HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2016-01-26 MINUTES OF THE 1,082nd PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia held its 1,082nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City
Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: Glen W. Long R. Lee Morrow Carol A. Smiley
Gerald Taylor Ian Wilshaw
Members absent: None
Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, and Ms. Margie Watson, Program
Supervisor, were also present.
Chairman Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the
City Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If
a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective
seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the
professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The
staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions,
which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the
proceedings tonight.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2015-12-01-13 MICHIGAN PROPERTY
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2015-12-
01-13 submitted by Michigan Property Group, L.L.C. pursuant to
Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, requesting to rezone the property at 28900
Schoolcraft Road, located on the north side of Schoolcraft Road
between Inkster and Middlebelt Roads in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 24, from C-2 to M-1.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to rezone property from C-2, General
Business, to M-1, Light Manufacturing. The property is located
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on the north side of Schoolcraft Road approximately one-quarter
mile east of Middlebelt Road. The size of the parcel is 5.5 acres.
It includes roughly 846 feet of frontage along Schoolcraft and
has an average depth of 285 feet. This is the site of the former
Cloverlanes bowling alley which opened in 1962 and closed last
year. The bowling alley building contains a gross floor area of
approximately 60,000 square feet. Looking immediately to the
east of this site are a variety of commercial and office uses,
zoned C-2, General Business, the same classification of the
bowling alley. To the west is the Henry Ford Medical Center
which is zoned C-2 as well. To the north are residential homes
that are part of the Mar-Git Subdivision No.2, zoned R-1, one
family residential. To the south is Schoolcraft Road and the 1-96
Expressway. The reason for the rezoning is to construct an
indoor, climate-controlled self-storage facility and utilize the
surplus parking lot space area for outdoor storage of
recreational vehicles. The indoor self-storage building would
replace the existing bowling alley. The structure would sit
roughly where the bowling alley exists today. It would be two-
stories in height and contain a gross floor area of roughly
116,000 square feet, and that includes both levels of the facility.
Between the proposed self-storage facility and the property's
west lot line, the conceptual plan shows a small outdoor paved
storage lot with a total of 17 covered RV parking stalls. Each
parking space would be protected by an open-sided RV or
carport. The larger RV storage lot is shown on the east half of
the property. This area contains a total of 39 covered parking
stalls in a "U"-shaped arrangement. The covered RV-ports on
this side of the property measure roughly 12 feet by 50 feet. The
lot and RV storage areas would be fully enclosed by a 6 foot
high fence and access to the site would be controlled via a
gated entrance that would be centrally-located along the site's
frontage on Schoolcraft. There would be a controlled access or
exit gate located on the west side of the building. The Future
Land Use Plan currently shows this property as General
Commercial. With that, Mr. Chairman, I can read out the
departmental correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Yes, please read it.
Mr. Taormina: There is one item of correspondence from the Engineering
Division, dated January 8, 2016, which reads as follows: "In
accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has
reviewed the above referenced petition. We have no objections
to the proposed rezoning at this time. The included legal
description that was included with the petition appears to be
correct and should be used in conjunction with this petition. (The
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legal description included with the drawing is missing
information and should not be used.) The existing property is
assigned an address of 28900 Schoolcraft Road. The included
drawings do not indicate any existing or proposed utility
information, but this office has been in contact with the owner to
discuss requirements for the proposed renovations. The lot is
currently serviced with public storm and sanitary sewer, and
water main." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E.,
Assistant City Engineer. We received a letter dated January 13,
2016, which reads as follows: "Dear Planning Commission
Board, I, Georgina Lebbos, the owner of 28473 Gita, don't
agree and will vote against changing the indicated property on
the other side of this sheet to M-1. We have kids and love this
area. Please keep it as business unless you want this part of
Livonia residents to move out and relocate. No to M-1." The
letter is signed by Georgina Lebbos. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Seeing none,
is the petitioner here? We will need your name and address for
the record please.
Ernie D'Ascenzo, Michigan Property Group, L.L.C., 34355 Glouster Circle,
Farmington Hills, Michigan 48331. We're here tonight to
recognize the concerns both for the neighbors and the
community and the City of Livonia. We believe the concept that
we have works really well for the community. I'll go through that
in a minute and show it to you. I just want to introduce you to a
couple of my other partners. Jeff Johnson. I just want to speak
and give you a little background. This is our team.
Jeff Johnson, Safety Mini Storage, 2610 Dawes, Shelby Township, Michigan.
We've done over a million square feet of mini-storage between
building and owning them, and have a couple sites that come to
mind real quick that have had residential situations like this, and
we've had absolutely no problems with them. We dealt with the
community. We love dealing with communities and the
neighbors. We interact with them very well. I've personally gone
to the neighborhood and talked to the majority of people and
have had great support with that. I believe some of them are
here now. We'll get into that later on, but again, thank you for
your time.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: And then I'd like to introduce Kelly Denha. Me and Kelly are
partners are some other real estate that we've done in the past.
When I originally saw the bowling alley in the condition it was, I
work with a number of different banks to clean up property like
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this, and so the bank kind of tossed it out to me and approached
me on it. I did a little homework on it, and then knowing that
Kelly's family's party store is close by, I went and talked to him,
and said, hey, give me some background on this and what have
you. With that being said, Kelly went through the project with me
and then after that, he said, can I get involved with you guys.
Well, we were already previously involved in other parcels on
different parts of town. So I'm going to let Kelly speak.
Kelly Denhas, Wine Palace, 13971 Middlebelt, Livonia, Michigan 48154. My
family has owned the Wine Palace for 32 years. And Ernie, my
friend and partner, when he approached me and he was visiting
Livonia a while ago, okay, what do you have going on. And he
showed me the parcel. I was gung ho about it because I think
the bowling alley is an eyesore. I told him that I would not put
my reputation on line here in the City of Livonia, I've been here
for 32 years, if I don't like the project. And I saw it. I saw the
renderings. He alleviated a lot of my concerns because I live in
Livonia, not technically, but I do. I spend 12 hours a day here,
and I like developments that make Livonia clean and nice and
just think it's a fantastic project because it eliminates a lot of the
crime element. I don't want a bar there because of the location.
And where the hotel is, if you talk to Livonia Police, and I do
daily, they have to make runs to the bowling alley a lot and to
America's Best Hotel. So I think this project, short hours,
beautiful building, it looks like an office building, easy use,
closed at 8:00 at night. It meets the criteria of a nice
development in Livonia and I like it. Ernie and I have been
partners for at least 20 years. We developed a CVS together in
Shelby Township. I approached him on that one and I brought
him in because there was only one person that could clean up
that site. There was a gas station with contamination, and he
went through hoops with EPA and everything to get everything
perfect. By the way, it's one of the busiest CVS's in the State of
Michigan. He took a junky car wash and what he did to it,
absolutely amazing. When he says he going to do something,
he does it, and I'm vouching for him. I've been here for 32 years
and proud to be in Livonia doing business for 32 years. I'm
excited to get involved with this project. If there's any questions,
I'll give it back to Ernie.
Mr. Morrow: You've heard the presentation. Is there anything you'd like to
add to it?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: I put together a quick slide show. I don't want to get too in depth
but I just want to let the panel know what we went through in the
process. I'm a commercial developer by trade. I brought the first
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Chipotles to Michigan, the second Pei Wei, new companies
coming to the State of Michigan. There have been concerns on
this site with the highest and best use of the site. When you see
the site up there, it's on the north side of 96. There's no other
retail in the middle of the block other than the ends on the north
bound of 96. All the retail is down on the south side. So if you're
McDonalds, you always want to be by Burger King, Taco Bell.
