HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1954-06-01 473
MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE
FIFTY SECOND SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
A Public Hearing and the 52nd Special Meeting of the City Planning Commission
were held on Tuesday, June 1, 1954 at the City Hall, Livonia, Michigan.
Chairman Dallas F. Hay called the Public Hearing to order at approximately
8:00 p.m.
Members present: Edwin Conway William Newton H. Paul Harsha
Peter Ventura Clarence Jahn Dallas F. Hay
Irving Geer Rufino Salinas
Members absent: *Robert L. Greene
Mr. Malcolm F. Waring, Planning Consultant; Mayor Elbert M. Hartom; Mr. Rudolf
Kleinert, Councilman; Mr. Harry Killam, Councilman; Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr., Chief
Inspector; and Mr. Harold Hultquist, Supt. or Public Works were present to-
gether witn approximately 50 people attending tne Public Hearing and the
Special Meeting.
The secretary announced tnat the first item on the agenda was tne Salem Farms
Subdivision, No. 1 located approximately b55 feet East of Gill Road with a
frontage on the North side of Seven Mile of approximately b55 feet in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 4. The secretary read the letter of transmittal from
Rose-Hill Realty Company dated May 11, 1954 and a letter dated June 1, 1954
from Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr. stating tnat the Building Department approves tne pro-
posed subdivision as to building sites.
Mr. Loel R. Hellman was present and stated that Mr. Lloyd S. Gullen nad called
him late in tne afternoon and objected to dedicating 27 feet for tne proposed
Whitby Road. Stated tnat Rose-Hill Realty would be willing to move tne pro-
posed road West making a slignt jog. There is a possibility that a lot would
De lost by doing this but tney wisn to cooperate in every way.
It was suggested that Mr. Hellman submit a new plat showing this revision.
Mr. Jahn, Chairman of the Plat Committee stated that he had visited the site.
*Mr. Robert L. Greene arrived at approximately b:06 p.m.
There were several people present interested in the proposed subdivision but
none voiced an objection to the plat.
There was a question regarding Norwich being a half street. The secretary
read from „Subdivision Rules and Regulations Sub-section (f) Dedication of
Half-Streets which cleared up all questions regarding nalf-streets.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Jahn and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the proposed Salem Farms Subdivision, No. 1 located
I[: approximately 655 feet East of Gill Road with a frontage on the Nortn
side of Seven Mile Road of approximately 655 feet in tne Soutneast 1/4
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of Section 4 be tabled until June 15, 1954 in order to give tne
petitioner an opportunity to present a revised plat.
The Chairman declared tne foregoing resolution adopted.
Tne secretary announced tnat tne next item on tne agenda was tne petition by
Josepp R. Moore, Moore Sign Inc. for permission to erect two signs - 8' X 15•
to advertise tne models built oy Newman Farms on Parcels ElOcl and E10c2
located on the Northeast corner of Farmington and Plymouth Roads in tne Soutn-
west 1/4 of Section 27. Tne secretary read the petition dated May 14, 1954.
Mr. Moore was present and stated tat tne signs would be standing six months
to a year.
Mr. Conway asked now far back the signs would be from the center of Plymouth
Road. Mr. Moore stated about 100 feet.
Mr. Jahn asked if at present one of tne signs is up. Mr. Moore stated tnat
one is up and the frame work of the second.
Mr. Harsna stated that he objected to tne signs because Newman Farms is a
business the same as a hardware store or anything else. If tnis petition is
granted it would leave it wide open for any otner business to come before tne
commission and request the same consideration.
Tnere was a question about the sign on Seven Mile Road West of `armington
wnicn Mr. Moore stated that his company had erected. Stated that ne was told
over the telephone that it was permitted because it was temporary. Stated he
did not nave a copy of the Zoning Ordinance and that he had been told they
were not available.
Mr. Jahn stated that any sign company tnat wishes to do business in any city
snould first obtain a copy of tne Zoning Ordinance.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Geer, seconded by Mr. Harsna and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, tnat tne petition by Joseph R. Moore, Moore Sign Inc. for
permission to erect two signs - 81 X 15' to advertise the models built
by Newman Farms on Parcels ElOcl and E10c2 located on tne Northeast
corner of Farmington and Plymouth Roads in the Southwest 1/4 of Section
27 be denied.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that tne next item on the agenda was the application
of B. F. Turcott (j-1) for a permit to remove fill sand pill from Parcels
EE1 and EE2 Having a combined frontage of 800 feet on the Nortn side of Scnool-
craft approximately 500 feet West of Merriman Road in the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 22. The previous application (j) presented at the Public Hearing,
April 13, 1954 requested a permit to remove top soil.
