HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1957-09-17 MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE 84TH REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On September 17, 1957 the above meeting was held by the City Planning
dommission of the City of Livonia at the City Hall, 33001 Five Mile Road,
Livonia, Michigan. Vice-Chairman H. Paul Marsha called the Public Hearing to
order at approximately 8:10 p.m.
Members present: Wilfred Okerstrom **H. Paul Harsha Charles Walker
Robert L. Greene Fred A. Lotz Robert L. Miller
Members absent: *Leonard Kane
William R. Robinson
Robert Angevine
Lieutenant Bob Perry, Livonia Fire Department was present together with approxi-
mately 50 interested residents.
The secretary announced that the first item on the agenda was Petition M-79 by
William A. Wood, Jr., Attorney for Hope Lutheran Church requesting permission
to erect church building together with sufficient off-street sparking on a
portionat Parcel 11Z1cZ2cZ3 located on the North side of Six `ile Road approxi-
mately 1,525 feet East of Merriman Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 11.
The secretary read letters dated August 20, 1957 from William A. Wood, Jr. and
dated September 12, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief Livonia Fire Department.
Mr. William A. Wood was present.
Mr. Marsha asked size of parcel in question. Mr. Wood stated parcel totals
nine acres with frontage of 4981 on Six Mile Road (less 1001 that is to be
retained by owner) and a depth of 9271. Informed Commission that church has no
intent to provide school facilities now or in the future. Plan is to construct
church on front portion of property and landscape it on Six Mile Road. Off-
street parking will be to the rear immediately behind church.
Mr. Greene asked if church is related to existing church located at Six Mile and
Middlebelt Roads. Mr. Wood stated it is not and that the church is being
established as a mission of the Hope Lutheran Church in Detroit.
Mr. Walker asked if property is the farm with large white home on it. Mr. Wood
stated it is not and that it is the piece next to the white house to the East.
Property also has a house on t but it is over on the side. The portion of
parcel with the house is being excluded from church.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Mr. Greene asked how close parcel is to Danny's Suburban Chop House and
Cocktail Lounge. It was established that parcel is almost across the street -
about 6001.
Mr. Wood stated that the entrance to the proposed church has not been
IE: established yet. Mr. Marsha suggested that entrance be so located that it will
be at least 5001 from Chop House.
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Mr. Lotz informed Commission that ruling of church being 5001 from Cocktail
Lounge only pertains to lounge being located near an existing church; whereas
this is a church being located near an existing lounge.
Mr. Harsha stated that once the church is there the lounge might be considered
non-conforming. } .
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Greene and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-263-57 RESOLVED that, Petition M-79 by William A. Wood, Jr., Attorney
for Hope Lutheran Church requesting permission to erect church
building together with sufficient off-street parking on a
portion of Parcel 11Z1cZ2cZ3 located on the North side of Six
Mile Road approximately 1,525 feet East of Merriman Road in
the Southwest 1/4 of Section 11 be referred to Commission as
a whole and that a committee of one be appointed to make an
accurate check and report back to Commission as to the
distance from proposed church location and Danny's Suburban
Chop House and Cocktail Lounge.
The Vice-Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted and appointed
Mr. Charles Walker to act as committee of one to make survey. Informed
petitioner that one week from tonight (September 24, 1957) item would be
discussed and that at the next meeting action can be taken.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-75 by
Arnold Schmidt requesting permission to install 141 x 201 sign, 2-faces on 2-8"
beams set in 41x41x61 footing with 4 x 11 plate welded to each beam reading
"Hallmark Furniture" on a portion of Parcels 36A14c and 36A14b located at
28795 Plymouth Road and situated on the South side of Plymouth Road approximately
375t East of Garden Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 36. Mr. Arnold
Schmidt, and Mr. L. H. Brown, Browie/s Neon Sign Company, 7300 Pontiac Trail,
South Lyons were present.
Mr. Schmidt stated proposed sign will be erected on the existing pilon and that
except for insignia it will not be flashing. No portion of the sign will over-
hang property line and it will be 301 from ground to top of sign - overall height
will be 401.
Mr. Harsha stated that according to Ordinance no structure can be built 40' high.
