HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1968-12-03 5481
MINUTES OF THE 200th REGULAR MEETING
AND A PUBLIC HEARING HELD BY THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA •
On Tuesday, December 3, 1968, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia,
held its 200th Regular Meeting and a Public Hearing at the Livonia City Hall,
33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Raymond W. Tent, Chairman, called the Public Hearing to order at approximately
8:30 p.m. with approximately 35 people in the audience.
Members present: Raymond W. Tent Harry Wrightman Robert Colomina
Donald Heusted Marvin Moser Frank Santo
Joel LaBo
Members absent: Charles U. Walker
Messrs. Don Hull, Planning Director; John J. Nagy, Assistant Planning Director;
Ralph Bakewell, Planner III; Daniel .Andrew, Industrial Development Coordinator;
and David Perry, Assistant City Attorney, were present.
Mr. Wrightman announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 68-10-1-40
by Hyman Gold requesting to rezone property located on the
north side of Six Mile Road, east of Newburgh Road, in Section
8 from R-4-B to C-2 and P.S.
Mr. Tent stated that according to the letters in the file from the Engineering
Department and Consumers Power Company, there appear to be no problems connected
with this petition, and Mr. Gold has been contacted for additional right-of-way
on Newburgh Road. He stated the Planning staff and Commission have prepared a
study for the northwest sector of the City regarding future development and has
worked together to get good development in this area. The study which vas r--
pared by the staff has received coverage in the newspaper and has been revi;;,.>d
by civic groups and by the various departments of City government. He also stated
that the Planning staff had been requested to review the four-corner intersection
to see how these plans fit in with the study.
Mr. Hull, Planning Director, stated that the greatest percentage of vacant land
in Livonia lies in the northwest area of the City bound by Farmington on the east,
Five Mile on the south and on the north and west by the boundaries of the City,
and that in this proposed development the staff has tried to provide all the fac-
ilities that the people moving into the area will need; schools, parks, shopping
facilities, etc. Mr. Hull stated there have been two other basic considerations;
(1) to hold the population density down to a reasonable degree and (2) to stabilize
the tax base by providing a quantity of nonresidential tax base. He showed the
audience the study which shows areas proposed for commercial, industrial, public
and quasi-public development and said the intention is to pre-plan this sector of
the City in a most advantageous manner to the City. He stated the areas up for
consideration this evening are located at Six Mile and Haggerty and a basic pro-
vision has been made for two concentrated areas of office and commercial develop-
ment; the main focus of the entire development will be located at Six Mile and
Newburgh and will probably be in the center of population for this area sad it
is going to be an area that will have access to the freeway. He said traffic
will have access to the freeway at Six Mile, Seven Mile and Eight Mile Roads
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and the next access point south of Six Mile will not take place until Levan Road;
the access at Six Mile will develop a potential for high-class development so
this area has been designated as the heart of the northwest sector of the City
and is referred to as an interrelated community center area covering over one
hundred acres of land.
Mr. Hull showed another detailed plan for Section 8 and stated that over the past
several years there has been a series of subdivisions which have been developed
with 80 foot and 90 foot lots. The first subdivision was Gold Manor No. 1, then
Gold Manor No. 2 and soon Gold Manor No. 3 will be developed and that the petitioner
who develped these subdivisions owns the land at the northeast corner of Six Mile
and Newburgh and is before the Commission this evening to explain his proposal
to the audience and Commission.
Mr. Tent stated that the Commission is very interested in development in this
sector of the City and this is the same Planning Commission that worked with
the Council to bring in the development at Sir Mile and Hubbard and the half-
acre development at Six Mile and Merriman and that was opposed to the K-Mart at
Six Mile and Farmington. He said that when the Commission came up with this
master plan it was to bet the best possible plan and to get the best development.
Mr. Malcolm Leventen, architect and developer, 20131 James Couzens, Detroit, was
present and stated that when he became interested in this development he went to
one of the finest architectural firms and has come up with one of the finest .
development plans in the country. He stated the plans are to have a professional
office area and medical center which has been recommended by the Planning Com-
mission and contiguous to it they are planning a very fine shopping facility
similar to Sommerset in Troy, then showed a picture of a development that is being
built at Nine Mile and Greenfield. He showed a model of the proposed development
tie which contained four buildings and explained how each is proposed to be used. He
stated they have planned parking for over 700 cars some underground, and that the
construction is proposed to appear to be floating and a feeling of lightness,
dignity and beauty is conveyed. He stated combining these uses in one concept is
something that has not been done in this area but this is what they are proposing
and professional and medical uses are what the Planning Commission has recommended.
