HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1955-02-15 411J9
MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED PUBLIC HEARING AND THE
54TH REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
On February 15, 1955 the above meeting was held by the City Planning Commission
at the City Hall, 33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan. Chairman Peter A.
Ventura called the Adjourned Public Hearing to order at approximately 8:05 p.m.
Members present: *Dallas F. Hay Daniel Lepo H. Paul Harsha
William Robinson Karle Steinhoff Peter A. Ventura
Edwin Conway Robert L. Greene Rufino Salinas
Members absent: None
The following were present together with approximately ten people attending
the Adjourned Public Hearing and the Regular Meeting.
Lieutenant Bob Perry - Fire Department
**Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr. - Chief Inspector
Mr. Russell Ashmore - City Attorney
The secretary announced that the first item on the agenda was the proposed
Lyndon Manor Subdivision, No. 2 located on the East side of Flamingo Avenue
approximately 250 feet North of Lyndon Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section
23. The sedretary read letter dated February 15, 1955 from Russell C. Ashmore.
Messrs. Burton Warner, Warner and Warner and Ben Kerr, B. E. Taylor's, Inc.
were present.
Mr. Ventura stated that this proposed subdivision was tabled because the
petitioner was not present at the hearing January 25, 1955 at which time an
adjoining property owner was present and questioned whether he had to build
a house to conform to the homes proposed in this subdivision. Stated his lot
was located near Lot 44, Lyndon Manor Subdivision, No. 2.
Mr. Kerr stated this property owner apparently owns lot in Lynch n Manor Sub-
division which is covered by restrictions in that particular subdivision and
not by the restrictbns in the proposed Lyndon Manor Subdivision, No. 2.
Mr. Ventura stated that the Bell County Drain No. 2 runs through this proposed
subdivision and asked whether they intended to cover this drain or leave it
open.
Mr. Warner stated they propose to leave the drain open as it is now. Stated
it is an old township drain.
Mr. Salinas stated that this drain has been open for some time.
Mr. Ventura stated that there is no reason why this commission should approve
proposed subdivision and let this condition exist Which could be corrected.
In time an open ditch might create a bad situation.
Mr. Warner stated that in his opinion it would not seem reasonable to enclose
this drain with a subdivision ofthis type.
*Page 809 and 814
**Page 805
Page 809
230
Mr. Ventura stated it should be closed at this time. Asked who would stand
the cost of closing it later.
Mr. Warner stated it would be reasonable that it would be assessed against
those in the drainage district.
Mr. Harsha mentioned an open ditch that existed parsllel to Plymouth Road near
the site of the Ford Central Part Plant. Mr. Salinas stated that that was a
different situation.
Mr. Hay stated that this would be a septic tank subdivision.
Mr. Greene asked how deep the water would stand. Mr. Warner stated that the
Bell Drain drains a large area and that when there is a heavy storm it runs
full.
Mr. Greene stated that from a standpoint of the children it would not be
desirable. Mr. Warner stated that that is something they do not want to look
forward to but that the same situation exists in any open stream in the City.
Cited the West branch Middle Rouge in Detroit as an example. Mr. Greene stated
children still drown in it too.
Mr. Ventura stated he did not think the West branch of the Middle Rouge was a
good comparison. Stated he considers open ditch smelly and obnoxious. Stated
it would enhance value of property to enclose drain across this proposed sub-
division.
Mr. Warner stated it would enhance value of property but that it would not be
economical.
Mr. Salinas stated that to cover a few feet will not gain too much as the
entire area has open drainage ditches
Mr. Ventura stated that the commission required enclosure of ditch in South
end of City and that this proposed subdivision could turn out to be large
subdivision.
Mr. Kerr stated that the reason for this subdivision along East side of Farm-
ington Road is intended to create buffer to property in back.
Mr. Ventura asked who is going to pay for closing of ditch asthat area is
built up and that that ditch will not be able to take care of future water.
Mr. Warner stated that this ditch may not be the roots that will be incorpor-
ated in future and that covering ditch at this time is not necessily the long
range answer. Believe people who benefit by it will pay for it and that the
benefit will extend over large area.
