HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2016-08-30 MINUTES OF THE 1,093rd REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 1,093rd Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive,
Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Ian Wilshaw, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: Sam Caramagno Glen Long Betsy McCue
Kevin Priddy Carol Smiley Peter Ventura
Ian Wilshaw
Members absent: None
Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, was also present.
Chairman Wilshaw informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City
Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a
petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective
seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the
professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The staff
has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions, which
the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the
proceedings tonight. I also want to note that Kevin Priddy has joined the Planning
Commission and we welcome you and look forward to working with you.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2016-07-08-08 FIRE STATION #6
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2016-
07-08-08 submitted by Partners in Architecture requesting
approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with
a proposal to construct an addition to the maintenance garage of
Livonia Fire Station #6 at 37876 Plymouth Road, located on the
north side of Plymouth Road between Newburgh Road and
Chase Boulevard in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 30.
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Mr. Taormina: This is a request to construct an addition to Fire Station #6 which
is on the north side of Plymouth Road between Newburgh Road
and Chase Boulevard. The property is about 1.23 acres. The
zoning is PL, Public Lands. There is an existing facility on the site
that includes the fire station that serves the southwest part of the
city, along with the Fire Department's apparatus garage, which is
where all fleet vehicle maintenance is performed. The building
today is about 8,000 square feet. That includes the station which
is roughly 5,600 square feet and is located in the front half of the
building. The apparatus garage, which occupies the back part of
structure, is approximately 2,400 square feet in size. The existing
garage contains two overhead doors on the east side which
allows vehicles to enter and exit within the service bays. The
proposed addition off the back of the building would roughly
measure 3,000 square feet and would be located on the portion
of the site that currently contains an asphalt parking lot. This
addition would expand the maintenance portion of the building to
about 5,400 square feet and bring the overall building to just overt
11,000 square feet. The purpose is to improve and enlarge the
maintenance operations within the facility. The existing garage is
about 18 feet in height. Because of the need to bring in larger
rigs, the height of the new portion of the building will increase to
about 28 feet. In terms of what the addition will look like, basically
the lower part of the structure would contain brick from ground
elevation to up about 9 feet, and the upper part of the building
would be covered in a metal wall panel system. The east side
would contain two large overhead doors. The floor plan shows
that the addition would contain two service areas, one larger and
one a little bit smaller. There would be a mezzanine area added
for additional storage. With that, I'll be happy to read out the
correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Please.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from the
Engineering Division, dated August 3, 2016, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced petition. We have no
objections to the proposed project at this time. The legal
description submitted with the petition appear to be correct and
should be used in conjunction with this petition. The existing
parcel is assigned the address of 37876 Plymouth Road. The lot
is currently serviced with public storm and sanitary sewer, as well
as water main. The submitted drawings indicate that the existing
services will be extended to service the new building addition
which should not adversely affect the current systems. The
proposed plans do not contain calculations for the proposed
drainage system or any storm water detention, as required by the
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City of Livonia Site Design Standards. The owner should submit
drawings to this department to determine if they will need to
obtain permits for the proposed utility work and soil erosion from
the City of Livonia, as well as provide storm water detention per
the Wayne County Storm Water Ordinance. It should be noted
that there is a sixty (60) foot wide easement located over the
existing high pressure gas main located on the east side of the
building. (see attached easement) Per the recorded easement,
limitations for construction over and around the gas main are
described which may impact the proposed construction.
Engineering drawings should be submitted to Consumers Energy
prior to any construction for their approval of the means and
methods of constructing the proposed addition. Should the owner
need to enter the Plymouth Road right-of-way to revise utility
service leads or alter driveway approaches, they will need to
obtain permits from the Wayne County Department of Public
Services." The letter is signed by David Lear, P.E., Assistant City
Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue
Division, dated July 27, 2016, which reads as follows: 'This office
has reviewed the site plan submitted in connection with a request
to construct an addition to the maintenance garage of Livonia Fire
Station #6 on property located at the above referenced address.
We have no objections to this proposal." The letter is signed by
Keith Bo, Senior Fire Inspector. The third letter is from the
Division of Police, dated August 5, 2016, which reads as follows:
"I have reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. I have
no objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by Brian
Leigh, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the
Inspection Department, dated August 25, 2016, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request, the above-referenced petition
has been reviewed. This Department has no objections to this
petition."The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director
of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions for the Planning staff? Seeing none,
Chief Whitehead is here. Would you like to address the petition
and add anything from what we've heard so far?
Chief Whitehead: Mr. Chair, Planning Commission, how are you? I just want to
make sure if there was anything not stated earlier or some
questions that you had, if there's any clarification or anything that
is needed, I'm here to answer those. I think that most of the
questions in the study session that were asked were really good
questions, and I think that, hopefully, you've received the
answers that helped clarify those. If there is anything else, feel
free to inquire.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Chief. You may hear some of the same questions
again just to get things on record because it was an informal
meeting.
Chief Whitehead: Absolutely.
Mr. Wilshaw: Does anyone have any questions for the Chief?
Mr. Caramagno: Did you hear anything from any of the neighbors? Any issues? I
know there were all pretty quiet on this.
Chief Whitehead: We've been in communication with those that are contiguous to
us. We've certainly been in communication with them over the
past several weeks. There's been other preparation being done.