Mr. Moser questioned who the occupants of the commercial area will be.
Mr. Leventen stated they have them in mind but since they have nothing firm yet
they would prefer not to mention their names.
Mr. Moser referred to the other minor structures and questioned what they are
proposed to be used for.
Mr. Leventen stated they would not be used for anything commercial but rather for
community services such as advertising community events or display areas for
church groups, scouts, etc.
Mr. Moser asked what the value of the complex is.
Mr. Leventen stated, over five million dollars.
Mr. Tent questioned if the plan is to build the entire eleven acres at one time
or just certain buildings.
Mr. Leventen stated that that is very difficult to answer now but he would like to
do the whole thing at one time.
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Mr. Tent stated that he assumed this is the type of development, considering its
quality and location, that would have immediate response and Mr. Leventen would
want to develop all et once. He questioned if Mr. Leventen had reviewed this
with his bank and if fiad any problems and if the bank is agreeable to advancing
money for a project of this type.
Mr. Leventen stated he doesn't go to banks but he has approached his insurance
companies and they agree that this area has a great potential and if this is the
first such development it would be foolish for adjacent developers to do other-
wise.
Mr. Tent questioned if Mr. Leventen sees anything in the future that would re-
quire scaling it down; that it is too big for the area.
Mr. Leventen stated he would like to build it twice the size but parking limits
it.
Mr. Moser questioned if Mr. Leventen anticipates a supermarket.
Mr. Leventen replied, no.
Mr. Wrightman stated he is convinced that if the City gets..started on a project
like this on the north side it will generate the interest the Commission is look-
ing for in future development and calibre development like this is needed to get
the Commissions's development plan off the ground.
Mr. Tent stated he is in hopes that the petitioner will live up to what he has
presented tonight and that is what the Commission intends to see; no small-class
"pie-in-the-sky" development.
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Mr. John Barkley, a resident, questioned what the Commission can do if they
grant this change and he does give us a "pie-in-the-sky" development.
Mr. Hull stated that the Commission now has site plan approval and before any
physical development can take place on a parcel of this size the petitioner must
have site plan approval by the Commission and by the Council.
Mr. Tent stated that through the help of the Council the Commission can make
the petitioner conform to the plan as submitted and can prevent them from down-
grading the development. He expressed to Mr. Gold that he will have to tell the
people who buy homes that the outlot is potential commercial area and Mr. Gold
wants to develop this and the residential simultaneously.
Mr. JohlPierson, a resident;;. questioned how many of the real estate men realize
what is going in. He stated he does not think the salesmen in the area are
aware of what is going in and believes this is being pushed before houses are
all sold.
Mr. Leventen stated when he gives his word on something, it is solid and he would
not be associated with:. this project if it was not the finest. He indicated the
architect's rendering of the development at Nine Mile and Southfield and stated
this building won an award as the finest building in the world in its marble con-
cept. He stated he would not waste his time if this proposed development was
cut-rate and that it will be an added inducement to people to buy a home near
4 one of the finest developments in the country.
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Mr. Stan Woodside, a resident, stated there are two schools north of the proposed
development and something should be done about the traffic.
Mr. Tent stated the traffic problem will be taken care of when reviewed by the
Traffic Commission and the way the plan is laid out there will be no egress or
ingress into the Subdivision.
Mr. M. Buckingham, 36352 Joanne, questioned what is presently located at the
northeast corner.
Mr. Hull stated there are presently two parcels of land at the northeast corner
of Six Mile and Newburgh; one is owned by Shell Oil Company and the Commission
is doing everything to not allow a station at this corner but to relocate it.
Mr. Buckingham asked what is planned for that corner.
Mr. Hull stated to keep it completely open; with no development.
Mr. J. Gibbons, 37664 Kingsbury, questioned the size and height of the structure
and what portion will be office and what portion will be stores.
Mr. Leventen stated the height is approximately 32 feet and stated he has plans
which Mr. Gibbons can go over if he wishes. He said that to the best of his
knowledge this is a hearing on land use and they are a long way from a building
permit and they have to take things as they come.
It was established that the proposed development will consist of approximately
50,000 square feet for office and approximately 100,900 square feet for commercial.
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Mr. Tent stated that the change of zoning is being heard at this hearing tonight
and the land use and the size of the buildings will come and the Commission will
have another hearing on it if necessary.
Mr. Hull stated that approximately 2/3 of the site is under petition for C-1 and
1/3 for P.S.
Mr. LaBo stated the map in the file indicates the commercial and professional
zoning.
