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MINUTES OF THE 426th REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY THE CITY
• PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
,Tuesday, February 2, 1982, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia, held
426th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Five Mile
d, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Daniel R. Andrew, Chairman, called the Regular Meeting and Public Hearings to order
at 8:00 p.m. with approximately 10 interested people in the audience.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Judith Scurto Joseph Falk Donna Naidow
Sue Sobolewski Daniel R. Andrew Jerome Zimmer
Herman Kluver Lee Morrow Donald Vyhnalek
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
Messrs. John J. Nagy, City Planning Director; H G Shane, Assistant City Planning Director;
and Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner IV, were also present.
Mr. Andrew then informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves a
rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the City Council, who
in turn will then hold their own Public Hearing and decide the question. If a petition
involves a waiver use request, and the petition is denied by the Planning Commission, the
' petitioner then has ten days in which to appeal for relief. Otherwise the petition is
terminated.
t. Falk, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 82-1-1-1 by
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Anthony Skover, Thomas O'Rourke and Louie Mancinelli to rezone property
located on the east side of Haggerty Road between Seven Mile and Phillips
Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 6, from M-1 to C-2.
Nagy: We have correspondence from Engineering regarding the lack of a sanitary sewer.
T. O'Rourke: I have reviewed this with Engineering and unfortunately we are unable
45818 Beacon Hill to produce the architectural renderings to allow us to know what amount
Plymouth, MI 48170 of CFS is required. We are aware of the limited capacity of the sewer.
We feel the CFS required by our building won't be sufficiently noticeable.
I have assured Mr. Siemert prior to any construction we would secure
his approval or City approval of CFS. We are requesting C-2 from
Industrial. We propose a banquet hall and catering service. We will
not be involved in industrial catering. That is, the aluminum trucks
that come in and out daily. We will only cater special events, for
instance, the auto show, etc.
Mr. Andrew: The food preparation will be on the site and then delivered to a special event.
Mr. O'Rourke: Our banquet facility will be similar to Roma Hall but we hope to have a
better quality. Our building plan is quite attractive, being more of a
colonial look and having a cathedral look to it.
Mr. Andrew: What will the capacity of the hall be?
jr O'Rourke: We will have about 15,000 sq. ft. 5,000 sq. ft. will be used for kitchen, etc.
o About 10,000 sq. ft. will be used for the hall. One thousand people should
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Mr. Andrew: Can you give us a projected sanitary sewer flow prior to this
commission taking action.
Mr. O'Rourke: We are unable to show engineering what capacity we would need
until architectural renderings are completed. I would hate to
venture at this juncture what the definite date for the
architectural renderings would be.
Mr. Andrew: Could the architect calculate the water closets, urinals, sinks,
etc. and then calculate that discharge without the final plans.
We cannot act on the petition if we are not certain the site can.
be used for the use you would want.
Mr. O'Rourke: I venture to say we do have a rough layout of what we would want
the hall to look like. The architect can extract from that layout
to forecast the CFS capacity. I don't know how long it would take
him.
Mr. Andrew: How long would it take Engineering to go over the CFS?
Mr. Nagy: I understand they have had more than one meeting. It won't take
long to compute the CFS. The next study meeting would be time
enough if they could secure the appropriate information from their
architect.
Mr. Andrew: All we need is the plumbing take off.
Mr. O'Rourke: I didn't know this would be addressed tonight. Otherwise I would
have it ready.
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Mr. Andrew: Do you have any kind of an option on the property?
Mr. O'Rourke: We do have an option to purchase and this option expires on May 15th
this year subject to zoning.
Mrs. Scurto: When those other people came before us was that not for a zoning change?
Mr. Nagy: It was an informal meeting that never resulted in a formal rezoning
petition.
Mrs. Scurto: Do you own the rest of the property in that block that is M-1?
Mr. O'Rourke: Mr. Skover is the owner of the rest of the property.
Mrs. Scurto: Why do you chose this particular piece of property?
Mr. O'Rourke: This was the cheapest part of the whole 74 acres, that had good
frontage on Haggerty or Seven Mile Road.
Mr. Morrow: Last summer we did have some problems with the subdivisions south
of this site. There was water backup in their basements. I would
be interested in Engineering's comments regarding this development's
impact on the sewer system. Do you have any existing catering business
now.
4111,600 Mr. O'Rourke: Yes. One of the partners is the former operator of Nicky's.
Mr. Zimmer: Would a C-2 useage be more intensive than M-1?
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Mr. Andrew: If it was a warehouse the fixtures are less. In a light assembly
operation that would require less fixtures. That would almost
require a one on one comparison.
Mr. Kluver: With the sewer problem that is now existing at the nearby
subdivision I have great reservation on acting here until that is
resolved. Those people have a serious problem. The site seems to
be inappropriate. I have difficulty locating that type of zoning in
that particular location.
Mr. Zimmer: Do you have any idea what the owner plans to do with the other 4
acres? Is there going to be an attempt to harmonize the remaining
property. Our Future Land Use Plan asks for some balanced kind of
use between Commercial, Office and Medium Density Residential.