Mr. Brown asked if pilon were lowered and sign brought down to 351, sign would
be permissible. Commission was not in a position to answer question.
Mr. Brown stated he nought it is 32' to top of the pilon.
Mr. Miller stated that until Commission has definite height of building and
sign, he could not vote on item.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to petition
as presented.
Mr. Greene asked if petitioner would consider something under 351. Mr. Brown
stated they would see that it is not over 351.
Mr. Marsha drew to Commission's attention the proposed colors of sign (rose,
green and copper gold) as being a hazard to traffic. Stated sign will be a
little way from the corner.
Mr. Walker asked whether Commission shouldn't receive communications from
Police Department and Traffic Commission regarding signs. Thought item should
be referred to them regarding proposed color and expression obtained.
Mr. Walker stated he would go along with proposed sign if it was reduced to 35t.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Lotz and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-264-57 RESOLVED that, Petition M-75 by Arnold Schmidt requesting
permission to install 14' x 201 sign, 2-faces on 2-8" beams .
set in 41x4'x61 footing with 1/4 x 11 plate welded to
each beam reading "Hallmark Furniture" on a portion of
Parcels 36A14c and 36A14b located at 28795 Plymouth Road
and situated on the South side of Plymouth Road approxi-
mately 375' East of Garden Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 36 be tabled until October 15, 1957 in order to
afford petitioner opportunity to correct size which must
comply to all City regulations and to secure approval from
the Police Department and Fire Department as to color.
The Vice-Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-78 by
Livonia Muffler Sales, Inc. requesting permission to build and erect an electric
sign on roof of existing building on a portion of Outlot B4a, Greenette Sub-
division located at 29155 Plymouth Road and situated on the South side of
Plymouth Road approximately 650 feet East of Middlebelt Road in the Northwest
1/4 of Section 36. Messrs. Norman Havlik and Charles Peltier, Peltier Neon
Service, 2980 W. Davidson, Detroit were present.
Mr. Walker asked if light from sign will shine in the windows of the existing
homes located to the rear of property. Mr. Havlik stated he did not think it
would inasmuch as there is no flood lights. Neon is not that bright.
Mr. Harsha informed Commission that building is set back 101; however there will
be the effect of an electric sign over-hanging side walk. Up to this time this
is something Commission has not allowed and suggested item be taken under
advisement.
Mr. Havlik asked if it would meet Commission's approval if sign is moved back
entirely on property.
Mr. Miller pointed out that signs thathave been approved in this area to the
largest extent are on the face of the building which he thought would eliminate
petitioner's.problem of light shinning in anyone's window.
Mr. Havlik stated he constructed building 101 back so that he could put sign
in position as planned.
1[46 Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz and seconded by Mr. Miller, it was
#9-265-57 RESOLVED that, Petition M-78 by Livonia Muffler Sales, Inc.
requesting permission to build and erect an electric sign
on roof of existing building on a portion of Outlot B4a, C)
Greenette Subdivision located at 29155 Plymouth Road and
situated on the South side of Plymouth Road approximately
650 feet East of Middlebelt Road in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 36 be taken under advisement and that further action
be deferred until October 15, 1957.
Mr. William A. Wood, Jr. , Attorney, 10035 Plymouth Road, Detroit stated that
corporation has liability insurance. Wished Commission to take into consider-
ation the liability insurance and fact that a certificate of insurance could be
given to City so that it will protect general public for any liability that
might occur.
Mr. Harsha stated that once a person is hurt all the insurance in the world
isn't going to do person any good.