The application had been approved by the D.P.W. and the Police Department.
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The secretary read a letter dated May 26, 1954 from Howard and Howard stating
that they objected to this application if it concerns their land.
Mr. Turcott was present and stated that he had not obtained a survey on tne
area.
Mr. Jahn, Chairman of the Top Soil Committee stated that the committee would
approve the removal of the hill only.
Mr. Salinas asked the size of tne hill and Mr. Turcott stated that 25,000 to
35,E yards would be removed.
Mr. Hultquist stated that he did not require a survey as his department could
keep an eye on the area to see tnat only tne hill is removed.
No one was present objecting to the application.
Mr. Ventura stated that tne commission recently turned down another application
because there was not a survey. - -
Mr. Salinas stated that he thougnt the commission was being unreasonaole re-
questing a survey as this is just a hill.
Mr. Turcott stated tnat he also filed witn nis application an agreement between
himself and Mr. William Burger stating the following: (1) Leave enougn sand on
property so as not to be below grade, (2) Grade property where sand is removed
and (3) Not to fill or interfere witn drain ditch on property.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Ventura and seconded by Mr. Jahn, it was
RESOLVED, that application of B. F. Turcott (j-1) for a permit to remove
fill sand hill from Parcels EP and EE2 naving a combined frontage of
d00 feet on the Nortn side of Scnoolcraft approximately 700 feet West of
Merriman Road in tne Soutneast 1/4 of Section 22 be tabled until June 15
in order to give tne petitioner an opportunity to present a survey of
tne area.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Ventura, Jann, Greene, beer, Harena and Hay
. NAYS: Newton, Conway and Salinas
Upon a motion duly made oy Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Jann and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, tnat tne Public Hearing oe adjourned until June 15, 1954.
The Chairman declaredthe foregoing resolution adopted.
The Chairman called the 52nd Special Meeting to order.
The secretary announced tnat the first item on the agenda was the petition of
Harold Zucke for permission to construct a gasoline service station on Parcel
Al4 located on the Soutn side or Plymouth Road approximately 750 feet West of
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Harrison Road in tne Northwest 1/4 of Section 3b. Mr. Zucke was not present.
Mr. Ed Presnell, 2805b Nortn Clements Circle was present and suggested that
inasmuch as Mr. Zucke had been notified and had not appeared tonight that nis
petition be denied.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Ventura, seconded by Mr. Newton and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that tne petition of Harold Zucke for permission to construct
a gasoline service station on Parcel A14 located on the South side of
Plymouth Road approximately 750 feet West or Harrison Road in the North-
west 1/4 of Section 3b be tabled until June 15, 1954 in order to give
the petitioner an opportunity to appear before the commission and present
an up-to-date print tnat will be related to tne proposed building.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced tnat the next item on tne agenda was the application
of Norris A. Host, Wolverine Contractors, Inc. (h) for a permit to remove
sand from Parcel F4H having a frontage of 650 feet on the Soutn side of
Schoolcraft Road approximately 2,525 feet West of Stark Road in tne Northwest
1/4 of Section 28. Mr. Host was not present.
No one was present opposed to tnis application.
As tne petition had been tabled several times and the petitioner nad not
appeared April 27 and May 18, 1954 it was tne opinion of tne commission that
this petition be denied without prejudice.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Jahn, seconded by Mr. Newton and unanimously
'carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the application of Norris A. Host, Wolverine Contractors,
Inc. (n) for a permit to remove sand from Parcel F4H having a frontage of
650 feet on the Soutn side of Scnoolcraft Road approximately 2,525 feet
West of Stark Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 28 be denied without
prejudice.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Tne secretary announced tnat the next item on the agenda was the Devonshire
Park Subdivision located Nortn of West Chicago and West of Henry Ruff Road in
the Nortnwest 1/4 or Section 35. This proposed subdivision was tentatively
approved by the commission April 20, 1954 but has been referred back to the
commission by the City Council per the letter dated June 1, 1954 from the
City Cleric. Mr. Henry Alper was present.
Mr. Harry Killam stated tnat the City Council had a couple questions regarding
tnis proposed subdivision. Tne adjacent subdivision on tne West snows Sunset
running through and on this proposed subdivision there is no provision. Also
the street Orangelawn jogs up ad down in this area.