We've moved generators, like we talked about previously, to the
west side. We've certainly been in contact with the neighbor on
the west side and spoke with him frequently about the
suppression of that. We just added onto this last week and
reduced the decibel levels because we've added some additional
suppression to the generator on that side and we're trying to
create a better visual effect, put some fencing around the
generator and clean that up as well since it faces his residence
now. So there's some things we're working through with him, but
to this point, we haven't had any complaints or really any
inquiries. We do plan to hold an open house once we get the
renderings and approvals. We're going to hold a little open house
just at the fire station and we'll be putting out some flyers to the
community right there locally if they want to stop by, ask any
questions, get a chance to see the renderings and what we intend
to put up in terms of the size and scope of the project itself. I think
most of them would welcome it. I don't think it's really going to
impact them based on the position of it and hopefully, at the same
time, I know that we're working with the Housing Commission to
raze the tower that's not being used any more in the back. That's
probably the biggest question that they're going to have and we
get a chance to talk with the neighbors. So hopefully we can
satisfy that request as well soon.
Ms. Smiley: First of all, thank you and the Fire Department for your great
service. I wanted to have you talk a little bit more about razing the
tower in the back.
Chief Whitehead: That was the old training tower. The training tower, as well as
the garage addition, was constructed originally and put on paper
in 1969. Once the construction was completed, the tower was
used for about 40 years until it got to the point where the tower
was no longer useful. Degradation over time, the concrete and
the amount of funding that it would take to bring that back up to
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code for us. Plus the structure wasn't enclosed, so we could do
very little with the structure other than laddering and some
different evolutions with it, but we worked with Schoolcraft
College and developed a new training center jointly which is now
on Glendale across from the police range. So we have a joint
operation over there in terms of training and the resources and it
is state of the art. So we have a new four story drill tower there.
We have two live fire burn chambers that we use continuously
throughout the year. And we've got a really nice piece of property
to work with. We've got tremendous water supply there. We've
moved all of our training operations to the Glendale site and have
discontinued operations as of about seven years ago on this
particular structure. So basically now, the structure is sitting
vacant just waiting to be razed. I've had communication back and
forth with the Housing Commission, and Jim Inglis has been really
good about including us into their overall plan once construction
starts there. The company that's involved with the construction
with the expansion of Newburgh Village would be the ones that
will also help us with razing the top four stories of that tower,
which they just basically cut off and then take the top three stories
off and then we would go ahead and put a pitched roof and really
dress the lower part of the structure up. The lower part of the
structure will remain. Below that is a cistern that we use to do
pump testing, so it's a draft pit. It's a cistern that's filled with about
2,250 gallons of water and that is used for pump testing where
we create a draft on the truck, we're able to pull a vacuum and
we test all the trucks once a year. They go through pump testing.
So we still need that facility to do that and the neighbors
understand that the only times they're going to hear trucks really
ramping up out there is typically in what we call a pump test
period, which is typically in the fall. And we do it during the
daytime hours. We don't do it too early in the day. We don't do it
too late. Therefore, we don't really impact the neighbors that
much. We haven't had any complaints because they know it's just
once a year that we do the pump operations. So that's the
concept and the idea about trying to clean that up. We're hopeful
that you'll see plans before you possibly by the end of the year,
maybe the first part of next year for the expansion of Newburgh
Village. Hopefully that will be short coming in terms of being able
to raze the tower.
Ms. Smiley: In addition to the tower, the old fire station is outdated and you're
going to do some maintenance there?
Chief Whitehead: The existing structure that was built when the original station
was built kind of has outlived its life expectancy in terms of its
operational effectiveness for us. The capacity that we have in that
structure really limits us to the types of vehicles we can work on;
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namely our aerial trucks. We have two large aerial trucks. The
trucks that were built in the '60's don't resemble anything like the
trucks we use today. In order to be able to work inside on the
vehicles and be able to put them up on a lift and get them up off
the floor, we had to create a structure that was longer and higher.
So that extra 10 feet in height is really going to allow us to actually
lift the vehicle off the ground, an entire aerial truck, and then be
able to work underneath it, whether it's suspension, chassis,
pump packings, whatever it may be. It makes it much more
efficient and effective to be able to do it inside. Currently, they
have to work on the aerials outside. Obviously when it's cold
weather or rain, it can be very cumbersome at best. We've had
this in strategic planning for about six years, but the city wasn't in
a position to be able to fund something like this. We've had to
wait awhile. So we're hoping and we're fortunate with the fiscal
return and things are turning around that we're able to make
some improvements to this facility that will allow us to work on the
entire fleet and improve our effectiveness in terms of support to
the fleet and the firefighters.
Ms. McCue: Could you just reiterate, is this the only facility like this in Livonia?
Chief Whitehead: Correct. It would be the only facility of its type in Livonia. We
have our own maintenance staff. We're very fortunate that we
have our own fire mechanics. We have mechanics that are
trained specifically for fire apparatus and for ambulances. It's a
different type of certification so our mechanics focus on just our
fleet. We have currently in the fleet about 22 vehicles as well as
fleet cars, a couple pickup trucks and then about four to six
trailers that they service as well. That shop does all of those
repairs, all small engine repairs. They do all the compression
repairs. They do hydraulic repairs to all of our rescue equipment,
jaws of life. So for us they're really gold in terms of their position
and what they do. We're very fortunate. It's become very
specialized because the apparatus has become so sophisticated
electronically and what runs the apparatus, the pumps. So it's a
lot different than what most mechanics are familiar with. The
facility is the only facility of its type really in the area. We're very
fortunate. Many fire departments have to third party or out-
resource their maintenance and they are different shops in the
area, Wixom, there's a few others, but certainly not efficient in
terms of the wait times for repairs and the turnaround. So we're
very, very fortunate that we have staff to be able to take care of
and make sure that all the apparatus is operational at all times.