A roll call vote on Resolution No. 9-265-57 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Walker, Lotz, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: None
The secretary announced that the next item o }je agenda was Petition M-80 by
Walter T. Hall requesting permission to erec sign 6' x 10' - 60 square
feet on steel pole reading "Used Cars and Trucks" on a portion of Parcel 27F3b1
located at 32222 Plymouth Road and situated on the North side of Plymouth Road
approximately 2,325 feet West of Merriman Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section
27. Mr. Walter T. Hall was present.
Mr. Hall informed Commission that this is the Bill Brown Agency and that sign
will be erected on the other side of the show room to the West. The neon will
be red similar to the existing sign and petitioner would like words to flash
alternately. The sign will be on private property. Proposed sign is to be 18'
from top of sign to the ground.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom and seconded by 14r. Miller, it was
#9-266-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-80
be Walter T. Hall requesting permission to erect neon sLgn
6' x 10' - 60 square feet on steel pole reading "Used Cars
and Trucks" on a portion of Parcel 27F3b1 located at 32222
Plymouth Road and situated on the North side of Plymouth Road
approximately 2,325 feet West of Merriman Road in the South-
east 1/4 of Section 27, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Depart-
ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: Walker and Lotz
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The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the proposed
Imonen Subdivision located on the Northwest corner of Norfolk Avenue and Hubbard
Road in t he Northwest 1/4 of Section 3. The secretary read letters dated
I[: August 29, 1957 from Ed Imonen; dated September 12, 1957 from Robert A. VanDyke
Patrolman, Traffic Bureau; dated September 12, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief
Livonia Fire Department; dated September 13, 1957 from Donald Wilson, Chief
Inspector and dated September 16, 1957 from Albe Munson, Planning Consultant.
Mr. Ed Imonen was present.
Mr. Okerstrom asked about easement located on West side of subdivision and
whether it will fit in with any established easements. Mr. Imonen stated he
obtained easements as shown on plat from The Detroit Edison Company and the
Michigan Bell Telephone Company. As shown, easements meet all their requirements
The North side of the existing house is 4* from property line which would make
the fence along side of house. As shown on pk t, 1151 is being set aside for
existing house.
The secretary read sewage disposal investigation report dated August 16, 1957
from H. E. Houghton, Sanitarian II, Wayne County Health Departmeht.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to item
as presented.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller and seconded by '4r. £reene, it was
#9-267-57 RESOLVED that, proposed ImonenSubdivision located on the North-
west corner of Norfolk Avenue and Hubbard Road in the Northwest
1/4 of Section 3 be taken under advisement until October 1, 1957
so that absent members may have an opportunity to voice their
opinion.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Walker, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: Lotz
The Vice-chairman called a recess at approximately 9:16 p.m.
The Vice-Chairman called the Public Hearing to order at approximately 9:30 p.m.
with all present as named at the beginning and course of meeting in addition to
*Kr. Leonard Kane who arrived during recess.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Application TA31 by
Nevin B. and Mildred A. Hummon requesting permission to remove topsoil or sand
located on Parcel 15A1 situated on the Southeast corner of Six Mile and Hubbard
Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 15. The secretary read letters dated
September 3, 1957 from Edwin M. Orr, Acting City Engineer and Dave Meinzinger,
Director of Public Works; dated September 9, 1957 from Nevin B. Hummon; dated
September 16, 1957 from James N. Jordan, Chief Livonia Police Department and
dated September 15, 1957 from Robert W. Hyde, Secretary, Greenbrier Woods
Civic Association. Messrs. Nevin B. Hummon and Harry Wright, 15487 San Juan,
Detroit, representing Mrs. Esther Freud were present.
Mr. Rodney Kropf arrived at approximately 9:33 p.m.
Mr. Miller asked the anticipated date for platting area. Mr. Wright stated
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engineers are working on tentative plat. Thought Mr. Edwin Orr, Acting City
Engineer was going to answer their letter requesting information on whether or C.)
not it is feasible to extend sewer through to property. Answer to this question
determines how property is to be platted.
Mr. Walker stated survey submitted does not show true picture on the amount of
soil to be removed. The topsoil Committee feels since Commission has established
position of holding removal of soil until such time as there is a petition before
Commission for plat approval in order that Commission may view grade level of
streets, feel committee would like to maintain that position.
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Mr. Irving Hutchins, 17275 Merriman Road, representing people that own property
that adjoins property in question submitted petition dated September 15, 1957
signed by approximately 50 residents objecting to application.
Mr. Harsha asked whether signatures represent property owners closely
surrounding area. Mr. Hutchins stated they are residents in the immediately
surrounding area.
Mr. Hummon stated for the benefit of those present that if toposil is not
removed then it will be wasted and turned under during construction.
