HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1955-01-11 MINUTES OF THE 61ST SPECIAL MEETING
OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
The 61st Special Meeting of the City Planning Commission was held on Tuesday
January 11, 1955 at the City Hall, Livonia, Michigan/
The Special Meeting was called to order by Chairman Peter A. Ventura at
approximately 8:06 p.m. Mr. H. Paul Harsha presided as secretary in the
absence of Mr. Rufino Salinas.
Members present: William Robinson Karle Steinhoff H. Paul Harsha
Edwin Conway Dallas F. Hay Peter A. Ventura
Adelaide Nielsen
Members absent: *Robert L. Greene
Rufino Salinas
Lieutenant Bob Perry, Livonia Fire Department was present together with
approximately ten people attending the 61st Special Meeting.
The secretary read letter dated December 31, 1954 from H. B. Gross, Service
Sign Company regarding petition submitted by J. J. Burman, Service Sign
Company for permission to erect a ground sign on Parcel F3b located 32222
Plymouth Road and situated on the Northeast corner of Plymouth and Hubbard
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 27. The secretary also read letter
dated November 9, 1954 from Calvin Roberts, Chief Livonia Fire Department.
Mr. Gilbert Brown, Vice President Bill Brown, Inc. was present representing
Mr. Gross as he was out of town.
Lieutenant Perry stated that the reason the Fire Department wrote the letter
dated November 9, 1954 was that this petition was filed shortly after the
fire at Edgewater Park Dance Hall where lightning hit sign and caused the
death of two people. In view of what happened there and that it also could
happen in this community, some stipulation should be made that the sign would
be grouni ed.
Mr. Ventura stated that that should be part of the sign ordinance or Electrical
Code. The approval of the commission should be only on location of sign and
whether sign would be eye-sore.
Mr. Hay asked if there was a report from Messrs. Harsha and Conway. Mr. Con-
way stated that they had had an appointment with Mr. Burman but that this
appointment was not kept. Mr. Burman was also going to obtain sign ordinances
from other communities for commission's inspection. Mr. Conway stated he had
not received these ordinances.
Mr. Hay stated sign would protrude over public property.
Mr. Ventura stated that in the past the commission has been very careful to
see that signs would not protrude over public property and that commission
should not make an exception in this case. If it would infringe on public
property approval would have to be obtained from commission having jurisdiction
over such highway.
Mr. Brown stated he is willing tolieep sign inside building line if it is
the desire of the commission. Stated to his knowledge the building line is
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not the property line as shown on plans submitted by Mr. Gross.
Mr. Ventura read portions of Michigan Law Controlling erection of signs on or
along highway, Act 108, Public Acts of 1925, as amended by Act 136 of Public
Acts of 1935.
Mr. Conway asked whether the sign could be moved back. Mr. Brown stated he
would have to check how much area there is between building line and property
line.
Mr. Ventura stated each time petition has been tabled the commission has asked
for exact plot plan showing location of sign to building line and which plot
plan is not clear now.
Mr. Harsha read portion of Section 10.02 (g), Zoning Ordinance, No. 60 regard-
ing signs.
Mr. Brown asked if he was correct that the 60' is from center of Plymouth
Road and that 15" is allowed to protrude over.
The commission appeared to agree that it would be permissible with this
commission if it is cleared with State Highway Commission.
Mr. Ventura stated he did not believe the State Highway Commission has been
enforcing State Law in the past. Stated commission could approve sign with
the stipulation that it not extend over public property.
Mr. Harsha stated commission could approve 15" projection according to Zoning
Ordinance.
No one was present opposed to this petition.