Mr. Waring brought the commission and those present up-to-date on what had
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preceded regarding tne Devonshire Park Suodivision and the J. F. Ferry Sub-
division.
Mayor Hartom stated that Devonshire Park Subdivision snould coniorm in regard
to Orangelawn witn J. F. Ferry Subdivision as the J. F. Ferry Suodivision was
approved November 17, 1953 wnereas Devonsnire Park Subdivision was not approved
until April 20, 1954.
Mr. Alper stated that all of the engineer work had been completed as well as
the survey and tne canvass back plat.
Upon a motion duly made oy Mr. Ventura, seconded by Mr. Geer and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the Devonshire Park Subdivision located North of West
Chicage and West of Henry Ruff Road in tne Northwest 1/4 of Section
35 be tabled until June 15, 1954 in order to obtain a recommendation
from tne Fire Department and the Police Department.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that tne next item on tne agenda was the application
of Harold Edwards (g) tiled February 10, 1954 for permit to remove nursery
sod from Blue Grass Farms, 34450 Five Mile Road. This application was not
presented at a Public Hearing because an application for Valid Non Conforming
Use was filed February 15, 1954.
Mr. Russell Asnmore stated tnat ne had looked over Mr. Edwards property and
he considers it a very good job of house cleaning as ne does not tear up tne
road etc.; therefore ne conforms witn tne ordinance without. requiring a bond.
There is a question tnoggn of the land being below grade of tne road. Asked
the policy of tne commission seeing tnis is true. Appears to be carrying on
his business in a legitimate way contrasted with Mr. Godwin who is cutting
up the road, etc. wnicn makes a different situation. Mr. Edwards owns the
land whereas Mr. Godwin rents the land. Mr. Asnmore recommended that tne
commission not require Mr. Edwards post a bond.
Mr. Geer asked now much soil is removed in process of removing sod. Mr. Asn-
more stated about 1/2 incn.
Mr. Geer asked now often it is removed. Mr. Asnmore stated every two years.
Mr. Ventura stated tnat if the land is below grade and they continue to remove
sod tney are in violation of thDordinance. The commission would be incon-
sistent if it allowed one person to remove sod below grade and not anotner.
Mr. Greene asked if Mr. Edwards would nave a legal way out seeing he nad filed
a Valid Non Conforming Use Application and wouldn't it be possible to block
future sod removal and let Mr. Edwards continue his business.
Mr. Ashmore stated that ne felt Mr. Godwin snould post a bond wnereas Mr. Edwards
should not.
Mr. Waring stated that it would be good to determine whether this is a crop or
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not.
Mr. Asnmore stated tnat if there is road side damage that the bond recorded
would take care of this. Fields of sod have some beauty to tnem. Where
there are crops under way it would not be possible to stop tnem. Anyone want-
ing to remove sod must come before the commission.
Mr. Greene asked if there was a precedent in other communities. Mr. Asnmore
stated that nalf call it dirt removal and nalf call it a nursery business.
Mr. Harsna asked Mr. Asnmore if he would recommend the possibility of reword-
ing this section of tne ordinance. Mr. Ashmore stated that ne would recommend
it.
Mr. Asnmore stated that he would draft a letter approving tne Valid Non Con-
forming Use Application for Mr. Edwards for this crop only and tnat ne would
submit it at tne next meeting or the commission.
There was a lengtny discussion regarding tne list of top soil applications
granted and denied from March 12, 1953 to present.
Mr. Asnmore asked the commission if they knew of any application that was
approved wnere the land was below grade. Tne commission assured Mr. Asnmore
tnat tney nad not to their knowledge approved an application wnere the land
was below grade.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Greene and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the list of top soil applications granted and denied
from March 12, 1953 (Zoning Ordinance, No. b0 adopted by referendum vote
February 15, 1953) to present is to the best of tne City Planning
Commission's knowledge and belief a complete list.
Tne Cnairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The Cnairman called a recess at approximately 10:2b p.m.
The Cnairman called the meeting to order at approximately 10:40 p.m.
The secretary announced tnat tne next item on tne agenda was tne sign located
New Detroit Subdivision South of Plymouth Road between Arcola and Inkster.
Sign Permit No.136 issued April b, 1952.
It was agreed by the commission tnat tnis permit was issued before tne Zoning
Ordinance.
Mr. Newton stated tnat he was concerned about this sign as it was dangerous
to cnildren and it advertises sale of property in anotner community on Six
Mile.