Upon a mbtion duly made by Mr. Lotz and seconded by Mr. Greene, it was
#9-268-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby deny Application TA31
by Nevin B. and Mildred A. Hummon requesting permission to
remove topsoil or sand located on Parcel 15A1 situated on the
Southeast corner of Six Mile and Hubbard Roads in the Northeast
1/4 of Section 15 until such time that area is platted for sub-
division and tentative approval given and until the Department
of Public Works has worked out storm and sanitary grades
related to available sanitary and storm sewer outlets, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioners, City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service and recommendation having
been obtained from the Department of Public "borks under date
of September 3, 1957 and from the Police Department under date
of September 16, 1957.
Mr. Wright stated no one is interested in property at the present time due to
the fact it is overgrown with underbrush. It is very expensive for Mrs. Freud
a widow, to have drawings made until such time as either Mr. Orr or
Mr. Meinzinger can give client answer regarding sewer.
A roll call vote on Resolution No. 9-268-57 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Walker, Lotz, Kane, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: None
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Application TA30
by Stanley E. Hayes requesting permission to remove gravel and fill dirt
located on Parcels 06K2 and 06F2 situated on the Southeast corner of Phillips
and Haggerty Roads and on the North side of Phillips Road approximately 400'
East of Haggerty Road in the West 1/2 of Section 6. The secretary read letters
dated August 28, 1957 from Edwin M. Orr, Acting City Engineer and Dave Mein-
zinger, Director of Public Works and dated September 16, 1957 from.James N.
Jordan, Chief Livonia Police Department. Messrs. Stanby E. Hayes and
Elmer A. Heichman, 39900 Stoneleigh, Northville were present.
Mr. Walker, Chairman of the Topsoil Committee stated that on visiting the site
there are several conditions the committee woulllike to refer to the
Engineering Department (1) There are lakes of water approximately 40' to 45'
deep which committee feels is dangerous and that if condition continues that
area be fenced; (2) There is a large subdivision Eastward of operation and
committee wonders whether the Engineering Department shouldn't investigate
area and inform Commission what affect gravel will have on subdivision if this
subdivision is dependent on well water and (3) Like to know what future con-
ditibn petitioner is going to leave area in - should be part of the
Commission's approval.
Mr. Lotz, member of the topsoil committee concurred.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Mr. Heichman stated he did not know what condition they intended to leave area
in. Commission is aware that the City wants to buy parcels.
Mr. Walker stated present operation has been conducted for seven years and
perhaps there is another two years of removal before completion.
Mr. Heichman stated area could be a beautiful lake. Agreed that it might be a
good idea to have Engineering Departmet look over area and work something out.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz and seconded by Mr. Kane, it was
#9-269-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
the City Planning Commission does hereby deny without prejudice
Application TA30 by Stanley E. Hayes requesting permission to
remove gravel and fill dirt located on Parcels 06K2 and 06F2
located on the Southeast corner of Phillips and Haggerty Roads
and on the North aide of Phillips Road approximately 4001 East
of Haggerty Road in the West 1/2 of Section 6 until Commission
has further communication from the Engineering Department as
to what can be done with property after removal and any
suggestions they might have, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner, City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service and recommendations having
been obtained from the Department of Public Works under date
of August 28, 1957 and from the Police Department under date
of September 16, 1957.
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Mr. Walker stated to Mr. Hayes that action of Commission would not tie up his
present operation inasmuch as petition to Commission was to expand operation.
X roll call vote on Resolution No. 9-269-57 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Walker, Kane, Lotz, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: None
Mr. Harsha stated that in denying petition Commission has cleared item out
entirely rather than tabling item and referring it to Engineering Department
for further information.
Mr. Kane stated it is up to the petitioner to go to the Engineering Department
and secure information.
Mr. Harsha stated that Mr. Kane is right if petitioner wants action; however, _
Commission now has no authority to approach Engineering Department.
Mr. Lotz stated that that is the way he intended it when he made resolution.