There's a co-tenancy that works within that. So we looked at
that because the site is six acres. So we said maybe we could
do a development, but we can't find any co-tenancies because
there's no retail on the north side. Additionally, when you look at
the freeway exit off of 1-96, it's after the site itself. So you'd have
to go all the way down, turn around and come back. It would be
very hard to put any type of impulse or any type of traffic pattern
as far as commercial real estate would go. If we could go to the
next slide please, Mark. With that being said, I know there was
talk of a hotel on site at one time. There's currently a new hotel
going in at the southeast corner of Inkster and 96, and I
believed there's proposed two more hotels going just south of
this on the south side of 96. That would put five hotels and
there's a hotel next door of the parcel. That would put five hotels
within that one mile radius. Additional, if I was the neighbors and
it was my house and I do look at that when I develop, I don't just
look at what I want to do but there has to be a feel for the
neighborhood and the community. Whatever I've developed,
I've never sold. I own everything I've developed. With that being
said, if there was a hotel there and I was the neighbor behind
that hotel, I wouldn't be real happy because it is 24 hours of
constant traffic. What we're looking to do is, because of the
neighborhood and because of the location, is something very
low impact to the neighborhood. We considered all these things
for highest and best use. With that being said, this is a picture of
the building. To some degree, you have an obsolete piece of
property based on the location as far as it being commercial or
retail. And you also have a building that's obsolete that was, in
its heyday, probably a beautiful bowling alley. It was a beautiful
thing. But in today's standard, there's no way to redevelop this
building the way it's structurally engineered and the way it is, but
there are, as Mark stated, utilities there, water mains there. All
the major necessities are there to redevelop this parcel. This
building is almost 45 feet tall. This is from the back of the
neighborhoods, back of the houses there. Our development
would be two stories but it wouldn't even be this high. The next
shot is a rendering of what we propose. It's a very vanilla
building. We can dress it up; we can dress it down. It's two
stories. The building is 58,000 square feet on the footprint. Two
stories is 116,000 square feet. It basically looks like an office
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building. It's very soft. Glass windows. So if you see where the
garage is in the middle of the building there, and to the left,
you'll see the double doors, which is where the office is. So
conceptually, you would go into the office, handle your
paperwork, and then you'd pull up to the garage door once your
paperwork was handled, and there's a keypad there. You'd hit
the keypad and you could drive into the building. This puts you
secure in the building, out of the environment and secure
because both garage doors are shut. Seventy percent of
decision making on self-storage is made by women. For this
reason here where they feel secure, it works really well. I know
there's a lot of storage places around, but they're done in row
garages. It's outside in the climate. It has security issues, all
kinds of traffic, what have you. This is done within the building.
Very low impact. This is the overall of the property. Again, the
footprint is going to be the existing building so we're not
changing anything. We're using the same footprint. The property
to the right there, which is all the parking lot, we would like to do
outdoor storage with recreational vehicle parking. Now most of
that is seasonal parking. So you park your RV in the winter, you
come back and get it out in the spring. It's very low impact. Very
limited traffic. This is it on the site plan here. What this creates
with the outdoor parking there, with the carports and the RV
ports, it creates a buffer between the sound of the freeway and
the sound of the service drive and the lighting that comes off the
freeway. So this creates a great buffer between the residential
and the street and the freeway. With that being there, you hold
that sound back. You hold all the light back, and again, it's
seasonal parking. It's boats in the wintertime, RV's and then
they come in and out. This is the rendering and this kind of
shows the carports, RV carports, recreational vehicle parking.
The height is 14 feet tall. The back wall currently on the property
is between 8 and 9 feet tall. So this is a little bit taller but what it
does, again, is it takes that light and that sound and keeps it
forward and not into the houses behind. This is one we've
worked on in Plymouth and just finished. Very soft looking
building. It looks like an office building. It's mostly all brick and
block. We usually do a little bit of E.I.F.S. just for accent or to
dress it up a little bit. Again, you can see the office right there,
the double doors in the middle and you can see the garage to
the left. This is the building a little bit up closer. So again, you
can see the block; you can see the windows. It's very soft. It's
not stand out hard. This is where you walk into the office. You
walk in, see Bob there at the desk, do your paperwork. Bob
would give you a tour of the facility, explain how it works. You
can see above Bob in the back. You can see the cameras and
all the pictures are up there. Everything is recorded outside,
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inside, secured. To the left we have P.O. Boxes for businesses
to have a P.O. Box. On the far right, we have conference rooms.
So we find a lot of people working from their house, which this
helps relieve this. Medical reps. So they'd have their stuff stored
in a five-by-five. They pick up their mail. They can go to the
conference room. They can make calls. They can do what they
want. They can go to their unit and get whatever they're getting,
salesmen what have you, and it takes some of that business
stuff out of the neighborhood and gives it a place to do
business. We get great reception from this. So once you're
finished with Bob, you have your keypad and you can see the
keypad is on the left up there by the poles, punch in your
keypad, the garage door opens and you can drive in. When you
drive in, you pull over to the left. Again, you're in a secured
area. It's climate controlled. It's vented for carbon monoxide.
There's alarms. There's fans. Everything is on automated stuff,
and it's very clean and secure. So you unload your stuff from
the car and then you can go down the hallway to the elevators
and go to the second floor or down the hallway to unload. In the
concept that we have, there would be three main hallways
running north and south and you just roll to those hallways and
unload your stuff in your locker or in your unit. So here on the
left is the elevator, here's the carts, here's the hallways. You
can see the hallway looks dim. As you walk down the hallway,
the motion detectors kick on and all the lights turn on. After you
leave, 10 minutes after you leave, they turn off. Again, secured,
cameras, everything. This is the RVs and we're looking for
Class A RVs. We're not looking for the broke down tires and all
that. We don't want to do that. We're looking for Class A boats,
RVS, recreational vehicles, those types of things. So this is,
don't know if you can read this. I'll read it. It's a little fuzzy. It
says, by the Self-Storage Association of America, overall, as
indicated in the current self-storage almanac, the average
number of vehicles entering a typical facility is 21.1 cars per
day. So basically, 21 cars on average are what's going to be on
that site. That's how low impact it is. The other one is, the U.S.
Self-Storage Facilities pay a total of $3.25 billion in property
taxes to local government agencies. Nine and a half percent of
all households have a rental unit or rent a unit. Eight percent of
the public has a recreational vehicle of some type. I don't know
if you can read the very end there. This is one of the receivers.
Like I said, I work with a number of the banks, a number of the
receivers, and I'm just going to read the bottom there. On June
8, this is from the receiver. On June 8 I took over the property
and I've entertained offers and other purchases, all of which
have displayed little promise of any ability to close the sale with
the exception of Ernie D'Ascenzo. Mr. D'Ascenzo has invested
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resources, time and energy into what appears to be a promising
development opportunity for Livonia on this difficult site. I
support his plan and hope the City of Livonia shares my
enthusiasm. Mark also mentioned to mention some of the
people in the municipalities that I've worked with. I've worked
with Bill Wild, the Mayor of Westland. I've worked with Carlos
Santee, both at the Wayne County Road Commission and both
as a planner at Clinton Township, and we currently had the
same project going on with another bowling alley in Clinton
Township. I've worked with Steve Cassin, who is the Planner for
Macomb County. I've worked with Mike Viazanko, the City of
Sterling Heights. We've done some developments out there and
own some shopping centers. Back in the day, I worked with Mr.
Leo Snage quite a bit at the City of Redford. Back in the day we
worked with Skip Marone in Shelby Township, was the CVS that
Kelly referred to. My understanding of going from C-2 to M-1,
the concerns of the one letter that was written is probably more
of a concern because there's that fear of the unknown of we're
going to put a stamping plant in, we're going to put some type of
industrial development in and what have you. That's not what
we want to do and we want to go from C-2 to M-1 along with the
statement of conditions. It would be used only for climate
controlled indoor storage, storing of recreational vehicles only,
operational hours from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Class A facility
both interior and exterior and control of lighting as to not migrate
into the residential neighborhood. Those are the biggest
concerns that we saw. We're willing to work with the City of
Livonia if there's other concerns we haven't recognized or we
haven't thought of, both for the community and the neighbors
and for the City of Livonia. That's about all I have. We're open to
any questions, support, anything we can help that there's a
concern with.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Mrs. Smiley?
Ms. Smiley: I was wondering what can be stored there and how do you know
what they're storing there?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: In the contract, we have conditions within the contract what can
be stored there. Jeff is more or less the operational guy.
Mr. Johnson: We're very aware of the neighborhood and all that. So typically
what we store is no hazardous materials, no gasoline, no open
containers and it's pretty much standard in the industry as well.