Mr. Tent stated that Mr. Gibbons is from the Federation of Civic Associations and
perhaps a map could be given to him. He stated that at such time as the site
plan is submitted to the Commission the Traffic Commission will make their
recommendations regarding traffic, then it is presented to the Council and they
make sure recommendations are adhered to.
Mr. Anthony, a resident on Westbrook Drive, questioned if the southeast corner
is zoned commercial.
Mr. Tent replied, yes it is.
Mr. Anthony asked the age of the Northwest Sector plan.
Mr. Hull stated the plan was prepared approximately three years ago.
Mr. Anthony questioned what changes or major plans have been made since then.
Mr. Hull stated there has been very little change made.
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Mr. Anthony stated that in any community today the way things are happening with
roads, etc. he believes changes are benrig made almost every hour.
Mr. Tent stated the area has not developed to that extent. He said the pattern
has been established with the Commission's plan and Mr. Gold developed his sub-
division in line with the plan.
Mr. Anthony stated he lives close to this area where there are several shopping
centers and questioned if there is going to be a shopping center on every corner
like there are gas stations.
Mr. Urightman stated that the Planner has made a definite statement as to the
amount of population expected in this area; that surveys have been taken and
this Master Plan is being followed to the best of the Commission's ability. He
stated this plan was worked out for the benefit of the thirty thousand people in
the area and this type of commercial will be different than what exists there now
or within a radius of two to three miles of the area.
Mr. Santo questioned if Mr. Hull would consider this development commensurate
with the type of plan he would like to see here.
Mr. Hull stated he believes this typifies the type of development we have been
trying to encourage in the City; that we have not always obtained the quality
and calibre of development desired but he believes we now have sufficient controls
to regulate it to a high degree at this time and it is the intent to do so. He
stated he thinks the quantity of strip commercial in our City is deplorabe, and
in this proposed development there is only two new commercial areas, one of them
is located at Seven Mile and Farmington and the other is at Six Mile and Newburgh.
He said the intention was to designate two areas that will have good high-
quality development.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item.
Mr. Tent stated the item will be taken under advisement.
Mr. Urightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-10-2-23
by Rodney C. Kropf for James A. Thompson, Jr., requesting
to be granted a waiver use permit to construct and operate
a Lums Restaurant on property located on the south side of
Plymouth Road, east of Milburn Avenue, in Section 35.
Mr. Tent questioned if Mr. Kropf is aware of the fact that an additional right-
of-way is required according to the Engineering Department.
Mr. Kropf stated, yes.
Mr. Tent questioned if anybody could answer the question about the legality of
the liquor license.
Mr. Kropf stated there might be a problem concerning the motel in the area and
if there is a problem, their request will be reduced to a Tavern License; they
they understand there may be a problem here. He stated his client is putting
up a Lums in Royal Oak and Ann Arbor; that this particular size building, about
3,000 square feet, will have adequate parking to help alleviate the traffic
situation. He stated the trademark of Lums Restaurant is "the home of the beer-
soaked hot dog".
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Mr. Thompson, petitioner, stated Lums started in about 1956 in Florida and there
has never been one fail ; they are extremely well-run. He stated he estimates
1 this is a $200,000 development and will contribute to the City of Livonia.
They will employ a maximum of about ten people on a shift. He said this is not
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a bar; it is not a drive-in; it is not a carry-out; it is strictly a sit-down
restaurant at agreeable prices, and they have a triple A rating with Dun and
Bradstreet.
Mr. Tent stated that Mr. Thompson indicated this is a franchise business and
referred to a concept of what the building will look like and questioned if the
staff had checked the parking as to conformance to the ordinance.
Mr. Hull stated there are no ordinance violations on the site plan.
Mr. Tent stated it appears that the parking lot is just a plain blacktop,
standard-type parking lot and referred to other establishments in the City that
have added aesthetics and questioned if Mr. Thompson would be willing to do that.
Mr. Thompson stated, that he worked with John Nagy on the landscaping for this
establishment and there is extensive landscaping for this parking lot.
Mr. Nagy stated there is a marked plan in the file.
Mr. Kropf stated they will follow the plan prepared by the Planning Department.
Mr. Tent questioned what assurance the Commission has that they will do this.
Mr. Kropf stated they will sign a statement which is attached to building permit.
Mr. Wrightman questioned why the land use does not go all the way to the rear.
Mr. Thompson stated the owner does not have any definite plans for that right
now. He stated he shows 60 parking spaces and he also has no plans to go any
further. He said they will build a wall as is required by Ordinance.
Mr. Moser questioned how minors are handled considering the beer.
Mr. Thompson stated that a large part of their business is minors and they are
allowed to have shildren accompanied by an adult. He stated that beer used in
the preparation of food is legal.