They do a fantastic job for us. This really takes us from a position
from where we've been able to tread water, but we haven't been
able to fully work on all the apparatus. This now gives us the
space to be able to do that with our newer additions to the fleet
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which is a 100 foot aerial tower that runs out of Station #3 as well
as our 75 foot aerial that runs out of Station#1. It's in the business
plan as well. We talked about this a little bit earlier is that there's
a great possibility, and my hope is over time this surplus space,
if you will, because it does free up some space in the first two
bays which are much smaller, the older bays that exist now
currently. It allows some capacity to potentially work with our
partners, other fire departments that are contiguous to us, and
maybe take on a little bit of maintenance for them, potentially,
some preventative maintenance, whether it be oil changes,
brakes, some of the basic things. We've been asked several
times if we would be open to that in contracting and doing some
work for the fire departments because our guys specialize and
that's what auto mechanics do and they're very good. So we have
a pretty good reputation out there and so, hopefully, maybe over
time that would be something that we can build into the business
plan, is to take on a little bit of extra work and really be a good
partner to our other fire departments in the area.
Ms. McCue: Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Chief Whitehead. Is there anybody in the audience
that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition?
Seeing none, a motion would be in order.
On a motion by McCue, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#08-85-2016 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2016-07-08-08
submitted by Partners in Architecture requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with a proposal to
construct an addition to the maintenance garage of Livonia Fire
Station #6 at 37876 Plymouth Road, located on the north side of
Plymouth Road between Newburgh Road and Chase Boulevard
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 30, be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the Engineering Plan marked C-2, dated August 16,
2016, as revised, prepared by Partners in Architecture, is
hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That the Exterior Elevations and Building Sections Plan
marked A5-01, dated August 16, 2016, as revised, prepared
by Partners in Architecture, is hereby approved and shall be
adhered to;
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3. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
4. That the issues outlined in the correspondence dated
August 3, 2016, from the Assistant City Engineer, including
the impact that the addition might have on the adjacent
existing gas main easement, shall be resolved to the
satisfaction of the Inspection Department and/or
Engineering Department;
5. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and,
6. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion? Before we call the roll, I want to point out
the fact that it's nice to have the Fire Chief here and I wanted to
take a quick opportunity just to thank him and his department for
the work that they not only do for our city and our citizens, which
is very, very important from a safety perspective, but also the fact
that they work closely with the Planning Commission and Council
on each of these petitions that come before us. Their staff reviews
each of these petitions and provides valuable comments, along
with the Police Department, that are specific to both Police and
Fire from a safety perspective. We always look forward and make
sure that we have those letters for each of our petitions. The work
that they put into reviewing these petitions is certainly significant
and very much appreciated by this body and the Planning
Department. So thank you very much, Chief.
Mr.Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
Thank you, Chief, and good look with that.
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ITEM #2 PETITION 2016-08-08-09 MICHIGAN FUELS
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2016-
08-08-09 submitted by N.C. Designers & Contracting, on behalf
of Michigan Fuels, requesting approval of all plans required by
Section 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, in connection with a proposal to renovate the existing
Mobil gas station, including demolition of the existing building and
construction of a new gas station, at 33430 Schoolcraft Road,
located on the northwest corner of Schoolcraft and Farmington
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 21.
Mr. Taormina: This is an existing gas station located on the northwest corner of
Schoolcraft and Farmington Roads. The property is rectangular
in shape. It's about 207 feet in length along Schoolcraft Road by
roughly 100 feet on Farmington Road. The zoning of the property
is C-2, General Business. Located immediately to the north of the
subject property is the Looney Baker. Further to the north as well
as to the west is an office/industrial complex known as MetroPlex
Office Park which is zoned RE, Research Engineering. There are
additional commercial properties both to the east across
Farmington Road and to the south across Schoolcraft Road and
the 1-96 Expressway. The existing gas station building is only
about 400 square feet in size. It is located near the middle of the
site approximately 60 feet from Schoolcraft Road and 100 feet
from Farmington Road. The existing gas pumps and the
overhead canopy extend along Schoolcraft frontage directly in
front of this building. One of the access points to the site is off
Farmington Road and two are off Schoolcraft Road. The
underground storage tanks are located in the northeast corner of
the property. There is also a utility area in the northwest corner of
the property that includes a small storage shed as well as the
existing trash enclosures. The proposed plan would involve
removing the existing gas station building and constructing a new
convenience store along with reconfiguring the other site
elements, including the parking, lighting, etc. The new
convenience store would be about 3,080 square feet in size. This
is a building that is substantially larger than the current 400
square feet building. The building would be located along the
property's rear or north lot line, approximately 63 feet from
Farmington Road and 75 feet from Schoolcraft. The ordinance
requires a minimum setback of 60 feet from any road right-of-way,
so the building as shown on the site plan is compliant with the
setback requirements. It also contains a zero setback on the north
side of the property, which is allowed between adjacent
commercial districts subject to compliance with certain
construction standards and fire codes for such buildings. The new
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building would contain a retail area, a cashier counter, offices as
well as a restroom. The floor plan illustrates the arrangement of
the various rooms within the building. The majority of the space
within the building would be dedicated to the display area as part
of the convenience store operations. The rendering shows that
the building would be constructed mainly out of brick. The
southeast corner of the building would be finished in what was
originally identified as a hardy plank material, which is a
composite material common in today's construction. We'll hear
from the architect this evening because it may have involved a
change to a different sort of material. The overall building height
would be 14 feet at the low point and 20 feet in height at the
highest point, which is in compliance with the ordinance.
Buildings within this district are permitted to go up to a height of
35 feet so we're well below that threshold. There would be some
reconfiguration of the gasoline pumps. I'll refer to the landscape
plan which shows the location of the pumps. The revised plan
shows 10 pump islands with the capacity to service up to 20
vehicles at one time. The canopy itself measures about 25 feet
by 143 in length. Really there is no change, as I understand it, to
the canopy. All the work is going to involve the building and other
site elements. The actual canopy will remain. Where the building
was previously located two additional pumps will be installed. The
overall height of the canopy is limited to 18 feet. The canopy is
also required to be no less than 10 feet from any property line. In
this case, the canopy far exceeds that requirement. In terms of
parking, the ordinance requires commercial buildings to have
parking at a ratio of one space for every 150 square feet of
useable floor area. This station would require 16 spaces and the
site plan shows 11 spaces, some of which are 9 feet in width. At
the study session, we had asked the petitioner to show those
spaces compliant with our 10 foot width requirement. So that is a
change that is not reflected on the plans you're looking at
currently. There are no changes proposed to the site driveways.