It's in the contracts as well, what they can bring in, what they
can't bring in. It's very explicit.
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Mr. D'Ascenzo: Sixty seven percent of the customers are household, 26 percent
are condos and apartments and 16 percent are businesses.
That's the breakdown. So most of it is household items. It is in
the contract. No chemicals, nothing like that. No band can rent a
unit and practice in there. You see all kinds of it, but it's all in our
contract. It's just normal storage.
Ms. Smiley: I just want to confirm your hours of operation and what kind of
personnel are on site.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: Our hours of operation are 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. We usually
have anywhere from two to three people on site. Initially, when
we first open, we have our office manager, and we also have a
couple people around to help people unload and help them get
their stuff to their unit to help them out once they're there. But
other than that, we have our maintenance crews that go by
weekly and take care of all our own stuff. We manage all our
own properties. Normally, there would be one to three people
there.
Mr. Johnson: We clean our sites daily. We recognize the outdoor situation.
We pick up any bottles or papers. We clean that continuously.
It's around the clock cleaning in that sense, both inside and out.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: And again, everything is on camera.
Ms. Smiley: Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Just a couple questions. The photograph of the facility that you
showed us in Plymouth, where is that located?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: I can get the address for you. Ann Arbor and Lilley.
Mr. Wilshaw: Ann Arbor and Lilley. Okay.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: I don't know the address.
Mr. Wilshaw: The appearance of it looks like it's similar in appearance to what
you're proposing here conceptually. So I want to take a look at
that.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: And that's not our site. That's conceptual just so you can have
an idea of what it would look like.
Mr. Wilshaw: Sure. I understand.
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Mr. Johnson: We poured some of the concrete there. We have our own
concrete crews. It's a friend of ours. We helped them pour some
of the concrete.
Mr. Wilshaw: That's fine. I appreciate that. And the other question for you is,
we're dealing with a rezoning so we can't dig too deep into the
site plan type issues because this isn't a site plan. This is all just
conceptual, but just to understand, you have an area that you're
proposing would be covered RV parking. What would you do
with the space in the middle of that section? Would that be
outdoor storage of items as well?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: Yes. Covered has a premium price and then regular parking
outdoors without the cover has another price. So in the middle
of that would just be parking. No covered parking. But again, it's
contained within itself, and I agree with you, it's not a full site
plan. This is on the east side of the property. On the west side
of the property, we would like to do the same thing to a certain
degree so that you have the buffer on the residential on the
west side there. So we would like to put those against the back
of the property so you have a buffer on the residential and then
same thing coming down the side so that you have that buffer
so it keeps it nice and quiet and the light stays out.
Mr. Wilshaw: If we get to the site plan, we'll get into those details of the layout
and so on. My other question to you is, you gave us a statistic
based on national averages of vehicles that come in and off the
property on a daily basis. Mr. Johnson, based on your
experience operating these facilities, how many vehicles per
day would you expect to come in and out of a facility like this
one?
Mr. Johnson: On this particular site, we calculated about 75 vehicles would be
on it. Again, once they come in, they pretty much stay.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: He's referring to daily traffic.
Mr. Johnson: Oh, daily traffic. The average is 20 to 30 cars on a daily basis,
but again, once the site is full, the traffic is really cut down and
that's very low impact at that number as well, 20 to 30 vehicles.
Mr. Wilshaw: Definitely, for a commercial facility it would be. All right. That's
all I have for now.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: Just to let the board know, we did go through the neighborhood
and spoke to a number of the neighbors. I didn't get the name of
the lady that wrote the letter, but I'm sure there's a little bit of the
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fear of the unknown because that was the response we had. M-
1 is stamping and it's industrial. But again, we read the
stipulation and we have no problem and we're open to any of
those too.
Mr. Taylor: Did you happen to have anything to do with the new storage unit
on Lilley and Ann Arbor Road?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: No. We just poured some of the concrete.
Mr. Johnson: Actually, not at that location.
Mr. Taylor: Again, like I told you at our study meeting, I don't have any
problem with the building you want to put up. It looks great, but I
do have a problem with outside storage of cars in that particular
area, and the problem we've got is M-1 zoning. Unfortunately,
Livonia doesn't have any kind of a waiver use for C-2 where we
might be able to put something like this in. If we get through this
all right, I'm going to ask the Council to take a look at that where
it could be a waiver use in a C-2 zoning, the type of facility you
want to put in. But again, I have a problem with the outside
storage. I just don't think that fits on Schoolcraft in that particular
area. Hopefully, I don't know what's going to happen, but like I
say, the building you're putting up looks like an office building.
It's great, but I just can't help not voting for an M-1 zoning in that
particular area, mainly because of what can happen after. You
can put a stipulation that only that will go there, but then we
have a fight in court, maybe, because of that. Well, it was that
way before and why can't it be now? A question through the
Chair to Mark, you were going to find out how many storage
businesses we have in Livonia. Did you ever do that?
Mr. Taormina: I did do that and I apologize if I did not forward it to you. An
inventory of existing RV storage lots is something that we've
recently compiled. I believe there are six with the seventh one
under consideration right now. The six existing RV storage lots
are mostly concentrated in the industrial portion of Livonia.
There's one along Eight Mile, but the others are mostly
concentrated along Inkster Road and Stark Road. I don't show
all of the mini-storage units. There are some on Eight Mile
Road. Those are similarly located in the industrial belt as well as
along Eight Mile Road. There's a couple of mini storage facilities
and, of course, the one that we just recently approved at the
corner of Eight Mile and Grand River.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mark.
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Mr. Taormina: Those are not climate controlled. I just want to point those out.
The majority of those are of a single story nature with customer
access available from the exterior of the units. We do have one
climate controlled facility that I can think of at Merriman and
Schoolcraft.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: If I could recognize your concerns real quick. Number one, this
is a new concept per se for self-storage. It's not the row of
garages. So when you say self-storage and you look at that, this
is a new concept. It works much better and more efficient and
it's climate controlled. Most of them aren't climate controlled.
They are just garages you store stuff in. Number two, we did do
all of our own feasibility studies before we even considered this
and there is a shortage of RV parking. And there is shortage of
climate controlled storage. Almost every climate controlled
storage you have in the City of Livonia is 100 percent or 95
percent full currently. Additionally, with the RV, I understand the
concerns and we will stipulate to RV only, no heavy machinery,
no trucks, none of that. We will stipulate to recreational vehicles
only, plated, tired, what have you. Additionally, I've never sold
anything we've built. This isn't the type of building Class A that
we intend to put up to sell, but I understand the concerns, but
even when we stipulate to that, we stipulate it for that use for
that zoning. Thank you.
Mr. Long: Just a couple quick questions. You said that the wall in the back
of the property is 8 or 9 feet, but the top of the carports will be
14 feet.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: Correct.
Mr. Long: So what happens in that gap then? You have five or six feet in
there. Will the carport bend down over that? Will the residents
get a view of the windshield of the recreational vehicle? How
does that work?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: It would be metal. It would be the same metal that's on the roof
that would come down to meet the wall all the way across.
Again, that's the sound and the lighting barrier that would stop
the traffic from, you know, the sound or the lighting from the
freeway or the service drive.
Mr. Long: And then the other question that I had was, you mentioned
earlier that it's in the contracts that you can't bring hazardous
materials into the facility. How is that enforced? Are your
employees watching for that when people are unloading? I
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mean, it's fine that it's in the contract, but what's to stop
somebody?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: Again, everything is on camera and everything is recorded.
Cameras are great because you can see that, and also it's a
great way to help and train employees because we can see
everything from our cell phones or from our offices too. So it's
great to say to the employee, hey, you didn't catch that. Hey,
you missed that. So we do reviews on all our own stuff too, but
that's exactly right. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Any other questions? Is there anybody in the audience that
wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition?
Mr. D'Ascenzo: If you have any others questions, I'd love to recognize them.
Martin Van de Velde, 28658 Buckingham Avenue, Livonia, Michigan 48154. I'd
like to speak on behalf of Mr. Johnson. I appreciate the fact that
he actually walked through our neighborhood on a very cold
day, went door to door to door to door to every resident. My
house is actually on the north side of Buckingham Street.