Mr. Colomina questioned if there would be any problems regarding egress and in-
gess to the parking lot.
Mr. Hull stated he did not see any problem regarding Plymouth Road which is the
basic concern; there might be an inconvenience since the traffic might not flow
as smoothly as it would if their site was larger.
Mr. Robert Vollmer, 29286 Orangelawn, questioned how far back will this parking
lot extend from the building.
Mr. Thompson stated, about 240' .
Mr. Vollmer further questioned the traffic problem.
Mr. Hull stated he could see no means of alleviating the traffic except by
developments that will be lowtraffic generators. He stated this is not a high
traffic generator, but there were other uses that would be lower.
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Mr. E. Newman, 30418 Elmira, requested an explanation of waiver use in the
C-2 zoning.
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Mr. Tent explained the new ordinance requiring petitioners to come before the
Commission and Council for restaurant approval.
Mr. Newman stated that Mr. Thompson came around the neighborhood and had a good
reception; that some of the residents have seen these restaurants and would like
to see it located here, but they have only one exit out of the subdivision and
would have difficulty getting into the traffic pattern. He stated that he
would like to suggest that acceleration lanes be put in here as they have been
in other areas of the country.
Mr. R. Nettle, a resident on Hillcrest, questioned what the plans are for the
rest of the land since this development covers only a portion of it. He stated
he doesn't think Lums will generate much traffic but he thinks something should
be done to alleviate the traffic situation in view of the new road that Taubman
put in.
Mr. Tent stated that that question came up earlier relative to the C-2, and
regarding the distance between bars, asked if Mr. Perry has an opinion on the
validity of this petition.
Mr. Perry stated that there is a problem with the Holiday Inn but that is a
Class B license and he understands the Council is considering an amendment to
the ordinance that would reduce the requirement to 500' .
Mr. Tent stated, then the way the ordinance reads today, the petition is valid.
Mr. Perry stated the ordinance specifically states between Class C licenses,
the Holiday Inn is a Class B; and the intent of that provision is to preclude
a "skid row development' .
Mr. Tent stated that if the Commission acted favorably on this petition there
will be no problem in submitting it to the Council.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, stated the item will be taken under advisement.
Mr. Wrightman stated the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-11-2-24 by
Carl 17. Carlson requesting to be granted a waiver use permit
to construct a retail bakery store with a counter for sale of
coffee and donuts on property located on the south side of
Plymouth Road between Cavell and Arcola in Section 36.
Mr. Tent stated there is a letter in the file from the Law Department stating
that the alley vacation should be resolved before this petition is approved.
Mr. Nagy familiarized the Commission with the status of the pending vacating
petition.
Mr. Carl Carlson, petitioner, stated that there is presently a business
established on Seven Mile and Middlebelt but that the architecture has been
changed since its construction. He showed the Commissioners a plan of the new
architecture.
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Mr. Tent questioned if every bakery will have this architectural plan.
Mr. Carlson stated they will now; that the plans have been upgraded including
sign appeal. He stated the signs are now integrated into the building.
Mr. Tent asked if Mr. Carlson has a client in mind for this particular building.
Mr. Carlson stated he is an architect and has no idea as to who might have this;
it is specualtion.
Mr. Tent questioned if the plan has been checked for conformance to the ordinance
Mr. Hull stated there are no v?.ol-,tions on the site plan.
Mr. t]rightman questioned how this location was picked.
Mr. Carlson stated they normally look for a traffic count plus churches and
single family residences in the immediate vicinity. He said they also have a
wholesale arrangement included in the business for factories, church groups and
things of that kind.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, stated the item will be taken under advisement.
Mr. Wrightman stated the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-11-1-41 by
the City Planning Commission on its own motion to rezone property
located at the northwest corner of Cardwell and Joy Road in
Section 36, from R-1 to C-2.
Mr. Hull stated this rezoning will round out the commercial zoning in this
sector of the City and the desire of the Department is to get the proper zoning
so that three things can be done; (1) the existing commercial development could
be upgraded and improved; (2) it is possible that the existing bump shop can
be converted or changed to commercial rather than a non-commercial use, and
(3) it would be our hope and desire to resolve the question of the requirement
for the wall that was required on the commercial development immediately to the
west which is occupied by a rental establishment. He stated it is his under-
standing that this gentleman contemplates an addition to this existing store and
to do this he would be required to construct a wall along the east because the
land to the east is zoned residential. Mr. Hull stated that the letter from
the Inspection Department further substantiates the feeling of himself and the
Commission regarding this rezoning.
