilshaw: The additional lighting that you're providing I think will definitely
encourage use of that space because right now for people to
come out late at night or in the dark, which is 5:00 these days,
into a dark parking lot is always worrisome. The additional future
pads that you have . . . you have two pads that are designated
for future expansion. Do you have any tenants in mind for those
at this point or are they simply speculative?
Mr. Grenadier: I do not have any tenants in mind. We are waiting to get through
the approval process before we really pushed and marketed
those spaces, but ideally, in the drive-thru space, we would be
looking for like a coffee/bagel operation, some type of morning,
and then that drive-thru building could be split into two. So
possibly the second user would be a regular retail store as well
as the building on the corner. So I'm not sure that it will be all
restaurants or all food. I think, like Cheryl said, tenants are really
stuck on the visibility. I think those spaces will offer that more
than anything we have. So I expect people to be interested in
them.
Mr. Wilshaw: It would certainly be an improvement over fireworks tents or any
other temporary thing that's been out there in the past. I'll
definitely commend you on what's obviously a very significant
investment into this property, and I hope that investment will pay
off in terms of allowing those other vacant tenant spaces that
are available in the buildings to fill up and have a good full
vibrant shopping center there.
Mr. Grenadier: We do too. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Any other questions or comments? I'm going to go to the
audience. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak
for or against the granting of this petition? I see no one coming
forward. With that, I'm going to ask for a motion.
On a motion by Bahr, seconded by McIntyre, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-91-2015 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2015-11-08-18
submitted by Sheldon Center, L.L.C. requesting approval of all
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plans required by Sections 18.47 and 18.58 of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with
a proposal to renovate and expand the existing commercial
shopping center, Shelden Park Village (33111 thru 33251
Plymouth Road), including remodel the exterior façade of the
existing shopping center building, reconfigure the layout of the
parking lot, construct a freestanding full service restaurant, and
obtain preliminary approval for two (2) future commercial
buildings, located at the southeast corner of Plymouth and
Farmington Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 34, be
approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Site Plan marked Sheet SP-1 and the Enlarge
Site Plan marked Sheet SP-2, both dated December 10,
2015, as revised, prepared by J2BA Architects, are hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That the parking lot shall be repaired, resealed and
restriped as necessary to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department. Parking spaces shall be doubled striped at ten
feet (10') wide by twenty feet (20') in length;
3. That the Landscape Plan prepared by Stewart Hass &
Associates, as received by the Planning Commission on
December 11, 2015, is hereby approved and shall be
adhered to;
4. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydro-seeding;
5. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas and all planted materials
shall be installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department and thereafter permanently maintained in a
healthy condition;
6. That the Floor Plan and Elevations — Large Building Plan
marked Sheet A-3 dated November 20, 2015, prepared by
J2BA Architects, is hereby approved and shall be adhered
to;
7. That the Farmington Road Elevation - Small Building Plan
marked Sheet A-4 dated December 10, 2015, prepared by
J2BA Architects, is hereby approved and shall be adhered
to;
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8. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
9. That the issues as outlined in the correspondence dated
December 4, 2015, from the Fire Marshal, including the
recommendation of installing a Ladder Port/Ladder
Receiver, shall be resolved to the satisfaction of the Fire
Department;
10. That a significant number of dumpster enclosures shall be
located throughout the development and within a practical
walking distance from the buildings and the number,
distance and locations shall be approved by the Inspection
Department
11. That the three walls of the trash dumpster areas shall be a
minimum of seven feet (7') in height, constructed out of the
same brick used in the construction of the buildings or in
the event a poured wall is substituted, the wall's design,
texture and color shall match that of the buildings and the
enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel construction or
durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass and maintained
and when not in use closed at all times;
12. That this site shall meet either the City of Livonia or the
Wayne County Storm Water Management Ordinance,
whichever applies, and shall secure any required permits,
including soil erosion and sedimentation control permits;
13. That all light fixtures along the front part of the
development shall not exceed twenty feet (20') in height
and those at the back of the site shall not exceed twenty-
five feet (25') in height and shall be aimed and shielded so
as to minimize stray light trespassing across property lines
and glaring into adjacent roadways;
14. That only conforming wall signage is approved with this
petition, and any additional signage shall be separately
submitted for review and approval by the Zoning Board of
Appeals;
15. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the buildings or
around the windows;
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16. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and
17. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Bahr: I'll echo some of what was said earlier. I really appreciate the
response that we got on the landscaping issue and also on the
east entrance issue. I think those are both really positive
developments and take what was already a nice development to
do something that will be even more attractive. I wanted to just
briefly comment. There's been a lot of talk around town over the
course of the last year about different ways to do developments
and how Livonia could maybe do some things differently. This
site has come up different times as people saying maybe an
opportunity to rethink how we develop some of our properties.
When I first saw this about a month ago or so with one of the
Rapid Response Teams, I personally was excited because I
was dreaming, I'm not the investor or developer, but I was
dreaming about different things that could be happening with
that and how it could be incorporated with the park behind it and
that kind of stuff. So some residents watching this may be a little
bit disappointed that it's not something larger scale, a
redevelopment, but I think taking into account the needs of the
investor, and they've got a building here that's in decent shape
and really just needs renovating. It doesn't warrant being torn
down and completely redeveloped. I think this is just a really
beautiful plan that you guys have put together. I think it's going
to take a corner that has done reasonable well and it's just
going to take it to a whole another level of vibrancy. So I
appreciate what you're doing.
Mr. Wilshaw: Just a real brief comment. I know that Larry's Foodland, Chris
Furniture and some of the other tenants in there have a very
loyal following from the surrounding neighborhood and the
community. I'm very glad to see that Mr. Grenadier and his
partners have seen fit to make sure that they are
accommodated and that they stay in the center as
improvements are made. So I just wanted to point that out.
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Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Seeing nothing
further, roll call please.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. You have approvals and we wish you all
the luck in the world. Speaking as one Commissioner, I
appreciate what you're doing to that site. I think it will be nice
enhancement, not only to Plymouth Road but also to Livonia.
ITEM #5 PETITION 2015-10-08-17 HAGGERTY MARKETPLACE
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
10-08-17 submitted by Jonna Realty Ventures, on behalf of
Haggerty Marketplace, requesting approval of all plans required
by Sections 18.47 and 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with a proposal to
construct a multi-tenant retail building and obtain preliminary
approval for two restaurant pads on property at 19700 and
19750 Haggerty Road, located on the east side of Haggerty
Road between Seven Mile and Eight Mile Roads in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 6.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to develop a new shopping and dining complex
called Haggerty Marketplace. The site is located just south of
the Costco Warehouse on Haggerty Road between Seven Mile
and Eight Mile Roads. It consists of two parcels that total 10.86
acres in size with 543 feet along Haggerty Road and a depth of
871 feet. The subject properties are in the process of being
rezoned from R-E, Research-Engineering, to C-2, General
Business. First Reading on the rezoning was given on
November 16, 2011, and the Second Reading and Roll Call, the
final steps in the rezoning process, are on-hold pending a
review of the site plan. Tonight's review is based on the C-2
district regulations. This is the site is the former Haggerty Tech
Center developed in the mid-1980's consisting of three "flex-
style" buildings that totaled over 150,000 square feet in size.
The easterly building, which is about 51,000 square feet, will
likely remain as part of the new development. The south
building has been fully demolished and the north building has
been partially demolished. The future use of what remains of the
existing buildings are not known at this time and are not part of
this petition. Any substantive changes to the exterior of these
buildings or changes of uses will require separate approvals.
The plans that we're reviewing this evening show three new
buildings: one multi-tenant retail building and two restaurants, all
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of which would be constructed along the front third of the site. At
this time, plans are preliminary with respect to the arrangement
and location of the restaurants. The petitioner would like to
commence the site work needed to establish the building pads
for each of the restaurant buildings, including underground
utilities, grading, curbs, road access, and parking. Once the
users are identified, more detailed plans would be submitted for
review. The site plan shows two restaurants side-by-side in the
southwest corner of the property. Access would be provided by
means of a single curb cut and driveway located midway along
the site's frontage on Haggerty Road, similar to where the
current driveway is located. The restaurants are labeled
"Restaurant #1" and "Restaurant #2" and measure 7,792 square
feet and 8,085 square feet, respectively. The building setbacks,
which include the area between the building and the right-of-
way with landscaping, four rows of parking and two drive aisles,
would be no less than 140 feet from Haggerty Road. Parking for
the restaurants is based on the overall number of customer
seats, computed at a ratio of 1 space for every 2 interior seats,
1 space for every three seats in the outdoor dining patio and the
employees. According to the Petitioner's estimates, both
restaurants will require a combined total of 242 parking spaces
which includes 404 interior seats, 30 patio and 30 employees.
The total number of spaces shown in front of and behind the
restaurants, south of the main drive aisle, totals 258. In terms of
the retail building, this multi-tenant retail building is one-story in
height and 16,400 square feet in size. The building is shown
divided into six units. An outdoor patio is shown along the
building's south elevation, indicating a future full service
restaurant in the end cap space. Parking would be available in
the front yard between the building and Haggerty with additional
parking available on the south side of the building. Required
parking for the retail building is based on 1 space for every 150
square feet of useable floor area where less than 15 percent of
the gross floor area is devoted to restaurant users. However, we
anticipate for this particular building more than 15 percent of the
space will be used for restaurants and therefore the parking will
have to be computed on a ratio of 1 space for every 125 square
feet. When we include that parking requirements, it requires a
total of 105 parking spaces. Combined, the restaurant at 242
and the retail building at 105, there would be a need for a least
347 parking spaces. The site plan shows 344 parking spaces
available, which is a slight deficiency. However, we feel that the
deficiency is probably underestimated considering what the total
number of customer seats and employees is likely to be once
plans for the restaurants are developed. Thus, it's likely that
variances will eventually be needed once we know more about
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the restaurants. All spaces shown are 10 feet in width. In terms
of the landscaping plan, this is a change from what you saw at
the study session. We asked the petitioner to step it up basically
in terms of the amount of landscaping provided. This plan
reflects that. It includes many more trees and shrubs dispersed
throughout the site. Fifteen percent of the land area as required
by the ordinance would be landscaped, so we're happy to see
the changes as submitted. Changes were also made to the
building elevations of the retail building. The exterior finish of the
building is face brick. It will include concrete masonry units as
well as "cementitious" panels. The face brick and the cement
panels are shown extending above the windows to the building's
roofline. The building's façade facing would be divided into three
sections: the two end sections, which are basically the face
brick, separated by a middle section that would consist of these
cementitious panels. We also see some changes to the rear of
the building. Instead of a painted block material, it would be an
integrated block material or stained block material across that
portion of the building that is immediately adjacent to the
industrial building to the south. The southeast corner of the
building will be wrapped with the same brick that is going to be
used along the front and the sides, so it really improves the
appearance of the building and gives it a four-sided architecture
as opposed to just the three-sided architecture that we saw
under the original plan. In terms of stormwater, that would be
handled offsite on property that is located immediately to the
east of the subject property. Those plans are still being
developed. We are not looking at signage as part of this phase
of the project. I'll note too that the petitioner has modified the
plan with respect to the dumpsters. One of the issues pointed
out at the study session was the lack of trash containers. He
has added two enclosures on the north side of the retail building
to handle the additional needs for that area and additional
information was provided on site lighting. With that, Mr.