However, I put up for the last 12 years all the things that went
on at that bowling alley. Gun shots, domestics, cars running into
each other, cars out in the parking lot doing donuts. At one point
two years ago, I even went to my neighbors houses, got a
petition. Sat down with Mr. Taig at the Police Department and
said, hey look, you guys got to understand when we call the
police that we can't see what's going on, we can only hear it. So
that was one my concerns was the lighting issue, which you
already answered. So that's a good thing. One of the other
concerns was the wall. I beg to differ on that point because at
some spots the wall might be four feet tall, that wall might be
eight feet tall. I don't know who the wall belongs to but it's falling
down in some places. We've had people climb over that wall.
We've had people throw beer bottles, syringes, you name it over
that wall. We've had people enter people's houses coming over
that wall. So that's one of our concerns is either a bigger wall or
a wall that meets . . . it sounded like the wall is actually going to
meet the roof, so that's a good point. But I know it's slanted at
certain points where the height is much different in other places,
and there's also places on that wall where there's actually bricks
falling out. So that's my big concern. Mr. Taylor's concern about
what kind of business should go there. This sounds like the
ideal thing for the people that live here because that bowling
alley, or whatever business that could possibly go there, the
bowling alley let out at 11:00 and people just hang out in the
parking lot until 2:00 a.m. in the morning. I mean, this place is
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going to close at 8:00. Everybody is going to be gone. It's going
to be locked up. Sounds like a pretty good deal to us. My last
point is to the person who lives on Gita and complained about
this. That road is not even near this place. It's in the
neighborhood, but you see the addresses on Buckingham.
That's the people that should have the say, not somebody who
lives around the corner and down the street. That's about it.
Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you for your comments. Is there anyone else? It would
speed things you if you could come down and sit by the podium.
Jeanne Boron, 28705 Buckingham Avenue, Livonia, Michigan 48154. I am
directly behind the bowling alley right now on the corner of it. I
can see the parking lot, see Schoolcraft. I have lived there since
'71. My husband and I got married. We bought a house there.
We have had nothing but trouble. I have called the cops I think
about 20 times. Recently, we heard gun shots there a few years
back. My mother-in-law lived down behind the back of the
bowling alley. There was a disturbance between a man and
woman, gun shots. They jumped the wall. They beat on her
bedroom window. She was by herself and scared her half to
death. This has happened repeatedly. We've had people jump
the wall. We've had kids walking on the wall. My own yard is
with a wall and we complained several times to have them fix it.
There's cracks everywhere. It's wobbling. There was a hole this
big in it now. For about five, six years we complained to the City
about it. They just plastered it up two years ago. I've been in
touch with the bowling alley owner. Nothing was done to fix it.
We've had garbage thrown over. When we moved in, seven of
us owners from the bowling alley down toward Middlebelt paid
$200. That was cheap then. To have it raised two bricks
because when they walked by, it was like this low. They just see
everything you're doing. I've had people throw beer bottles over
the wall while I'm doing gardening when I had gardens. But we
have had pretty nasty deeds going on behind there on the
bowling alley, cussing, swearing, screaming, fighting, squealing
of tires. The police have come to my house several times asking
me what was going on, and we told them. There was guns
several times, bullets, and it is scary. It's very scary, and we've
had a lot of fights in the alley. I'm not on the alley as much as
the other people, but I'm close to it. And I want to know what
they will do about fixing our wall. We have asked them. They did
fix part of it maybe 15 years ago, but they stopped at a certain
area. My wall, you can actually see through the cracks. I'd like
that taken care of and if kids do start running across there like
they did 25 years ago, it is wobbling. And I want to know how
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much clearance there is between the wall and where the
buildings will be.
Mr. Morrow: Let me respond to you right now. This is a question of zoning
tonight. Should this petition prevail, they will have to come back
with a site plan. At that time, the condition of the wall, the height
of the wall, the distance between the wall and the structure, all
those things will be addressed. But this is just a rezoning
request. If it goes through, then it will be followed by a site plan
where all the details you heard the Engineering Department,
they've got a lot of questions about it, which they will have
eventually, but right now it's just zoning.
Ms. Boron: And we were wondering too, if there is an alley behind there, will
they have like speed bumps or something like that in case
people do speed through there? I talked to the neighbors right
behind the bowling alley and one of their concerns was the big
air conditioning unit that is there now. They can't even sit out in
their backyards barbequing for only about an hour when that
thing would come on it was so loud. Just wondering how they're
going . . .
Mr. Morrow: As you've observed and heard, we're dealing with professionals
in this business. Your concerns, I'm sure, are their concerns. I
doubt if speed bumps would be required based on the use
they're proposing, but again, that can come up at the
appropriate time.
Ms. Boron: I'm a little bit more settled with the idea of having the storage
rather than, I heard at one time that the bowling alley guy was
saying the owner was saying something about it was going to
be like a recreational place for kids and families, which we were
dreading, but I'm kind of like for this project if they would steer
our way a little bit and do a couple things. Other than that, I'm
pleased with it.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much for your comments. Anyone else?
Tony Randazzo, 28655 Buckingham Avenue, Livonia, Michigan 48154. Our
property abuts the bowling alley and the parking lot area right
now. What I've heard tonight, I like what I've heard as far as the
conceptual site plan goes. I think this is a better alternative than
most uses that could come to this property so I think that's a
positive. Most of my concerns are site plan related and we
talked about the wall. The wall is definitely my concern as it is in
disrepair and that's just something to think about going forward.
The gentleman mentioned something about an 8 or 9 foot wall.
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It's no more than four feet and there's holes in it and so forth.
The only other concern I have is with the RV storage, what type
of setback there will be for those RV ports and, once again, I
know we're getting into the site plan, but as far as this project
goes as presented tonight, I am for it. I think it's a much better
alternative than some of the uses that could come to this
property. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Anyone else?
Ron Rozen, 28631 Buckingham Avenue, Livonia, Michigan 48154. I've been a
resident there longer than a lot of these guys. Anyway, I agree
with the planning, but I understand this is a zoning for the
property itself. But before we approve this, we'd still like some
answers on how far these storage units on the outside are going
to be from the wall. I know the people have discussed all the
things in the past that's happened at the bowling alley, which
has been a disaster and we begged and pleaded and whatever,
and I do agree this will probably be better than some things that
could happen. But before I can say I'm approving it, I heard
somebody say, and maybe they can answer the question, and I
know this goes before the actual planning of it, but how far are
these storage units going to be from the wall? I'm sure that
could be answered. The other question is, since the Wine
Palace is involved, are we going to get a free case of beer?
Mr. Morrow: You can work that out on the way out.
Mr. Rozen: But that's my only concern. Now, I'm sure there's some
preliminary things they're showing on that plan. We don't want it
right up against our property. Now how much of a buffer is in
between and I didn't understand what he's talking about a
buffer. Well, a buffer is usually a hunk of dirt or wall blocking
whatever. Now I don't understand and I'd like you to explain
what kind of buffer or how far these storage units are going to
be from the actual property line from the wall. The only question
I have before we approve this, 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. that's fine.
Now, if anybody is in there, now somebody has an RV, what
happens if they want to spend the night in there? Parties
happen. Is this going to be Livonia Police going to kick them out
or how is this going to be patrolled?
Mr. Morrow: Again, that's kind of getting into the site plan.
Mr. Rozen: Yes, I understand that.
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Mr. Morrow: The petitioner has asked to come forward and respond to some
of the comments he's heard tonight. So he will be invited back
to the podium and if he chooses, he can address that if he's got
the plans finalized.
Mr. Rozen: Oh, I understand this is a preliminary thing.
Mr. Morrow: That's exactly right.
Mr. Rozen: We can never predict the future, but all in all, it's better than
what could be in there.
Mr. Morrow: We like to cut our citizens as much slack as we can give them.
We'll see if he will respond to that.
Mr. Rozen: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anyone else wishing to speak from the audience? If you
could just come down and take a seat closer to the podium to
help speed things up a little bit.