Mr. Tent read the letter from Mr. Kerby.
Mr. Hull stated that regarding the question of ownership„the land immediately
adjacent to Cardwell is owned by Mr. Jones and the land thaLoccupied by the
bump shop is owned by Mr. Zimmerman.
Mr. Jones, property owner, stated he owns property on the corner and questioned
if this rezoning would have any effect on changes to be made within the next
few years; that he intends to tear everything down in the future.
Mr. Tent stated Mr. Jones would not be forced to immediately improve the land
but at such time as he is ready to improve it, he will have the zoning to do it.
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Mr. Hull stated that at the present time he would not be allowed to tear down
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the building and improve it but if the Commission acts favorably on this, that
would fit favorably with his plan.
Mr. LaBo stated he is happy to hear that because he was not in favor of this
because the man could leave what is there for a long time.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item.
Mr. X'7rightman stated the next item on the agenda is preliminary plat approval
for Mar-Git Subdivision No. 2 proposed to be located in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 24.
Mr. Tent questioned if there are any deficient lots in this proposal.
Mr. Hull stated there are no deficient lots; the only question would be the
dedication of open space which the Department recommends not be required in
this case.
Mr. Charles Biegum, representing the petitioner, was present.
Mr. Tent referred to a letter in the file from the Engineering Department re-
garding reditching and stated the Engineering Department is completely in
agreement with this plat being processed.
Mr. Inger, a resident asked for clarification for the waiver of open space.
Mr. Hull stated this is a relatively new proposal that has been adopted by the
City requiring open space and normally it would be implemented, but in this
case the dedication would be so small that it would not be large enough to be
of any use to the area and the Department has tried to coordinate it with other
land so there can be a piece large enough to be an asset.
Mr. Inger stated that he thinks the developer should take into consideration as
a deficit the fact that the back yards of these homes border on a bowling alley,
a parking lot and a motel.
Mr. Tent stated he assumes the developers who invest in this will have to meet
all codes and the zoning requirements of the City are such that they will not
be allowed to put a home not in keeping with the existing homes in the area.
Mr. Hull stated that in general these lots exceed the minimum requirement.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, stated the item will be taken under advisement.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Moser, seconded by Mr. Colomina, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-150-68 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn
the public hearing held on Tuesday, December 3, 1968, at approxi-
mately 10:10 p.m.
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• Mr. Tent, Chairman, called the 200th Regular Meeting to order at approximately
10:30 p.m. with approximately the same number of interested persons in the
• audience as were present for the public hearing.
Mr. Wrightman announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 68-10-1-40
by Hyman Gold requesting to rezone property located on the
north side of Six Mile Road, east of Newburgh Road, in
Section 8 from R-4-B to C-2 and P.S.
• On a motion duly made by Mr. Wrightman, seconded by Mr. Moser, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-151-68 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held
on December 3, 1968 on Petition 68-10-1-40 as submitted by
• Hyman Gold requesting to rezone property located on the north
side of Six Mile Road, east of Newburgh Road, in Section 8
from R-4-B to C-2 and P.S., the City Planning Commission does
hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 68-10-1-40
be approved for the following reasons:
(1) It is consistent with the Master Plan for the North-
west Sector of the City.
(2) There is a need for this type of facility in this
sector of the City.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was
published in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer
under date of November 13, 1968, and notice of such hearing
was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio
Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers
Power Company, City Departments as listed in the Proof of
Service.
Mr. Tent stated that there has been a public hearing and the Commission has
viewed the plan and the thing of interest to him is that at the time Mr. Gold
and Mr. Leventen were asked about the financial backing they stated that
financial concerns had indicated to them that this area deserved attention,
yet other developers with development proposals within this area have stated
that it was not possible to get financial backing for this area because the
City has no similar type development to warrant it.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Tent stated the petitioner will be back for site plan approval and at that
time all the details such as park, etc., will be reviewed. He further stated
that the Commission will hold them to what they have stated as their intention
tonight. •
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-10-2-23 by
Rodney C. Kropf for James A. Thompson, Jr., requesting to be
granted a waiver use permit to construct and operate a Lums
Restaurant on property located on the south side of Plymouth
Road, east of Milburn Avenue, in Section 35.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Wrightman and seconded by Mr. Moser, it was
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#12-152-68 RESOLVED that; pursuant to a public hearing having been held
on December 3, 1968 on Petition 68-10-2-23 as submitted by
Rodney C. Kropf for James A. Thompson, Jr. , requesting to
be granted a wiaver use permit to construct and operate a
Lums Restaurant on property located nn the south side of
Plymouth Road, east of Milburn Avenue, in Section 35, the
City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 68-10-2-23 be approved for the following
reasons:
(1) The intended use will not adversely effect the adjacent
residential neighborhood.