Mr. Greene reminded Commission that in letter dated August 28, 1957 the
Engineering Department suggested denial action.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition No. Z-237
as initiated by the City Council on its own motion on the question whether or
not to amend Section 8.04 of Article 8.00 and Section 9.04 of Article 9.00
by adding Sections 8.12 and 9.10 thereto.
Mr. Arthur Fisher, 30408 Hoy, representing the Federation of Civic Associations
attempted to explain to those present intent of proposed amendment.
Mr. Arthur Bruckert, 16366 Bell Creek Lane, representing Bell Creek Farms
Association asked whether the intent of the petition also takes care of the RU
District. Recommended that question be reviewed with Legal Counsel.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker and seconded by Mr. Lotz, it was
#9-270-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on Petition No. Z-237 as initiated by the City Council on its
own motion on the question whether or not to amend Sections
8.04 of Article 8.00 and to amend Section 9.04 of Article
9.00 of the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No. 60 by adding
thereto Sections 8.12 and 9.10, the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition No.
Z-237 be granted, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published
in the official newspaper, The Livonian under date of
August 29, 1957 and notice of which hearing was sent to The
Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company,
Michigan Bell Telephone Company, The Consumer Power Company
and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
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Mr. Walker stated he made motion because Commission has referred the question
of RU District Classification to City Attorney and he is to look it over and
report back to Commission.
I[: A roll call vote on Resolution No. 9-270-57 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Kane, Walker, Lotz, Harsha and Miller
NAYS: None
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition No. V-23
by Rev. John G. Davies, Pastor, St. Paul's Presbyterian Church requesting
that certain easements for public utilt ies situated on the South side of Lots
26, 99 and behind Lots 26 - 34, inclusive, B. E. Taylor's Como Lake Subdivision
located on the South aide of Five Mile Road between Cavell Avenue and Arcola
Avenue in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 24 be vacated with the provision that
utility companies be given right-of-way to extend poles and lines far enough
down the South side of Lot 26 to provide utilities for church buildings. The
secretary read letter dated September 16, 1957 from Jack E. Menig, Special
Agent, Real Estate and Rights of Way Department, The Detroit Edison Company.
Rev. John G. Davies and Mr. Walter Hartley, 18303 Norborn, Detroit were present.
Rev. Davies stated he contacted The Detroit Edison Company last April and was
given to understand that all problems had been completely worked out. Thoqtit
original route as planned had one person who would not give right-of-way. Have
not heard from company since July.
Mr. Harsha stated in his opinion The Detroit Edison Company has had several
months to consider item.
The secretary read letter dated September 17, 1957 from LaVern R. Schrader,
Asst. City Engineer and Dave Meinzinger, Director of Public Works.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
Mr. Miller stated he takes offense to letter from The Detroit Edison Company -
no date of adjournment is given. Thought they could bring out reasons for not
coming to compromise.
Rev. Davies informed Commission that he also has a problem as he is working
towards a dead line for bids etc.
Mr. Harsha asked Mr. Kropf whether Commission had authority to grant petition
in view of letter from The Detroit Edison Company. Asked whether Commission
could assume five months sufficient time for them to act.
Rev. Davies stated that after the public hearing August 20, 1957 when approval
was given to continue church and off-street parking arrangement he called a
Mr. Martin of The Detroit Edison Company and informed him of action and date
of hearing on petition to vacate easement. Was informed by Mr. Martin that
everything was approved and that he had to secure approval from one property
owner who did not live in block.
Mr. Kropf suggested item be tabled for one week in order to give The Detroit
Edison Company more opportunity to act.
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Mr. Greene suggested letter be sent to The Detroit Edison Company informing G`J
them of situation and injury being done to petitiOner and request them to take C`)
action. Also inform them that this Commission will take action next week -
,September 24, 1957.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Okerstrom and
unanimously carried, it was
#9-271-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby reserve
action until September 24, 1957 on Petition No. V-23 by
Rev. John G. Davies, Pastor, St. Paul's Presbyterian Church
requesting that certain easements for public utilities
situated in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 24 be vacated and
that a letter be forwarded to Mr. Jack E. Menig, Special
Agent, Real Estate and Rights of Way Department, The Detroit
Edison Company calling his attention to delay and that it has
caused great injury to the petitioner and request him to take
some action before scheduled meeting September 24, 1957 inas-
much as matter will be presented for action by Commission at
that time.