Mr. Ventura stated that he did not believe it would be unfair to require this
ditch be covered when other developers are required to cover ditches in their
proposed subdivision.
Mr. Salinas stated that City Council and City Engineer aead take care of the
improvements. Mr. Ventura stated improvements are as much a part of a proposed
subdivision as the street layout.
21/1
Mr. Harsha asked whether there was report from D.P.W. and the Planning Consultant
Mr. Kerr stated that he could see covering ditch if they were going to develop
entire area over to West aide of Henry Ruff Road.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Harsha and seconded by Mr. Greene, it was
#2-35-55 RESOLVED that, proposed Lyndon Manor Subdivision, No. 2 located
on the East side of Flamingo Avenue approximately 250 feet North
of Lyndon Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 23 be tabled
until such time as commission has received report from Department
of Public Works, City Engineer, Planning Consultant and County
Drainage Commission.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Conway, Greene, Steinhoff, Lepo, Hay, Harsha
and Ventura
NAYS: Salinas
**Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr., Chief Inspector arrived at approximately 8:30 p.m.
The secretary read petition dated January 10, 1955 from Richard W. Gadd,
Cadillac Millwork and Lumber Company requesting permission to erect two
signs; (a) Porcelain sign 51 x 91 to be mounted on a steel pool not to exceed
15" past property line, and (b) Flat painted sign 41 x 121 which will read
"Parking Entrance" on Parcel G31 located on the North side of Plymouth Road
approximately 1,050 feet West of Merriman Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section
27. Mr. Walter T. Hall, Walter T. Hall Signs was present representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Hall stated that sign (a) would read "Cadillac Hardware and Lumber" and
that it would have lights. Stated sign (b) is entirely on property.
Mr. Ventura asked Mr. Wood the progress of the proposed Sign Ordinance.
Mr. Wood stated he handed into City Attorney all the different ordinances
in near-by communities but that an ordinance has not been prepared.
Mr. Ventura asked whether these two signs would have to have permit. Mr. Wood
stated that there has to be a permit on all signs over 35 square feet.
Mr. Hay asked whether they have to have permit from State Highway Department.
Mr. Hall stated only if it extends over 15" over property line. Stated this
proposed sign sets back of building.
No one was present opposed Lo this petition.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Hay, seconded by Mr. Conway and unanimously
carried, it was
#2-36-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held the
City Planning Commission does hereby grant the petition of
Richard W. Gadd, Cadillac Millwork and Lumber Company requesting
permission to erect two signs- (a) Porcelain sign 51 x 91 to be
mounted on a steel pool not to exceed 15" past property line and
(b) Flat painted sign 41 x 12s which will read "Parking Entrance"
on Parcel G31 located on the North side of Plymouth Road approxi-
232
mately 1,050 feet West of Merriman Road in the Southeast 1/4
of Section 27, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read petition dated January 22, 1955 from Walter T. Hall,
Walter T. Hall Signs requesting permission to erect 38' sign with individual
letters to read "Fil-Mar Super Market" on the front marquee of store located
27531 Grand River Avenue, Lots 19 through 22, Assessor's Plat Argonne State
Subdivision and situated on the South side of Grand River Avenue between
Antago and Rensellor Avenues in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 1. Mr. Walter
Hall was present.
Mr. Hall stated that being sign with individual letters he did not think it
required approval of Planning Commission. Erected sign and applied for
permit. At the time permit was applied for he was told that it had to have
approval of Planning Commission. Stated Mr. H. Capaldi filed petition at
which Public Hearing he (Mr. Hall) was ill and the second hearing there was a
misunderstanding of who would attend hearing. Stated sign has been up since
that time. Stated sign letters were porcelain lit with neon.
No one was present opposed to this petition.
Mr. Hay asked if the marquee extended over sidewalk. Mr. Hall stated there
was a 5' overhang.
Mr. Hay asked whether court case was postponed pending the outcome of this
hearing.
Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr. stated the reason this court case was adjourned was that a
summons was issued to Mr. H. Capaldi whereas it should have been issued to
Mr. Hall. Stated Judge held it up until Mr. Hall had an opportunity to
appear before this commission. Stated he could see no reason why they should
not have approval of sign.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Conway, seconded by Mr. Lepo and unanimously
carried, it was
#2-37-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held the
City Planning Commission does hereby grant the petition of Walter T.
