HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1957-07-02 MINUTES OF THE 67TH SPECIAL MEETING AND A PUBLIC HEARING OF THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF TIE CITY OF LIVONIA
On July 2, 1957 the above meeting was held by the City Planning Commission of
the City of Livonia at the City Hall, 33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan.
Chairman William n. Robinson called the Special Meeting to order at approxi-
mately 8:20 p.m.
Members present: Robert L. Greene Robert L. Miller William Robinson
Karle Steinhoff Wilfred OIC rstron
Members absent: H. Paul Harsha
Fred A. Lotz
Leonard Kane
*Charles Walker
Lieutenant Bob Perry, Livonia Fire Department was present together with
approximately 75 interested people attending the Public Hearing and the Special
Meeting.
Mr. Robinson announced because of the rapid growth of the City and because the
City Planning Commission has been conducting special studies and has been
unable to cope with the subdivision developments and after a meeting with
the Mayor and City Attorney, it has been decided that the studies have come to
a point where the Commission can go ahead and rezone certain areas of the City
to RU and RL. Assured those present that this is only a temporary measure and
the studies will have to be more complete in order to rezone the rest of the
City.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Greene and unanimously
carried, it was
#7-193-57 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission at this time on its
own motion does hereby provide for a Public Hearing to be held
to amend Zoning Ordinance No. 60 by adding the following article:
ARTICLE 5.50
R-L District Regulations
Section 5.51 Application of Article. The regulations set
forth in this article shall apply in all R-L Districts.
Section 5.52 Uses Permitted. In all R-L Districts no
building or land, except as otherwise provided in this
ordinance, shall be erected or used except for one or
more of the following specified uses:
(a) All uses in R-L Districts as specified in Article
5.00, Section 5.02.
Section 5.53 Building Heights. No building hereafter
erected or altered in R-L Districts shall exceed thirty-
five (35) feet in height or two (2) stories except as pro-
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vided in Sections 4.41 to 4.44, inclusive, of this
ordinance.
Section 5.54 Lot Area. Every lot in R-L Districts
shall have a minimum of 9,600 square feet area and a
minimum width of eight (80) feet. Any lot of record
at the tire of adoption of this amendment which is of
lesser Frea than the specifications herein provided,
and which cannot meet the requirement of area, side
yard, front yard, and/or rear yard, .shall otherwise
comply with all requirements of R-L Districts.
Section 5.55 Percentage of Lot Coverage. One family
dwellings together with accessory buildings, here-
after erected on any lot in R-L Districts shall not
cover more than twenty-five (25) percent of the area
of lot, provided that this requirement shall not
apply to any lot which at the time this ordinance
becomes effective is lesser in area than the
specifications herein provided if such lot was of
record at the time of the adoption of this ordinance.
Section 5.56 Front. Yarrl. Each lot in R-L Districts
shall have a front yard not less than twenty-five (25)
feet in depth.
Section 5.57 Side Yards in General. All lots in R-L
Districts shall have two (2) side yards each having a
width of not less than six (6) feet and the combined
width shall not be less than fifteen (15) feet.
Section 5.58 Side Yards Abutting Uton Street. Houses
on corner lots shall front on both streets, with
houses not less than twenty-five (25) feet from the
street right-of-way line.
Section 5.59 Rear Yards. Each lot in R-L Districts
shall have a rear yard of a depth not less than thirty-
five (35) feet.
Section 5.60 Off-Street Parking. Off-street parking
facilities shall be provided as hereinbefore specified
in Article 4.00, Section 4.37 to 4.40, inclusive, of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance.
that a hearing be called and notice given as provided in Section
17.03 of such ordinance; and that a report and recommendation
thereon be made to the City Council.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Steinhoff, seconded by Mr. Miller and
unanimously carried, it was
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#7-194-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby rescind
Resolution No. 5-146-57 as amended by Resolution No. 6-163-57
adopted May 21, 1957 and June 4, 1957.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Steinhoff, seconded by Mr. Greene and
unanimously carried, it was
#7-195-57 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission at this time on
its own motion does hereby provide for a Public Hearing to be
held to rezone the following described area of land:
Proposed R-U Districts shall include:
The West 1/2 of Section 4; all of Section 5; all of
Section 6; all of Section 7; all of Section 8; all of
the Northwest 1/4 Section 10 except the West 1,959 ft.
thereof; the West 1/2 of the Northeast 1/4 of Section
10; the North 1/2 of Section 15; the Northwest 1/4 of
the Southwest 1/4 of Section 15 except the South 168.48
feet thereof; the Northeast 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 15 except the South 200 feet thereof; and that
part of the Southeast 1/4 of Section 15 North of the
centerline of Myrna Avenue.