Mr. Ashmore suggested tnat all questionable signs in the City of Livonia be
listed by tne Police Department and that the commission hold meetings after
notifing proper people.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Geer, seconded by Mr. Greene and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that it is suggested that the Police Department make a list
of the signs within the City of Livonia tnat tney feel are injurious
or a nazard whether the sign has been approved or not.
Tne Chairman declared the foregoingresolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Geer and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the minutes of the meeting May 11, 1954 be approved
as received.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding the motion by the commission May lc,
1954 referring to the City Attorney the waiver presented by Mr. Bernie
Binkley.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Ventura, seconded by Mr. Newton and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, tnat a letter be written to Mr. Bernie Binkley requesting
that ne be present at the Regular Meeting, June 15, 1954 regarding
the legality of the signatures on the waiver presented by nim
May 18, 1954.
The Chairman declared the foregoingresolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Harsna and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, tnat the statement dated May 1, 1954 from Waring and John-
son for the month of April for $189.43 be approved as presented.
Tne Cnairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Tne secretary read a letter dated May 29, 1954 from Mr. Joseph A. Milko
asking the commission to extend the carnival permit to and include June b,
1954 as the St. Micnaels Mens Club is making a profit.
Mr. Milko was present earlier in the evening but could not wait until nis
request was heard by the commission.
Mr. Harsha asked if the same conditions would apply as heretofore. Mr. Asn-
more and the commission agreed tnat tney would.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Conway, seconded by Mr. Greene and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that the permit by St. Michael's Mens Club to hold a carnival
located approximately 910 feet East of Farmington Road on the South side
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of Plymoutn Road in the Nortnwest 1/4 of Section 34 be extended to and
include June 6, 1954.
Tne Chairman declared tne foregoing resolution adopted.
Tne secretary read tne letter dated May 25, 1954 addressed to Harry Slatkin,
Inc. from the City Clerk regarding the sewer in Country Homes Subdivision, and
tne letter dated May 28, 1954 addressed to tne City Council from Mayor Hartom
regarding nis recommendation.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding additional subdivisions approved for
the area between Stark Road and Wayne Road and tne entitled reimbursement to
Harry Slatkin, Inc. and now the commission would not let this matter slip by
without notice in the future.
The secretary read a letter dated May 12, 1954 addressed to Dr. Cole S. •
Brembeck, Supt. of Livonia Public Scnools from Mr. Malcolm F. Waring regarding
a scnool site in Section 9. Mr. Folsom, Chairman of the Parks and Recreation
Commission was present and stated that the commission had looked at tne
suggested site and that tney would no doubt nave a recommendation by June 15.
The matter was placed on tne table until June 15, 1954.
The secretary read tne letter dated June 1, 1954 from Dr. Cole S. Brembeck
addressed to tne City Planning Commission regarding the changing of the
location of the school site in Section 12.
Mr. Waring stated tnat tne proposed change is vacant property and tnat it is
part or the original location as shown on the Master School and Park Plan.
Mr. Jahn suggested tnat tne commission have a letter from Mr. Waring so that
the Master Plan can be amended both in regard to Section 12 and Section 9.
Mr. Folsom stated that the site in Section 12 has not been purchased.
The secretary read the communication from Eugene M. Quinlan regarding sub-
scription to the Zoning Bulletin.
Tne commission agreed tnat tney would be interested in receiving a copy of this
bulletin but that they would like the price of twelve copies instead of the
suggested five as quoted in the communication.
The secretary read the letters dated May 19, 1954 from Hugn Wood, Jr., Chief
Inspector addressed to Mr. George Cummins, Charles J. Rogers Construction
Company and Mr. Dominic J. Pitrone regarding numerous complaints from residents
of the vicinity in which tney are removing top soil, sand, clay, gravel or
similar material.
Mr. Ventura presented the matter of tne green belt behind tne National Food
Store on Plymouth Road. The commission agreed that this had been tabled
until the meeting June 15, 1954 at which time it is hoped tnat a letter would
be available from the Building Department.
Mr. Ventura read tne resolution adopted by the commission February 16, 1954
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Devonshire Park Subdivision. In answer to tnis the secretary read the letter
dated Marcn 22, 1954 addressed to the commission from Mr. J. B. Folsom, Chair-
man Parks and Recreation Commission.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Jann, seconded by Mr. Newton and unanimously
carried, it was
RESOLVED, that this meeting be adjourned.
At approximately 11:47 p.m. the Chairman declared the meeting adjourned.
Rufi o Salinas, Secretary
ATTESTED:
Dallas F. Hay, Chairman