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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1963-09-10 4 ' 3979 MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE 167TH SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA On Tuesday, September 10, 1963, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia held a Public Hearing and the 167th Special Meeting at the Livonia City Hall, 33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan. Mr. Charles W. Walker, Chairman, called the Public Hearing to order at approximately 9:40 P.M. Members present: 'Dr. Allen, James Cameron, Charles W. Walker, Robert L. Angevine, W. E. Okerstrom and Donald Huested. Members absent: Milton Ingold, Edward Milligan and Dennis Anderson Mr. David R. McCullough, City Planner, was present along with approximately 30 interested persons in the audience. Mr. McCullough announced the first item on the agenda was Petition M-299 by John Claydon, requesting approval to use property for a golf driving range located on the North side of Plymouth Road, approximately 2,050 feet West of Newburgh Road, this property is directly across the street from the intersection of Jarvis Avenue and Plymouth Road, in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 30. 11 Mr. McCullough explained that this property is part of the Schmidt farm. He advised that where Amrhein Road meets the property, the petitioners are willing 4 to erect a fence so that there will be no golf balls going over onto residential property to disturb residents on Amrhein Road. The Petitioners have also indi- cated an intent to develop the land into industrial lots. Mr. Walker asked Mr. R. Kropf if he had anything to say. Mr. Kropf stated that there has been no objections raised on the grounds that the use of this particular property would be injurious to the city. The owner wants the property put to an interim use and he does'nt feel that they should have to be penalized while waiting for a buyer for the property. Dr. Allen asked what damage would be done if there was not an approval at this point? Mr. Kropf stated that the petitioners wanted to start making plans, seeding the grass, etc. , but if anyone can find a buyer, they would be willing to sell. Mr. McCullough stated that there was some indication that the owner was willing to give the Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad the same opportunity at the same price. Mr. Diak, representing the Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad stated that for a number of 111 years they have been contemplating developing the property for industrial use, �$ and they are working on plans showing what could be worked out. He stated they are trying to figure out the entire cost of this development,if this does not materialize, the railroad is interested in developing and selling the property for what their costs are and they honestly feel that these two projects will work before spring. Dr. Allen asked Mr. Diak if there would be any disadvantage to granting this petition? w 3980 Mr. Diak said they could not work out the plans because the price is going to be considerably more than what the owner now is asking if the land is put to use now. Mr. McCullough asked Mr. Diak if they were willing to give you an agreement for the same price, plus two (2) thousand dollars they are going to put in it, would the Chesapeake & Ohio accept that? Mr. Diak stated no, we realize they have some investment to make, however, we have been working on a report to send to the executive offices at this time. The dis- advantage would be if he puts the golf driving range in the property will increase in value because of the income derived from it. Mr. McCullough asked how long do you expect the city to hold up the petitioner? Mr. Diak stated there was no question in his mind that this will be settled before the first of the year. Mr, Kropf stated someone is going to develop this property for industrial use, however, it will not be a hardship for us to have the right to ready the property now. Mr. Cameron stated the building shown on the plan indicates the petitioner does I(: not plan to build before the spring. Dr. Allen asked Mr. Kropf why not go ahead and put in the lawn now? Mr. Kropf stated, we want something we can rely on before we go ahead and seed. Mr. Walker stated that he did not feel that Mr. Diak has submitted any logical reason to consider the matter. Mr. Dan Andrew, Industrial Co-ordinator asked if it would be possible to delay this for th"ty (30) days. He also stated it was his understanding that a use permit was not required to sow grass. Mr. Walker stated that this is not the question. Mr. Kropf stated the question is should anyone be entitled to a use permit. Mr. Woodward stated the Industrial Commission is concerned with industrial develop- ment only. If there is a possible chance that this property could be developed for this use, and the time limit is only thirty (30) days away, it is not too long to postpone this item. Mr. Walker asked Mr. Diak if he felt that he could be pinned down to a specific period on this so it would not hurt the petitioner. :I, Mr. Diak stated that some decision should be reached however, it sometimes takes a little time for the paper work to catch up. Mr. Kropf