Shannon Randazzo, 28655 Buckingham Avenue, Livonia, Michigan 48154. The
property abuts up to the wall of where the old Cloverlanes was.
believe that what's been proposed tonight or what we're looking
at is more appealing than what has been there. As a mother of a
five year old and a one year old, that has been very difficult
living behind Cloverlanes with syringes being found in my
backyard, with beer bottles and things like that and having to not
let your child go out freely outside to play in the backyard. So if
we're going to look at the big picture of this and the security, the
quietness, the less worry of gun shots, which unfortunately I
was present alone with my one year old when that happened.
For me, I am more for this and I appreciate the things that
they're trying to propose. So hopefully this is something that the
Council will consider and move forward with in a positive
forward motion for the City of Livonia and for us as a community
as well. I think we deserve to have Livonia start building
stronger and keep your citizens inside the city. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anyone else wishing to speak. I see no one else coming
forward, so Ernie you could please come to the podium.
Mr. D'Ascenzo: If I could real quick again, when we get to site plan, we'd be
willing to work. I know the wall is a concern. I think I spoke out
of our concept was to have the wall eight feet high, clean the
wall up and then have the carports come down to the wall to
meet the wall so that they had that quiet area. Currently right
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now, the cars park against the wall. That's how the parking is
set up. So we were looking at setting the carports up the same
way. I know there was discussion with Mr. Taylor concerning the
outdoor parking. Again, we stipulate RV only, got to be plated,
no flat tires, all that stuff, Class A. With that being said, and
know there was some talk of rezoning a portion of it based on
this stipulation and possibly keeping the outdoor storage area
as C-2. If we do keep that as C-2, then we're looking at
restaurants, some type of retail that has hours a lot more than
what we would have I would think. We really feel this is a very
low impact for the neighborhood and a great buffer from the
street and from the sound and noise. I thank you for your time
tonight.
Mr. Morrow: As one Commissioner, I just want to make a couple comments
here. I think the concept that I've seen here tonight, I'm pretty
much in favor of, but I have two concerns. One is spot zoning,
which this would be dropping a manufacturing district in a
commercial residential area, and secondly, as we talked at the
study, to give us some protection on what would be used that
M-1 zoning for, would require conditions. As one Commissioner,
I don't feel it's my prerogative as a commissioner to condition
zoning. It's either the right zoning or not the right zoning. So as I
pick up the gavel, I'm going to ask for a motion. I wanted to get
those remarks on the record before the motion is made.
Mr. Taylor: I'm going to ask for a tabling motion because of the reason I told
you. I think we should hold a public hearing and send it on to the
Council as to whether we should have something like this as a
waiver use in a C-2 zone. I'm asking for tabling.
On a motion by Taylor, it was
RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on January 26, 2016, on
Petition 2015-12-01-13 submitted by Michigan Property Group,
L.L.C. pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone the property
at 28900 Schoolcraft Road, located on the north side of
Schoolcraft Road between Inkster and Middlebelt Roads in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 24, from C-2 (General Business) to M-
1 (Light Manufacturing), the Planning Commission does hereby
table this item.
Mr. Morrow: Do we have a second? The tabling fails for lack of support. I'll
ask for another motion.
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Mr. Wilshaw: This is going to be a difficult resolution to offer because I think
before us we have a developer and a team of people who are
very skilled in what they're doing. I think they're offering a very
good proposal to the community at this particular location which,
as the residents have pointed out, has had a history of issues.
I'm going to offer a denying resolution on the rezoning of this
property, and I'll speak to that a little bit more after the vote if
that's okay, Mr. Chair.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#01-06-2016 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on January 26, 2016, on
Petition 2015-12-01-13 submitted by Michigan Property Group,
L.L.C. pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone the property
at 28900 Schoolcraft Road, located on the north side of
Schoolcraft Road between Inkster and Middlebelt Roads in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 24, from C-2 (General Business) to M-
1 (Light Manufacturing), the Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2015-12-01-13 be
denied for the following reasons:
1. That the anticipated industrial use would unduly tax and
conflict with the established and normal traffic flow of the
area;
2. That the existing C-2 zoning is more consistent with the
established pattern of development and character of the
area;
3. That the proposed change of zoning is inconsistent with
adjacent zoning districts in the area;
4. That the proposed change of zoning is inconsistent with
the established pattern of the development and would
adversely alter the character of the area; and
5. That the proposed zoning change is not supported by the
Future Land Use Plan which shows this site as General
Commercial.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
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Mr. Wilshaw: As I said, this is a difficult thing for me to offer, denying on the
rezoning, because I think the site plan, the conceptual use that
we see for this property, is actually very ideal for this particular
site, but what we have before us is not the use of the property.
It's the rezoning of the property. As the Chairman stated in his
comments, a manufacturing zoning while being the only option
currently available for this particular petitioner, is not necessarily
the appropriate zoning for this site. If for some reason this
petitioner was unable to go forward in the future with the
development or perhaps the development itself was not
successful for some reason, now we're stuck with a piece of
property right behind residential houses that is manufacturing
zoning, which is not appropriate in my mind for those residents
and for that particular area. If this resolution that I've offered to
deny this is successful, what I will do is follow that up with an
additional resolution, Mr. Chair, to have us seek to add storage
facilities to commercial zoning districts so that we can allow this
petitioner to move forward with his plan. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with denying
resolution, which we want to do to expedite getting this to the
City Council because we understand you're in a certain time
constraint, but it will be a denying resolution. Before you leave,
I'm going to give the floor back to Mr. Wilshaw.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Chair. In addition to this denying resolution, I'm
going to offer a motion to hold a public hearing on the question
of whether or not to amend the C-2 District Regulations to allow
indoor, climate-controlled self-storage facilities.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Taylor, and unanimously approved, it was
#01-07-2016 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission, pursuant to
Section 23.01(a) of Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of
the City of Livonia, as amended, does hereby establish and
order that a public hearing be held to determine whether or not
to amend Article XI, C-2 District Regulations, of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance No. 543, as amended, to allow
indoor, climate-controlled self-storage facilities as either as
permitted use under Section 11.02 or as a waiver use under
Section 11.03.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of such hearing shall be
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of
Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as
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amended, and that thereafter there shall be a report and
recommendation submitted to the City Council.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. Basically, what we've done here is address
the problem of the zoning. Every now and then in the
performance of our duties, we come across uses that, based on
what we see, should probably fall within either a permitted or
waiver use for the property because right now the only
classification we have for this type is in the M-1 District.
However, we feel it is a use that is compatible with a C-2 zoning
and that's why we want to address the ordinance. We will take
action on this at our next regular meeting and send it forward to
the City Council for their consideration who will subsequently
make the final determination as to whether or not your project
goes forward. Based on that, good luck. Thank you for all the
information. You handled it very professionally and we thank
everybody for their comments.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2016-01-01-01 9309 NEWBURGH
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2016-
01-01-01 submitted by the City Planning Commission, pursuant
to Section 23.01(b) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance
#543, as amended, requesting to rezone the west 134.10 feet of
9309 Newburgh Road, located on the west side of Newburgh
Road between Joy Road and Ann Arbor Trail in the Southeast
1/4 of Section 31, from PL (Public Land) to R-1 (One Family
Residential - 60' x 120' Lots).
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to rezone the back portion of an existing
residentially-developed property that is located on west side of
Newburgh Road between Joy Road and Ann Arbor Trail. This
property is roughly 1.28 acres in area. It includes 163 feet of
frontage on Newburgh Road and has a depth of 340 feet. The
front portion of this property, the easterly 206 feet, is zoned R-1,
One Family Residential, whereas the westerly 134 feet of the
same parcel is zoned PL, Public Lands. This is the area of the
property that is the subject of this city-initiated rezoning petition.
This petition is intended to "fix" the boundaries of the zoning
map on what is an error that was discovered during a recent
request by the owners of the property to split the subject site.