Hall requesting permission to erect 38' sign with individual letters
to read "fil Mar Super Market" on the front marquee of store
located 27531 Grand River Avenue, Lots 19 through 22, Assessor's
Plat Argonne State Subdivision and situated on the South side of
Grand River Avenue between Antago and Rensellor Avenues in the
Northeast 1/4 of Section 1, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the application
by Ralph L. Dice, D & H Sand Company (t) for a permit to remove sand from
Parcel A7 containing approximately 2.81 acres located South side of School-
craft Road approximately 650 feet East of Hubbard Road in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 27. The secretary read letter dated February 10, 1955 from W. R. Mc
Cary, Supt. of Public Works and announced that the application had been signed
by Chief George Harmon, Police Department. Mr. Dice was present.
Mr. Ventura stated that the commission has been requesting topographic survey
Mr. Dice stated he was not aware of this.
Mr. Robinson, Chairman Topsoil Committee stated thatthe committee discussed
having written permission from property owner stating that applicant has
permission to remove soil, etc.
Mr. Conway presented instance of an application filed for removal of soil on
property, owner had no knowledge of. Application fortunately was denied by
this commission.
Mr. Hay stated that as a rule applicant has written contract which this
commission could ask be presented at time of hearing.
Mr. Robinson stated they visited site although without a topographic survey
they did not know exact location of removal. Stated area appeared to have
a low spot and that in rear of property it appeared to be high.
Mr. Dice asked when rule was adopted that grade meant a level of two feet
above the nearest existing or proposed street. Mr. Ventura stated he did not
know of such an ordinance.
Mr. Hay asked Mr. Dice if he was going to remove sand immediately.. Mr. Dice
stated he would start operation first of June.
Mr. Conway suggested Mr. Dice obtain copy of what D.P.W. wants.
Mr. Hay stated commission could approve application subject to the topographic
survey being approved by the D.P.W.
Mr. Ventura stated commission should have survey before approval is given.
Mr. William Remaley, 32237 Schoolcraft asked why the sand has to be removed.
from this parcel of land. Mr. Dice stated because he would like to purchase
sand and the owner would like to sell it.
Mr. Remaley stated removing the sand would deface the land around it. Not
enough sand in there to bother with and will ruin property on the East and on
the West.
Mr. Ventura asked how far Mr. Remaley's property was located from property
as stated in the application. Mr. Remaley stated 2001.
Mr. Remaley stated he objects to petition because he cannot see any reason they
want to remove sand, not enough to bother with and when they remove sand it
will just create another hole. Stated the hole Light Weight Aggregate Corpor-
ation made is just behind his property.
234
. ,
Mr. Robinson asked Mr. Remaley whether water stands in the low area mentioned
by him. Mr. Remaley stated nyesr and also on the Hargraves property.
Mr. Ventura stated this can be cleared up when a survey is submitted.
Mr. Ventura read portion of Section 4.13, Zoning Ordinance, No. 60 and stated
grade level will be established by D.P.W. when the petition is granted.
Mr. Ralph Feasel, 32121 Schoolcraft, owner of property stated that the topsoil
was removed before he purchased property and that they have a very bad
situation with the sand blowing. Stated neighbors on East complain about sand
blowing on his property. Explained to commission that he tried to grow rye,
etc. but that there was nothing to hold it. Wish sand be removed so that sod
may be grown.
Mr. Ventura stated that once sand is removed there would be less chance of
growing anything.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, seconded by Mr. Conway and unanimously
carried, it was
#2-38-55 RESOLVED that, application of Ralph L. Dice, D & H Sand Company (t)
for a permit to remove sand from Parcel A7 containing approximately
2.81 acres located South side of Schoolcraft Road approximately 650
feet East of Hubbard Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 27 be
tabled until the Regular Meeting, 1°'arch 15, 1955 in order to give
petitioner opportunity to submit topographic survey.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Salinas stated that he would appreciate expression of commission on asking
all applicants to submit topographic survey at the time application is filed
thus eliminating delay.
Mr. Ventura suggested commission ask City Council to amend ordinance to
include this.