Proposed R-L Districts shall include:
The West 160 feet of Section 3 except the Northerly
810 feet and the Southerly 2,000 feet thereof; all of
the Northeast 1/4 of Section 4 except the East 560
feet of the North 210 feet and the East 160 feet of
the North 560 feet thereof; all of the Southeast 1/4
of Section 4 except the South 163 feet of the Southeast
1/4 of the Southeast 1/4 of Section 4 and the East 360
feet of the South 360 feet of the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 4; the West 28.77 acres of the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 9; all of the Northwest 1/4 of Section 9; all
of the South 1/2 of Section 9 except the East 1560
feet of the North 193 feet thereof; the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 10; the West 1/2 of the Southeast 1/4 of Section
10; the North 1/2 of Section 16 except the East 360 feet
of the North 360 feet thereof; all of the Southwest 1/4
of Section 16; all of Section 17 except the West 343
feet of the South 360 feet of the Southeast 1/4 and the
East 1043 feet of the South 460 feet of the Southwest
1/4; and all of Section 18.
from AG-B, RUF-A, RUF-B, R-1-A, R-1-B, C-1 and C-2 to R-U and
R-L as indicated above and that notice of such hearing be
mailed to the owners of the above parcel by registered mail
return receipt.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted and called a recess at
approximately 8:25 p.m.
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The chairman called the Special Meeting to order at approximately 8:32 p.m.
with all present as named at the beginning and course of meeting.
The secretary read letter dated June 11, 1957 from Norman J. Cohen, Attorney
for James S. Bonadeo requesting a six months extension on the remainder of the
proposed Bonnydale Subdivision located in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 23.
Mr. Norman Cohen was present.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Steinhoff and unanimously
carried, it was
#7-196-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby grant request
dated June 11, 1957 from Norman J. Cohen, Attorney for James °.
Bonadeo for a six months extension on the remainder of the pro-
posed Bonnydale Subdivision located in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 23.
The chairman declared the foregoing resolution adop ted.
Mr. Rodney Kropf, Asst. City Attorney arrived at approximately 8:35 p.m.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the proposed Burton
Hollow Estates Subdivision, No. 2 located on the South side of Six Mile road
approximately 1,400 feet West of Farmington Road in the Northeast 1/4 ofSection16. The secretary read letters dated June 27, 1957 from Joseph Slavik, "ouge
Building Company; dated July 1, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief Livonia Fire
Department; dated June-28, 1957 from Richard H. Funk, Coventry Gardens Improve-
ment Association; dated July 1, 1957 from James N. Jordan, Police Chief and
dated July 2 1957 from Donald Wilson, Chief Inspector. Messrs. Joseph Slavik
and William r. Nern, Attorney, 1204 North Woodward, Royal Oak were present.
Mr. Greene asked Mr. Slavik's reaction to the request for 80! lots throughout
proposed subdivision. Mr. Slavik stated he did not think area called for 80'
lots. Commission recently gave approval to 42 eight foot lots in the
Coventry Woods Subdivision and that upon request interested purchasers when
hearing price thought lots were made of gold.
Mr. Okerstrom questioned dead ending of Burton Lane and the four lots that would
be set aside for temporary cul-de-sac. Asked whether lots would be hard
surfaced. °Ir. Slavik stated that they would.
Mr. Okerstrom asked whether it would be possjble to have some means so that
children could get across creek to school. Mr. Robinson informed Mr. Slavik
that Commission has on occasions requested a-walkway.
Mr. Slavik stated that he does have a service drive across Six Mile Rdad.