Chairman, I'll be happy to read out the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Please.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated October 27, 2015, which reads
as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced petition. We have
no objections to the proposed site development at this time. The
legal descriptions included with the petition appears to be
correct, and should be used in conjunction with this petition. The
parcels have been assigned a range of addresses from #19700
to #19892 Haggerty Road with the addresses of #19700 and
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#19750 Haggerty Road for the overall parcels. The submitted
drawings do not indicate any proposed improvements or
alterations to the utilities that service the parcels, so we cannot
comment on impacts to the existing systems at this time. We will
provide a full review of the proposed utilities when the plans are
submitted to this office for permitting. The drawings do indicate
that the northerly end of the proposed multi-tenant retail building
is to be placed over an existing public utilities easement. The
owner will need to have that easement vacated and/or revise
the layout of the building to not be located within the easement
boundaries. Also, should the owner plan to do any work within
the Haggerty Road right-of-way, they will need to contact the
Wayne County Department of Public Service for permit
requirements." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E.,
Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia
Fire & Rescue Division, dated November 3, 2015, which reads
as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in
connection with a request to construct a multi-tenant retail
building and obtain preliminary approval for two restaurant pads
on property located at the above referenced address. We have
no objections to this proposal with the following stipulations: (1)
Subject building(s) are to be provided with an automatic
sprinkler system, and on site hydrants shall be located between
50 feet and 100 feet from the Fire Department connection. (2)
Adequate hydrants shall be provided and located with a
maximum spacing of 300 feet between hydrants. Most remote
hydrant shall flow 1,500 GPM with a residual pressure of 20
PSI. (3) Fire Department Access shall be maintained in
accordance with Chapter 18, Fire Department Access and
Water Supply, NFPA 1, 2009. (4) In regards to NFPA 13, 2007
edition, Fire Department Connections should be of 2.5 Detroit
Standard Thread. (5) These issues and other code
requirements will be addressed during the plan review process."
The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. The third letter
is from the Division of Police, dated October 28, 2015, which
reads as follows: "I have reviewed the plans in connection with
the petition. I have no objections to the proposal." The letter is
signed by Joseph Boitos, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth
letter is from the Inspection Department, dated December 11,
2015 which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the
above-referenced petition has been reviewed. (1) The parking
spaces shall be 10' wide and 20' long. Parking spaces shall be
double striped. (2) The dumpster enclosures shall have steel
gates. (3) Signage has not been reviewed. This Department has
no further objections to this petition." The letter is signed by
Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the
extent of the correspondence.
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Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director?
Mr. Bahr: I have a couple for Mark through the Chair. Mark, one of the
things we talked about at the study meeting was the possibility
of a connector road to east of this site just to ease some of the
traffic on Haggerty with these heavily used areas from Costco
all the way down to AMC. Is that something that we can include
as part of this, or does that need to be handled totally
separately?
Mr. Taormina: In hearing the concern and the discussion at the study session,
we did incorporate language into the approving resolution that
addresses that. So if you look at Item #3 of the prepared
resolution, hopefully that will address that to your satisfaction.
Mr. Bahr: And then the second one, and I apologize, I'm probably putting
you on the spot here. I intended to ask you this ahead of time,
so if you don't know, that's fine. Do you know how the setbacks,
as shown here for the proposed restaurant pads, compare to
what we see at the J. Alexander's or the Champps further south
there?
Mr. Taormina: These are a little further back. It has more parking. In the case
of those other restaurants that you cited at the College Park
Development, there is a single row of parking provided along
Haggerty Road with one drive aisle. Then there is some
additional landscaping before you get to the restaurant building.
So I would say these buildings are at least 40 to 50 feet further
from the road than what those restaurants are. The primary
reason for that is, this design has more parking provided in front
of the establishments than does the restaurants along Haggerty
Road at College Park.
Mr. Bahr: Thanks.
Mr. Morrow: Is the petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and
address for the record please.
Frank Jonna, Jonna Realty Ventures, 39533 Woodward Avenue, Bloomfield Hills,
Michigan 48304.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anything you'd like to add to the presentation?
Mr. Jonna: Mark did a great job as always. I would like to point out briefly
too that on the rear of the building, one of the concerns we had
was the appearance, and one thing we're challenged with is that
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often there's some mechanical issues that occur later on. So we
put a concrete curb across the back instead of a sidewalk, and
we added landscaping across the back of the building. I think
that is a slight improvement that doesn't show up in these
renderings, but I think that's going to be good and make sure
that we keep our tenants from stacking stuff on the sidewalk in
the back. We hope to have nice landscaping edge because we
do want this to be viewed as a four sided building eventually.
Also, with respect to parking, certainly it's always a major
concern with us to make sure our tenants parking needs are
satisfied. We do have a lot more land here and we hope that the
remainder uses of this property will result in a mixed use and
the type of benefits that will create parking opportunities for one
use to take advantage of peaks of the others. One of the
restaurants we're talking to, for example, is a dinner only
restaurant. So we're hoping that that will play into the mix when
we have potential office users or medical users or some other
users on the site. So we are sensitive to the parking issue. We
will continue to monitor that and make sure we park right for our
clients and the public.
Mr. Morrow: Any questions of Mr. Jonna?
Mr. Bahr: So just for the record, this being a public meeting. We talked a
little bit about the connector road and Mark alluded to it as well.
What are your thoughts in regard to that?
Mr. Jonna: It is something that requires a tri-party agreement between
Costco, West Bay Exploration and this property. I have started
the process of getting that in the works and we'll work towards
making that happen.
Mr. Bahr: You made the comment at the study meeting, and I'm just going
to repeat it because, from a Livonia perspective, this is good for
all of us to hear. The comment was made at the study meeting
that when high end restaurants are looking to come to this area,
the two places they want to come are Big Beaver in Troy or
Haggerty in Livonia. I think that's exciting. It's great to hear.
Some of those restaurants along Haggerty further to the north
close to Six Mile, I'm personally a fan of how those were
developed up closer to the road. I love the aesthetic appeal of
that and I totally get the desire, from a business perspective, to
have visible parking in front, but can you just talk to whether it
would be possible to develop these in a similar way, like the
Bravo or the Mitchell's or the Claddaugh, where they're up close
to the road with parking in the back?
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Mr. Jonna: Well, we must have looked at about 47 different site plans on
this site to try to maximize the yield and accommodate the
potential tenants. I certainly know there is a trend toward
making buildings in suburban settings look more like urban
buildings up closer to the road, but here's the reality. Suburban
buildings function a little different than urban buildings.
Unfortunately, no one will walk to this site. No one may even
walk from the restaurants here to the restaurants on the other
side. It's just the nature of our site. Even next door, the
Pentagon site that we developed, we rarely get people that walk
to the theatre from parking by the restaurants. It's just the way
things go. So parking is very important. I think people seeing
that there's parking available in front of a restaurant draws them
to that. Seeing that it's full, let's them know the restaurant is
busy and they still want to go there. So while parking and cars
aren't always the best thing to see, I think functionally the way
we set the driveways back so we have a little queueing area,
have the ability for people to circulate through the site, will
ultimately be the best use. I think the tenants recognize that.
One of the tenants we're talking to just was very happy with this
site plan and it's a company that's involved with the J.
Alexander's down the street. I think each site is unique and this
one seems to work the best with the kind of parking we've laid
out.
Mr. Bahr: Those are fair points. Thanks for explaining that. I guess I'm
even more bullish when I hear about the excitement in this area
that you talked about in this particular market for these
restaurants. I just really want Haggerty to pop with a lot of wow
factor. I have no doubt this will be beautifully done, and I think
the improvements that you've made to the landscaping will help
provide that as well. So I'm just always trying to think of ways,
how can we take an existing asset, which is Haggerty Road,
and make it pop even more so that it reflects on Livonia. I totally
get the suburban reality and that makes a lot of sense. So
thanks for explaining that and thanks again for the upgrades
that you made to this since our study meeting. I appreciate it.
Mr. Jonna: I will add that the Livonia side outperforms the Northville side.
We kind of made it good for them by what we did on our side of
the road here.
Mr. Morrow: You'll have the opportunity to explain that to him again at the
Council level.
Mr. Jonna: I'll make sure I do.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Jonna, can you explain a little bit about the design of the
multi-tenant center on the north end of this property? I mean as
we look at the rendering of it, it's not what we typically see in
terms of colors or perhaps design. I was just curious what your
thought was to the color scheme, the materials being used and
why it looks the way it looks.
Mr. Jonna: This is somewhat like a center we recently developed using
gray tones versus the reddish brick tones. I don't think they
were totally set in steel, but one of the things we did was to
come up with a little more of an edgy techy look. The steel is
intended to be exposed and galvanized and remain kind of in
the raw state. The cement panels, we can color those up. There
are some options to add splashes of color. We've also talked to
a couple of tenants that may want to do some imaging that
would be more distinctive to their use, and we might be able to
tweak the elevations to make that happen. So a possible awning
of some sort, but you know, simple clean lines I think can be
effective. There is probably some relief that you can't see too
much. The glass is set back slightly from steel, the panels
above are set back about a foot. The panels over the cement
panels stick out about 16 inches. So I know it doesn't look like a
lot of depth to it right now, especially in the elevation view, but I
think it will have some nice curb appeal to it. It may not win an
AIA award, but . . .
Mr. Wilshaw: It is definitely unique to what we see throughout the city and
perhaps in this area, which as you said, may actually make it
stand out and pop a little bit. I appreciate the fact that you did
wrap around some of these treatments to the backside of the
building and provide for some additional relief there because,
frankly, the backside of this building, depending on exactly how
your other phases occur, are likely to be visible to patrons who
are parking in the spaces back there. The fact that you've
listened to what we ask for in the study meeting and provided
those additional improvements is very appreciated and I hope
it's very successful.
Ms. Smiley: You said that you've done this before. Do you have an example
of such place? I'd like to go on a fieldtrip.