The Vice-Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz, seconded by rir. Miller and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-272-57 RESOLVED that, Public Hearing be adjourned.
The Vice-Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted and announced that
,he would have to be excused from reminder of meeting and requested that
Mr. Charles Walker assume duties of the Chair.
Chairman pro tem Walker called a recess at approximately 10:31 p.m.
The 84th Regular Meeting was called to order at approximately 10:48 p.m. with
**all present as named at the beginning and course of meeting except Mr. H. Paul
Harsha who was excused.
The secretary read letter dated September 6, 1957 from Burton Warner, Warner &
Warner, Engineer for Green Brother Builders requesting approval of the first
unit of the proposed Schulgren Subdivision located approximately 1,000 feet East
of Newburg Road between Ann Arbor Trail and Joy Road in the South 1/2 of
Section 32. The secretary read letter dated April 25, 1957 from Benton Yates,
Supt., Livonia Public Schools. Mr. Burton Warner was present.
Mr. Warner informed Commissioners that the lots have been numbered differently
from the original plat as approved by Commission April 16, 1957.
Mr. Okerstrom asked whether there are sewer facilities that will be available
for school. Mr. Warner stated that there is a sewer on Dowling Avenue that
school could have access to.
Mr. Benton Yates, Supt., Livonia Public Schools examined proposed first unit
and stated in his opinion a 4' walk way will not be adequate to handle children
when they are in a hurry.
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Mr. Warner stated that it is his clients intent to put 5' walk way in.
Mr. Walker stated that some of the members of the Commission feel that the
entire walk way should be paved.
I[: Mr. Warner stated that if the school wants it felt client would go along but
felt 8' should be the maximum. Mr. Yates thought that more adequate.
Mr. Okerstrom thought pavement should be 10' with a fence on either side to
protect the property owners.
Mr. Greene thought 8' ample with 1' on each side for fence.
Mr. Miller stated he would like to see pavement to the fence but would not
object to 8'.
Mr. Lotz agreed to 8'.
Mr. Kane stated all he could see is weeds on the 1' left.
No one was present wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
first unit as presented.
Mr. Greene asked Mr. Warner whether his client would be willing to go along
with 10' pavement. Mr. Warner stated he thought he would but didn't think
Commission should ask client to erect fence as part of the approval of the
plat.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Lotz and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-273-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby approve
first unit of the proposed Schulgren Subdivision located
approximately 1,000' .East of Newburg Road between Ann Arbor
Trail and Joy Road in the South 1/2 ofSection 32 subject to
a 10' walk way to school property being paved.
. The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was the proposed Bell
Valley Subdivision located on the Northwest corner of Ashurst Road and Five
Mile Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 16. The petitioner nor a
representative was present.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding a letter being forwarded to the
petitioner requesting deeding of Outlots A and B to the City and informing
petitioner that at the Study Meeting Rouge Building Company stated that
they would submit Burton Hollow Estates Subdivision, No. 3 in order to expedite
proposed subdivision. It was decided that Mr. Kropf would write such a letter
and also request a waiver of the 60 day statuatory period contained in MSA
5.3005.
• Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Kane and unanimously
carried, it was
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#9-274-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby reserve ,
decision on the proposed Bell Valley Subdivision located in
the Southwest 1/4 of Section 16 until September 24, 1957
at which time a Special Meeting will be held.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition No. V-21
by Claude F. and Nellie J. Brogden requesting that the 12' easement located
in the rear of Lots 168 and 169, Storm and Fowler's Country Crest Subdivision
located on the Southeast corner of Eight Mile Road and Oporto Avenue in the North-
east 1/4 of Section 2 be vacated and that a 12' easement be created along the
North and East lot line of Lot 168 and also along the North 12' of Lot 169.
The secretary read letters dated September 16, 1957 from Jack E. Menig, Special
Agent, Real Estate and Rights of Way Department, The Detroit Edison Company;
dated August 27, 1957 from LaVern R. Schrader, Asst. City Engineer and Dave
Meinzinger, Director of Public Works and dated August 19, 1957 from R. G.