(2) The proposed development will not adversely effect the
adjacent commercial land use.
(3) The proposal is of sufficient calibre to justify our
approval.
and subject to adherence to the approved Landscape Plan.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above public hearing was
sent to property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City
Deparf:ments as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Heusted, Moser, Colomina, LaBo, Tent, Urightman
NAYS: Santo
ABSENT: 'Talker
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared 'the motion carried and the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
Mr. Urightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 63-11-2-24 by
Carl W. Carlson requesting to be granted a waiver use permi to
construct and operate a retail bakery on property located on
the south side of Plymouth Road between Cavell and Arcola in
Section 36.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Moser, seconded by Mr. Wrightman, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-153-68 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held
on December 3, 1968 on Petition 68-11-2-24 as submitted by
Carl U. Carlson requesting to be granted a waiver use permit
to construct a retail bakery store with a counter for sale of
coffee and donuts on property located on the south side of
Plymouth Road between Cavell and Arcola in Section 36, the
City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 68-11-2-24 be denied for the following
reasons:
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(1) There are other similar facilities in close proximity
that will provide the same service.
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(2) This intended use could adversely effect the stability
of the adjacent commercial and residential development.
(3) The intended use is a relatively high traffic generator
and could conflict with the movement of transient traffic
along Plymouth Road.
(4) The location and size of the proposed use, the nature and
intensity of the principal use and accessory uses, the site
layout and its relationship to streets giving access, shall
be such that the traffic to and from the use and assembly
of persons in conjunction with the use, will be hazardous
and inconvenient to the area and could conflict with the
heavy traffic volume of the area.
(5) The location of the building and its accessories will be
such that the proposed use could have a detrimental effect
upon the neighboring property and the neighboring area in
general. It may impair the value of the neighboring property
and discourage the appropriate development and use of the
adjacent land or building.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was
sent to property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City
Departments as listdd in the Proof of Service.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Carlson requested to know if he will have an opportunity to appeal this.
Mr. Hull stated the petitioner must appeal within ten days and at that time
the denying resolution will be transmitted to Council.
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-11-1841 by
the City Planning Commission on its own motion to rezone property
located at the northwest corner of Cardwell and Joy Road in Sec-
tion 36, from R-1 to C-2.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Wrightman, seconded by Mr. Heusted, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-154-68 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on
December 3, 1968 on Petition 68-11-1-41 as submitted by the
City Planning Commission on its own motion to rezone property
located at the northwest corner of Cardwell and Joy Road in
Section 31, from R-1 to C-2, the City Planning Commission does
hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 68-11-1-41
be approved for the following reasons:
(1) This will round out the zoning pattern in this sector
of the City.
(2) It will be consistent with the land use in this sector
of the City.
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(3) It will be a constructive step toward the upgrading
of the area.
(4) It will resolve the problem of the protective wall on
adjacent properties.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was
published in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer,
under date of November 13, 1968, and notice of such hearing
was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Rail-
way Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers Power
Company. and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
Mr. Colomina requested to know if the bump shop could be enlarged if this zoning
is granted.
Mr. Hull stated, no, but it could be converted to a more desirable use. He
stated the bump shop is there now as a legal non-conforming use and requires an
M-1 zoning.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, stated the motion carried and the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
Mr. Urightman announced the next item on the agenda is the preliminary plat
approval for Mar-Git Subdivision No. 2 proposed to be located
in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 24.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Moser, seconded by Mr. Colomina, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-155-68 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on
December 3, 1968, theCity Planning Commission does hereby recom-
mend to the City Council that the preliminary plat of Mar-Git
Subdivision No. 2, proposed to be located in the Southwest 1/4
of Section 24, be approved for the following reasons:
(1) It is of sufficient design calibre to justify our approval.
(2) It is consistent with the development of other subdivisions
within the general area.
(3) The Commission does hereby waiver the open space requirement.
because the amount of open space required is too small to be
of any practical use.
with the following condition:
(1) That the open ditch be connected to Drain No. 24.
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
abutting property owners, proprietor, and City Departments as
listed in the Proof of Service and copies of the plat together
with notice have been sent to the Building Department, Superin-
' tendent of Schools, Fire Department, Police Department and Parks
and Recreation Department.
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Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is final plat approval
for Levan Heights Subdivision No. 2, located in the Northeast 1/4
of Section 20, be given final approval for the following reasons:
(1) It is of sufficient calibre to justify our approval.