Mr. Hay asked why commission should ask City Council to amend ordinance when
in a short period of time commission will present an entirely new topsoil
ordinance. Suggested Chairman of Topsoil Committee incorporate this suggestion
in the proposed ordinance.
Mr. Ventura stated to Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr. that this commission would like to
make recommendation that when an applicant obtains blanks for removal of top
soil that he be told that he will be asked to supply topographic survey.
Mr. Harsha stated that topographic survey can be most anything, it depends on
how far points are taken. Suggested D.P.W. or City Engineer give commission
recommendation on whether these should be taken at 251, 501 or 1001 intervales.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Hay, seconded by Mr. Steinhoff and unanimously
carried, it was
#2-39-55 RESOLVED that, this adjourned public hearing be adjourned until
next Public Hearing which is March 8, 1955.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Chairman Peter A. Ventura called a recess at approximately 9:05 p.m.
*Mr. Dallas F. Hay was excused from meeting at approximately 9:05 p.m.
Chairman Peter A. Ventura called the 54th Regular Meeting to order at approxi-
mately 9:23 p.m. with all present named at beginning of meeting except
Mr. Dallas F. Hay.
Mr. Russell Ashmore arrived at meeting at approximately 9:23 p.m.
The secretary announced that the first item on the agenda was the application
of William D. Smith (m-1) for a permit to remove topsoil and fill sand from
Parcel M3 containing 15 acres located South side of Five Mile Road approxi-
mately 1,725 feet West of Fairlane Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 21.
Mr. Smith wasnot present.
The secretary announced that information as requested December 14, 1954 and
January 18, 1955 has not been received and there has been no further
communication from Mr. Smith.
Mr. Conway stated that as a member of the Topsoil Committee he contacted
Mr. Smith and that Mr. Smith's wife is very ill at this time.
Mr. Harsha stated that at this time of year it is very difficult to make
topographic survey as one might obtain true readings and then again one might
not. Stated Mr. Smith might be slow for this reason also.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, seconded by Mr. Conway and
unanimously carried, it was
#2-40-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
December 14, 1954 the City Planning Commission does hereby deny
without prejudice the application of William D. Smith (m-1) for
a permit to remove topsoil and fill sand from Parcel M3 contain-
ing 15 acres located South side of Five Mile Road approximately
1,725 feet West of Fairlane Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section
21, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
owners within 500 feet, petitioner, City Departments as listed in
the Proof of Service and recommendation having been obtained from
the Department of Public Works under date of December 13, 1954 and
from the Police Department under date of December 14, 1954.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition No. Z-81
Fy Alex Gordon, Gordon & Scheurman asking that the zoning classification of
rarcel B2aB2bl located on the Southeast corner of Gill Road and Seven Mile Road
in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 9 be changed from AG-B to R-1B.
The Chairman declared that no one was present representing the petitioner, have
not received communication from petitioner and have not received material as
26(3
requested December 7, 1954.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Conway, seconded by Mr. Robinson, and
unanimously carried, it was
#2-41-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
December 7, 1954 on Petition No. Z-81 as submitted by Alex Gordon
Gordon & Scheurman for a change of zoning in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 9 from AG-B to R-1-B the City Planning Commission does here-
by recommend to the City Council that Petition No. Z-81 be denied
without prejudice, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was published
in the official newspaper, The Livonian under date of November 18,
1954 and notice of which hearing was sent to The Detroit Edison
Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone
Company, The Consumers Power Company, City Departments and
petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition No. Z-80
by Thomas D. and Marvel C. Boone asking that the zoning classification of Parcel
R6 located on the North side of Five Mile Road approximately 125 feet West of
Reddon Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 13 be changed from R-1-B to C-1
The secretary read letter dated February 7, 1955 from Ruth E. Bliefield,
Attorney; amended petition dated February 11, 1955 and letter dated January 18,
1955 from Russell Ashmore. Mr. Thomas Boone and Miss Ruth Bliefield were
present. 3
Miss Bliefield stated that as the City Attorney has indicated in his letter if
we continue with 100' depth we have back portion of property which would be
useless. Stated property was 127' on Five Mile Road and 262' in depth.
Mr. Ventura asked type of business comtemplated if petitinn is granted.