Mr. Okerstrom asked whether the ravine is such that there could be a walk way
somewhere in the center of the East end of the subdivision. Mr. Slavik stated
that it would have to be a fended in bridge for the safety of the children.
Mr. Robinson suggested that Commission take this particular problem under
advisement. Asked whether Mr. Slavik would be willing to provide walk way if
Commission should ask for it. Mr. Slavik stated he would.
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Mr. Greene asked lylr. Slavik what he considered a reasonable time as mentioned
in his letter regarding discontinuation of the dump on the North side of Six
Mile Road. Mr. Slavik stated that he had been informed that the dump is
pretty well filled and that a new location will have to be found.
Mr. Nern suggested that something be done before client is ready to build
models.
Mr. Robinson suggested item be taken under advisement.
Mr. Steinhoff felt there should be more representation from the Commission
before action is taken.
The Chair announced that the proposed Burton Hollow Estates Subdivision, No. 2
would be taken under advisement.
Mr. Nern stated that they did sign a waiver but that it was not their intent
that waiver run forever. Thought the 60 day period was up as far as signing;
of the waiver was concerned. Asked legal aspect of the waiver.
Mr. Kropf stated he had to agree that a 60 day waiver cannot be continued for-
ever in the future - had to be for a reasonable length of time. Did not
believe it the commission's intent to hold petitioner for an unreasonable
length of time. However, there is no time set forth in the waiver letter.
If petitioner feels Commission is acting unreasonalbe, petitioner can move to
upset that.
The secretary announded that the next item on the agenda was the proposed
Frohlich Subdivision located on the West side of Purlingbrook Road approxi-
mately 750 feet South of Eight Mile Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 2.
The secretary read letter dated July 1, 1957 from William . Ponder, City
Attorney and Rodney C. Kropf, Asst. City Attorney.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Steinhoff and seconded by Mr. Miller, it was
#7-197-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
May 21, 1957 the City Planning Commission does hereby give
approval to preliminary plat of Frohlich Subdivision located
on the West side of Purlingbrook Road approximately 750 feet
South of Eight Mile Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 2, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
abutting property owners, proprietor, City Departments as
listed in the Proof of Service and copies ofthe plat together
with notice having been sent to the Building Department,
Superintendent of Schools, School Board President, Fire Depart-
ment, Police Department, Parks and Recreation Department and
Members of the Plat Commission.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Steinhoff, Robinson and Miller
NAYS: Okerstrom
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Okerstrom and
unanimously carried, it was
#7-198-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
June 18, 1957 on Petition No. Z-228 as submitted by Thomas
Roperti for a change of zoning in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 16 from AG-B to R-3 the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition No.
Z-228 be denied because it would be spot zoning, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonian under date of May 29,
1957 and notice of which hearing was sent to The Detroit
Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan
Bell Telephone Company, The Consumer Power Company, City
Departments and petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Application Ta25
by Dan Holloway, Holloway Construction Company requesting permission to remove
topsoil from a portion of Parcel 14R located on the Northeast corner of Five
Mile and Merriman Roads in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 14. The secretary
read letter dated July 2, 1957 from Harry H. Anbender. Messrs. Burton Warner,
Warner and Warner, 828 Farwell Building, Detroit and David Anbender, Attorney,
1961 Guardian Building, Detroit were present.
Mr. Miller asked whether the business area would be developed prior to the
residential area. Mr. Anbender stated that it would or at the same time.
Mr. Miller asked when ground would be broken for the shopping area. Mr. Anben-
der stated shortly after the plat is given final approval.
Mr. Warner informed Commission that the improvement plans have been submitted
to the City Engineer and the final canvas back plats are ready for signature.
Mr. Warner stated that the bench narks on the two surveys submitted (One sub-
mitted by `r. Jack Spanich and one submitted by petitioner) can be correlated.
T e a made byMr Knowles o s misted byMr. Spanich) wasmore of
g a y R Ri s PE8E ata AaEsRafGdfvga IRgetTa etaffE.the
Basically there is no difference between the two surveys.
Mr. Robinson asked if in Mr. Warner's opinion there will be sufficient amount
of topsoil to remove.