Phillip Skover: My father and I and partners have owned this property for 15 years.
21476 Lujon Ct. We have been paying $30,000 to $40,000 in taxes per year. Industrial
Northville development has found other places. We would like some commercial,
multiple and office. If we brought the sewer one mile down and down
Seven Mile across the frontage of the City owned land and eventually
tie it in we could simply not afford it. We need a big user. We
own 60 acres but have control over 74 acres. I am working with the
Pence estate and trying to tie in that piece with ours and bring it
up to 82 acres.
Gary Bloom: We are in the historical home. My partner and I have a law practice.
39040 W. Seven We have spent a great deal of money on our site. We are proud of
Mile our location. We spend a great deal of time here. We are concerned
with the development of this property. Mr. Skover has assured me
that this is going to be a quality project and would not downgrade
the area. We have no objections and we support the petition.
Mr. Skover: Whatever we have had we have tried to do on a quality basis.
Mr. Andrew: Will you add the Pence piece to the remaining parcel?
Mr. Skover: I will not have ownership but I will try to sell it. I will try
to tie in a big user.
Mr. Andrew: Is Tax Parcel H2 Michigan Highway property?
Mr. Skover: They took too much from us and we are waiting for an appraised value.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mr. Kluver, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-12-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on February 2,
1982 on Petition 82-1-1-1 by Anthony Skover, Thomas O'Rourke and Louie
Mancinelli to rezone property located on the east side of Haggerty Road
between Seven Mile and Phillips Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 6,
from M-1 to C-2, the City Planning Commission does hereby determine to
table Petition 82-1-1-1 until the Study Meeting to be conducted on February 9,
ILL1982 for the following reasons:
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(1) There is concern as to sewer discharge from the site as indicated
in a letter received from the Division of Engineering.
(2) There is concern about the development of the over all property
as it may be impacted by this development.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-1-7-1 by the City
Planning Commission to amend Part VII of the Master Plan of the City
of Livonia, the Future Land Use Plan, to update the Future Land Use
Plan in accord with actual and proposed revisions having occurred since
adoption of the Plan on June 10, 1975.
Mr. Andrew asked if anyone was present and wished to speak either for or against
this petition. There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this
item.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mrs. Naidow and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-13-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to the provisions of Act 285 of the Public Acts of
Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia, having duly held a Public Hearing on February 2, 1982, for the
purpose of amending Part VII of the Master Plan of the City of Livonia,
entitled "The Future Land Use Plan", LI20488 PA67, the same is hereby
amended 'so as to update the Future Land Use Plan in accord with actual
and proposed revisions having occurred since adoption of the Plan on
June 10, 1975,
for the following reasons:
(1) The Future Land Use Plan should reflect the current recommendations
of the Planning Commission regarding the future use of all land
within the City of Livonia.
(2) The subject amendments reflect recent zoning changes and land use
changes caused primarily by the acquisition or swapping of public
park land and the sale of public school facilities for private use.
AND, having given proper notice of such hearing as required by Act 285
of the Public Acts of Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City_ Planning
Commission does hereby adopt said amendment as part of the Master School
and Park Plan of the City of Livonia which is incorporated herein by
4 reference, the same having been adopted by resolution of the City Planning
Commission with the City Council, City Clerk and the City Planning Commission
and a certified copy shall also be forwarded to the Register of Deeds for
the County of Wayne forrecording.
We certify that the foregoing resolution was duly adopted at a meeting of the City
Planning Commission on Tuesday, February 2, 1982, by the following vote:
AYES: Scurto, Falk, Naidow, Sobolewski, Andrew, Zimmer, Kluver, Morrow,
Vyhnalek
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Nagy: NU, lClllJ LVL
rezoning then there are for platting.
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Mrs. Scurto: Who is the proprietor?
Mr. Nagy: Tarabusi Creek Corp. , 33551 Seven Mile Road.
Mr'. Zimmer: What is the zoning east of Louise below the plat?
Mr. Bakewell: R-1.
Mr. Zimmer: How long has it been R-1?
Mr. Bakewell: Since 1965.
Mr. Morrow: The triangular shaped piece could it not be attached to someone's
parcel.
Mr. Nagy: That might be used for a turnaround.
Mary Minch: I was curious to know if the road is paved who is going to pay for it?
17443 Louise
Livonia
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Mr. Andrew: Engineering is not requiring paving on Louise.
Mrs. Minch: Only two people received a notice that I'm aware of on my street.
Mr. Andrew: On a Preliminary Plat only the abutting property owners are notified.
Mrs. Scurto: Is the proposed development to the west taken into consideration in
the 100 year flood plain?
Mr. Nagy: Yes, it is a factor.
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Mr. Falk: How many streets going to Six Mile are unpaved?
Mr. Nagy: Between Middlebelt and Merriman this is the only one.
Mr. Falk: Why isn't Louise to be paved?
Mr. Nagy: This subdivision has so little frontage on Louise, for this portion
to be paved and the other portions leading into this subdivision
unpaved, it would not be feasible.
Mr. Falk: We have required paving in the past.
Mr. Nagy: A similar situation was Bobrich Courts Subdivision to the south,
there was no paving required in that situation either.