Miss Bliefield stated she has advised property owners not to make any plans
until this commission has made their decision.
Mr. Harsha asked whether property extends through to Pershing. Miss Bliefield
stated it did not.
Mr. Ventura asked whether property backs up to property which is fronting on
Greenlane. Miss Bliefield stated it did not as there is a house there.
No one was present opposed to this petition as amended.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Salinas, seconded by Mr. Lonway and
unanimously carried, it was
#2-42-55 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing, having been held on
December 7, 1954 on Petition No. Z-80 as submitted by Thomas D.
and Marvel C. Boone for a change of zoning in the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 13 from R-1 B to C-1 the City Planning Commission does
hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition No. Z-80, as
amended be granted, and
2t.! 8
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in
the official newspaper, The Livonian under date of November 18,
Is 1954 and notice of which hearing was sent to The Detroit Edison
Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Tele-
phone Company, The Consumers Power Company, City Departments and
petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read letter dated January 17, 1955 from Roger H. Blackwood,
Fred Blackwood Company regarding Laurel Glens Subdivision, The secretary
stated that the Laurel Glens Subdivision was given tentative approval by the
commission January 8, 1953. Messrs. Roger Blackwood and Burton Warner were
present.
Mr. Salinas stated that according to original petition, septic tanks and wells
were to be used. Asked if this was still true.
Mr. Warner stated that they anticipated that they will have to prepare new
layout as there has been many changes in platting, etc. Stated septic tanks
will be used but that there now is water available. Purpose of petition was
to find mit steps which were to be taken.
Mr. Ventura stated that he did not believe Plat Committee has had opportunity
to study plan. Mr. Harsha stated he did see plan as given tentative approval
two years ago.
L Mr. Ventura stated he would like - o see matter referred to Planning Consultant.
Stated commission has been requiring area map.
Mr. Warner stated there was nothing particular in area except school site.
Agreed to prepare area map.
Mr. Ventura stated they would have to bring in preliminary plans and start
allover again as plat has become null and void.
Mr. Salinas stated land would have to be re-zoned before plats brought in.
Mr. Ventura stated a plat has been tentatively approved before new procedure
and that commission has benn lenient in this case.
Mr. Blackwood stated a petition for re-zoning will be presented to this
commission March 8, 1955.
Mr. Harsha presented the problem of Laurel and the fact that as shown on the
City Map and this proposed subdivision plat Laurel has a severe jog. A
lengthy discussion followed.
Mr. Ventura read from Subdivision Rules and Regulations Section 4.02 (m)
Mr. Warner stated that he had preliminary plat available for commissions
inspection tonight if the commission so desired.
ILMr. Robinson asked whether they intended to have storm sewers throughout sub-
division. Mr. Warner stated they will change the course of ditch and it will
be covered.
�� Z)
•.0.1
.1w
Mr. Greene stated the big lots as shown on the proposed plat are desirable.
Mr. Ventura asked the size of the homes. Mr. Blackwood stated 1,500 square
feet.
Mr. Ventura appointed Mr. Daniel Lepo to serve as third member on the Plat
Committee.
Mr. Warner stated on the revised subdivision plat there is shown five more
lots over the one previously submitted in 1953.
Mr. Ventura suggested the number of acres be shown on each lot.
Mr. Salinas suggested the street names be shown.
Mr. Ventura stated that he would like to turn this revised plat over to the
Plat Committee for study.
Mr. Ventura stated that the Fire Department has requested that the water lines
and location of hydrants be shown on proposed plats.
Mr. Burton stated that the fact that there is school site in area will require
change. Stated half street is unsatisfactory. Stated there might be some
way the houses could back up to East line of proposed subdivision.
Mr. Harsha stated the Planning Consultant should look the plat over.
No action was taken by the commission at this time on the proposed Laurel
Glens Subdivision.
The secretary read letter dated February 8, 1955 from Samuel Hechtman,
Practical Home Builders, Inc. regarding the proposed Hearthstone Subdivision.
The secretary also read letters dated January 28, 1955 from A. T. Kunze,
Sanitary Engineer, Wayne County Road Commissioners and dated February 11, 1955
from L. E. Schmidt, Supt., Clarenceville Public Schools, Messrs. Samuel
Hechtman and E. L. Jones were present.