Mr. Jonna: Out on M-59 . . . .
Ms. Smiley: Well, you're sending me on one.
Mr. Jonna: It is a hike. The building used cement CMU units that were
stained and these similar cement board panels. We did add
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some accent colors so we went from light gray to dark gray. We
haven't fully developed that but I'll try to get some pictures and
go out for a coffee. There's a Starbucks in that one.
Ms. Smiley: Great. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: We don't want it to look like your R&E building.
Mr. Jonna: No, no. Although that building did weather quite well for a
building that's, geez, how old is it now— 20 some years.
Ms. McIntyre: Almost 30.
Mr. Jonna: Almost 30 years, yeah.
Mr. Taormina: A quick question to the petitioner if I may. Whether or not you
intend to screen the rooftop units using the parapet or if there
would be separate screens provided because they're not shown
on this rendering.
Mr. Jonna: Correct. The building max height is 22 feet. The glass line is at
10. The intent is to pitch the roof from front to back and position
the RTU's in the last third. I thought in one of the sections the
architect kind of drew a dashed line of where the roof would be.
The intent is to use the façade. So the façade at the rear of the
building would match on all four sides, and we would not use
any foreign materials or additional materials to screen the
rooftops. So I think it may have been on the black and white
rendering that he illustrated that. But that's our intent. We feel
with this size small shop space we can provide 10 foot clear
ceilings, about 13 feet to the deck with a 22 foot ceiling, pitch
the thing to the back and have plenty of room for screening the
rooftops.
Mr. Taormina: Thank you.
Mr. Bahr: Through the Chair to Mr. Taormina. With this being approval of
a site plan, I just noticed they have the outdoor patio seating
shown on one of these restaurants, which I'm personally a fan
of and would love to see more of. It's more of a procedural
question. With us looking at a site plan tonight, are we
approving that patio tonight, or is that something that comes
later with the building plans?
Mr. Taormina: That absolutely comes back later with the building plans. So this
is just our first look at this. We will see both restaurants come
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back as well as any full service restaurants that occupy any part
of the multi-tenant building, including the outdoor components.
Mr. Bahr: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or
against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming
forward, I will ask for a motion.
On a motion by McIntyre, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-92-2015 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2015-10-08-17
submitted by Jonna Realty Ventures, on behalf of Haggerty
Marketplace, requesting approval of all plans required by
Sections 18.47 and 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with a proposal to
construct a multi-tenant retail building and obtain preliminary
approval for two restaurant pads on property at 19700 and
19750 Haggerty Road, located on the east side of Haggerty
Road between Seven Mile and Eight Mile Roads in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 6, be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1. That the Site Layout and Paving Plan marked Sheet C-3.0
dated December 10, 2015, as revised, prepared by Bud
Design & Engineering Services, Inc., is hereby approved
and shall be adhered to;
2. That any portions of the existing parking lot and drive
aisles that will remain shall be repaired, resealed and
restriped as necessary to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department. Parking spaces shall be doubled striped at ten
feet (10') wide by twenty feet (20') in length;
3. That final site plan approval by City Council is contingent
upon the Petitioner submitting a conceptual plan that
shows the development of a road immediately to the east
of this site that will form a connection between the Costco
fueling facility to the north and the Pentagon Entertainment
complex to the south, connecting also with this site and the
abutting parcels to the east, and that the Petitioner shall
provide a construction timeline for the new road as a
required condition of the site plan;
4. That the Landscape Plan and Details marked Sheet L1.0
dated December 10, 2015, as revised, prepared by Bud
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Design & Engineering Services, Inc., is hereby approved
and shall be adhered to;
5. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydro-seeding;
6. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas and all planted materials
shall be installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department and thereafter permanently maintained in a
healthy condition;
7. That the Exterior Elevations Plan marked Sheet Al-01
prepared by Bud Design & Engineering Services, Inc., as
received by the Planning Commission on December 15,
2015, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
8. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
9. That the issues as outlined in the correspondence dated
November 3, 2015, from the Fire Marshal shall be resolved
to the satisfaction of the Fire Department;
10. All dumpsters shall be located in walled and gated
enclosures (as described below), and the exact location
and number of enclosures, as well as landscaping around
the enclosures, shall be approved by the Planning and
Inspection Departments prior to the issuance of building
permits;
11. That the three walls of the trash dumpster areas shall be a
minimum of seven feet (7') in height, constructed out of the
same brick used in the construction of the buildings or in
the event a poured wall is substituted, the wall's design,
texture and color shall match that of the buildings, and the
enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel construction or
durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass and maintained
and when not in use closed at all times;
12. That this site shall meet either the City of Livonia or the
Wayne County Storm Water Management Ordinance,
whichever applies, and shall secure any required permits,
including soil erosion and sedimentation control permits;
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13. That all light fixtures along the front part of the
development shall not exceed twenty feet (20') in height
and those at the back of the site shall not exceed twenty-
five feet (25') in height and shall be aimed and shielded so
as to minimize stray light trespassing across property lines
and glaring into adjacent roadways;
14. That only conforming wall signage is approved with this
petition, and any additional signage shall be separately
submitted for review and approval by the Zoning Board of
Appeals;
15. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the buildings or
around the windows;
16. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and
17. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Taormina: With respect to Item #7, the building elevation plans and the use
of brick along the east (rear) elevation — that was language that
was provided before we received the latest plan which shows
partial brick. If the Commission is happy with the design as
submitted, then we would ask that we strike the second part of
that condition.
Ms. McIntyre: As the person that offered the resolution, I'm fine with that if the
rest of the Commission is fine with that.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. So we have that change approved by the maker and
supporter.
Mr. Taormina: If the petitioner understands as Item #3 was read relative to
providing a conceptual plan showing the future road as it would
connect this property with the adjacent properties running both
to the north, east and south, and then providing to the Council at
the time they submit these plans, some type of construction
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timeline for that road that they can review and then embody that
into their resolution. That was really the intent of addressing the
Commission's concerns that were raised at the study meeting. I
just want to make sure that there's a full understanding of what
your obligation would be under that requirement.
Mr. Jonna: Sure.
Mr. Taormina: Thank you.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #6 PETITION 2015-10-02-20 SONIC RESTAURANT
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
10-02-20 submitted by Newquest Crosswell Development
Group, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval pursuant to
Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended, to construct and operate a freestanding full
service restaurant with drive-up window facilities (Sonic) at
29622 Seven Mile Road, located on the north side of Seven
Mile Road between Middlebelt and Purlingbrook Roads in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 2.
Ms. Smiley: Mr. Chairman, this has to be removed from the table.
Mr. Morrow: Yes. Can I have a motion?
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-93-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on November 17, 2015,
on Petition 2015-10-02-20 submitted by Newquest Crosswell
Development Group, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval
pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, to construct and operate a
freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up window
facilities (Sonic) at 29622 Seven Mile Road, located on the north
side of Seven Mile Road between Middlebelt and Purlingbrook
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2, which property is
zoned C-2 and P, the Planning Commission does hereby
remove this item from the table.
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Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Taormina: As you know, we previously reviewed this site plan. It was
tabled to allow the petitioner time to respond to several
concerns that were raised, not only by the Planning
Commission, but also by residents that were at that meeting.
What I would like to do now is run through the changes to the
plan. There have also been some additional changes since our
study meeting last week. The most significant change between
this plan and the one we saw previously was the elimination of
the driveway off of Seven Mile Road. If you recall, the early plan
relied on access coming in off of Seven Mile, and because of
the potential for left hand turn conflicts with the residential street
across Seven Mile, Melvin, it was felt that the issue would have
to be addressed either by aligning the driveway with Melvin or
eliminating it altogether. That driveway has been removed from
the plan and instead a second means of ingress and egress is
now being provided from the east via the internal circulation
drive that is on the Livonia Marketplace property. Originally the
driveway was located almost centrally on the property on Seven
Mile frontage. That's been removed. There's a second driveway
provided at the north end of the site. So no longer is there any
drive approach off Seven Mile Road. The added drive approach
is roughly 96 feet north of the Seven Mile Road right-of-way.
This has had the effect of flipping the carhop canopy and drive-
in operations to the west side of the parking lot. If you will recall
with the earlier plan, we had the drive-in operation located on
the east side. The canopy that would serve the drive-in patrons
is now on the west side of the property where they have one
canopy with the capacity to handle up to 10 vehicles to take
orders from their vehicles. There is a 30 foot wide landscaped
greenbelt still being provided between the church property and
the canopy structure. This is something that is a requirement of
the Planned General Development requirements for this site, as
well as the fact that there is a storm sewer that runs through the
property. There are a number of trees that would be planted.
There's a total of 13 evergreen trees that are spread out along
that side of the property immediately adjacent to where the
access road extends from Seven Mile Road back to St.
Priscilla's Church. There's also a drainage swale that is located
adjacent to these trees. We discussed that at the study meeting.
There was a question of whether or not a berm could be created
long the west side of the property. The petitioner is planning to
incorporate this area as part of the stormwater management
plan, and if this drainage swale is part of that design, then the
ability to create a berm or raised mound in this area is a little
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more challenging. It's a relatively flat area but it could still be
planted. The latest plan also reduces the size of the monument
ground sign bringing it into compliance with the Zoning
Ordinance. Landscaping has been added around the patio on
the front of the building and also along the backside of the
dumpster enclosure. If you recall, there was an issue with the
landscaping along the patio. So some landscaping has been
added to the front of the site as well as along the southeast
corner where the dumpster enclosure would be located.
Customer parking spaces on the east side have been shifted
east to allow vehicles to maneuver around the cars that would
be stacked using the drive-up facility. You'll recall that part of
the problem with the plan we looked at the study session was,
as cars were backed up here using the drive-up facility, it didn't
leave much room for the vehicles to circulate around the site,
especially if those cars were backed up. So the petitioner has
taken these six or so parking spaces along the east side of the
property and moved them further to the east thereby opening
this area up to allow for that bypass lane. The most recent plan
shows 27 off-street parking spaces, 19 of which are available for
customer parking, other than the 10 drive-in spaces. The other
10 are needed for employees and spaces beyond the drive-up
window for customers whose orders are delayed. So really this
only allows for 17 spaces to be used in the seating count for any
combination of interior and patio seating that would not exceed
those 17 parking spaces. Generally speaking, that would be 28
interior seats and 9 outdoor patio seats. That is just a quick
rundown on the changes to the plan just to refresh everyone's
memory. Relative to the appearance of the restaurant, this is the
view of the restaurant building looking at it from a southwest
perspective towards the west side of the building where the
drive-up operation would be. With that, Mr. Chairman, I'd be
happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Did you receive any correspondence on this?