Mr. Robinson stated he would like clarification as to whether the building is
on the property line. Mr. Hay stated that this question came up before and
it was clear that building is on property line.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Conway, seconded by Mr. Steinhoff and
unanimously carried, it was
#1-1-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on October 5, 1954 the City Planning Commission does hereby
grant the petition by Messrs. J. J. Burman and H. B. Gross,
Service Sign Company for permission to erect a ground sign on
Parcel F3b located 32222 Plymouth Road and situated on the
Northeast corner of Plymouth and Hubbard Roads in the South-
east 1/4 of Section 27 provided that the sign or any part of
sign not extend over 15 inches beyond the building line, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was seat to
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The Chairman appointed the following committees to attend the City Council
meetings after January 15, 1955:
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January 15 - February 15, 1955 February 15 - March 15, 1955
William Robinson Edwin Conway
Robert L. Greene Peter A. Ventura
Karle Steinhoff Dallas F. Hay
March 15 - April 15
H. Paul Harsha
Rufino Salinas
Adelaide Nielsen
The secretary read the notice to all employees regarding the annual meeting
of the Livonia Employees Credit Union to be held Thursday, January 13, 1955
at 8:00 p.m. at the Fire Station No. 2 located on Farmington Road South of
Plymouth Road.
Lieutenant Bob Perry gave a brief summary of the credit union and what is
required in order to join.
The secretary read letter dated 'January 3, 1955 from Dr. Waldemar E. Gizynski
regarding his petition No. Z-64 asking that the zoning classification of Lot 1,
B. E. Taylor's Greenmoor Subdivision located in the Northwest 1/4 of Section
24 and situated on the Southwest corner of Five Mile and Harii son Avenue
be changed from RUFB to C-1. Dr. Gizynski was not present.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, seconded by Mr. Conway and
unanimously carried, it was
#1-2-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on November 9, 1954 on Petition No. Z-64 as submitted by
Dr. Waldemar E. Gizynski, et al for a change of zoning in the
Northwest 1/4 of Section 24 from RUFB to C-1 the City Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Dr. Gizynski's request dated January 3, 1955 that this petition
be withdrawn be granted, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in
the official newspaper, The Livonian under date of October 21,
1954 and notice of which hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison
Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Tele-
phone Company, The Consumers Power Company, City Departments
and petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read letter dated January 6, 1955 from Dyer C. Baird requesting
approval of final plat of Bell Creek Farms Subdivision, No. 2. Messrs. Dyer C.
Baird and Robert J. Eoff were present.
Mr. Ventura read from Subdivision Rules and Regulations where approval of
plat becomes null and void after one year if an extension of time is not
requested and granted. Maintained extension of time should come before year
is up although commission granted extension of six months December 28, 1954.
Stated Messrs. Eoff and Baird tried to by-pass this commission by going to the
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City Council December 17, 1954. The City Council at that time referred them
back to this commission. Stated in the resolution adopted by City Council
September 8, 1952 the subdivision plat was tentatively approved on condition
that prior to final approval such plat be approved by Planning Commission.
Mr. Baird stated that they did not go to City Council and that this commission
has letter from Herald Hamill which they asked him to furnish. Stated they
did not direct Mr. Hamill to send letter to a particular department and that
he directed letter to Mayor Hartom who in turn directed it to the City Council.
Stated they never attempted to by-pass this commission and that they did not
direct anything to the City Council.
Mr. Ventura read portions of Act 172, Public Acts of 1929, as amended regarding
the definition of "subdivider (page 26) Section 2 which stated that the word
"subdivider when used in this act, shall mean the partitioning or dividing of
a lot, tract or parcel of land into 10 or more lots, plats, sites or other
divisions of land for the purpose, whether immediate or future, of sale or
occupancy for residential purposes or development and (page 43) Section 77a
which stated any person, firm or corporation who shall hereafter sell or offer
for sale any lot, piece or parcel of land subdivided as in this act provided,
without first having recorded a plat thereof in compliance with tme provisions
of this act, shall forfeit and pay the sum of $50 for each lot, part or parcel
so sold or offered for sale, in addition to all other penalties or forfeitures
herein provided. Mr. Ventura stated Mr. Eoff has sold several lots which the
commission has a list ofn to names of the present owners. Recommended to
commission that this plaabe given final approval until the commission has
an opinion from City Attorney.
*Mr. Dallas F. Hay left meeting at approximately 8:55 p.m.
*Mr. Robert L. Greene arrived at meeting at approximately 8:55 p.m.
Mr. Baird stated that he would like to call to the attention of the commission
the contents of his letter dated November 22, 1954. Stated that all the
improvements are in and that Mr. Hamill has approved plat in its entirety.
There has been no material change in plat since tentative approval January,
1953; therefore this plat should be approved because it is exactly the same.