Mr. Miller asked how long property will be left for soil to blow. Mr. Warner
stated that if the pressure of his client means anything it will not be too
long. Anticipate that the necessary approval will be given within a week or
ten days. Contracts have already been negotiated for sewers and paving. The
installation of utilities will be started in less than 30 days - sewer and
water mains.
Mr. Greene asked about construction of homes. Mr. Anbender stated he couldn't
say.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom and seconded by Mr. Miller, it was
#7-199-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
June 18, 1957 the City Planning Commission does hereby. grant
Application TA25 by Dan Holloway, Holloway Construction
Company requesting permission to remove topsoil from a
portion of Parcel 14R located on the Northeast corner of
Merriman and Five Mile Roads in the Southwest 1/4 of Section
14, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, that a performance bond be fixed on the
above application at $21,000 and it is recommended to the
Bureau of Inspection that a permit to this effect be
issued, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner, City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service and recommendation having
been obtained from the Department of Public works under date
of June 2, 1957 and from the Police Department under date of
June 17, 1957.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Robinson and Miller
NAYS: Steinhoff
The Chairman called a recess at approximately 9:15 p.m.
The Chairman called the Public Hearing to order at approximately 9:32 p.m.
with all present as named at the beginning and course of meeting including
Mr. Charles Walker who arrived during recess.
The -secretary read letter dated June 5, 1957 from George D. Seyburn, East
Detroit Housing, Inc. requesting approval of the proposed Bell Valley Subdivision
located on the Northwest corner of Ashurst Road and Five Mile Road in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 16. Thd secretary also read letters dated June 6
1957 from Herald Hamill; dated July 1, 1957 from Donald Wilson, Chief Inspector;
dated June 19, 1957 from dames N. Jordan, Chief of Police; dated May 19, 1957
addressed to Chief James Jordan from George Gilbert, aanddated June
Patrolman; ated June26,
1957 from J. B. Folsom, Parks and Recreation
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1957 from Calvin Robert, Fire Chief. Messrs. John C. Sillman Secretary an d
Arthur Reynold, General Superintendent of Construction were present.
Mr. Steinhoff, Member of the Plat Committee stated plat does comply with R-1
Zoning. Had same feeling about Fairlane - it being the only ingress to
northern section of subdivision.
Mr. Reynold stated that northern section ties into the Rouge Building Company's
proposed subdivisions.
The secretary read recommendation dated June 25, 1957 from Albe Munson, Planning
Consultant.
Mr. Greene asked how this proposed subdivision will fit into Rouge Building
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Company's subdivisions. Mr. Robinson stated that according to the Master Plan
submitted by Rouge Building Company, this proposed subdivision does not tie
into their subdivisions - Bell Valley Subdivision shows four roads entering
into Rouge Building Company's subdivisions whereas their Master Plan shows
only three roads going South into the Bell Valley Subdivision.
Mr. Sellman stated that he believed they could work something out.
Mr. Richard Funk, 15942 Norwich, Coventry Gardens Improvement Association
objected to subdivision in the same manner as the association did in letter
dated June 28, 1957 submitted with the Burton Hollow Estates Subdivision, No.
2.
Mr. A. J.Bruckert, Bell Creek Farms Association stated he also objects to
proposed subdivision and that he wished the record show and make a part of
letter dated May 8, 1957 and June 3, 1957 with approximately 200 signatures
of resident in area.
Mr. Benton Yates, Supt. of Livonia Public Schools asked what would happen to
storm drain south of school site. Mr. Sellman stated that they have approval
of the City Engineer and Wayne County to devert it into the Bell Creek and
plan as shown on proposed plat.
Mr. Robert Seelye, 33639 North Hampshire asked about proposed park site.
Mr. Miller stated that there is a proposed park site and school site shown on
the Master Plan.
Mr. Greene asked whether petitioner has discussed this with the Parks and Rec-
reation Department. Mr. Sellman stated he had not to his knowledge and that
this is the first time it has been mentioned.
Mr. Robinson stated this will have to be discussed further and that a site
is shown on the Master Plan in this area.