The area of landscaping constitutes about 20 percent of the total
site which does exceed our requirement of 15 percent. We don't
have any details on signage at this time, but the site would be
allowed one ground sign, 40 square feet in area, 12 in height, as
well as 100 square feet of total wall signage that could be placed
either on the building or the canopy structure. With that, Mr.
Chairman, I can read out the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Yes, please.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated August 8, 2016, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above-referenced petition. We have no
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objections to the proposed project at this time. The legal
description submitted with the petition and the legal description
shown on the submitted plans do not match. The description
submitted with the petition indicates that property includes the
24.72 foot wide vacated alley on the west end of the site, while
the description on the plan set does not. The owner should verify
whether or not the property includes the vacated alley and adjust
the legal description as necessary. For purposes of this petition,
we would recommend using the description included with the
petition paperwork. The existing parcel is assigned the address
of 33430 Schoolcraft Road. The lot is currently serviced with
public storm and sanitary sewer, as well as water main. The
submitted drawings do not indicate proposed locations, or
relocations of the exiting service leads, so we are unable to
determine any effects to the existing systems at this time. The
proposed plans do not contain calculations for the proposed
drainage system or any storm water detention, as required by the
City of Livonia Site Design Standards. The owner should submit
drawings to this department to obtain permits for the proposed
utility work and soil erosion from the City of Livonia, as well as
provide storm water detention per the Wayne County Storm
Water Ordinance. Should the owner need to enter the Farmington
Road right-of-way to revise utility service leads or alter driveway
approaches, they will need to obtain permits from the Wayne
County Department of Public Services." The letter is signed by
David Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is
from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated August 22, 2016,
which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan
submitted in connection with a request to demolish the existing
gas station and construct a new fueling facility on property located
at the above referenced address. We have no objections to this
proposal with the following stipulation: We recommend removal
of one (1) exit/entrance on Schoolcraft Road due to corner and
traffic flow. This has been asked for and approved in the past for
at least two other facilities." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee,
Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated
August 23, 2016, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the
plans in connection with the petition. I have no objections to the
proposal." The letter is signed by Brian Leigh, Sergeant, Traffic
Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection Department,
dated August 25, 2016, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your
request, the above-referenced petition has been reviewed. The
following is noted: (1) Two restrooms are required to be
accessible to the public. One female and one male restroom. (2)
The barrier free parking space shall be van accessible. (3) The
Commission and/or Council may wish to address free air at this
site and add the following statement: That free air shall be
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provided at all times this station is open for business. The free air
shall be dispensed at the point of service without having to enter
the station or the performance of any extra action in order to
obtain the air without charge. (4) Signage has not been reviewed
at this time. This Department has no further objections to this
Petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions for the Planning Department? Seeing
none, the petitioner is here. We will need your name and address
for the record please. Is there anything you would like to add?
Nasser Choucair, NC Designers and Contracting, 3241 S. Telegraph, Dearborn,
Michigan 48124. I'd like to show you the material that we're
changing. Instead of the composite, we're using a sandstone
material. I have a picture. This material is not concrete; it is sand.
It's compressed at a certain pressure and it's steamed in a kiln at
a certain temperature so it would be as you see it. It's the same
thickness as brick. It lasts. The whole idea of this material is that
it comes in a 2.5 inch thickness. It comes at 12 inch, 8 inch and
6 inch. So when we put the pattern on the building, it would look
like a really nice component with different coloring, gray, white
and beige. The second thing I'd like to mention is about the
approach. I think we are comfortable to leave the approach as is
but we can comply with the Police Department. I think they are
requiring that the owner close it if it's possible. We can make a
one-way entry. I mean no entrance, only exit from there, but no
entry from there, and we can put do not enter signs, but it's
always better to keep that corner for traffic flow inside the gas
station. Did they say anything about the floor plan and the
restrooms?
Mr. Taormina: I think he has a question regarding the Inspection Department
which calls for both a mens and womens restroom.
Mr. Choucair: One inside the cashier area for safety for the cashier and one
outside, but the floor plan always can be changed in terms of
meeting the requirement for building and safety for free barrier
per code. This can be changed if the building and safety really
needs us to do the two bathrooms outside. Then we have no
choice. We have to put them outside. So that's not a problem to
do so. The air, like normally, we give it for free. That's all I want
to talk about, the material and the approach.
Mr. Wilshaw: I see that you have a sample of the materials as well.
Mr. Choucair: That's the brick that we're using on the building.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions for Nasser?
Ms. Smiley: About the restrooms. That one is outside? I see two WC's, that's
water closets right?
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
Ms. Smiley: One is outside. I see the one by the cashier. This other one is an
outside bathroom?
Mr. Choucair: Yes. The outside bathroom is for the customers. The inside one
is for the employee at night because they have the door locked
and bullet proof so they can use their own bathroom. But if the
City is requiring us to move it outside with the other one, we can
go ahead and do that.
Mr. Taormina: I'd just like to clarify that he is talking about outside of the
restricted area. It would still be within the building. He's not talking
about outside access to the restrooms. We're talking about
having two separate restrooms, one male, one female, inside the
building as opposed to one unisex restroom.