Eidson, Attorney, Michigan Bell Telephone Company. Mr. Donald C. Deremo, Attorney
was present.
Mr. Deremo stated he had been in touch with The Detroit Edison Company on several
occasions and that this is the first indication that they have not been
satisfied with relocation of easement. Cited several dates and names of
individuals at The Detroit Edison Company he had been in contact with. Also
had been informed that the 12' easement to be created along the North of Lot
169 was not necessary as they could bring poles out in their own right-of-way.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Kane and unanimously
carried, it was
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#9-275-57 RESOLVED that, City Planning Commission does hereby table
until September 24, 1957 Petition No. V-21 by Claude F.
and Nellie J. Brogden requesting that a certain easement
located in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 2 be vacated and
that in the interim a letter be directed to The Detroit
Edison Company requesting explanation of letter dated
September 16, 1957 by Jack E. Menig, and that this
Commission is going to take action September 24, 1957.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-76
by W. E. Steinmiller, W. 0. Steinmiller & Son Used Cars requesting permission
to use Parcel 27G35a for used car purposes located on the North side of
Plymouth Road approximately 575 feet West of Merriman Road in the Southeast
1/4 of Section 27. Messrs. W. E. Steinmiller and F. W. Miller, Attorney
2153 Penobscot Building, Detroit were present.
Mr. Miller stated that there are three homes on the North side of Plymouth Road
just West of Merriman Road. The one in question is 90' East of the bowling
alley-the house is located on the West end of the property.
Mr. Miller asked whether there would be a home between property in question
and bowling alley. Mr. F. W. Miller stated there would not and that there
are two homes immediately to the East. The property is 1161 wide and he
thought the home would become a part of the proposed business. ,
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No one was present- wishing to be heard either in favor of or opposed to
petition as presented.
11[: Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz and seconded by Ir. Miller, it was
#9-276-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Heating having been held
September 3, 1957 on Petition M-76 by W. E. Steinmiller,
W. 0. Steinmiller & Son Used Cars for permission to operate
a Used Car Business at 31550 Plymouth Road, the Planning
Commission does hereby deny said petition on the grounds
that the operation of such a business would be injurious to
the residential property values of the residential parcels
adjoining the proposed parcel in question, would likely
interfere with the peaceful enjoyment of the surrounding
residential owners because of the excessive noise, lights
and business activity and would further create traffic
problems along Plymouth Road which would be detrimental to
the safety of the citizens of this city, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City
Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
Mr. Miller stated that just East of parcel in question parcel would be sold for
some commercial use and that proposed use would not be out of line.
Mr. Lotz stated he discussed this with home owners and they have no intent to
sell for commercial use.
Mr. Miller stated that within the last two years they have been approached and
almost made deal except that there wasn't agreement on the price. Member of
the family 96' West of property in question was one that told him this.
Mr. Robert Miller stated that the fact still remains that this is a residential
use and it is their home.
A roll call vote on Resolution No. 9-276-57 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Okerstrom, Lotz, Walker and Miller
NAYS: Kane
The secretary announced that the next item on the agenda was Petition M-65 by
Bernard Ratkos requesting permission to construct a one stall "modgular" gaso-
line service station on Lots 14-18, Golden Ridge Subdivision located on the
Northeast corner of Hix and Joy Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 31. The
petitioner nor a representative was present.
The secretary read letter dated August 14, 1957 from Calvin Roberts, Chief
Livonia Fire Department.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller, seconded by Mr. Lotz and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-277-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
August 20, 1957 the City Planning Commission does hereby deny
Petition M-65 bBernard Ratkos requesting permission to C
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construct a one stall nmodgularn gasoline service station
on Lots 14-18, Golden Ridge Subdivision located on the
Northeast corner of Hix and Joy Roads in the Southeast 1/4
of Section 31 in view of the fact petitioner nor a
representative has appeared before Commission on two
occasions, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to
the property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City
Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read letter dated September 9, 1957 from Marie W. Clark, City
Clerk regarding proposed Bonnydale Subdivision, No. 2 located East of Flamingo
Avenue approximately 250' North of Lyndon Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 23. Mr. Norman J. Cohen, Attorney, 828-30 Penobscot Building, Detroit
was present.