Mr. Taormina: There are two items of updated correspondence. The first letter
is from the Engineering Division, dated December 3, 2015,
which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the
Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced
petition. We have no objections to the proposed waiver use at
this time. The included legal description appears to be correct
and should be used in conjunction with this petition. The existing
property is assigned an address of #29622 Seven Mile Road.
The submitted petition does show a general layout of the
proposed storm sewer system for the site, but does not include
calculations or specifics for the detention system, so we are
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unable to determine any impacts to the existing storm sewer at
this time. It should be noted that the outlet for the proposed
storm sewer connects to a privately owned system, not a City of
Livonia system. Since the City has no jurisdiction over the
proposed outlet, the owner will need to obtain easements
across the neighboring parcels, as well as providing storm
sewer calculations for the existing system to show that the
system will be able to handle the additional drainage areas. The
proposed plans show that the existing 48" storm sewer that
crosses the site is to be relocated for the new restaurant. We
believe that the 48" storm line is a dead-end that previously
serviced the properties to the east prior to redevelopment. The
owner may wish to have the surveyors revisit the site to
determine if that is correct, and if so they will be able to remove
the dead-end line entirely instead of relocating it. The owner will
need to obtain permits from Wayne County for any work
associated with the 48" storm line as it connects to the storm
drain which is under their jurisdiction. The parcel is currently
serviced by public sanitary sewer and water main that the owner
will be able to connect to for the proposed building. We will
comment on the proposed service leads, and issue permits,
once we have detailed engineering drawings during the site plan
review process." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E.,
Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia
Fire & Rescue Division, dated December 7, 2015, which reads
as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in
connection with a request to construct and operate a
freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up window
facilities at the above referenced address. We have no
objections to this proposal with the following stipulations: (1)
Adequate hydrants shall be provided and located with a
maximum spacing of 300 feet between hydrants. Most remote
hydrant shall flow 1,500 GPM with a residual pressure of 20
PSI. (2) Hydrant spacing shall be consistent with City of Livonia
Ordinances. (3) Chapter 38, New Business Occupancies, and
Chapter 7, Means of Egress, must be conformed to which
includes Emergency Exit Signs, Emergency Lighting, Exit
Pathways and Extinguisher Requirements, NFPA 101, 2012. (4)
These and other issues will be reviewed during the Plan review
process." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. That
is the extent of the new correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Mark, we're
only acting on conforming signage, right?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. Our initial staff review provided information on signs, but as
the prepared resolution reads, it only considers conforming
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signage, and anything beyond that would have to go to the
Zoning Board of Appeals. I believe we discussed this at the
study session. We could always treat this as a callback item if
that's the desire of the Planning Commission.
Mr. Morrow: No. It's not a concern. I just want to make sure we understood
that if there is additional signage, they know what the situation
is. If there are no questions of the Director, would the petitioner
come forward please?
Andrew Walters, Metro Consulting Associates, L.L.C., 45345 Five Mile Road,
Plymouth, Michigan 48170. Good evening. I'm the engineering
consultant for this project. With me is Fred Rafou with Newquest
Crosswell Development Group. Thank you for this opportunity to
present this project to this body here. We believe we've heard
the comments and concerns in the previous Planning
Commission meeting and the study sessions, the comments
that the neighbors and residents have had, and we believe that
we have provided an updated plan which met all of those
concerns. I didn't have anything in particular to add to Mr.
Taormina's presentation. I did have one question. At one of the
study sessions there was mention that the landscaping that's
being provided along the 30 foot strip on the western edge of
the property was being provided in lieu of a wall and that a
waiver was required for this change. I just wanted to make sure
if that is, in fact, a requirement that that be included in any
approval for this project. I also have a slightly different parking
count than Mr. Taormina did. The development proposes 10
drive-in bays. It also has 27 parking spaces which are being
provided for either employees or patrons. Stated in our site plan
package, there's a maximum of 8 employees expected at this
facility. So we believe that leaves us room for 19 parking
spaces, which would allow us 34 indoor seats and 7 outdoor
patio seats.
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Taormina, does that concur with your analysis?
Mr. Walter: I think the difference was that you seem to be counting on 10
employee spaces.
Mr. Taormina: If I may, Mr. Chair. I think what was not factored in was the two
additional spaces beyond the drive-up for customers whose
orders get delayed. That is a requirement of the ordinance. That
can be waived by the City Council with a majority vote by a
separate resolution. That's something they can bring up with the
Council, in which case they would have 19 spaces available.
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Mr. Morrow: Is that understood?
Mr. Walters: Yes, sir.
Mr. Morrow: Okay.
Mr. Walters: I guess that concludes all that I wanted to address here. We are
again thankful for this opportunity to present this project, and we
are available for any questions that you might have.
Mr. Morrow: Do we have any questions?
Mr. Bahr: I didn't get the chance to make a comment about tabling this
item at the last meeting. When we were looking at this before, I
thought there were so many good aspects to this site, but I
could not justify in my mind how a curb cut to Seven Mile Road
was going to work and that was the reason for the tabling. I just
applaud you guys for the way that you've revised this to
accommodate that. I think this is a site plan that works a lot
better. I think you've done a nice job accommodating that, as
well as just taking into account that all the drive-up areas are
being moved over to the west side of the property. I mean this
thick evergreen shield, I think, will be definitely adequate and is
consistent with what we see in a lot of other areas in the city for
that type of purpose. I don't really have any questions. I just
wanted to follow up since I was the once that offered the tabling
resolution before and to have an opportunity to publicly explain
that and to applaud you guys for what I think turned out to be a
really good plan.
Mr. Walters: Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mr. Bahr. Anything else? Is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this
petition?
Karl Zarbo, Director of Operations, Lormax Stern Development Company, 38500
Woodward Avenue, Suite 200, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
48304. Good to see you all again. As you folks know, Lormax
Stern Development Company is the owner/operator and
developer of the Livonia Marketplace. This is the last piece of
the 60 acre site. It's an overnight success that's been eight
years in the working. We've also taken seven or eight attempts
at this parcel. I think perhaps because it is the last piece and
because it is so small, it certainly presents its challenges. Just a
little bit historically. If you'll remember, this was the Baker's
Square piece and from day one when we set out to redevelop
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this parcel, we attempted to do this with restaurants. Essentially,
as these gentleman have found out, stormwater management
on a site this small is really an uphill battle. But I think to put in
the use that works for whatever particular business,
accommodate the parking, accommodate the ordinances and
accommodate the stormwater, I think they've been really, really
creative. Again, as you know, the site has been vacant for about
eight years. We took several years attempting to retrofit that
building as the building aged. As we brought the new buildings
out of the ground, it became very apparent to us that the
building needed to come down and that's what we did. Again, it
took a couple of years to resolve that, but we think we're there.
A couple things we do want to just remind you, and we know
when you went through the process with these folks, you folks
still have an awful lot of control that went into this basically 10
years ago. As you know, we put a Planned General
Development agreement together and many of the things that
you folks asked for would have been and should have been
anticipated because we spent a lot of time a lot of years ago
with this team making sure that no matter what happened with
that property, whether it's a tenant, whether it's a ground lease
or whether it's a sale, that we gave you our assurances as
owner and developer that uniformity across that property would
happen. You have another tool, too, which really causes these
folks to put many of the things on paper that you've required.
Just as a reminder, you have an ECR that's there and is
perpetual and crosses that property, and as happened with the
bank when that parcel was sold off, that ECR becomes a
document with this team. So I think we took a look 60 acres
sites about 9 years ago when we started this. We look at the
last piece tonight, and I think hours and hours and hours of work
with the developer and this city are what bring you what we
hope and believe is a good use for that last piece. I think the
aesthetics that they've proposed - also incorporated the
aesthetic theme that's required through the Planned
Development Agreement and the ECR, they've tried to pull
some of those components out of what's there existing and use
it in what is, as you folks know, a pretty unique Sonic
presentation, but I think you can see the Livonia Marketplace in
that Sonic presentation. Hopefully, it's a project that you'll be
pleased with. I've attempted to retire for the last two years.
Maybe I'm getting there. So we thank you again for your time,
and by the way, we want to wish you the best for the holidays.
Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mr. Zarbo. Is there anyone else who would like to
speak? Yes, sir.
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Sam Atherton, 11082 Hillcrest, Livonia, Michigan 48150. Good evening. I'm also
an employee of St. Priscilla's Catholic Church. First off, I
commend the petitioner for being able to resolve the Seven Mile
traffic situation. We welcome the fact that it's new business for
Livonia. I know the City of Livonia welcomes it as a tax base. I
have a couple questions that are concerns to the parish itself.
I'd like to present them if I may. The existing fence and the
separation between the two properties, I haven't talked to any of
the builders or anything so I don't know the answers. Is the
existing fence going to remain? The trees that are on the west
side of the fence, are they going to remain or are they going to
be taken down? They've been there for 30 years or more. That's
a question. Another question I have is the signage on Seven
Mile. Will the signage be in accordance with the City ordinances
or will it be larger? We're in the process of redoing our sign. We
certainly don't want to spend $25,000 and have it
overshadowed by something else that can't be seen by the
public. We're asking about that. That's a concern for us. The
drainage easements, they've addressed it to a point. Right now,
the drainage easements are between the two properties. At
times when it rains heavily, I have water standing between the
two properties, mostly on my side of the church. So we need to
address that when we go to build. If it's a higher elevation,
obviously the water is going to run down and we have to have
someplace for it to go. There is one drain about 30 yards in from
the Seven Mile Road to the site. All the water comes to that. So
we need to address that. I probably know the answer to this: this
is a seven day operation I presume. They indicated it was from
6:00 a.m. to midnight, and I believe it is seven days a week.
That's what it's going to be. Those are the basic comments that
I have. The one thing that I would like to say is that with the
additional business, there's probably going to be additional
traffic that we may need to address down the road as to how we
handle the traffic in that area. It could become a problem. We
certainly don't want to see any of our residents get hurt. So we
need to keep that in mind. That's all I have.
Mr. Morrow: I'm going to ask the petitioner to respond to your questions.
Could you do that?
Mr. Walters: Sure. Thank you for those questions. In regards to the trees and
fence, the spruces that are being proposed are in addition to
what is existing there. Nothing on the west side of our property
line is being removed. In regard to the existing fence, we're not
planning on moving that. Your question about drainage, you'll
see up there proposed in the northern portion of our property is
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a retention facility. We are also proposing a bio-retention swale
along the western property line and also where there is some
green space on the eastern side. The intent of that is to capture
the runoff generated on the Sonic site to treat it, detain it in
accordance with Wayne County's and the City of Livonia's
stormwater standards. I will note that the site currently has no
stormwater management whatsoever. So the steps that we are
taking to address stormwater management should alleviate your
drainage concerns. Hours of operation, it is a seven day a week
operation. As far as signage goes, the signage package will
meet the City of Livonia's requirements and any deviations will
obviously require a variance.