Mr. Sellman asked when Master Plan was adopted. Mr. Miller informed those
present that the Master Plan was adopted December 15, 1953. 4r. Sellman stated
that they have been the owner of record for four years.
Mr. Arthur Fisher, Federation of Livonia Civic Association concurred with Bell
Creek and Coventry Gardens in that they would like to see area rezoned to R-U
or R-L before plat is approved.
Mr. Robinson asked petitioner whether he would expressly waive the 60 day
statuatory period contained in MSA 5.3005 for an unlimited period. Mr. Sellman
stated that he is not in a position to waive 60 day statuatory period without
legal counsel.
Mr. Robinson stated that in that case the Commission should protect itself and
It would have to deny the proposed plat without prejudice.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Miller and unanimously
carried, it was
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#7-200-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby deny without prejudice
approval to the proposed Bell Valley Subdivision located on the
Northwest corner of Ashurst and Five Mile Roads in the Southwest
1/4 of Section 16, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
abutting property owners, proprietor, City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service and copies of the plat together with
notice having been sent to the Building Department, Superintendent
of Schools, School Board President, Fire Department, Police Depart-
- ment, Parks and Recreation Department and Members of the Plat
Committee.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by A'lr. Walker and unanimously
carried, it was
#7-201-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning commission does hereby depart
from the regular order of business in order to hear item
No. 11 as shown on the agenda.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-64 by
Sam Zehra, Chrysler-Plymouth, Inc. requesting permission to build a car wash
on a portion of Parcel 28DDla located at 33800 Plymouth Road and situated on the
North side of Plymouth Road approximately 1,000 feet West of Farmington Road
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 28. The secretary read letters dated
June 27, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief, Livonia Fire Department; telegram
dated July 2, 1957 from Frederick W. Fox, Attorney for A. E. Boyd and
petitions signed by the residents in area approving proposed use. Messrs. Sam
Zehra and Michael Berry, Attorney, 2015 Cadillac Tower, Detroit were present/
Mr. Walker stated question has arisen in his mind as to parking on street an d
ingress to car wash. Understand petitioner has 625' in back of building.
Mr. Okerstrom asked about waste water. Mr. Zehra stated that they are con-
structing sewer in the rear of parcel and that Wayne County has given them
permission to connect into Plymouth Road line.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to petition
as presented.
Mr. Walker stated that if Commission approves petition, it will be subject to
petitioner securing signature of Mr. Boyd as required by Ordinance.
Mr. Kropf suggested an affidavit be secured rather than a signature only.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker and seconded by Mr. Steinhoff, it was
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#7-202-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-64
by Sam Zehra, Chrysler-Plymouth, Inc. requesting permission
to build a car wash on a portion of Parcel 28DDla located at
33800 Plymouth Road and situated on the North side of Plymouth
Road approximately 1,000 feet West of Farmington Road in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 28 subject to an affidavit being
received prior to final approval from Mr. A. E. Boyd, Tulsa,
Oklahoma that he has no objection to car wash, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service and written consent
having been secured of the owners of seventy percent of the
frontage of all property within three hundred feet of such
premises.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following;
AYES: Greene, Steinhoff, Walker, Robinson and Miller
NAYS: Okerstrom
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-58 by
Louis Lombardi, W. Horstman & Company requesting permission to erect a double
face neon sign 45 square feet in area which is to be erected below the large
Mohawk Sign located on Parcels 28EE2a and 28EE2b and situated on the Northwest
corner of Plymouth and Farmington Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 28.
Messrs. Allan Shaw "Sandy"_and Louis Lombardi were present.
Mr. Greene asked size of existing sign. Mr. Lombardi stated sign appears to
be approximately 13 x 20.
No one was present wishing to be heard in favor of or opposed to petition as
presented.
Mr. Miller asked whether this is a neon sign. Mr. Shaw stated it is but not
flashing.
Mr. Steinhoff asked color of sign. Mr. Shaw stated proposed sign is blue.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Steinhoff and seconded by Mr. Miller, it was
#7-203-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-58
by Louis Lombardi, W. Horstman & Company requesting permission
to erect a double face neon sign 45 square feet in area which
is to be erected below the large Mohawk Sign located on Parcels
28EE2a and 28EE2b and situated on the Northwest corner of
Plymouth and Farmington Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 28
and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service.