Records show that in 1988, a previous owner of 9309 Newburgh
Road purchased one acre of land from the City of Livonia. At
that time, the property in question was zoned R-U-F and was
part of a larger parcel (9400 Stonehouse Avenue) that was
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previously designated on the Future Land Use Plan as a
proposed park. So the area on this site that you see shown as
PL is the 9400 Stonehouse Avenue property that is owned by
the City but does not include currently the area that is
highlighted in the red box. The red boxed area is owned by the
owners of 9309 Newburgh Road. They purchased that land from
the City back in 1988. Unfortunately, after the sale of the
property, the new parcel boundaries and descriptions were
never properly reflected on the City's records. Subsequently, the
City amended the Future Land Use Plan to show the land as a
future park site, unbeknownst to the City that it included the
property that was sold. In 2006, the City rezoned the
Stonehouse Avenue property, including this portion of the site,
to PL, Public Lands. We relied on these old legal descriptions
that included this 134 foot portion which is now under private
ownership. Since PL zoned property is intended solely for public
use purposes, it is recommended that the land area in question
be rezoned to R-1 to reflect both the current use as well as the
ownership. There is a house located on the north half of this
property. It would be split from east to west to create an
additional building site on the south half of the property. That
split would fully conform to the R-1 district regulations. With that,
Mr. Chairman, I will answer any questions you may have or read
out the correspondence at this time.
Mr. Morrow: Please.
Mr. Taormina: There is one item of correspondence from the Engineering
Division, dated January 8, 2016, which reads as follows: "In
accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has
reviewed the above referenced petition. We have no objections
to the proposed rezoning at this time. The included legal
description on the recorded quit claim deed that was included
with the petition appears to be correct and should be used in
conjunction with this petition. The existing property is assigned
an address of 9309 Newburgh Road." The letter is signed by
David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? The City is
the petitioner. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to
speak for or against the granting of this petition? We'll need
your name and address for the record.
Larry Piatek, 9328 Eastwind Drive, Livonia, Michigan. I live in the condominium
complex just north of where that road is. We bought a
condominium in that complex about two and half years ago.
One of the reasons we bought in there is because we liked the
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idea that there was park land there and that was kind of a
buffer, and that's really the only natural area surrounding our
entire complex. To the north of our complex, we have an
apartment complex, which has a chain link fence between us
and them. So that's not very pretty. To the west of us, we have
homes. If you scan to the west, you'll see homes and then we
have a fence there as a barrier between the condominiums and
the homes. To the east, we have Newburgh Road which is not
really a pretty sight either. I was hoping that more of our
residents would be here, but a lot of our residents are old and
they can't get to these kind of meetings. I am on the Board, and
I've talked to a lot of residents in our complex. They all agree. I
mean, obviously, if you're living in a complex and you have a
home near or adjacent to park land, you want to keep it that. I'm
concerned about the value of my condominium unit going down
because of homes there, and I'm concerned about the view. I
guess that's all I can say.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Taormina: Mr. Chairman, if I can maybe just again clarify what is
happening here. The property that you see highlighted in yellow,
which is the area where the zoning will change from PL, Public
Land, to R-1, is really being done simply because the City no
longer owns that property. In fact, we sold it in 1988 and for
reasons as I described earlier, the zoning didn't change when it
should have back in 2006. This property is now owned by the
people at 9309 Newburgh Road. We discovered this error
during a petition that they filed to split the property to create an
additional home site, not anywhere closer to the condominiums
but actually further away from the condominiums and closer to
Newburgh Road. So what we're looking at this evening is really
to fix the boundaries on the zoning map which should have
been done back in 2006, if not even earlier than then.
Mr. Morrow: So we never did own it after that date. The map never changed.
Mr. Taormina: That is correct.
Mr. Taylor: Through the Chair to Mark, this is just housekeeping more or
less.
Mr. Taormina: It is more or less a housekeeping matter. This is privately owned
property and it should reflect the R-1 zoning.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anyone else wishing to speak for or against the granting
of this.
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Mr. Piatek: I have a couple questions concerning that. So you're saying this
property is owned by the house east of that property?
Mr. Taormina: That is correct.
Mr. Piatek: Why are they being allowed to put homes on their own property
if they already have a home on that property?
Mr. Taormina: They would have to comply with the Zoning Ordinance in order
to create a new parcel of land. They have to go through the
parcel division process and demonstrate that they can comply
with all the ordinances, which they have done quite frankly.
They comply fully with the R-1 district regulations. They will be
allowed to split this and build another site, provided they can
meet all the setback requirements for the house when those
plans come forward.
Mr. Piatek: So the City is going to allow them to build on that site? I don't
understand that if I owned a couple acres of land in Livonia and
I decided I wanted to put houses up, I can just go the City and
say I want to put a couple houses up?
Mr. Taormina: With the proper zoning and in compliance with all the codes and
regulations, yes, you could.
Mr. Morrow: Basically, what we're doing here is, let's say, I don't know what
his intent is, but let's say he wants to build a house. He has to
go to the bank to get a loan. And they would say, well, we can't
give you a loan because you're building on what is recorded as
public land. So we're putting the public land in the property
zoning, which it has been right along. Subsequently, he will
come back, if he has building plans, he would have to meet all
of our ordinances in the R-1 district.\
Mr. Piatek: Is he like building another house? Is he knocking down his
house and building another?
Mr. Morrow: We don't know what he's going to do. We're just putting it back
in the proper use.
Gerilynn Piatek, 9328 Eastwind Drive, Livonia, Michigan. I don't know that much
about building or anything, but I do know that when we bought
the condo, we're at the end of the block so it doesn't affect us
that much, but there is going to be a condo at the very end
that's going to be right next to that house. And by putting that
one house in that you're talking about, it's going to kind of ruin
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that whole section. And we bought that condo, and so did
everybody else on our street, with the pretense that it was going
to stay the way it was. I mean that's why we paid what we paid
and we thought we were going to have a little bit of privacy.
Right down on Newburgh Road, right as you pull out of our
condominium, there's a house that is like the biggest dump in
the world. They don't even take care of the property and I'm just
wondering if this is the same people that are planning on putting
something else in there. That's all I have to say.
Mr. Taormina: Mr. Chairman, actually the way this property is going to be split,
it's going to be split from east to west, and where the house
would go would be on the southerly portion of the site away
from the condominiums, not adjacent to the condominiums. So
this may be a little misleading. This actually highlights the area
of the property where the zoning would change. It would go from
PL to R-1. There would be a north parcel, which contains the
existing house, and a south parcel, which would be available for
future construction of a house. That house would be constructed
closer to Newburgh Road as opposed to back where that
highlighted area is. Does that make sense?
Mrs. Piatek: Well, there's a whole wooded area.
Mr. Piatek: It's kind of misleading because it says . . . at the end of this, it
says 60 foot by 120 foot lots. So it makes it sound like there's
going to be . . . I mean I don't know how big this parcel is. Is it
60 by 120?
Mr. Taormina: Mr. Chairman, I would be happy to show these people after the
meeting just how this is being done. But it is a length-wise split.
Mr. Piatek: So the parcel is 60 by 120?
Mr. Taormina: That's the zoning requirement. The parcel that is being created
would be 65 feet by 340 feet.
Mr. Morrow: If that doesn't clear it up, please see the Planning Director after
the meeting.
Mr. Piatek: All right. So I understand. When I first read this, it sounded like,
well, it says lots, 60 by 120 lots.
Mr. Taormina: I understand what the gentleman is saying and how that could
be a little misleading. I'll clarify that with them.
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Mr. Morrow: Yes, because basically all we're doing here tonight is putting it
in the zoning it should have been in years ago.
Mr. Piatek: Yes, I understand that.
Mr. Morrow: I'm sure you could get the information you require. Is there
anyone else wishing to speak on this petition? Seeing no one
coming forward, I'd like a motion please.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Taylor, and unanimously adopted, it was
#01-08-2016 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on January 26, 2016, on
Petition 2016-01-01-01 submitted by the City Planning
Commission, pursuant to Section 23.01(b) of the City of Livonia
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone the
west 134.10 feet of 9309 Newburgh Road, located on the west
side of Newburgh Road between Joy Road and Ann Arbor Trail
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 31, from PL to R-1, the Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 2016-01-01-01 be approved for the following reasons:
1. That PL zoned property is intended solely for public use
purposes and R-1 zoning is a more appropriate zoning;
2. That the rezoning would correct an improper zoning district
reflected in the City's records;
3. That the property involved in this request would be in full
compliance with R-1 District regulations;
4. That R-1 zoning is compatible to and in harmony with the
surrounding zoning districts and land uses in the area;
5. That the proposed change of zoning would allow the
subject property to be developed in a manner that is
consistent with a recently proposed lot split; and,
6. That the proposed change of zoning is supported by the
Future Land Use Plan which recommends low density
residential use in this area.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
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Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2015-12-02-27 VALUE CENTER MARKET
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2015-
12-02-27 submitted by Value Center Market requesting waiver
use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(r) of the City of Livonia
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to utilize an SDD liquor
license (sale of packaged spirits over 21% alcohol) in
connection with the grocery store at 27428 Six Mile Road,
located on the north side of Six Mile Road between Inkster
Road and Dolores Drive in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 12.