Mr. Atherton: All right. That answers my questions.
Mr. Zarbo: The traffic piece again, if you'll remember, the site was really
designed, as was Seven Mile, for the end piece. So all of the
improvements on Seven Mile that were done back several years
ago, but the other thing we did with this site, if you go way back
and Mark may be the only one to remember, but for traffic
control so that we're sure we're controlling traffic on this site,
there was a shopping center redeveloped south of this and
there was some discomfort with how the traffic flowed. So if
you'll remember, what we did here, is that the driveway that's
between the bank and the Massage Green property, that canoe
is as long as you've seen anywhere in the City of Livonia. What
we did at that main signalized entrance is make sure we brought
the traffic all the way in off of Seven Mile to almost the midpoint
of the property and that you had stacking for almost half the
property to get out. We've watched this driveway now for five
years. As you know from where Happy's Pizza, and now 1000
Degree Pizza, which just opened last month by the way, it was
intended to have traffic flow from that building that we refer to as
"E" into this property. And I would tell you five years ago, we
probably all would have been concerned about that second curb
cut at the driveway. But it's really functioned well. We've got five
years of watching it. Five years of traffic flow and I think we're
very, very comfortable and tried to be really good neighbors.
The stormwater for this whole site, if you'll remember again, was
designed by one of the best in the nation. It was Dr. Tilton and
he did the entire site including Sears, and actually it was taken
into account for this site that this last piece had to stand on its
own and certainly control the amount of water which flowed, the
rate at which it flowed and the quality of that water. These folks
fortunately or unfortunately have had to address that as the last
site. So we've attempted to be very good neighbors.
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Mr. Atherton: We wish to be.
Mr. Zarbo: You guys have been wonderful. The fence really goes way,
way, way back. You're correct. That was supposed to have
been a wall 51 years ago but both parties agreed to the fence,
and as we've developed, all the way back from the piece we
own, the Kohl's piece and coming forward, we retained the
fence and we've indicated to the church that we would keep the
fence as long as they wish it to be there.
Mr. Atherton: The only other piece of information I might offer — at one time at
the end of Melvin and Seven Mile, there was a street light on the
utility pole that's there. That somewhere along the way the last
10 years either fell down, got removed or whatever, but that
intersection is not lit up at all. A street light on that pole would
probably make a large difference in the traffic going in and out
and people being able to see. That's all I have.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. Is there anyone else that would like to
speak?
Joann Yurgil, 18435 Bainbridge, Livonia, Michigan. Good evening. I'm speaking
on my own, but I also am a parishioner of St. Priscilla's. I'm glad
Mr. Lormax is here because I have one concern. It does regard
the detention pond. I don't know who's going to be maintaining
it, but the two detention ponds on the property that are there
now, the small one between Bank of America and Sears and the
larger one, are not really being maintained. The debris and
garbage in them is kind of upsetting at times and the smaller
one between Sears and Bank of American has been taken over
by like ten foot tall marsh grasses. It just looks a little unsightly.
And the other one that's nearer to Walmart does have water,
muddy at times but a lot of trash and stuff accumulates. So my
concern is, if there's now going to be a third detention pond
closer to the St. Priscilla property directly to the north of the
Sonic, who is going to maintain them? It just looks bad. We
don't want to see more bad. We understand this water problem
but the detention ponds have got to be kept better.
Mr. Morrow: Right. To answer your question, that really doesn't affect this
site tonight, but Mr. Zarbo is here. He's heard it.
Mr. Walters: She does have some concerns about the detention basin on the
side property. I think one of the points that Fred here has made
in some of the study sessions is that Sonic is a drive-in facility.
Their dining room is the outdoors. The appearance of this
property is important to them.
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Ms. Yurgil: If you're going to have dining outdoors and loose trash, we just
want to be sure we're not going to have loose trash floating
around in the water and that type of thing. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: If there is no one else coming forward, I'll ask for a motion.
Mr. Bahr: I just want to compliment the residents that were here tonight.
It's always pleasant when we have legitimate concerns
courteously expressed. So thank you.
On a motion by Bahr, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-94-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on December 15, 2015,
on Petition 2015-10-02-20 submitted by Newquest Crosswell
Development Group, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval
pursuant to Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, to construct and operate a
freestanding full service restaurant with drive-up window
facilities (Sonic) at 29622 Seven Mile Road, located on the north
side of Seven Mile Road between Middlebelt and Purlingbrook
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2, which property is
zoned C-2 and P, the Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2015-10-02-20 be
approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the maximum customer seating count for this
restaurant shall not exceed a total of forty-one (41) seats,
including thirty-two (32) interior seats and nine (9) outdoor
patio seats, or any other combination of interior and/or
exterior seating that does not exceed the 19 available
parking spaces;
2. That the two (2) spaces designated for the drive-up window
customers may be omitted only if this requirement is
waived by the City Council by means of a separate
resolution by which two-thirds of the members of the City
Council concur;
3. That the Site Plan marked Sheet C2 prepared by Metro
Consulting Associates, dated December 11, 2015, as
revised, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
4. That the Landscape Plan marked Sheet C5 prepared by
Metro Consulting Associates, dated December 11, 2015,
as revised, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
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5. That the hours of operation of the restaurant and the drive-
up window operations shall be limited to 6:00 a.m. to
midnight, seven days a week;
6. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydro-seeding;
7. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas, and all planted materials
shall be installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department and thereafter permanently maintained in a
healthy condition;
8. That the landscaped greenbelt along the site's western
property line, as shown on the approved plans, is hereby
accepted and shall be substituted for the protective wall
required by Section 18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance;
9. That any change of circumstances in the area containing
the greenbelt resulting in a diminution of the greenbelt's
effectiveness as a protective barrier, the owner of the
property shall be required to submit such changes to the
Planning Commission for their review and approval or
immediately construct the protective wall pursuant to
Section 18.45;
10. That the Building Elevation Plans marked A3.01 and A3.02
as received by the Planning Commission on October 13,
2015, are hereby approved and shall be adhered to, except
for the fact that the fiber cement board panels shown on
the east and west elevations of the building shall be
replaced with brick;
11. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
12. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be a
minimum seven feet (7') in height, constructed out of
building materials that shall complement that of the building
and the enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel
construction or durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass
and maintained and when not in use closed at all times;
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13. That all pole mounted light fixtures shall not exceed a
height of twenty feet (20') above grade and shall be
shielded to minimize glare trespassing on adjacent
properties and roadway;
14. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
15. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows;
16. That unless approved by the proper local authority, any
type of exterior advertising, such as promotional flags,
streamers or sponsor vehicles designed to attract the
attention of passing motorists, shall be prohibited;
17. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time of application for building permits; and
18. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Subject to the preceding conditions, this petition is approved for
the following reasons:
1. That the proposed use complies with all of the general
waiver use standards and requirements as set forth in
Section 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance #543;
2. That the subject site has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed use; and
3. That the proposed use is compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
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Mr. Taormina: I would like to add a condition in response to the petitioner's
comments earlier about the amount of seating. The two spaces
designated for the drive-up window customers may be omitted
only if this requirement is waived by the City Council by means
of a separate resolution by which two-thirds of the members of
the City Council concur.
Mr. Bahr: I'm good with that.
Mr. Morrow: Yes, please add that. We have concurrence here.
Mr. Taormina: And if the maker of the motion would like any direction relative
to hours of operation.
Mr. Morrow: Would you want to add the hours of operation?
Mr. Bahr: I think they said 6:00 a.m. to midnight, seven day a week. I don't
have an issue with that. Are you suggesting that we write that
into the resolution?
Mr. Taormina: Yes, I am if that's what the petitioner is offering.
Mr. Bahr: Yes, let's add it.
Mr. Morrow: Mrs. Smiley, do you concur?
Ms. Smiley: I do.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. Good luck.
Mr. Walters: Thank you, Mr. Morrow. We also would respectfully like to
request a seven day waiver to make it to the City Council.
Mr. Morrow: Like I said before, it may or may not do you any good, but if
there's a member of the Commission that would like to offer
that.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously approved, it was
#12-95-2015 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
determine to waive the provisions of Section 10 of Article VI of the
Planning Commission Rules of Procedure, regarding the effective
date of a resolution after the seven-day period from the date of
adoption by the Planning Commission, in connection with Petition
2015-10-02-20 submitted by Newquest Crosswell Development
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Group, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval pursuant to
Section 11.03(c)(1) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended, to construct and operate a freestanding full
service restaurant with drive-up window facilities (Sonic) at
29622 Seven Mile Road, located on the north side of Seven
Mile Road between Middlebelt and Purlingbrook Roads in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 2.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #7 PETITION 2015-11-01-10 McLaren
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
11-01-10 submitted by McLaren Performance Technologies
pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone a portion of
the property at 32233 Eight Mile Road, located on the south
side of Eight Mile Road between Parker Avenue and Hubbard
Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R-3 (One Family
Residential) to P (Parking), without any conditions.
Mr. Taormina: The area of land proposed to be rezoned under this petition is
identical to the zoning change that was approved by the City Council
on April 28, 2010. It is intended to set the record straight in the eyes of
Wayne County Circuit Court and a ruling handed down by the
Honorable Susan L. Hubbard. Judge Hubbard in this matter ruled that
the land in question reverted back to the original zoning classification,
R-3, as a result of McLaren's failure to commence construction of the
parking lot within the 12-month time period specified in the 2010
conditional rezoning agreement. The Judge declared that the
conditional rezoning agreement became void when McLaren
"abandoned the development project," and therefore, in accordance
with state law, the rezoning of the property from R-3 to P was
automatically revoked and reverted back to the original zoning
classification of R-3. The change of zoning, as I indicated, affects the
same area of land that McLaren rezoned in 2010. The property is 0.87
acre in area measuring 115 feet by 329.96 feet. In May, 2014 the area
in question was site plan approved for the construction of a detached
multi-level parking structure. A majority of this structure has been
completed and is tentatively scheduled for occupancy in 2016. With
that, Mr. Chairman, I can read out the departmental correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Please.