Mr. Choucair: Michigan code won't allow us, not the city. We're not allowed to
put bathrooms with doors to the outside anymore. It's prohibited.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. That was my confusion. I'm not a big fan of gas station
bathrooms anyway but I thought I wouldn't want it outside. There
was a question about the vacated alley. What's up with that?
Mr. Choucair: There is a vacated alley. What we can do is provide engineering
a survey on that property that would show them exactly how it's
going to be.
Mr. Long: The site plan that we saw earlier, the parking has not been
updated on this. Is that correct? This is the original one that you
presented for the study meeting?
Mr. Choucair: Yes. We said that we're going to put two parallel spots along
Schoolcraft. That's what we talked about in the study meeting,
and if you need us to put them 10 by 20, we can go ahead, but
probably we're going to lose one spot from one side, but we can
put it on the other side.
Mr. Long: But there will be the parallel parking in between the two
approaches. Is that the plan?
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
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Mr. Long: Okay. What will be the business interruption of the site? Will the
station have to close during this and for how long is it estimated
that it would be closed?
Mr. Choucair: You mean during the construction?
Mr. Long: Will you still be selling gas during the construction?
Mr. Choucair: Yes. We're going to be putting the building in the back and then
we'll do the demolition, and then we'll shut down about two to
three weeks.
Mr. Long: Thank you.
Mr. Ventura: My questions relate to parking as well. Forgive me, I was not at
the study session so these questions may have been asked and
answered, but are we adding parking spaces to the site?
Mr. Wilshaw: The discussion at the study meeting was a couple parallel parking
spaces between the two entrances on Schoolcraft.
Mr. Ventura: Parallel to the Schoolcraft service drive?
Mr. Wilshaw: Correct. To lessen the deficiency.
Mr. Ventura: How many employees will work in this station?
Mr. Choucair: Normally, in a gas station like this, two, not more than that.
Mr. Ventura: So two of the spaces that are shown here will be consumed by
employees?
Mr. Choucair: Yes. Not all the time, only during the day probably to fill the cooler,
but afterwards, they'll leave. You'll have like a couple employees
will be at the gas station at all times. We can put like about four
to six hours only, but then only one employee would be behind
the cashier.
Mr. Ventura: So how many parking spaces are going to be on the revised site
based on the study session?
Mr. Choucair: What we have, plus another two parallel parking spots.
Mr. Ventura: So that would be 10.
Mr. Choucair: Fifteen, because we now have 11, if I'm not mistaken.
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Taormina, don't we lose one if we go to 10 foot spaces?
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Mr. Taormina: Yes. Actually, to answer Commissioner Ventura's question,
there's probably no net change in the number of spaces if we go
to the 10 foot spaces. He probably would gain one space. We'd
probably lose one on the northeast corner. The other ones, with
the adjustments, I think can be made to the other areas without
losing any parking. So we would probably net increase only one
space by adding those two along Schoolcraft Road.
Mr. Ventura: Two of those during the day would be used by employees.
Mr. Taormina: One of the issues we have with most gas station proposals is to
what extent are the spaces away from the pumps needed in order
to accommodate the convenience store. We know that there are
those operations throughout the city, like the Speedways, that
typically don't have enough parking beyond the pumps to handle
the amount of traffic.
Mr. Ventura: Speedway at Seven Mile and Newburgh?
Mr. Taormina: Correct. Other stations seem not to need much additional parking
beyond what's at the pumps. In this particular case, he is showing
11, possibly 12, spaces with the changes discussed, and while
it's a deficiency, what would be needed under normal
circumstances by code for strictly a convenience store of this
nature, the fact that we have the other 20 spaces at the pumps
will probably pick up some of that. I'm not sure we have a
shortage from a practical standpoint. By code though, it will
require a variance.
Mr. Ventura: My experience is with the station you make reference to at Seven
Mile and Newburgh, it is seriously deficient. It is a very interesting
situation there to try and use that store without buying gas. Cars
are parked all over the place.
Mr. Choucair: We can put them between the two islands. We can fit in there
three cars if we put 20 feet, 2 feet in between the two cars, then
20 feet, 2 feet. I can squeeze like three cars there if it's possible.
If it's not, then we'll leave it.
Mr. Ventura: Do you have a projection as to how many customers you would
serve in this store?
Mr. Choucair: Most of the gas station, if you don't have like, I mean, like food
facility and stuff, you won't even go near 15 occupants in that
facility. You don't even go near that, and most of the cities I go
through, they tell me that you won't occupy over 15. Then we're
okay to go with whatever parking we have. Even I don't have half
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what we are requiring now. At one time, you won't see more than
10 people in there, or seven people. I never see many people
going inside the gas station as much as they pump gas and go.
Mr. Ventura: Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Smiley: You mentioned that the Fire Department asked you to close one
of the exits. What exit are you closing?
Mr. Choucair: We're trying to keep all the exits, but I'm proposing that we'll put
a "do not enter" sign on the one on Schoolcraft so no cars would
enter but can exit from there.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. then my second question is, this is right near 1-96. What
kind of security do you have at this gas station for the employees?
Mr. Choucair: Definitely, it would be during the day, no bullet proof, but during
the night we would put bullet proof in there. So the window would
be open during the day because nothing would happen during the
day, but at night, because it's really slow, and it's near a freeway,
then we have bullet proof glass.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. And we have good lighting on the canopies?
Mr. Choucair: Yes. LED.
Ms. Smiley: When we do those parking spots, number 6 through 11, you're
going to make those bigger and make them 10 feet, right?
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
Ms. Smiley: And then you'll eliminate one but you won't do anything to cut
down the landscaping, right?
Mr. Choucair: No, because what I'm thinking, where the handicap is, moving it
to the other side near the room and expand these so I won't lose
any of these, and I'll just take near that room some landscaping
off on the west side next to the utility room. There is about five
feet of buffer there, landscaping we can get.