Mr. Hechtman. drew to the commissions attention Lots 37 through 39 and Lots 42
through 44. Asked whether the 601 as stated in the ordinance means at the
building line or the lot line when lot is located on a curve such as these
lots. Stated these lots are 601 at building line.
Mr. Harsha stated he has never approved 401 on curved street and never will.
Mr. Ventura agreed with Mr. Harsha and suggested the eye-brow be increased.
Mr. Hechtman asked the minimum the commission would approve.
The way the houses would face on Lots 40,41,51,52,61,62,63,64,124 and 125
was discussed at length. Mr. Jones brought out the fact that they were
negotiating with The Detroit Edison Company for power easements to run along •
Pembrook. Stated they would prefer to side houses on Pembrook.
:31
Mr. Harsha stated the easements were not shown on the proposed plat.
Mr. Jones stated they have given plan to The Detroit Edison Company
Mr. Harsha stated :hat in his opinion 50' should be the minimum lot line on a
curved street.
Mr. Ventura asked the number of acres to be dedicated to the City for the
park site. Mr. Hechtman stated approximately 141/2 acres
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Salinas, seconded by Mr. Robinson and unanimously
carried, it was
#2-43-55 RESOLVED that, an extension of six (6) months from this date be
granted to Mr. Samuel Hechtman, Practical Home Builders, Inc. on
the proposed Hearthstone Subdivision located in the Northwest 1/4
of Section 1.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Harsha stated that as shown on the location map Bretton Road dead ends to
this property. Also there are extremely long blocks on East and West side of
subdivision with no ingress or egress which is in violation of subdivision
Rules and Regulations.
Mr. Ventura read Section 4.06, Subdivision Rules and Regulations.
Mr. Jones suggested for good planning that Bretton Road East of Parkville
Avenue be vacated as it does not serve any purpose. Stated it was his under-
standing that previously commission desired Pembroke (86' street) be extended
to parkville Avenue. If Bretton Road was also cut through to Maplewood, it
would formulate very small blocks.
Lieutenant Bob Perry left meeting at approximately 10:40 p.m.
Mr. Jones stated that most communities have agreed to longer block length-
as much as 1,400 feet in length.
Mr. Harsha stated he would like to see Fargo go through and that he thinks
block is too long. Stated property owners West of Angling Road feel that
block is too long.and that it boxes up the back portion of their property.
Mr. Hechtman stated they will grant any streets that commission has talked
about provided City of Livonia will give property so that street will cut
through.
Mr. Harsha stated there would have to be a jog in Fargo because of the
contour of the land West of Angling Road.
Mr. Hechtman asked whether it would be possible for commission to grant
tentative approval, subject to additions, of entire subdivision in view of the
letter from Clarenceville School District which would also give them
opportunity to proceed with subdivision.
Mr. Ventura stated this plat should be sent to Planning Consultant for opinion
and recommendation.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the submission of
final plat of Pearl Wilson Subdivision, No. 4 located in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 36.
Ii()
The secretary read letter dated February 14, 1955 from Mrs. Marie W. Clark
City Clerk regarding surety bond for the Pearl Wilson Subdivision, No. 4 and
letter dated January 25, 1955 from Herald Hamill, Engineer. Mr. George Lewis
was present.
Mr. Ventura asked whether subdivision plat has been changed in any way from
plat originally given tentative approval. Mr. Lewis stated "no».
*Mr. Dallas F. Hay returned to meeting at approximately 11:07 p.m.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Harsha and seconded by Mr. Steinhoff, it was
#2-44-55 RESOLVED that, final plat of Pearl Wilson Subdivision, No. 4
located in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 36 be given final
approval, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that'
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the City
Planning Commission under date of January 19, 1954; and it
further appearing that said proposed plat together with the
plans and specifications for improvements therein have been
approved by the Department of Public Works under date of
December 22, 1954; and it further appearing that a bond in the
amount of $169,900 to oover the installation of improvements
has been filed in the office of the City Clerk under date of
February 10, 1955; such bond having been approved by Russell
Ashmore, City Attorney on February 11, 1955 it would therefore
appear that all the conditions necessary to the release of
building permits have been met and the Building Department is
hereby so notified.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Conway, Greene, Steinhoff, Lepo, Harsha, Ventura
and Salinas
NAYS: None
NOT VOTING: Hay
The secretary read letter dated February g, 1955 from Mayor Elbert M. Hartom
regarding notice of the 5th Annual Planning and Zoning Conference of the
Detroit Metropolitan Area Regional Planning Commission to be held on February
24 and 25, 1955. The secretary also read some of the subjects covered at
this conference.