Mr. Zimmer: When the final plat is made available is the green line which is
purported to be the 100 year flood line on there?
Mr. Nagy: Absolutely.
Mr. Kluver: I live near the flood plain and I have had no problems.
41 Roy Hebert: T own Lots 41, 42 and 43. I was here in 1979 when there was a request
29637 Ravine for apartments. That request was withdrawn. The developer did not
wish to pave then. We have a subdivision Hidden Pines that is vacant.
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There are some homes on Angling that are still vacant. With the
economy and interest rates and mortgage rates things are not selling.
' We don't need any more homes. Schools are closing in Livonia.
We don't need more traffic and cannot handle it. It doesn't make
sense to plat another subidivision. There is only one access and
that will create havoc. There is a tremendous amount of wildlife
that will be disturbed.
Mr. Zimmer: The proprietor has maximized on the open space here that is being set
aside to be dedicated to the City.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mr. Morrow, and adopted it was
#2-14-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on February 2,
1982, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that the Preliminary Plat for Sunset Park Estates Subdivision
proposed to be located on the east side of Louise Avenue between Six Mile
and Curtis in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 11, be approved for the following
reasons:
(1) The preliminary plat conforms to the R-1 zoning district regulations
which is the zoning classification for the land area involved.
il, (2) The preliminary plat conforms to the Subdivision Rules and Regulations
as adopted by the Planning Commission.
(3) All reporting City Departments approve the layout of the subdivision.
FURTHER RESOLVEDthat, notice of the above hearing was sent to abutting
property owners, proprietor, City departments as listed in the Proof of
Service and copies of the plat together with notice have been sent to the
Building Department, Superintendent of Schools, Fire Department, Police
Department and Parks and Recreation Department.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Morrow, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Zimmer, and Andrew
NAYS: Kluver, Scurto, Naidow, Falk
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-15-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to the provisions of Act 285 of the Public Acts of
Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission does hereby
establish and order that a public hearing be held in the City Hall of the
City of Livonia, to determine whether or not to change the street name of
Vassar Avenue located north of Seven Mile between Middlebelt and Parkville
in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 1.
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FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of time and place of said public hearing
shall be published in a newspaper of general circulation in the City
' of Livonia and a notice by registered United States mail shall be sent
to each public utility or railroad company owning or operating any public
utility or railroad within the City of Livonia in accordance with the
IL provisions of Act 285 of the Public Acts of Michigan of 1931, as amended.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-16-82 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 425th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings
held by the City Planning Commission on February 2, 1982, be approved.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mr. Morrow, and adopted it was
#2-17-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to Section 18.47 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended by Ordinance #990, the City
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 82-1-8-1 by Jaafar K. Jaafar requesting approval of all plans
required by Section 18.47 submitted in connection with a proposal to
construct a party store and retail rental space on the south side of
Seven Mile Road between Farmington Road and Filmore in Section 9, be
approved subject to the following conditions:
(1) that Site Plan #7917, Sheet 1, dated 6/19/79, prepared by Robert K.
Seymour, Architect, which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(2) that Building Elevations as shown on Plan #7917, Sheet 2, dated
6/19/79, prepared by Robert K. Seymour, Architect, which are hereby
approved shall be adhered to;
(3) that a detailed landscape plan shall be submitted for Planning
Commission approval within thirty (30) days;
(4) that any roof-mounted mechanical units shall be adequately screened
from view; and
(5) that any signs proposed to be erected on the site shall first be
approved by the Planning Commission before issuance of any sign permits.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Sobolewski, Kluver, Falk, Andrew, Morrow, Naidow, Zimmer, Vyhnalek
NAYS: Scurto
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adoptec
41 On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mr. Kluver, and unanimously adopted,
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#2-18-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to Section 18.47 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
11, Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended by Ordinance #1567, the
City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 82-1-8-2 by Livonia VFW Post #3941 requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.47 submitted in connection with a proposal
to erect a sign on property located on the south side of Seven Mile Road
between Middlebelt and Maplewood in Section 12, be approved subject to
the following conditions:
(1) THAT THE Sign Plan prepared by Livonia Post #3941, dated 1/26/82,
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which is hereby approved shall be adhered to; and
(2) that a detailed landscape plan for the berm around the new parking
lot shall be submitted to the Planning Commission for approval
within thirty (30) days.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-19-82 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve the
Landscape Plan submitted by Kenneth Soble in connection with a condition
of approval of Petition 81-12-2-26 by Kenneth Soble for Drug Land, Inc. ,
requesting waiver use approval to utilize an SDD Liquor License within a
building proposed to be constructed on the northwest corner of Middlebelt
Road and Clarita in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 11, subject to the
following conditions:
(1) that the landscape plan as shown on Sheet A-1 of Job #8114, dated
1/26/82, prepared by Havis-Glovinsky Associates, which is hereby
approved shall be adhered to; and
(2) that the landscaping as shown on the approved plan shall be installed
on the site before the building is occupied and thereafter maintained
in a healthy condition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 426th Regular Meeting
and Public Hearings held by the City Planning Commission on February 2, 1982 were
adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
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