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A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Steinhoff, Walker and Miller
NAYS: Okerstrom and Robinson
The secretary read letter dated June 4, 1957 from Edgar M. Fenton, Lincoln-
shire Construction Company requesting permission to erect temporary sign
approximately 10' x 15' to advertise the 165 homes for sale in the Young &
Yogoda Subdivision, sign to be located on Parcels 22Bla2alal to a2alcl and
in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 22. Mr. Fenton was present.
Mr. Fenton submitted for Co iohave flood
ssin' ntiongda drawing of the proposed sign.
Stated he would like permission
Mr. Steinhoff asked whether sign would be used only for the purpose of selling
homes and whether after sales it will be removed. Mr. Fenton assured Commission
it is to be temporary sign.
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Mr. Okerstrom asked whether it WOStated d be thatlble to set for safety reasonsback
they wouldset
a busy intersection. Mr. Fenton
sign back.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, seconded by Mr. Miller and
unanimously carried, it was
#7-204-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-59
by Edgar M. Fenton, Lincolnshire Construction Company request-
ing permission to erect sign approximately 10' x 15' to
advertise the 165 homes for sale in the Young & Yogoda Sub-
division, sign to be located on Parcels 22Bla2alal to a2alcl
and 22Bla2alfl and situated on the Southwest corner of Five
Mile and Hubbard Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 22 pro-
vided a set back is considered; there will be no flashing
lights and this is to be a temporary sign until the completion
of the sales of the homes, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Greene asked what Mr. Fenton had in mind on the proposed set back. Mr. Fen-
ton stated he did not know that hdethatltherehave
are many childrenover.
in the area.
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requested Mr. Fenton keep in
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-60 by
Joe Niestroy and Julius Spielberg requesting permission to erect two flat box
type wall signs 4' x 26' on face of building and one on side wall, neon
illuminated to read "Pay Less Prescriptions - Drugs" on portion of Parcel 36B1
at 11516 Middlebelt Road and situated on the Southeast corner of Plymouth and
Middlebelt Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 36. Messrs. Spielberg and
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Donald Deremo, Attorney were present.
Mr. Kropf drew to Commission's attention that the wording given in the notice
of public hearing is not the same as shown on the plot plan.
Mr. Walker asked if Commission is legally bound by the size of the sign or the
wording of the sign. Mr. Robinson thought Commission should consider both.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Okerstrom and unanimously
carried, it was
#7-205-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held,
the City Planning commission does hereby grant Petition M-60
by Joe Niestroy and Julius Spielberg requesting permission to
erect two flat box type wall signs 4' x 26' on face of building
and one on side wall, neon illuminated to read "Prescriptions -
Pay Less Drugs" on portion of Parcel 36B1 at 11516 Middlebelt
Road and situated on the Southeast corner of Plymouth and
Middlebelt Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 36, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioners and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-61 by
Joe Niestroy and Richard Reed requesting permission to erect 4' x 16' flat
sign on side and front of building on a portion of Parcel 36A15 at 28885
Plymouth Road and situated on the South side of Plymouth Road approximately
110' East of Garden Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 36. Mr. Niestroy
was present.
Wilfred Okerstrom was temporarily excused from meeting at approximately 10:45
p.m.
Mr. Miller asked depth of proposed sign. Mr. Niestroy stated it would be 8".
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Steinhoff, seconded by Mr. Greene and
unanimously carried, it was
#7-206-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-61
by Joe Niestroy and Richard Reed requesting permission to
erect 4' x 16' flat sign on side and front of building on a
portion of Parcel 36A15 at 28885 Plymouth Road and situated
on the South side of Plymouth Road approximately 110' East of
Garden Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 36, and
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li FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioners and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-63 by
Harry E. Wolfe requesting permission to erect a two or three bay super gas
station on a portion of Parcel IOCC located on the Southeast corner of Seven
Mile and Farmington Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 10. Mr. Harry E.
Wolfe was present.