Mr. Morrow: I have a letter that was furnished to me requesting that this be
delayed. Does that still hold?
Mr. Taormina: That is my understanding. Mr. Chairman, maybe you can go out
to the audience to see if anyone is here on this particular item.
Mr. Morrow: That's what I plan to do. I'm going to go forward with the public
hearing and then go from there. Is there anything you want to
present?
Mr. Taormina: I can give a full presentation on this item if you'd like.
Mr. Morrow: Just so if there's anybody in the audience, they know what it's
about.
Mr. Taormina: Okay. I will provide some background on this. This is a request
to utilize an SDD liquor license at the Value Center Market,
which is at the northwest corner of Six Mile and Inkster Roads.
This is a four-unit shopping center. It contains roughly 50,000
square feet of gross leasable area. Value Center Market
occupies the largest space. It is the anchor tenant at about
37,000 square feet. Other tenants include a Family Video,
Fantastic Sam's and Smokers Emporium. The site is zoned C-2,
General Business. Value Center currently utilizes an SDM
license at this location. This is a request to utilize an SDD
license. The SDM allows for the market to sell packaged beer
and wine products for consumption off the premises. The SDD
license, a Specialty Designated Distributors license, would allow
them to sell packaged spirits for consumption off the premises.
This request to utilize an SDD involves the acquisition and
intracounty transfer of an existing license that is currently in
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escrow and was formerly in operation at 40522 Ann Arbor Trail
in Plymouth, Michigan. This would represent, if approved, the
City's first transferred license from another jurisdiction into the
City. We currently have a quota of 34 licenses. This would
represent the 35th license in the community. There is currently
one license in Livonia that is in escrow, but that is tied up and
pending a review right now for an operation at a Kroger store. In
fact, this was an item that the Planning Commission reviewed
back in June, 2015, and denied, but it is still pending before the
City Council. There are a couple special requirements that apply
to these licenses. One is that all alcohol products where the
total gross receipts derived from the sale of the SDD products is
less than 35 percent of the total gross receipts in the store, then
those products have to be displayed in a secured area behind a
counter with no direct public access. Basically, in the case of
grocery stores and drugstores, these products cannot be
available to customers out in the open. They have to be back
behind a secured counter with no direct public access. Plans
were submitted that do show that the products would be placed
behind a service counter and would not have direct access to
customers. The second requirement is the separate requirement
which states that these licensed businesses cannot be located
within 1,000 feet of any other SDD licensed establishments. Of
course, there is one existing license located almost directly
across the street, Belly Busters. It's the former Trade Vine party
shop and that is roughly 480 feet away. So in order for this SDD
license to be approved, it would require City Council's super
majority vote in which two-thirds of the members concur. That is
the only way the separation requirement can be waived. Lastly,
there is a requirement that the business not be located within
400 feet from an existing church or school building, which this
does comply with. With that, Mr. Chairman, I'll answer any
questions.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you for that fine presentation. I assume there is no
correspondence.
Mr. Taormina: There are two items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated January 8, 2016, which reads
as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced petition. We have
no objections to the proposed waiver use at this time. The
included legal description on submitted petition appears to be
correct and should be used in conjunction with this petition. The
existing property is assigned an address of #27416 Six Mile
Road, with the address range of #27416 thru #27428 Six Mile
Road for individual suites within the property." The letter is
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signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The
second letter is from the Division of Police, dated January 26,
2016, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the plans in
connection with the petition. I have no objections to the
proposal." The letter is signed by Brian Leigh, Sergeant, Traffic
Bureau. I believe there will be another item coming from the
Police Department but that will probably be submitted when this
item appears back before you.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Is there
anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the
granting of this petition?
Colleen Pobur, Pobur Consulting, LLC, 240 North Harvey, Plymouth, Michigan
48170. Good evening Commissioners. I'm a consultant who has
been hired by the owners of Belly Busters, David Arafat and
John Arafat, who the Planning Director referenced. I'd also like
to just point out that the reason I do this consulting business,
served as a Liquor Control Commissioner for the State of
Michigan for four years and I also sit on the Plymouth City
Commission. I'd just like to say, this is totally off topic. Don't let
this influence anything about this decision, but the action that
you took on the first matter was really good government to look
at a zoning thing like that. You don't often see people handle
things that thoughtfully. I was very impressed by that. And
seriously, I'm not trying to curry favor. That was fun to watch. So
I'm going to have my client speak first about their situation, what
they'd like you to know about the proposal that's before you,
then I'm going to bring up a couple more facts when he's done.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you.
David Arafat, Belly Busters, 27455 Six Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan 48152.
Good evening. I own what was once Trade Vine liquor shop and
is now Belly Busters liquor, which is located directly across from
Value Center on Six Mile. I'm here today because Value Center
is attempting to acquire a liquor license in the City. I'm a small
business owner. I recently bought the store not only for the
potential that I saw, but only because of the city that it resides
in. It's a great city. If Value Center does acquire the liquor
license, it will not only hurt my business, but probably take me
out of business. A lot of people that shop at Value Center do
come across the street and they purchase alcohol and other
things that they want. I've been there 19 months. I've remodeled
the whole building inside and out with your help, with the city
inspectors and everyone. I put a lot of money into it. Value
Center is big business. With or without the license, it will still be
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big business and still very busy. I can see it right across the
street. They are always busy. Any declines in my sales will hurt
me tremendously and another thing was, the neighborhood was
very happy with what I did to the building, inside and out. I got a
lot of support on my grand opening day, which was in 2015 in
February. Just like I said, I put a lot money and all my heart into
it, me and my father. Just again, please and thank you and
support the small business.
Mr. Morrow: I appreciate your comments.
Ms. Pobur: I'd just like to point out that when these gentlemen bought the
business, they bought it in June of 2014 and spent the time until
February 1 of 2015 doing renovations to upgrade the building.
They paid $465,000 for the business that did include the liquor
license at the time, and then they spent an additional $160,000
on renovations to the business. As the Planning Director pointed
out, all premise licenses, the difference as you all probably
know, there's off-premise licenses for packaged sales and on-
premise licenses for sales of alcohol by the glass. The quota
that the state allocates is one license for every 3,000 residents
for an off-premise license. So in the City of the Livonia with your
97,000 residents, which is the number I found on your website,
the quota is actually 33 licenses and you do currently operate
34. Of those, 20 licenses are within one mile of Belly Busters.
I've got a sheet that if it's all right with you I'd like to share with
you. Of the 20 that I refer to, this is between Five Mile and
Seven Mile and just Inkster and Middlebelt because I didn't go
to Beech because I just wanted to deal with what's in Livonia.
The off-premise licenses in there represent 40 percent of the
off-premise licenses in the entire City of Livonia, in your whole
36 square miles, are represented in just that block within a mile
of my client's area. It's interesting to note too that Value Center
did own an SDD license in the past and they sold it to Trade
Vines, which my client bought. You guys knew that. I just think
that's an interesting little tidbit. The only other thing I'd like to
point out, as my client mentions, this is an impact on small
businesses. They run a really good business. As a former
Liquor Control Commissioner, I'll tell you that Value Center has
been found responsible for the sale of alcohol to minors three
times and Belly Busters has been found responsible for the sale
of alcohol to minors zero times. We'd be interested to know
what the correspondence, Mr. Chairman, says about delaying or
rehearing this, having another hearing so we can be prepared
for that.
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Mr. Morrow: Let's put it this way. He sent us a letter. He paid the money and
his attorney could not be present tonight and he asked for the
delay. So we granted him the delay, but we decided to go
forward with the public hearing. I'm going to ask that it be
tabled. I'll ask the Planning Director if we have a date certain.