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Mr. Taormina: There is one item of correspondence from the Engineering
Division, dated November 25, 2015, which reads as follows: "In
accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has
reviewed the above referenced petition. We have no objections
to the proposed rezoning at this time. The legal description
provided by petitioner (also included with Petition 2009-11-01-
02) appears to be correct for the proposed parking rezoning and
should be used with this petition. The parcel address of 32233
Eight Mile Road is correct for the subject property. The existing
parcel is currently serviced by public utilities which are not
indicated for alterations under the proposed rezoning, and all
proposed improvements have been reviewed by this department
in previous submittals." The letter is signed by David W. Lear,
P.E., Assistant City Engineer.
Mr. Morrow: Did we have a petition submitted by the residents?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. We did receive a petition. It is dated December 3, 2015,
and it reads as follows: "The purpose of this letter is to inform
the Livonia City Council and any other interested parties that all
property owners listed in this letter wish to declare a formal
protest regarding the proposed zoning changes requested by
Linamar/McLaren at their existing location on Eight Mile Road
between Farmington and Merriman. Reference Petition 2015-
11-01-10." That is signed by seven residents on one petition
and one signature on a separate sheet.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. So this is informing the City Council but it's part of our
record now too.
Mr. Taormina: That is correct.
Mr. Morrow: Is the petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and
address for the record please.
Scott Maxwell, Director of Operations, McLaren Performance Technologies,
32233 W. Eight Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Good
evening. I think Mark was fairly succinct in his analysis of where
we're at right now. As he said, the parking structure is probably
90 percent complete. The building, which is not subject to this
but is part of the project in whole, is about 95 percent complete.
We're scheduled, barring any other issues, to move in on the
first weekend of February. So the one thing I think that we're
concerned with is that while there have been delays for many
reasons, the lease in Southfield for the employees that are
moving to the new building is up in April. So we do have an end
point at which we will have no place for about 100 employees.
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So that's one of the concerns today. We're here to answer any
questions you may have. I realize that this is not what
everybody wanted, to be back here having to go over this again,
but we'll do what we need to do.
Mr. Morrow: Any questions of the petitioner? I think the rezoning request is
fairly straight forward. Is there anybody in the audience that
wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition?
Michael Horton, 20414 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'd like to ask for
permission from the Board, if I can give you a handout.
Mr. Morrow: Could you explain what it is?
Mr. Horton: I'll try to be as brief as possible. We've all been here a long
time. I feel like I need a shave. I think it's important to just tell
this story again and how we are back here again tonight. In
2010, McLaren petitioned the city to change the zoning on a
residential piece of property. The City Council met on it, tabled
the issue, I think at least in some part due to the opposition from
the neighbors. In the meantime before the next meeting, the
neighbors filed a formal protest which would have required a
super majority vote from City Council. McLaren knew this. They
invited several of the neighbors, including myself, to a meeting
at their facility in 2010 and presented us with a very specific
plan that looks nothing like the one they are building now. And
they told us, if you will not contest this plan at the City Council
meeting, we will stick to this plan. So we, as citizens and trying
to be good neighbors, withdrew that formal protest. That's part
of the handout you just got. In that formal protest, which was
submitted to City Council, and everybody involved was aware of
what it said, it says in there McLaren has agreed not to pursue
further expansion on the site. So the City Council approves it
with those conditions. McLaren never completes the project, not
only within the 12 months, not within 36 months. They never do
the things that they told us they were going to do. In March of
2014, we are all brought back together at the Mayor's office and
presented a wildly different plan. It's not even remotely close to
what they promised us. We asked at that time, myself and
several neighbors, asked the City Council not to allow them to
do this. This is not what we all agreed to. They did not. They
went ahead and approved it anyway, which I'm sure you're all
aware of. What McLaren did do was quietly work in the
meantime to strengthen their position by buying additional
property, having meetings with City officials without including
the neighbors, and basically strengthening, again, their position
to continue with this much different plan. So I was left with no
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choice but to pursue it through the Courts. A Wayne County
Judge presided over a hearing on this subject and landed solidly
on my side, which she doesn't even reference me necessarily.
She references the neighbors. She basically said that McLaren
misled the neighbors and this ruling is essentially a result of that
hearing. She ruled that they didn't keep up their promise to us or
their agreement with us and that's why this was back to R-3.
She also basically put an injunction that required them to stop
working on it, which we basically, out of the goodness of our
heart I guess for lack of a better way to put it, went to the Judge
when they asked the Judge to lift that injunction, we told the
Judge that we would agree to that, providing McLaren tried to
work with us to resolve this issue in a matter that's, you know,
satisfies everybody involved. They basically didn't do what they
promised they would do to get us to vote or withdraw our
protest. When we did that, it became parking and then they just
did whatever they wanted to do.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. We appreciate that input, but it looks like our charge here
tonight is a rezoning request to place it back in the classification
of Parking, which apparently expired some time ago.
Mr. Horton: I'm in no position to argue with that. Yes. I suppose that's
correct, but I believe it is within your power tonight to table this
until McLaren does what they had promised to do, which was try
and work with us to resolve this in some other fashion.
Mr. Morrow: I think that, based on at least the Planning Commission's
involvement, we saw those plans and we assumed that it was in
the correct zoning at the time not knowing that it had expired.
My feeling is that we're going to take action tonight, and it will
move forward to the City Council. That's where it goes from
there, but I think our mission or charge tonight is to see if we
agree with that rezoning request and either send it approving or
not approving to the Council.
Mr. Horton: Well, then I guess I don't have anything further.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you for coming. Is there anyone else in the audience
wishing to speak?
Dan Steel, 11037 Ingram, Livonia, Michigan. I'm also Mike Horton's attorney.
And I did want to address the issue that, Mr. Morrow, you just
raised. That's not the status. This is not just a formality that
we're here about today. I see from the notes at the study
meeting, I got a copy of what Mr. Taormina presented at the
study meeting and I also heard what he just said. It says that the
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request for rezoning is identical to the petition from 2009, which
had been approved by the City Council on April 28, 2010. That's
absolutely incorrect. What's here before the Commission bears
no resemblance to what was approved on April 28, 2010. So
that first statement, which you were informed of in the study
meeting and were informed of earlier today, is not correct. What
was previously approved by the City Council was a conditional
zoning agreement which was based on additional parking that
would occur in this area. It was approved because the city,
McLaren and all of the surrounding residents had agreed that it
could move forward in that manner as a concession to McLaren.
It was passed by the City Council in 2010 unanimously. What
you have here today, what you're being asked to approve and
pass onto the City Council today, has nothing to do with what
happened in 2010. What you have now is a three-story parking
structure that has already been built. The Court has said that
that three-story parking structure violates the Zoning Ordinance
for the City of Livonia. It's not just a formality. She made a
ruling, a finding of fact, that it violates the Zoning Ordinance.
Also, we have no consent here. The residents didn't consent to
this as they did back in 2010. The City Council, when they saw
the three-story parking structure that was being proposed by
McLaren, there was no unanimous vote as they had had before.
As a matter of fact, both Councilpersons Brosnan and Toy
spoke out passionately against that three-story parking
structure. So the suggestion that this is just a formality today is
not correct. What we have here today is what is clearly a
violation of the Master Plan for the city. The Master Plan for the
city specifically addresses this area south of Eight Mile, what
they call an industrial zone. It's required and not everywhere in
the Master Plan does it say required, but on this particular area
south of Eight Mile, what we're talking about today, it says that it
is required that there be a buffer in between the industrial area
and the residents to the south. And that's not provided for here.
So it's clearly a violation of the Master Plan. It also makes no
sense. This is a brand new item for this Commission. What's
being asked is for you to approve a three-story parking structure
in a residential area. There is no precedent for it anywhere in
the city. You see nowhere in the city what you see on that map.
But more specifically, nowhere in the city is there a three-story
parking structure that's being put in a residential area. It's
completely incompatible with all the surrounding uses. I hope
you'll hear from other people about how incompatible it has
become. So again, it's a new vote, and I ask you to vote to
protect the citizens, protect the Master Plan, and I ask that you
send this back to the City Council and tell them not to approve
this petition. I'd be happy to answer any questions.
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Mr. Morrow: The petition from the owners shows a piece of property that we
should consider if it should be a parking classification or not.
Now there's a lot of detail that you're coming up with, and if
anybody wants to offer anything other than that, I'd like to hear
it.
Mr. Steel: All the detail is what presently exists.
Michael Fisher, Chief Assistant City Attorney, City of Livonia, Michigan. Mr.
Chair, I think the situation is that the Commission is being asked
to recommend the rezoning that will make this conform to the
use that's now in place. It would have been one thing . . . I don't
really want to get into the merit actually — forget it. I don't want
to get into the merits of the lawsuit because I don't think that's
pertinent here. All that is pertinent here is whether you're going
to say yes or no to rezoning this property commensurate with
what's actually on the property today. There are lots of other
fascinating topics we could get into and the litigation is hotly
contested so we could have real fireworks if you wanted, but I
don't see any point in that. It seems like we would get bogged
down over nothing.
Mr. Morrow: So you're concurring with what I said?
Mr. Fisher: Yes.
Mr. Morrow: I don't know if this is correct or not, but in my notes, the Court
ordered McLaren to cease construction until it obtained a new
rezoning of the subject property to P. I think that's what we're
doing here tonight.
Mr. Steel: I certainly disagree that that's what the Court ordered. The
Court said the rezoning reverted back to residential. They said
that McLaren could always go back and try to get it rezoned, but
the suggestion in here that they told them to go get it rezoned,
that's not correct. Like anyone else, McLaren can come into this
Planning Commission and ask for rezoning. That's all the Court
said. As a matter of fact, I was there. She used the words "fresh
start." They can start afresh. That's what they're doing. So I
agree with Mr. Fisher, I don't want to get into the merits of the
lawsuit. That's an issue for another day. But I also agree with
him that what this Commission is supposed to do today is to
look at whether or not this is appropriately zoned to include a
three-story parking structure. Look at it simply as does the
Commission want to put a three-story parking structure in a
residential area with no precedent anywhere else in the city.
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Mr. Morrow: Okay. I appreciate your input.
Mr. Steel: Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anyone in the audience wanting to speak?
Robert Austin, 20306 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I live a little less than
500 feet south of this three-story parking garage. I've been at all
these meetings since McLaren has proposed it. I've lived at this
address for 30 years. I've been fighting McLaren pretty much off
and on for 30 years about different things they want to propose.
Two items I just want to bring to your attention. This petition, the
last three words "without any conditions," that is preposterous.
I've been sitting here for three hours listening to you guys
approving things with 14, 16 different conditions on their
approval. I've been hearing all the legalese and all of the things
about dumpster locations, widths of parking spots. How can this
issue get by the Planning Commission and the Council? You
have study sessions and everything and yet this issue about
rezoning and them building a garage on a residential lot, it just
appalls me to think that it got by you and makes me wonder
what else gets by. I just want to go on record with that.