Ms. Smiley: And I apologize if you already went through this, but where is the
free air going to be located?
Mr. Choucair: That would be in that area. I'm not sure exactly where it is but it
would be . . .
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Mr. Taormina: If I could answer that question, Mr. Chairman. Currently, it is
where it shows the utility area in the northwest corner. I'm
assuming that's where it would remain.
Ms. Smiley: Okay.
Mr. Choucair: Did I note that in there?
Mr. Wilshaw: It's not noted on the site plan.
Mr. Choucair: Okay. I'm sorry.
Mr. Long: One more follow-up question. The sandstone that you passed
around, that's going to be replacing the limestone?
Mr. Choucair: That's a composite component. It's like made out of cement, but
it looks like wood.
Mr. Long: But this is what it's going to be replacing right here?
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
Mr. Long: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: And just to make it clear, Nasser, you are describing that it will be
different sizes and slightly different colors to almost give the
appearance of what we've seen in the past with stacked
limestone or other types of material.
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay.
Mr. Choucair: But this material, it's a full body like brick. I don't want to use these
thin one inch and two inch.
Mr. Wilshaw: This is more substantial. Okay.
Mr. Caramagno: Back to the parking again. Sorry. When I'm looking at the plan,
I'm looking for your fill ports for your tanks. Where are they when
you want to fill your underground tanks?
Mr. Choucair: On all gas stations, we ask the jobber when they want to come
in. They come at a certain time when there is no traffic because
in any gas station, there is no spot for these tanks to park. They
just park anywhere they want and they dump their fuel and go in
half an hour or 20 minutes. So in our situation, he's going to be
parking probably where we're putting our parallel parking on
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Schoolcraft. But in any gas station, I can go there at any time,
they just pull in and dump their gas, but not during the day during
the peak time because we request as owner of gas stations that
we don't want you to come during our peak time. We want you to
come early, early in the morning or late, late at night.
Mr. Caramagno: I certainly understand that. There are thousands of gas stations
and they can't fulfill everybody's request all the time. This is not
optimal for parking and filling. Let me ask you. I understand the
big conflict of time. That's pretty clear to me. The handicap
parking, you said you're going to leave it on the east side or you're
going to move it to the west side?
Mr. Choucair: I'm thinking moving it to the west and gain that five feet here on
the side to increase the size of this parking, and this way I won't
be losing one parking from this side, but I would lose about five
feet of landscaping next to the utility room.
Mr. Caramagno: The reason I think that's a good idea, to move the handicap
parking at least to that side, is because you need to have close
access to the building in my opinion. If you're going to lose
parking because a tanker is parked there, that's the person that
doesn't need to be blocked. They need to have access, you know,
if someone's got to walk over here from Schoolcraft Road
parking, then so be it. Or if they got to walk from parking on the
curb part of the landscaping over here, at Schoolcraft and
Farmington, a handicap person might not be able to do that. So I
think it's right to move that spot.
Mr. Choucair: And on the west side, it's near the entrance because the entrance
is shifted to that side. So it would be closer to the entrance.
Mr. Caramagno: Here's something else that I didn't think to talk about at the study
session. How did you decide the size of the building? What
makes the building have to be size that is proposed here?
Mr. Choucair: Okay. My client, the way he does his gas station, he wants a lot
of Gondolas in there. You see these boxes?
Mr. Caramagno: He wants what?
Mr. Choucair: Gondolas. Gondolas are these boxes, the shelving. If he puts 32,
then he is meeting the requirement like 7-11. So if you walk in
there, there is everything. If you go below 32 Gondolas in there,
then you're not giving the customer what he wants.
Mr. Caramagno: What if the customer wants parking? What do we give him then?
I understand what you're saying. Okay.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions from the Commissioners? Hearing none,
is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or
against this item. Seeing no one coming forward, a motion would
be in order.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Long, and unanimously adopted, it was
#08-86-2016 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2016-08-08-09
submitted by N.C. Designers & Contracting, on behalf of
Michigan Fuels, requesting approval of all plans required by
Section 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, in connection with a proposal to renovate the existing
Mobil gas station, including demolition of the existing building and
construction of a new gas station, at 33430 Schoolcraft Road,
located on the northwest corner of Schoolcraft and Farmington
Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 21, be approved subject to
the following conditions:
1. That the Site Plan marked Sheet SP-2, prepared by N.C.
Designers & Contracting Inc., dated July 18, 2016, is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That all on-site parking shall be properly sized and marked,
10 feet by 20 feet in size, without the loss of any landscaping
adjacent to the rights-of-way, including any barrier-free
space(s) as may be required by the State of Michigan, and
two (2) additional spaces shall be provided along
Schoolcraft Road;
3. That this approval is subject to the petitioner being granted
a variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals for deficient
parking and any conditions related thereto;
4. That the Landscape Planting Plan marked Sheet LP-1,
prepared by Nagy Devlin Land Design, dated July 28, 2016,
is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
5. That all disturbed lawn areas including road right-of-way
shall be sodded in lieu of hydro-seeding;
6. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas, and all planted materials
shall be installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection
Department and thereafter permanently maintained in a
healthy condition;
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7. That the Elevation Plans marked Sheets A-2 and A-3,
prepared by N.C. Designers & Contracting Inc., both dated
July 18, 2016, are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
8. That the building's accent bands and rooftop crown molding
shall be fabricated out of a limestone material;
9. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be
constructed out of the same brick used in the construction
of the building or in the event a poured wall is substituted,
the wall's design, texture and color shall match that of the
building. The enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel
construction or durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass.