The secretary read letter dated June 27, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief
Livonia Fire Department and petition dated June 1$, 1957 signed by three
residents in favor of proposed gas station.
Mr. Wilfred Okerstrom returned to meeting at approximately 10:50 p.m.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Walker and unanimously
carried, it was
#7-207-57 RESOLVED that, from the stand point of safety on the corner
E and on the basis that it will be an assit to the corner and
neighborhood and pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held, the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition
M-63 by Harry E. Wolfe requesting permission to erect a two
or three bay super gas station on a portion of Parcel 101CC
located on the Southeast corner of Seven Mile and Farmington
Roads in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 10 and that a copy of
this resolution be forwarded to the Traffic Commission, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Application TA27
by John B. Ambrose, Attorney for Dachille Trucking Company requesting renewal
of Application TA18 (Permit No. 33) for removal of sand located on a portion
of Parcels 24CC and 24DD and situated on the North side of Schoolcraft Road
approximately 2,300 feet East of Middlebelt Road in the South 1/2 of Section
24. The secretary read letters dated July 2, 1957 from G. D. Ball, Engineer III
and W. R. McCary, City Engineer and dated July 1, 1957 from James N. Jordan,
Chief of Police. Mr. John B. Ambrose, Attorney was present.
1[40 Mr. Greene asked whether petitioner is presently removing sand. Mr. Ambrose
stated they are not at the moment and that the permit has expired.
Mr. Walker, Chairman of the Topsoil Committee stated that he visited site.
When previously presented to Commission there was a hole large enough to set
the entire City Hall in and that this hole has now been filled. Petitioner
is doing an excellent job in area.
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Mr. Greene asked if petitioner started work immediately, how long before job
would be completed. Mr. Ambrose stated that most of the sand will be used in
the new school and that operation will be completed in six months - maybe less.
Mr. Bernays Rosenthal, 14301 Lyons stated there is a hole behind his home
filled at the present time with water which gets two to three feet high.
Mr. Charles Lemmer, Dachille Trucking Company stated hole is not on the same
piece of property and is part of the Rouge Building Company Subdivision (Buck-
ingham Village Subdivision).
Lieutensnt Bob Perry was excused from meeting at approximately 11:05 p.m.
Mr. Robinson stated he felt holes should be filled immediately.
Mr. Walker stated he felt that the high spots are hit and miss and that the
low spots are also hit and miss.
Mr. Robert Allison, 14313 Lyons stated that the low area behind his home has
been there for four months.
Mr. Greene stated Commission should also keepin mind that this area is
across from the race track and that the day races start August 9. With the
traffic, sand blowing etc. it is going to be a problem.
Mr. Robinson stated petitioner is petitioning for just the hill and not the
area around it.
Mr. Miller asked how long water has stood. Mr. Allison stated he has been
there four months and it was there when they moved in.
Mr. Ambrose informed Commission that his permit expired in April.
Mr. Miller suggested item be tabled in order that area may be looked at again.
Mr. Lemmer stated that they have received compliments from Mr. Wilson (Chief
Inspector) on their operation.
Mr. Walker asked how much acreage applied for. Mr. Lemmer did not know and
stated it would be hard to say.
The Chair announced that this item would be taken under advisement and
petitioner would be notified of next meeting.
There was a brief discussion regarding outsiders attending the Study Meetings.
Mr. Okerstrom and Mr. Miller offered the following resolution which was with-
drawn after future consideration:
RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission study meetings be
closed to all disinterested parties unless attendance
requested by the Commission
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Councilman Peter A. Ventura advised Commission that the City Council has never
excluded anyone from sitting in on their Study Meetings and that all City
business is public business and that when Commission makes motion to exclude
people it is treading on pretty thin ground.
Mr. Kropf stated that Commission has the power to go into executive session.
Stated Commission is not representing real estate interest but the people.
There are certain matters that are of a secret nature that should not be
available for people who will speculate on them.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted this Public Hearing
was duly adjourned at approximately 11:30 p.m., July 2, 1957
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Robert L. Miller, Secretary
ATTESTED:
William R. Robinson, Chairman