Mr. Ventura stated that unless the commission members mix with planners in
other communities this commission is not going to learn much from each other.
Stated that some of the members cannot take off work and stand the loss.
Stated he could not see why one could not be given sufficient expense for
attending this conference from the Travel and Car Allowance Account. If one
takes off from his business one should be reimbursed.
Mr. Robinson stated he would like to attend but he could not stand the loss.
Mr. Ashmore stated that at this time Mr. David Jones, Council Member has
petitioned the City Council for a similar reimbursement. Stated he believed
414
a decision would be made at the Adjourned Council meeting Thursday
February 17, 1955.
Mr. Ventura stated the City Council should not have any objection to money
being spent which was allowed for this purpose in the budget. Stated that
being paid and being reimbursed is two different things.
Mr. Robinson asked what amount the commission could be reimbursed. Mr. Ven-
tura suggested something fair and standard.
Mr. Harsha stated that for some of the members it is not a matter of
reimbursement but a matter of getting the time off work. Stated that he
could not get away even on a Saturday but did not object to someone going and
being reimbursed.
Mr. Hay stated that this is an annual affair.
Mr. Ventura stated that the School District has set up a certain amount per
day plus expenses.
Mr. Ventura stated that he did not believe the commission would have to go to
the City Council as there is sufficient funds in the budget.
Mr. Robinson suggested figure of $20 for loss of salary plus any other
expense.
Mr. Harsha stated that a man should get whatever salary he would lose for the
day.
Mr. Ventura stated that on the otherhand if one made more than $20 a day he
should feel he would be gaining something from attending the conference.
Upon a motionduly made by Mr. Robinson and seconded by Mr. Conway, it was
#2-45-55 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission members attending
the 5th Annual Planning and Zoning Conference of the Detroit
Metropolitan Area Regional Planning Commission to be held
February 24 and 25, 1955 be reimbursed $20 a day plus expenses.
from the Travel and Expense Allowance Account.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Conway, Greene, Steinhoff, Lepo, Hay, Harsha,
Ventura and Salinas
NAYS: None
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the report dated
February 4, 1955 from Mr. Albe E. Munson regarding Ashurst Road and the pro-
posed school, section 16.
Mr. Ventura stated that this report was prepared at the request of the School
District and that it was his opinion that commission should study it. Stated
that he had sent a copy to the D.P.W. with the suggestion that they take
particular notice of Page 2 regarding shrubs or trees north of the gates
drain culvert on Ashurst.
242
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinan, Seconded by Mr. Greene and
unanimously carried, it was
#2-46-55 RESOLVED that, report dated February 4, 1955 from Mr. Albe E.
Munson regarding Ashurst Road and the proposed school, Section
16 be placed on file.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read letter dated February 9, 1955 from Marie W. Clark, City
Clerk regarding City Council approval of the appointment of Daniel J. Lepo.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the approval of
the minutes of the meetings January 11, 1955 and January 18, 1955.
Mr. Harsha stated that in the January 11, 1955 minutes there are two corrections
to be made (1) Page 761 - "Mr. Vehtura stated that these uses would have the
approval of this commission„ which should read "Mr. Ventura stated these uses
would have to have approval of this commission" and (2) Page 760 - roll call
vote on Resolution No. 1-3-55 is incorrect. It was suggested that the
secretary (Mrs. Fulton) review her notes for the correct roll call vote on
Resolution No. 1.3.55.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Harsha and seconded by Mr. Robinson, it was
#2-47-55 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the meeting January 18, 1955 be
accepted as received.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Conway, Hay, Harsha, Ventura aid Salinas
NAYS: None
NOT VOTING: Greene, Steinhoff and Lepo
Mr. Salinas stated that he had obtained from the Detroit Edison Company
prices on 1952 aeriel maps.
scale of 2001 to inch - $10.00 per sheet
scale of 3001 to inch - 6.00 per sheet
scale of 4001 to inch - 4.00 per sheet
Mr. Salinas stated it would require 36 sheets to cover entire city.