Mr. Morrow: We were looking at site plans, sir. That is a different type of
analysis from zoning. Our charge is, is the zoning appropriate or
not in our estimation. Some of us may agree or disagree.
Mr. Austin: I understand, but when the petitioner comes with a plan to build
this monstrosity that they're building, you have to look at the
way the properties are zoned. They had an industrial belt made.
They had a piece of property in the back that was zoned
residential. You assumed it was zoned parking. Those are your
words. And it got by and that's why we're here today.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Anyone else?
James Brossard, 20391 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm the first house off
of Eight Mile on the west side of Parker. I live right behind
McLaren. I came here in 1965. I think McLaren came in around
1968 if I'm not mistaken. I've seen a lot of changes coming
along here. I just ask that you would approve that this would be
okay, that you approve the completion of the parking structure.
Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you for your input.
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Nabil Nouman, 20341 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Good evening. From
what I understand is and, again, according to the way I read the
court order and all that, we're talking about the parking
structure, or actually the rezoning of residential into parking. At
least that's the way I understand it. Now I understand that the
last time we came around and the Planning Commission
approved or whatever the case was, was it the parking structure
itself or the plans or the rezoning, I think everybody looked at
the renderings and plans that McLaren supplied. Everybody
went up and then we're talking about it's only 18 feet with light
poles and all that kind of stuff. But this monstrosity is up. And
from what I understand, the Planning Commission's main role
is, if this is to be zoned from residential into commercial or
parking or whatever the case might be, is to also take into
consideration, if not the main reason, at least one of the things
to take into consideration is how does that affect the
neighborhood, the way and quality of life around this structure.
So I brought with me some picture that I've taken with a 50 mm
lens, which means it's just exactly the same thing as the naked
eye. It's not zoomed in. It's not zoomed out. I would like the
Planning Commission to look at those if possible. The first one
is out of my bathroom window. So keep in mind this parking
structure will be operating 24/7 so people could be seeing
through every single neighbor's house, living rooms, bathrooms,
what it is.
Mr. Morrow: Are you talking about the building?
Mr. Nouman: The actual parking structure.
Mr. Morrow: I understand.
Mr. Nouman: These pictures are from my house, my backyard and other
neighbors around it to show how big of an invasion it is on
everyone's privacy and how this will significantly impact our
lifestyles and the way we live in our neighborhood. I would like
you to take a look at those. I put those sticky notes on them.
That's from what address they were taken.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anything else?
Mr. Nouman: No. I just wanted everyone to see those and how basically if the
vote was to . . . this is not just about the Planning Commission
moving things forward to the City Council because I believe that
this Commission does take a big, big responsibility of at least
advancing this. If this gets shut down, it won't move forward.
This is what we're going to see in our backyards. This is how
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we're going to live. The whole neighborhood is really torn to
pieces because of that big structure, and this is a golden
opportunity to not let it go because just the fact that the structure
is up there, should not mean anything because that lot right now
is residential according to the court order. So to zone it parking,
that parking structure should have no influence on that.
Mr. Morrow: We'll see how the Commission feels about it.
Mr. Nouman: I appreciate that.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Anyone else?
Eric Stempien, 23800 Woodward Avenue, Pleasant Ridge, Michigan. My role
here is, I am one of the attorneys that represented Mike Horton,
or continue to represent Mike Horton in the litigation. One of the
things I want to talk about is something that's not really sort of
on the radar and wouldn't be on the radar with regard to the
neighbors. And this has to do with the actual existence of a
parking structure in P zoning districts in the City of Livonia. And
this was not an issue that the Judge even addressed because
she didn't have to get to it based on the ruling that she made
with regard to the reversion of the rezoning because it's not
zoned P. But even if it becomes zoned P, now what you have is
a building, a structure, on a P zoned piece of property and in
looking at the zoning ordinance, Section 13.03(d), and I would
encourage the Commission to sort of look into this and it might
be something worth looking into prior to making a decision on it.
Section 13.03(d) states that no building shall be erected on any
P zoned district, except for the shelter of attendants. And it talks
about some dimensions, some very modest sized buildings that
would be allowed on any P zoning. When you look at this
ordinance, the definitions under the ordinance, it talks about
what a building is and what a structure is. The building is clearly
anything, and includes the word structure by the way in the
definition of building, and a structure is anything that's
permanently attached. Under the ordinance, there is just no
question that a parking structure is a building, a building is not
allowed on P zoning. Now there's another section, and we've
gone through this a little bit with the city in terms of the litigation
but also in sort of more informal discussions about this, there's
another section that talks about how you can have buildings for
parking of vehicles. However, I would urge the Commission not
to adopt that type of position because what we're talking about
here is, and we don't agree with this interpretation, but if the
city's interpretation is they've put forth through all this litigation is
taken as being what the ordinance says, there would be no
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limits. There would be zero limits on what size of building on any
setbacks, nothing like that. Simply putting up a structure, it could
be 8 stories, 10 stories, 12 stories, 15 stories high. There would
be no limits within your ordinance for how big of a structure, or
how big of a building you could put up on any P zoning. That
simply cannot be what the ordinance intends. Every other
provision within the ordinance, whether it's residential,
commercial, industrial, has some limits with regard to building
size, setbacks, all of those normal types of limits that you guys
deal with on every type of site plan or zoning request. So if the
city's interpretation goes forward and McLaren in this example,
but it doesn't have to be McLaren, it can be anybody, comes
forward and says we want to build a 15-story structure, if they're
correct, you would not be able to stop it. You would have these
structures that could go up anywhere. Now would it happen? Is
there a practical aspect of it? Maybe. Who needs a 15-story
structure? But the fact of the matter is that I think the
Commission needs to take a look at that and I think they need to
decide how that ordinance reads, what is actually allowed or
disallowed in terms of the size of the structures that would be
allowed in P zoning, and if it needs to be addressed within the
zoning ordinance, there may need to be some sort of an
amendment that's brought forward, but I think as you sit here
today, yes, it's a three-story structure but if you approve it, they
could simply slap another three stories on top of it and there
would be nothing within the ordinance to stop it. Again, not my
interpretation of it. This is the city's interpretation of it. I think
when you read the ordinance it's very clear. It simply says no
building shall be allowed to be erected on there. This is clearly a
building and it shouldn't be allowed. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mr. Stempien. Anyone else?
Jeffrey S. Kragt, Esq., Beier Howlett, 200 East Long Lake Road, Suite 110,
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan 48304. I'm one of the attorneys for
McLaren. You've heard from the other side. I would respectfully
request that you consider exactly what you specifically pointed
out, which is the charge today. What Mr. Horton has said and
what Mr. Stempien has said and what Mr. Steel has said, those
are site plan issues. These are not rezoning issues. Whether or
not, as Mr. Stempien just indicated, they could build 15 stories or
however many stories. That's not true. The city has an approved
site plan which controls what is built on that site. And McLaren
has built according to the 2014 site plan. This is not a shell game
going on here. All McLaren is doing is seeking to get . . . the only
reason we're before you is because the Judge in the order, contra
to what Mr. Steel says, Defendant McLaren is directed to follow
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procedures and go through the rezoning process. We're seeking
nothing other than the zoning that was put in place in 2010. While
Mr. Horton and others may not like the building, it is the building
that is approved in the 2014 site plan. So I appreciate you
recognizing this is not a "let's redo the site plan" issue. This is a
zoning issue and I thank you, and I wish you to move it forward
with a positive recommendation to City Council. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
Melissa Wegener, 20445 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm the second
house south of the McLaren project on the west side. The City of
Livonia adopted Ordinance #543, which was written over 40 years
ago, to have a plan to protect the residents and the community.
Article I states that zoning is a plan for the purpose of protecting
public health, safety, morals, convenience, comfort, amenities,
prosperity and general welfare of the community, and of a
wholesome, serviceable and attractive municipality by having
regulations and restrictions that increase the safety and security
of home life, that preserve and create a more favorable
environment in which to rear children, that develop permanent
good citizenships and stabilize and enhance property and civic
values. This plan is to regulate overcrowding of land use and the
master plan of the City of Livonia are the methods of protection
and promoting the general welfare of this community. This was
also enacted to regulate and limit the use of buildings, structures
and land use for trade and industry. It appears to all of us that the
very document the city created means nothing except words on
paper. And you were chosen to serve this Commission to uphold
and enforce this very document. How many of you have been out
to the site in the last couple weeks? Any of you?
Mr. Bahr: I have.
Mr. Wilshaw: I have.
Ms. Wegener: Have you stood on our front porches? Have you stood in our
backyards?
Mr. Morrow: Ma'am.
Ms. Wegener: It's just part of my statement. I'm not asking you to answer the
question. Have you ever tried to sleep during the day when you
work nights and you hear traffic all night with the noise? I look out
my window and I see three Edison, four Edison poles out my front
window. That's really attractive to look at. The sound of constant
traffic we hear. How does a parking deck create a favorable
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environment according to this article? The parking deck will create
even a greater amount of congestion which we already have. We
will see an increase in traffic. Our children can't even play out in
the front yard. If you've got trucks and semis coming down and
cars, you know, the kids can't play out in their own front yards
anymore. They will never be able to play in the yard for fear of
increased truck and traffic. We will see the glare of car lights that
come off that parking deck. There is nothing to block the glare of
the lights coming out of this parking deck. The noise and traffic all
day as people come to work, leave for lunch, return, then go
home as they use this structure. There will be an increase in
pollution with car and truck exhaust, and additional noise besides
what the manufacturing will bring. There are 70 some windows on
the side of the building. I know that doesn't affect this parking
structure, but it's additional lighting which will also come along
with the parking structure. We've endured this for months. What
we really see unfortunately is a disappointment we have in our
city officials who have deceived us regarding this project. You
knew the zoning was wrong. We brought it to your attention and
you continually ignored us. The big business meant more to you
than the community who put you into your position. You protect
the city. That is supposed to be your job. And the residents. It's a
sad disappointment that you don't care about our property, our
privacy, our right to peace and quiet, our children and our quality
of life. The traffic on Hubbard is terrible and it's going to get worse
with this parking. None of this parking exits on Parker. Parker
doesn't have any traffic issues at all. It's all on our street, and I
hope you think about this. I just can't understand why you would
even allow something like that in the community. You've open the
gates for more problems.
Mr. Morrow: Anyone else?