Ms. Pobur: That would be lovely.
Mr. Morrow: If necessary, depending on who is here tonight, if we have to
send out and re-notify everybody, he'll be required to pay for
that. But your remarks are now part of the record and you'll
have the opportunity again to run us through the same thing
again.
Ms. Pobur: I wouldn't want to bore you, but thank you.
Mr. Morrow: But if you show up and we see you, we'll recall everything you
said.
Ms. Pobur: That's great. So we'll just listen to what you have to say.
Mr. Morrow: Okay. Is there anyone else wishing to speak for or against the
granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming forward, I will
close the public hearing and ask for a motion.
Mr. Wilshaw: I'm glad that we held this public hearing as it was published. We
want to give residents or concerned business owners an
opportunity to speak to this item, which we did, and I think that's
good government as well. With that, because the petitioners
themselves have requested to have this item delayed, I'm going
to offer a tabling resolution to table this item to the next public
hearing date, which will be February 23, 2016.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Taylor, and unanimously adopted, it was
#01-08-2016 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on January 26, 2016, on
Petition 2015-12-02-27 submitted by Value Center Market
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(r) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to
utilize an SDD liquor license (sale of packaged spirits over 21%
alcohol) in connection with the grocery store at 27428 Six Mile
Road, located on the north side of Six Mile Road between
Inkster Road and Dolores Drive in the Southeast 1/4 of Section
12, which property is zoned C-2, the Planning Commission does
hereby table this item until February 23, 2016.
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Mr. Morrow: I know there is no discussion. Mark, do you concur with that
date?
Mr. Taormina: Yes, Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at the same time, 7:00 p.m.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
ITEM #4 PETITION 2012-04-02-10 PELAGOS ENTERPRISES
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Request to
Amend Petition 2012-04-02-10 and Council Resolution #221-12,
adopted May 23, 2012, submitted by Pelagos Enterprises Inc.,
requesting to extend the use of a Class C liquor license to the
new owners and extend the operating hours of the Class C
license from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. in connection with a full
service restaurant at 34110 Plymouth Road, located on the
north side of Plymouth Road between Farmington and Stark
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 28.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to amend a Council resolution in connection
with the operation of a Class C liquor license. A Class C license
allows for the sale of beer, wine and other spirits for
consumption on the premises. In this case, the waiver for the
use of a Class C license was granted in 2012 to the operators of
Tony's Kitchen restaurant located on Plymouth Road. The
resolution adopted by the City Council placed restrictions on the
use of the license, including a limitation on the hours of
operation as well as limiting the use of the license to only the
original permit holder. This petition seeks to extend the use of
the license to the new owners as well as extend the operating
hours of the Class C license from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. In
2012, Tony's obtain the waiver use in connection with
renovations to the exterior of the restaurant. Under a separate
filing, Tony's received approval to operate the Class C liquor
license. The resolution limited the serving of alcoholic
beverages to 11:00 p.m. and required the petitioner to enter into
a conditional agreement limiting the waiver use to Tony's
Kitchen only, with the provision to extend the waiver use to a
new user only upon the approval of the City Council. As you
know, Tony's Kitchen closed last summer. In December,
Pelagos Enterprises, Inc. received site plan approval to remodel
the exterior of the restaurant. Since waiver of use and any
conditions attached "run with the land," all of the conditions that
were previously imposed under Council Resolution #221-12
remain in effect. This includes prohibiting the selling of beer,
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wine and other spirits beyond 11:00 p.m. So the petitioner is
seeking to amend the conditions of approval to allow the serving
and consumption of alcoholic from 9:00 a.m. through 2:00 a.m.
on a daily basis. They are going to request a separate action by
City Council to extend the waiver use of the Class C license to
the new user, which is Pelagos Enterprises, Inc.
Mr. Morrow: He wants to go from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m.
Mr. Taormina: That's correct.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: We do not have any correspondence related to this item.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Is the
petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and
address for the record please.
Greg Marsolis, Pelagos Enterprises Inc., 6929 Norway Drive, Troy, Michigan
48085. I'm one of the owners. It's going to be called Black Label
Tavern. We just came out with the name finally. When we
purchased the property, we knew there was a Class C liquor
license. We weren't aware that Tony only wanted to serve
alcohol until 11:00 p.m. I've been doing this since I was a little
kid. My family has been in this business for a long time.
Primarily for Christmas parties or somebody has a function, we
don't want to tell them we can only serve you until 11:00. So if
you can extend the hours, that would be great, especially for
Christmas parties, Valentines night or day. I think it would be
great if you can do it for us.
Mr. Morrow: I think Tony closed at 11:00 p.m. and he didn't see any need to
extend it. I think that's how that got modified. Are there any
questions of the petitioner?
Ms. Smiley: When are you going to be open?
Mr. Marsolis: We're hoping the end of April. It's a slow process for us but we
want to make sure everything is . . . we just finished with all the
plumbing and we're starting the construction as we speak. We
promise you it's going to be a really nice looking restaurant.
Ms. Smiley: I drove by there today. I had a feeling you weren't going to be
open for Valentine's Day.
Mr. Marsolis: We wanted to but . . .
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Ms. Smiley: We wish you well.
Mr. Wilshaw: This also is not overly relevant to the particular petition, but your
name, Black Label Tavern. Can you tell me a little bit about
what kind of restaurant it's going to be?
Mr. Marsolis: It's going to be a nice casual dining restaurant. I think you've
seen the floor plan. We're going to have a nice rectangular bar
but it's going to be isolated with a wall so it's not too loud for the
people that will want to sit in the dining area. We're going to
have anything from appetizers. We're going to serve salads, a
few entrees, a couple seafood pasta dishes. We also have a
nice brick oven that Tony had. Actually, it's a very nice oven. He
brought it over from Italy or something. We are going to have
pizza but that will not be our main purpose but we will have it as
an option for our customers.
Mr. Wilshaw: It sounds great.
Mr. Marsolis: We're excited. I think a couple of you have been out to
Northville. It's a beautiful restaurant. We're going to do the same
with Livonia. I think it will be very nice and enhance the area. I
mean it's a nice area. It's the business district of Livonia but it
will be a good addition to the district.
Mr. Morrow: It reminds me of the old Carling Black Label.
Mr. Marsolis: We're excited. We like the area. We like the traffic.
Mr. Morrow: Any other questions? There is no one in the audience. I will
close the public hearing and ask for a motion.
On a motion by Long, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#01-10-2016 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on January 26, 2016, on
a request to amend Petition 2012-04-02-10 and Council
Resolution #221-12, adopted May 23, 2012, submitted by
Pelagos Enterprises Inc., to extend the use of a Class C liquor
license to the new owners and extend the operating hours of the
Class C license from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. in connection with
a full service restaurant at 34110 Plymouth Road, located on the
north side of Plymouth Road between Farmington and Stark
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 28, which property is
zoned C-2, the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
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to the City Council that Petition 2016-09-01-07 be amended as
requested subject to the following conditions:
1. That condition #2 of Council Resolution #221-12 which
reads, "That no alcoholic beverages shall be served after
11:00 p.m. and alcoholic beverages may be served up to
11:00 p.m. as long as food is also served" shall be
modified to read as follows;
That the hours of operation for the bar area shall be
limited to 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m.;
2. That all other conditions imposed by Council Resolution
#221-12, which granted approval to utilize a Class C liquor
license (sale of beer, wine and spirits for consumption on
the premises) in connection with an existing full service
restaurant, shall remain in effect to the extent that they are
not in conflict with the foregoing condition.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. Thank you and good luck on your new
venture.
Mr. Marsolis: Thank you for your time and Happy New Year to everybody.
ITEM #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,081st Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the
Minutes of the 1,081st Public Hearings and Regular Meeting
held on January 12, 2016.
On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Long, and unanimously adopted, it was
#01-11-2016 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,081st Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on January
12, 2016, are hereby approved.
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A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Taylor, Long, Wilshaw, Smiley
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Morrow
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,082nd Public
Hearings and Regular Meeting held on January 26, 2016, was adjourned at 8:40
p.m.
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