stated he would be available at any time to begin preliminary negotiations Mr. Walker asked Mr. Kropf is he felt that it would be an undue hardship if we delay this for 30 days? . • 3'/81 1140 Mr. Kropf felt that is an unfair question, he wanted to know if this would come up on the first meeting on October? Mr. Walker stated we realize the problems of the property owners in this city. We, the City Planning Commission want to do everything possible to help them and yet we want to go along with the industrial commission on anything that we possibly can. Mr. Diak stated he would get together with Mr. Kropf next week. Mr. Walker asked it there was anyone in the audience who wished to speak, there being no one, Mr. Walker advised this item would be taken under advisement until the first meeting in October, October 1, 1963. Mr. McCullough stated the next item on the agenda is propsoed Stark Gardens Subdivision, being a part of the Southwest 1/4 of Section 21, such proposed plat being situated on the North side of Schoolcraft Road and South of Lyndon Avenue, approximately 1300 feet West of Gill Road and immediately East of the proposed Binder and Lark Subdivision. Submitted by Morris Friedman. Mr. Friedman stated the price range of the houses will be from $17,000 to $22,000. He has approximately four (4) models all face brick. Mr. Walker asked if he had attached garages on the homes. 1[0 iVIr. Friedman stated sume will have attached garages, but whatever will sell best is what he will build. Mr. Walker asked if anyone in the audience would like to speak? Mr. Gene Walitalo, 14543 Gary Lane asked if Gary Lane would be cut through? Mr. Friedman stated in time Gary Lane will be cut through. After a brief discussion between Mr. Friedman and the commissioners, Mr. Walker advised this item will be taken under advisement. Upon a motion duly made by Dr. Allen, supported by Mr. Angevine, it was 9-173-63 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn the Public Hearing held on Tuesday, September 10, 1963, at approximately 10:15 P.M. A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Allen, Cameron, Walker, Angevine, Okerstrom and Huested NAYS: None I[ Mr. Walker declared the motion is carried and the Public Hearing is adjourned. Mr. Walker called the 167th Special Meeting to order, to act on the following three (3) items, at approximately 10:20 P.M. with all those present now who were present at the time the Public Hearing was adjourned. 3982 I[: Mr. McCullough announced the first item on the agenda is Petition Z-607 by Samuel Elias requesting the rezoning of property located on the East side of Merriman Road approximately 650 feet North of Plymouth Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 26, from M-i to C-2. Public Hearing 8/13/63, advisement; Regular Meeting 8/20/63, advisement. Dr. Allen stated that in lieu of the fact that the Commissioners have studied the information they have, they would like to take this item under advisement again. He stated that within a week or so they would know what is going to happen. Mr. Walker asked if there was any objection to taking this matter under advisement? Mr. Elias stated, "I would like to ask Dr. Allen why you want to take this under advisement again, if there is any other questions, I would be glad to help and so would Mr. Jehowski". Dr. Allen stated there are two or three things that came up that seemed quite pertinent. One is the Sheldon Center. Dr. Allen asked Mr. Jehowski what disadvantage would putting it under advisement again tonig'_-'t cause him. Mr. Jehowski answered, "no disadvantage at all other then getting the ball rolling". Mr. Walker asked Mr. Woodward if it was his decision to hold this item over? Mr. Woodward answered, "I would prefer to wait". Mr. Walker stated if there is no further discussion on this item we have no choice but to take it under advisement. Mr. Okerstrom stated if Mr. Woodward has something to say, he should speak now so we can study his viewpoint at the same time. No one should try to influence the City Planning Commission no matter which way it is. I think we should make a decision on this and every time we are ready to make a decision someone has come up with something else to say. This only prolongs our decision. Mr. Woodward stated that he thought he was being put on the spot. The Industrial Development Commission passed a resolution to the effect that the City Planning Commission should deny the application for rezoning this property for industrial use. After this was submitted to you at the next meeting, Mr. Elias appeared before the Commission and gave us information that we did not know. The Industrial Development Commission decided to compose a letter which stated in effect that the Industrial Development Commission would withdraw their resolution requesting the City Planning Commission to deny the petition for rezoning that property. The reason the letter was'nt submitted was exactly as you have just stated sir, there has been too much fooling around. A request was made to not submit this letter becuase there was evidence or information that the commission desired to consider before passing on the petition to rezone this property. Therefore, the letter was witheld and not submitted. l[l At this time the