Ralph Martin, 20336 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm at the south side of
McLaren's property. We're kind of rehashing something we did
about five years ago. McLaren, when they asked for the original
parking, we couldn't come to an agreement. The City Council
said, why don't you sit down with them and try to discuss it
between yourselves. Which we did and based on the agreement
we got with McLaren at that time, we allowed parking behind the
wall on the residential area. Also had an agreement that said no
further expansion and that was it. It didn't say a parking
structure. It didn't say buy up the lots on either side so we have
access to more of this property. When the city approved the
zoning to R-3, we questioned that. I called the city attorney and
asked him about this when this 2014 thing came up. What about
the conditional rezoning? He said it means nothing. He said
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they can do whatever they want on their property from border to
border and once you agree to that rezoning, even though it was
conditional, nothing. I said how is that possible? He said they
changed their mind. How can you have a legal contract?
Basically, it's like the old handshake. That was a legal contract,
binding. It doesn't apply anymore. I'd like every one of you to
close your eyes and picture yourself in your backyard enjoying
your yard and then open them up, and look up, and see this
monstrous structure 26 feet from your fence. And your kids out
there playing, maybe going in the pool, having a barbeque. It's
way out of place. The original agreement was, they had three
buildings, one on Hubbard, the one in the center, the main
building, and the other one on Parker. There was no talk about
tearing it down at a cost of I don't know how many millions of
dollars. But they put a quarter of a million dollars into it, painted
it, made it look nice, and then tore it down. They must have got
more money from the state. The next thing that's going on, it's
not a nuisance. It's an invasion of our privacy. That property
was zoned residential in 1969 I think. When McLaren bought it,
it was zoned residential and they tried to rezone it several times
over the years. The City Council said, well McLaren bought the
property. They should be able to use it. The people that adjoin
that property, bought their homes based on the fact that they're
buying a house next to a residential area and it's going to stay
residential. The people that live there are neighbors of
McLaren's, or residents of the city. We ask you guys to
represent us and we feel, since 2010, that hasn't happened at
all. So I asked the city attorney about this conditional rezoning.
He said it doesn't mean anything. Why the hell did you even
have a meeting? If what we say means nothing, why invite us
here?
Mr. Morrow: Well, we don't want to debate that.
Mr. Martin: Well, that's what I feel. I told them last time, I feel because we're
naïve and ignorant or stupid, whatever you want to call it, we
don't know what's going on. But Mr. Horton, luckily he had
enough money to do this, to hire an attorney to find out about it.
And when the courts say it was zoned and it expired, it expired.
The city didn't care about that. I want you guys to think about
the residents of Livonia. I know you've got $16 million you're
spending. A lot of it is State money. And the other thing is, he
wants to widen our street now, which none of this came up. It
reminds me reactively of handling problems rather than
proactively. I appreciate your time and I hope you use this and
this when you make your decision.
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Kathryn Bottaro, 20495 Hubbard Street, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm going to try
to keep it short because I think we're all ready for bed. So I'm
the property right across the street from . . . I'm on Hubbard
Street, the first house. So I'm directly in front of their new
driveway. Obviously, I can see the structure right from my home
and the lights. I've already been pinned in my driveway. I expect
that this will only get worse. Just a whole lot of traffic where I'm
already a bus route. I literally have had to call the police a few
times, 3:00 in the afternoon, the road was just blocked. But it's
construction. Moving on, this is not going to stop. It's just going
to get more hectic for me. It's one of the openings. I know
there's another opening but this is a pretty useable opening for
the 250 or so employees that will be becoming in from another
area. Not the residents in our neighborhood but employees from
a different area. So they'll be using our street and, in fact, as I
heard about the potential opening of the street, but for me, it's a
hazard and danger. It's not only do I have lights . . . but you
know about this. You've known about this when you approved
the structure. But at this point, I have to repeat it though. The
exit way where's it's coming, not only will I have to see the
structure and all the traffic and the lights, but then they also
come out, but they come out in front of house where my
driveway is. Even though they may not be allowed to turn left, I
think that's a possibility, if they turn right, they're still in front of
my driveway. I can't get out. So like I said, there have been
issues of literally my driveway being blocked by trucks at 6:45 in
the morning, unloading. Seriously. And that's going to be the
truck entrance. But I agree. I think the thing for me here today is
this is a new situation. This is not just review what was said
before and go ahead. This was zoned but at this point, it's a
new issue because it is a new situation. But I think my issue is,
City of Livonia is family friendly and community friendly. I don't
see that in this case. I came to these meetings about a year and
half ago. I don't see that it's a family oriented situation going on
here. Thank you.
Mike Folmer: I own the property on Eight Mile Road just west of the
development. I guess the only thing I wanted to say was just
simply this, and that is, is that Kathy had an issue with some
things that were going on in our property about a year or so
again after the baby was born, and she came over. She's really
upset. Actually it was about Christmastime. And I said, we'll, I'm
going to do everything I can to try to solve that. It was an issue
with a tenant and lights at night. They happened to be in the
snow removal business and so consequently it was very
upsetting to her. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, is that to
the best of the city's ability, and I don't know if it comes in the
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form of the development folks or so forth. I know you folks have
got a tough task. I'm sure that the business owner and the folks
at McLaren have spent a lot of time and money doing everything
they can to do it all right. It's disappointing when you happen to
be a resident or another business owner that pays a lot of taxes,
and you find out the city makes a lot of mistakes, but the
mistakes have to be corrected favorably to everybody, and from
that perspective, I just hope that the city can get involved to try
to put together a positive resolution to satisfy everybody. We
had a situation to the west of us where a development went in.
The city engineer didn't take into account the water drainage. It
cost me $10,000 to fix it after the city had put in a dry well
because the city didn't have any money to do it right, but I did it
right. My point is, that I think it's important that this organization
from a planning perspective make the people accountable on
the City Council to try and make things right and help the
business owner, help the neighbors, and create a positive
environment. That's all I have to say.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. I see no one else coming forward. I'm going to close
the public hearing and ask for a motion.
Ms. Smiley: This evening, the request that has been put before us is a
request to rezone a portion of the property at 32233 Eight Mile
Road from R-3, One Family Residential, to Parking. What's on
the Parking is not really our charge tonight. The question tonight
is about rezoning, and I would like to make an approving
resolution to that.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by McIntyre, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-96-2015 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on December 15, 2015,
on Petition 2015-11-01-10 submitted by McLaren Performance
Technologies pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone a
portion of the property at 32233 Eight Mile Road, located on the
south side of Eight Mile Road between Parker Avenue and
Hubbard Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R-3 (One
Family Residential) to P (Parking), without any conditions, the
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 2015-11-01-10 be approved for the
following reasons:
1. That the proposed change of zoning is compatible to and in
harmony with the surrounding uses and zoning districts in
the area;
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2. That the proposed change of zoning would provide for a
transition or buffer zone between residential uses and
more intensive industrial uses in the area;
3. That the proposed change of zoning allows the areas in
question to be developed in accordance with a previously
approved site plan, and,
4. That the proposed change of zoning represents a
reasonable and logical zoning plan for the subject property
which adheres to the principles of sound land use planning.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Wilshaw: Just to reiterate actually what Mrs. Smiley pointed out, which is
that we often say when we're dealing with rezoning petitions
that what's before us is the issue of zoning and zoning alone,
not the site plan or other elements of that particular piece of
property. Those are brought to us in separate proposals. In this
case, we already have seen the site plan for this. We know what
the conditions were for that site plan. Zoning, on the other hand,
rarely is approved with conditions here in the city. It's done as a
change of zoning and then the site plan is where those
conditions are controlled. There were a number of conditions on
the site plan for this parking garage which would prevent it from
becoming 15 stories in height or any other such change. So with
that, we're looking at a rezoning petition. We're looking at it as
zoning only and if that zoning is appropriate for this particular
parcel. Based on that, that's how we need to make our decision.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. I thank everyone for coming tonight.
ITEM #8 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,079TH Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the
Minutes of the 1,079th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting
held on November 17, 2015.
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On a motion by Bahr, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#12-97-2015 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,079th Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on
November 17, 2015, are hereby approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Bahr, Smiley, McIntyre, Wilshaw, Morrow
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Taylor
ABSTAIN: None
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anything else to come before the Commission?
Mr. Bahr: Seeing as this is my last meeting with the Planning Commission
after four and half insightful and educational and enjoyable
years, I just want to thank you as a Commission and Mark
Taormina and Marge and everybody involved, I've got a lot of
things I could thank you for but it's been a wonderful experience
and I'm going to miss working with all you guys. I know we'll see
each other, but just thank you.
Mr. Morrow: I've already considered this like a family. We're happy that
you're moving forward, but we're kind of sad that you're leaving
us. So you'll be sorely missed but I don't think you're going to
move out of town, so we'll be seeing each other, but both you
and Kathleen have been a tremendous asset to the Planning
Commission during my tenure. I appreciate that very much.
Ms. McIntyre: I'd just like to say that it's been a tremendous honor to serve on
this Commission, not only because of the nature of the work that
we do, but I've learned, like Scott has. I've been here a little bit
less time but I moved from the Zoning Board, the tremendous
work of Mark and the staff, just consummate professionalism,
always there to help us, and I've learned so much from my
fellow Commissioners, from the Chair, the way you conduct the
meetings with fairness and always a sense of integrity in getting
the job done. So thank you and I guess you guys are sending
some business over to us.
Mr. Morrow: You'll have a full plate.
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Ms. McIntyre: We appreciate the employment security, so thank you for that.
Mr. Morrow: I almost felt guilty about all the things we've done for the city.
What's that old song, Breaking Up is Hard To do, but I guess
we've got to.
Mr. Taormina: Mr. Chairman, I too, would like to thank both Kathleen and Scott
for their efforts over the years serving on the Commission. It's
been a real pleasure. And I'll get to see as much of them as I
have in the past couple years which is great. This is a first. I
can't recall when two commissioners have moved up to the
Council like this. From my perspective, it is very good.
Mr. Morrow: We appreciate that.
Mr. Wilshaw: I would be remiss in not commenting as well that both Mr. Bahr
and Ms. McIntyre have been excellent members on the
Planning Commission. They do their homework. They study the
issues. This is unprecedented in having two of them leave at the
same time. It's a shame but they are going on to bigger and
better things. I wish them very well in that. This is also a special
meeting in the sense that this is the last one of the year. So I
certainly wish our viewing audience and the citizens of Livonia a
Happy Holiday and we look forward to a new year with some
new commissioners hopefully coming soon and we'll start this
all over again.
Ms. Smiley: I'm going to say Merry Christmas. You've both been a gift. I
appreciate passing it on to City Council. They're lucky to have
you. Merry Christmas Livonia.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,080th Public
Hearings and Regular Meeting held on December 15, 2015, was adjourned at
10:23 p.m.
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