Mr. Lotz asked whether any changes have been made to plat since preliminary
approval. Mr. Cohen stated none have been made to his knowledge.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane, seconded by Mr. Lotz and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-278-57 RESOLVED that, final plat of Bonnydale Subdivision, No. 2
located East of Flamingo Avenue approximately 250' North of
Lyndon Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 23 be given
final approval, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the
City Planning Commission July 17, 1956 and July 2, 1957; and
it further appearing that said proposed plat together with
the plans and specifications for improvements therein have
been approved by the Department of Public Works under date of
August 22, 1957; and it further appearing that a bond in the
amount of $90,000 to cover the installation of improvements
has been filed in the office of the City Clerk under date of
September 4, 1957; such bond having been approved by
Charles J. Pinto, Asst. City Attorney on September 9, 1957
it would therefore appear that all the conditions necessary
to the release of building permits have been met and the
Building Department is hereby so notified.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
The secretary read letter dated September 16, 1957 from Marie W..Clark, City
Clerk regarding the proposed Livonia Hills Estates Subdivision located on the
South side of Eight Mile Road approximately 1,225 feet East of Haggerty Road
in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 6. Mr. Harry E. Wolfe was present.
Mr. Miller asked whether any changes had been made to plat since preliminary
approval.- Mr. Wolfe stated that there had been no changes. Have conformed to
letter from John S. Stock as requested and plat has been checked by Wayne
County.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz, seconded by Mr. Kane and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-279-57 RESOLVED that, final plat of Livonia Hills Estates Subdivision
located on the South side of Eight Mile Road approximately
1,225 feet East of Haggerty Road in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 6 be given final approval, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the
City Planning Commission April 2, 1957; and it further appear-
ing that said proposed plat together with the plaza and
specifications for improvements therein have been approved by
the Department of Public Works under date of June 20, 1957;
and it further appearing that $53,000 has been deposited in
escrow with the City of Livonia to cover the installation of
improvements it would therefore appear that all the conditions
necessary to the release of building permits have been met and
the Building Department is hereby so notified.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly zde by Mr. Kane, seconded by Mr. Miller and unanimously
carried, it was
#9-280-57 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on June 18, 1957 and further discussion held September 10,
1957 on Petition No. Z-228 as submitted by Thomas Roperti
for a change of zoning in the Southwest1/4 of Section 16
from AGB to R-3, the City Planning Commission does again
hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition No. Z-228
be denied because request is spot zoning and it is not com-
patible with the future growth of the houses that will be
developed in this area, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published
in the official newspaper, The Livonian under date of
May 29, 1957 and notice of which hearing was sent to The
Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company,
Michigan Bell Telephone Company, The Consumer Power Company
City Departments and petitioner as listed in the Proof of
Service.
The Chairman pro tem declared the foregoing resolution adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz and seconded by "r. Kane, it was
#9-281-57 RESOLVED that, statement dated September 6, 1957 from Albe
Munson, Planning Consultant for $1,000 be approved and
forwarded to the proper department for payment.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Okerstrom, Kane, Lotz, Walker and Miller
NAYS: None
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane and seconded by Mr. MiThr, it was C`
#9-282-57 RESOLVED that, statement dated September 6, 1957 from Albe
Munson, Planning Consultant for $216.70 be approved and
forwarded to the proper department for paymeht.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Okerstrom, Kane, Lotz, Walker and Miller
NAYS: None
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Miller and seconded by Mr. Kane, it was
#9-283-57 RESOLVED that, statement from The Livonian, Inc. for $106.58
be approved and forwarded to the proper department for pay-
ment.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Okerstrom, Kane, Walker, Lotz and Miller
NAYS: None
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted this Regular Meeting
was duly adjourned at approximately 11:45 p.m., September 17, 1957.
.OF / / c---) " ,
Robert L. Miller, Secretary
ATTESTED:
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H. Paul Har ha, Vice-Chairman
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