(2) The financial obligations of the City have been met.
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the City
Planning Commission under Resolution #2-19-68 adopted on
February 20, 1968; and it further appearing that said proposed
plat together with plans and specifications for improvements
therein have been approved by the Department of Public T forks,
Engineering Division, under date of May 13, 1968; and it further
appearing that the financial assurances as required in Council
Resolution #761-68 adopted on July 17, 1963, have been filed
with the City Clerk as confirmed by a letter dated November 27,
1968 from Addison W. Bacon, City Clerk, it would therefore
appear that all conditions necessary to the release of building
permits have been met and the Building Department is hereby
so notified.
Mr. Tent raised a question regarding the one lot that was deficient in depth.
Mr. Hull stated there were more than that but only one could be changed because
it was not surrounded by immovable physical boundaries and that lot was changed.
Mr. Wrightman requested that an explanation of the immovable boundaries with
regard to this subdivision be sent to Council along with resolution letter.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is final plat approval
for Levan Heights Subdivision (formerly known as Steven Brian
Subdivision) to be located in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 20.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Moser, seconded by Mr. Heusted, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#12-156-68 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend
to the City Council that the final plat for Levan Heights Sub-
division (formerly known as Steven Brian Subdivision) located
in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 20 be given final approval for
the following reasons:
(1) It is of sufficient calibre to justify our approval.
(2) The financial obligations of the City have been met.
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that tentative
approval of said proposed plat was given by the City Planning Com-
mission under Resolution #2-20-65 adopted on February 2, 1965; and it
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further appearing that said proposed plat together with plans and
specifications for improvements therein have been approved by the
Department of Public Works; Engineering Division, under date of
February 22, 1966; and it further appearing that the financial
assurances as required in Council Resolution #312-66 adopted on
March 16, 1066, have been filed with the City Clerk as confirmed
by a letter dated May 22, 1968 from Addison U. Bacon, City Clerk,
it would therefore appear that all conditions necessary to the
release of building permits have been met and the Building Depart-
ment is hereby so notified.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, pursuant to a letter dated February 1, 1968
from Dave Meinzinger requesting a change in the name of said sub-
division from Steven Brian Subdivision to Levan Heights Subdivision,
the City Planning Commission does hereby approve said request.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 67-11-8-10
by Frank Volk requesting site plan approval for multi-family
development proposed to be located on the south side of Margarets
Drive in Section 6.
Mr. Tent gave a brief history on the background of this petition and stated
that the Planning Commission voted favorable on the zoning change and the site
and at that time their approval was based on the fact that the petitioner would
adhere to his original proposal; there was complete agreement. Later on, he
stated, the petitioner stated he could not build units of this magnitude and
size in the area, his reason being difficulty of obtaining financial backing.
Mr. Tent stated that the Commission's approval was based on the fact that they
would have large units and in the same section of the City we have another
proposal by Mr. Gold ,and the Commission has heard what Mr. Leventen had to say
about financial backing in the area. At this time, Mr. Tent explained, Mr.
Voll: is requesting that action be taken on his original plat which does not
agree with the Planning Commission plan.
Mr. Wrightman questioned Mr. Volk regarding a 10% reduction.
Mr. Volk stated they have considered it and have submitted new plans to the
same mortgage people and had no agreement on them.
Mr. Urightman questioned if the fact is that Hr. Volk cannot accept the proposal
of the Commission.
Mr. Volkstated might be possible but not on the big plans at this time, but
he requested the Commission to remember that he was putting in one big building
in case there was a demand for that type of building and the door is not shut on
that. He said he came in with plans of around 1,000 square feet which he
originally planned to build and the Commission said these were not large enough.
He stated he would build larger but he could not get the financial backing.
Mr. Tent stated that is why he questioned Mr. Gold regarding his financial
backing.
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Mr. Moser stated that he checked with the people from First Federal and their
objection is that they are not quite sold as to our City being capable of hand-
ling this type of development and they also did not like the access easement to
the property as proposed on the plans.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Colomina and seconded by Mr. Moser, it was
#12-158-68 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Section
8.02 of Ordinance No 5433 the Zoning Ordinance, as amended, having
reviewed Site Plan dated 12/2/58, presented in connection with
zoning Petition #66-7-1-22 approved by the City Planning Commission
Resolution #12-176-67 adopted on December 12, 1967 and by the City
Council Resolution #455-68 adopted on May 8, 1968, does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 67-11-8-10 requesting
site plan approval for multi-family development proposed to be
located on the south side of Margareta Drive in Section 7, be denied
for the following reasons:
(1) The petitioner has not conformed to his previous
commitments as to the size, calibre and quality of
the multi-family units.