The trash dumpster area shall be maintained and when not
in use closed at all times;
10. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
11. That any illumination of the pump island canopy shall be
restricted to the undercarriage, and all light fixtures shall be
recessed and made flush with the established ceiling;
provided, however, that this section shall not apply to those
specified signs which are expressly allowed by the district
regulations of the Zoning Ordinance;
12. That all light fixtures shall not exceed twenty feet (20') in
height and shall be aimed and shielded so as to minimize
stray light trespassing across property lines and glaring into
adjacent roadway;
13. No outside storage, placement or display of merchandise
shall be permitted at any time on this site; however, the
foregoing prohibition shall not apply to the display, on the
pump islands only, of oil based products as permitted in
Section 11.03(a)(12) of the Zoning Ordinance;
14. That free air shall be provided at all times this station is open
for business. The free air shall be dispensed at the point of
service without having to enter the station or perform any
extra action in order to obtain the air without charge;
15. That there shall be no vehicle vacuum equipment or outdoor
placement/storage of propane cylinder storage units on the
site;
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16. That the sale of ice shall be restricted to the inside of the
building;
17. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted for
review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
18. That no part of the pump island canopy fascia, with the
exception of signage, shall be illuminated;
19. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the pump island
canopy, building or around the windows;
20. That the issues outlined in the correspondence dated
August 25, 2016, from the Inspection Department shall be
resolved to the satisfaction of the Inspection Department;
21. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and,
22. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Ms. Smiley: Is it still a limestone material, Mr. Taormina? Did he switch to the
other material?
Mr. Wilshaw: This is the beige band that goes through the middle.
Mr. Taormina: Yes, exactly. Mr. Chair, do you want to pause now and get
clarification?
Mr. Wilshaw: Sure.
Mr. Taormina: Nasser, the question is, you had originally specified the the
cornice and the accent band as E.I.F.S., and you indicated at the
study session that it would be a limestone material. Is that still the
plan?
Mr. Choucair: Yes.
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Mr. Taormina: And is it limestone? If we refer to it in the resolution as limestone,
are you okay with that or should it be referred to as some other
type of masonry.
Mr. Choucair: No. Limestone is okay.
Ms. Smiley: Okay.
Mr. Taormina: If the maker of the motion would permit either an addendum to
condition #2 or a separate item altogether that would require the
two spaces along Schoolcraft Road as discussed earlier this
evening. Did you add that?
Ms. Smiley: No. About the two parallel spots? And are we saying something
about moving the handicap one?
Mr. Taormina: No, because I think that's covered under #2. We might just want
to add "without the loss of any landscaping adjacent to the rights-
of-way," but I think clearly it sounded to me that there's
consensus to add the spaces along Schoolcraft.
Ms. Smiley: Absolutely. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Also, it sounds like we should indicate that the spaces are 10 foot
because the plan is showing 9 foot right now.
Mr. Taormina: Correct.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there anything else?
Mr. Caramagno: How about the two bathrooms. Is that clear what was read?
Mr. Taormina: It's usually handled by our Inspection Department. The way that's
typically handled is that any issues identified in the Inspection
Department letter will be addressed to that department's
satisfaction. We didn't add that, but we can.
Mr. Wilshaw: I don't see it in here.
Mr. Taormina: It would include the restrooms and anything else.
Mr. Choucair: He did add about the restrooms. It needs to be outside. That's
what I heard. That's why I mentioned it.
Mr. Wilshaw: I think it would probably be appropriate to have our standard
verbiage that the issues discussed in the Inspection Department
letter, including the bathrooms, be addressed. I think that would
cover it if the maker is okay with that.
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Ms. Smiley: I am fine with that.
Mr. Long: Support.
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2016-08-08-10 BP GAS STATION
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2016-
08-08-10 submitted by 6 & Middlebelt Fuel Center, L.L.C.
requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the
City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in
connection with a proposal to renovate the existing BP gas station
at 17151 Middlebelt Road, located on the northwest corner of
Middlebelt and Six Mile Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 11.
Mr. Taormina: This is another gas facility project. Currently, it is an auto service
and repair station located at the northwest corner of Middlebelt
and Six Mile Roads. This property is approximately 0.60 acre in
size containing 125 feet of frontage on Six Mile by about 205 feet
along Middlebelt Road. The zoning is C-2, General Business, and
is surrounded by a variety of commercial uses. The existing
service station building is generally located in the northwest part
of the site facing Middlebelt Road. This building is one-story in
height, about 2,650 square feet in total size, and the interior of
the existing station includes a small retail area as well two auto
repair service bays. The existing refueling facility includes two
overhead canopies, one which is situated between the building
and Six Mile Road, and the other is between the building and
Middlebelt Road. Altogether, there are six dual-sided fuel pump
islands with the capacity to accommodate 12 vehicles. Presently,
there are four driveways that service this site, two are off Six Mile
and two are off Middlebelt Road. The plan is to remodel and
convert the existing station into a larger convenience store. This
would be done by eliminating the auto repair portion of the current
business. The square footage of the building would remain the
same as it is today. Required setbacks for gas stations are 60
feet from any rights-of-way. In this case, the existing building is
located 77 feet from Six Mile Road and about 76 feet from
Middlebelt Road, so it is in conformance with the ordinance. The
plans include remodeling of the interior as well as the exterior of
the building. The interior of the building would be devoted mostly
to retail display and include a cashier counter, small office, as well
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as restrooms. In terms of the exterior of the building, the north
half of the remodeled building is going to consist mostly of brick
and glass and would contain a shed-style roof including the
fascia. We discussed this at the study session. There are two
main parts to the building. We're talking about the right hand side
or the area that is showing brick. This part of the building is
currently being used as service bays, which are going to be
removed in order to become a larger convenience store. The
north side is the part that contains the brick. On the south side of
the building, it's very similar to the previous design in terms of the
material. Originally, they were showing the hardy-plank material,
but this is going to be changed to the same sandstone material
that was presented in the previous petition, which we have a
sample of here. You can also see how the roof pitch differs on
this. It actually slants from south to north, the highest portion of
which would be about 22 feet, and then if you look at the other
part of the building, the north part, that too has a shed-style roof
which slants from east to west increasing in height the further
west it goes, and that caps out at an overall height of about 16
feet 6 inches. It's a bit of a unique design. That's something that
we don't see too often for these types of buildings. What is also
unique about this design is the canopy itself. It contains a similar
slope styled roof that would be supported by Y-shaped tubular
columns. I'll allow the architect to describe the design. The roof
of the canopy is angled from west to east. It's actually kind of an
opposing angle I believe from the building providing better views
of the building for that purpose. Altogether, all the pumps now are
going to be lined up on the site so instead of having two canopies,
there will be a single, long canopy with the five dual-sided pump
islands with the ability to accommodate 10 vehicles. The canopy
altogether would be about 23 feet in width by 120 feet in length,
similar to the one we previously looked at. The canopy would
comply with the setback requirements. It would be 34 feet from
Six Mile and 29 feet from Middlebelt Road, whereas the
ordinance allows it to be a minimum of 10 feet. This site is
deficient in landscaping. We require 15 percent. They are not
really showing any changes relative to landscaping. It's only 8
percent of the site, something that we discussed at the study
session. In terms of parking, again, we have a deficiency by code.