Mr. Ashmore suggested that the Planning Commission incorporate their aeriel
maps with the Bureau of Taxation. Stated the City does have some of the maps
Stated other departments should share cost and taking of prints.
Mr. Ventura appointed the following committee to look further into this
matter and return to commission with recommendations
Rufino Salinas, Chairman
Robert L. Greene
H. Paul Harsha
2473
Mr. Ventura read article appearing in The Detroit News Monday, February 7,
1955 titled "Council Accepts $200 Million Plan to Redevelop Slums."
Councilman David Jones and Mayor Elbert E. Hartom arrived at meeting at
approximately 11:45 p.m.
Mr. Ashmore explained to Mr. Jones that the commission had adopted Resolution
No. 2-45-55, it contents and the reason for its adoption.
Mr. Jones suggested that commission ask City Council to pass resolution to the
effect of Resolution No. 2-45-55 and that separate vouchers be submitted for
each member attending conference. Stated only the City Council can authorize
such expense and that this commission should not authorize the expense itself.
Stated in his opinion it was legitimate expense.
Mr. Ventura stated he would endeavor to have this item placed on the City
Council agenda Thursday.
Mr. Jones left meeting at approximately 11:47 p.m.
The secretary read report from committee (Messrs. Hay, Harsha and Robinson)
appointed to study the tentative map of City of Livonia as prepared by Mr. A.
Munson, Planning Consultant.
Mr. Ventura suggested that this report be forwarded to Mr. Munson
Mr. Hay stated that existing streets obviously in alignment with another but
with different name can be corrected at this time.
Mr. Robinson suggested that it would be only fair to give Mr. Munson part of
the agreed payment for this work.
Mr. Hay stated that if Mr. Munson is going to attend meeting February 22, 1955
that this matter could be discussed at this time.
Mayor Hartom suggested that dotted lines be used instead of solid lines in
showing the streets in the undeveloped land.
Mr. Ventura presented for commission's inspection booklet distributed by The
Detroit Edison Company titled "Planting for Permanent Beauty."
It was suggested that a copy be obtained for each member of the commission.
Mr. Ventura stated that as the commission knows Mr. George N. Bentley recently
passed away, that he attended the funeral and sent flowers from this
commission.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Hay and seconded by Mr. Greene, it was
#2-48-55 WHEREAS, George N. Bentley served with esteem as Chairman of
the First Planning Commission of the City of Livonia,
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the City Planning Commission
of the City of Livonia records in the minutes of the 54th
Regular Meeting held Tuesday, February 15, 1955 the sense of
deep loss to the City of Livonia that is felt because of the
244
death of George N. Bentley, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that a copy of this resolution be sent
to the members of the George N. Bentley Family.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Robinson, Conway, Greene, Steinhoff, Lepo, Hay, Harsha,
Ventura and Salinas
NAYS: None
Mr. Ashmore asked whether this commission has received any opinions or
recommendations from Mr. Albe Munson, Planning Consultant and whether he was
to receive copies.
Mr. Ventura stated the commission has not received recommendations but that
some are expected.
Mayor Hartom suggested that before the commission order aerial maps from The
Detroit Edison Company that they investigate those made by George Jerome &
Company, 1437 National Bank Building, Detroit 26. Stated that this concern
made flight last December over the East 1/2 of the City.
Mr. Harsha asked whether aerial maps would be kept at the City Hall or would
they be kept at other department headquarters. Stated they should be available.
when needed.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, seconded by Mr. Steinhoff and
unanimously carried, it was
#2-49-55 RESOLVED that, this meeting be adjourned.
At approximately 12:03 a.m. the Chairman declared the meeting adjourned.
(Y-
4.1c-er" Sa..414-4-4)
Rufino alinas, Secretary
ATTESTED:
Peter A. Ventura, Chairman