(2) The ratioof two-bedroom units over one-bedroom units
has been changed and is excessively high.
(3) The orientation of some of the buildings is not desirable
because the front portion of some buildings face the rear,
It: or service portion, of other buildings.
Mr. Colomina stated he has nothing against Mr. Volk personally but when the
original agreement was made, to him this was a contract; that the Commission
offered 1,300 square feet and has had no answer on that outside of 1,200 square
feet and carports. He stated that to him the contract was broken, verbally or
written, and he doesn't even think we have a site plan.
Mr. Moser stated that the petitioner asked that it be acted on tonight; that is
the reason for :.his support.
Mr. Tent stated that the site plan does not comply; there has been an increase
in two bedroom-units which is more than we agreed on. He said the Commission
has been concerned about the ratio- of one and two bedroom units and when the
proposal for zoning was approved over a year ago, there was controversy as to
whether this land would lend itself to multi-family or not. He stated that a
developer can tell you what he will do and not live up to it and the Commission
is not playing games; it is trying to build up the northwest sector of the City,
and the Commission wants to get someone to put up quality development and with
Mr. Gold's development, they have a start.
Mr. Volk questioned if there is anything in the ordinances that says he has to
build units of that size.
Mr. Tent stated no, that is according to the original agreement.
1E1 A roll call vote on the foregoing motion resulted in the following:
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AYES: Hausted, Moser, Tent, Wrightman, Colomina, Santo
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: LaBo
Mr. LaBo stated he has not been present for discussions.
Mr. Santo stated he is not voting as to whether or not apartments will go here;
only for a principle and if he were not to support the principle of making agree-
ments the Planning Commission would only be a listening board, and on that basis
he votes no.
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
Mr. Wrightman announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 68-10-6-10 by
the City Planning Commission to amend Section 18.50; 18.50A;
18.50D; 18.50E and 18.50F of Ordinance No. 543, the Zoning
Ordinance.
Mr. Tent read a letter dated December 3, 1968 from the Legal Department stating
that a second public hearing on this petition is not necessary and questioned
if the changes made by the Zoning Board of Appeals have been worked out, and if
Mr. Bennett is in concurrence.
Mr. Robert Menzies, Planner III, stated yes.
Mr. Moser questioned if the whole Zoning Board of Appeals concurs.
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Mr. Menzies stated he does not know regarding the free-standing pole regulations
but Mr. Raymond was in concurrence a week ago.
Mr. Tent questioned if Mr. Bennett has the pwoer to act for the Zoning Board of
Appeals and if he was doing so.
Mr. Bennett replied, yes.
Mr. Tent stated that the Commission, by Mr. Bennett's absence from a prior study
meeting took for granted that he is in complete concurrence with the proposal.
Mr. Bennett stated, yes. He stated he believes the report is a compromise and
that he doesn't think the Zoning Board agrees with everything in the ordinance
but, in general, he thinks the Zoning Board would support the ordinance as pro-
posed.
Mr. Tent asked Mr. Bennett to convey the Commission's gratitude to the Zoning
Board for working with them and if they have any further questions regarding
planning the Commission will be happy to know about the.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Wrightman, and seconded by Mr. Colomina, it was
#12-159-68 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on
November 12, 1968 on Petition 68-10-6-10 as submitted by the
City Planning Commission to amend Section 18.50; 1850A; 18.50C;
18.50D; 18.50E and 18.50F of Ordinance No. 543, the Zoning Ordinance,
the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 68-10-6-10 be approved for the following
reason:
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(1) This is a necessary tool to adequately regulate develop-
ment within our City.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above public hearing was
published in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer,
under date of October 23, 1968 and notice of such hearing was
sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Michigan Bell Telephone
Company, Chesapeake and Ohio Railway Company, Consumers Power
Company and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Moser, Heusted, Colomina, Santo, Tent, Wrightman
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Walker
ABSTAIN: LaBo
Mr. Tent, Chairman, declared the motion carried and the foregoing resolution
is adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Wrightman and seconded by Mr. Moser, it was
#12-160-68 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the meetings held by the City
Planning Commission on August 27, 1968; September 17, 1968;
October 1, 1968 are approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Heusted, Colomina, Moser, Tent, Wrightman
NAYS: None
ABSENT: (Talker
ABSTAIN: LaBo, Santo
On a motion duly made by Mr. Colomina, seconded by Mr. Heusted, and unanimously
adopted, the City planning Commission adjourned its 200th Regular Meeting,
held on December 3, 1968, at approximately 11: 30 p.m.
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