Mr. Ventuara said he would like to have opinion from City Attorney on plat not
having been recorded.
Mr. Baird asked what they could do to get this plat approved.
Upon a motion duly made by- Mr. Robinson and seconded by Mr. Conway, it was
#1-3-55 RESOLVED that, approval of final plat of Bell Creek Farms
Subdivision, No. 2 located in the Northwest 1/4 of Section
15 be tabled until such time as the commission is able to
obtain a legal opinion from the City Attorney on whether or
not Section 77a of Act 172 Public Acts of 1929, as amended
has been or is being violated.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Steinhoff, Conway, Nielsen, Ventura and Salinas
NAYS: None
NOT VOTING: Greene
The secretary read letter dated January 5, 1955 referring Petition No. Z-87
as submitted by Joseph F. Slavik, Rouge Building Company for the commission's
consideration and recommendation. Messrs. William Nern, Attorney, Municipal
Building, Oak Park and Joseph Slavik were present.
Mr. Ventura stated that this petition is being discussed because the petition
involves a large piece of land requiring several changes in zoning. Gave the
present zoning in area and the required change. Stated that when petition
was filed there was a little confusion as to legal description. Suggested to
Mr. Nern that he come before commission to discuss petition and see what
commission feels should be done so that commission can have correct
description. _
Mr. Nern stated that on the zoning map the districts are shown from the center
of the road and that at the time the petition was being prepared he contacted
the City Attorney who suggested it would be best to indicate parcels from
the center of the road.
_ Mr. Ventura stated the parcels involved extend approximately 1,900 feet West
of Inkster Road and that if this petition is granted the zoning in this
section will be cut up.
Mr. Nern stated the purpose of changing the zoning is to concerntrate business
on the one corner and that strip zoning only causes traffic congestion.
Mrs. Nielsen asked that petition be read. Mr. Harsha read portion of petition.
Mr. Ventura asked whether for publication purposes it would be necessary to
print the entire petition or whether the commission clearly understands it.
Stated he and Mr. Salinas discussed the possibility of having a sketch made
showing the proposed change. Stated the other question to be discussed is
whether this commission would go along with this petition as submitted.
Mr. Robinson asked whether it would be wise to rezone area to C-1 instead of
C-2.
Mr. Greene stated that who ever developes to the West might not follow this
pattern and use strip zoning. Asked whether this would cause complications.
inasmuch as there would be residences on Schoolcraft abutting C-2 District.
Mr. Slavik stated there is a ranch home on the piece which would be left C-2.
Mr. Robinson stated he did not feel adjoining property owners to the West
should be burdened with expense of greenbelt and that subdivider should put
greenbelt in.
Mr. Slivik stated Mr. Rutenbar stated he would rezone to R-1.
Mr. Robinson stated it would be best not to leave this piece C-2 because of
the uses permitted in such a zone -- example: Carnivals, dry cleaning plants,
etc. Mr. Ventura stated these uses would have to have the approval of this
commission.
Mr. Harsha noted there was a dead end street shown on the plat leading into
the property to the West and that he did not think this commission would let
them develop four lots on this street because fire equipment would not be able
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to reach homes.
Mr. Slavik suggested temporary cul—de—sac until street is cut through.
Mr. Robinson stated the Fire Department frowns on cul—de—sacs as long as
shown on this plat.
Mr. Slavik statedthis was a .hardship case because somewhere the records
state Lyndon must continue South which leaves large trangular piece of land
which can only be handled this way.
Mr. Greene asked about school site in this area. Mr. Slavik said he had
met with Mr. Michaelson this afternoon to discuss this problem. Mr. Ventura
stated that the Harrison School is located near here.
Mr. Robinson suggested letters from the proper authorities stating
disposition and adequacy of storm and sanitary sewers.
Mr. Ventura suggested size of main and location of hydrants be shown on plats.
Upon a motion duly made by Mrs. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Harsha and
unanimously carried, it was
#1-4-55 RESOLVED that, this meeting be adjourned.
At approximately 9:45 p.m. Chairman Peter A. Ventura called the meeting
adjourned.
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H. Paul Harsha Acting Secretary
ATTESTED:
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Peter A. Ventura, Chairman