Industrial Development Commission was primarily concerned that none of this prime industrial property is nibbled away by commercial use, however, they did'nt have any particular abjection to the Post Office in itself providing the Post Office Officials were well aware that a large screw machine factory of some sort might be built next to them or that it might be objectionable to the people who might patronize the Post Office. That is the extent of my report and the reason why the letter was not submitted. Personally, I think that Mr. Elias, 3983 II1 as a private citizen, has a perfect right to ask that the City Planning Commission make a decision one way or the other and I rather concur with him that you should make it one way or the other. The government has established that this should not interfere, frankly, I would like to see the Post Office on Plymouth Road. The deciding factor should lie with those who have had much more experience, which is the Post Office. The Post Master General is quite concerned that the City Planning Commission make some decision. A delay might result in such a thing as to have to wait another four (4) years before we have another offer. Mr. Walker stated that one of the conditions the board has talked to Mr. Elias about is that the zoning would only apply to the boundary that is covered ty the Post Office. The second part of the condition was that we put a condition in whereby this land is to be used by the Post Office only. Under the zoning Ordi- nance this would more of less be in the realm of a legal question. If we were to put this condition in, the Law Department would have to be advised. Mr. Okerstrom stated, "I don't mind putting this matter off until the 17th, pro- viding there will be action taken on this matter one way or the other at that time. Mr. Walker stated that this item would be taken under advisement for a one week period. Mr. McCullough announced the next tiem on the agenda is Petition Z-427a by Stanley L. Satovsky requesting the rezoning of property located on the East side of Levan Road and North of Lyndon in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 20 from R-M to R1A. Public Hearing 8/20/63, advisement. Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Angevine it was #9-174-63 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on Tuesday, August 20, 1963, on Petition Z-427a, as submitted by Stanley L. Satovsky requesting the rezoning of property located on the East side of Levan Road and North of Lyndon in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 20 from R-M to R1A, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition Z-427a be granted for the following reasons: (1) that the land is surrounded by 7200 square foot lots and (2) that this land owner had a plat approved in 1959 for 7200 square foot lots which he let expire because of the building ban andhaving bought on the basis of 60 foot zoning there is an element of hard- ship to now require 70 foot zoning. FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in the official newspaper, The Livonian-City Post under date of July 31, 1963 and notice of which hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Co. , The Consumers Power Company, City Departments and petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service. 1[40 A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Allen, Cameron, Walker, Angevine, Okerstrom and Huested. NAYS: None Mr. Walker declared the motion is carried, and the foregoing resoluticu is adopted. 3984 Mr. McCullough announced the next item on the agenda is Petition Z-599a by L. Bennett Young requesting the rezoning of property located on the South side of Plymouth Road on the East and West sides of Henry Ruff Road (if cut through) in the North half of Section 35, from C-2 to R-3. Public Hearing August 20, 1963, advisement. Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Angevine, supported by Dr. Allen it was #9-175-63 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on Tuesday, August 20, 1963, on Petition Z-599a by L. Bennett Young requesting the rezoning of property located on the South side of Plymouth Road on the East and West sides of Henry Ruff Road (if cut through) in the North half of Section 35, from C-2 to R-3, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition Z-599a be denied for the reason that the property has insufficient depth for apartment development with proper access. FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in the official newspaper, The Livonian-City Post under date of July 31, 1963, and notice of which hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Co. , The Consumers Power Company, City Departments and petitioner as listed in the Proof of Service. A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Allen, Cameron, Walker, Angevine, Okerstrom and Huested NAYS: None Mr. Walker declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted. Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Angevine and unanimously adopted, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn the 167th Special Meeting held on Tuesday, September 10, 1963, at approximately 11:10 P.M. CITY PLANNING COMMISSION r?;\71-??,--,71e4r-Avc.-- IL L. AngevinSecretary ATTESTED: Char es W. Walker - Chairman