They're required to have a total of 14 spaces. The site plan only
provides six parking spaces that are located away from the
pumps. The access is probably the biggest change besides the
buildings and the canopies. You're looking at a plan showing only
two driveway entrances, one off Middlebelt, one off Six Mile, to
replace the four that currently exist today. The plan shows what
it could look like upon completion. We consolidate that down to
two driveway approaches, which is something that the city does
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like to see. In this case, we have, again, no information relative
to signage. At this point, I can read the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Yes, please?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated August 11, 2016, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above-referenced petition. We have no
objections to the proposed project at this time. The legal
description submitted with the petition appears to be correct and
should be used in conjunction with this petition. The existing
parcel is assigned the address of 17151 Middlebelt Road. The lot
is currently serviced with public storm and sanitary sewer, as well
as water main. The submitted drawings do not indicate existing
or proposed locations of the service leads, so we are unable to
determine any effects to the existing systems at this time. The
proposed plans do not indicate a proposed drainage system, or
any storm water detention, as required by the Wayne County
Stormwater Ordinance. Since any connections for the storm
sewer from the site would be to a Wayne County owned system,
the owner will need to obtain permits for the proposed storm
sewer connection and detention systems through the Wayne
County Department of Public Service. The owner will also need
to obtain permits from Wayne County for any work within the
Middlebelt Road or Six Mile Road rights-of-way." The letter is
signed by David Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second
letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated August
17, 2016, which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the
site plan submitted in connection with a request to renovate the
BP gas station, including exterior façade remodel of the existing
building and the reconfiguration of the site's layout on property
located at the above referenced address. We have no objections
to this proposal."The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal.
The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated August 23,
2016, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the plans in
connection with the petition. I have no objections to the proposal."
The letter is signed by Brian Leigh, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The
fourth letter is from the Inspection Department, dated August 25,
2016, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the
above-referenced petition has been reviewed. (1) Parking spaces
shall be 10'x 20'and double striped. (2) The barrier free parking
space shall be van accessible. (3) Two restrooms are required.
One female and one male restroom. (4) The Commission and/or
Council may wish to address free air at this site and add the
following statement: That free air shall be provided at all times
while the station is open for business. The free air shall be
dispensed at the point of service without having to enter the
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station or the performance of any extra action in order to obtain
the air without charge. This Department has no further objections
to this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions for the Planning Department. Seeing
none, the petitioner is here. Is there anything else you'd like to
add?
Nasser Choucair, NC Designers and Contracting, 3241 S. Telegraph, Dearborn,
Michigan 48124. Regarding the landscaping, I was looking at the
plan, and I can add more landscaping on the north side next to
the loading zone, and that would increase the landscaping even
in the back of the building. We can increase the landscaping so
we won't have any deficiencies, and I can talk to our landscaping
architect so he can adjust that. Regarding the material on the
building, it's the same as what we're using, the brick and the
sandstone. The only difference here, it's a little bit modern. We're
using more glass and it's a seamless glass with no frame. So it's
going to look like one piece of glass. We're showing more
material, the walls, the glass and the roof material which is going
to be a vertical seam silver color and that would give a nice impact
on the corner. Regarding parking, we can put one pair of parking,
an extra one, on the north side. So, the loading zone, landscaping
and I'll stop at the end of the loading zone. I'll fit one car and then
continue. That would add another parking spot on that side. It
could be for an employee. Other than that, I'll answer any
questions.
Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions for Nasser?
Ms. McCue: I'm going to piggy back on Mr. Caramagno's comment earlier.
Where would the truck for dumping the fuel — where would you
foresee that being if you have all your parking pretty much in one
location except that one side, parallel? I'm just concerned that the
truck could block parking.
Mr. Choucair: Normally, in such a site like this, he comes in from Middlebelt and
as if he's going out from Six Mile, and that would be how he's
going to be parked over there and then he'll dump his fuel.
Ms. McCue: In the corner.
Mr. Choucair: Yes, the corner or up a little bit. He's going to block one of these,
and again, trucks that unload the fuel, they have a time where
there is no traffic. They have to come onsite with no traffic.
Otherwise, they won't accept him coming in at a peak time.
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Ms. McCue: My only concern would just be blocking all the parking, but if that's
not probably going to be an issue, then it's fine.
Mr. Ventura: What is the loading zone for? What is loading there?
Mr. Choucair: It would be for the dumpster enclosure. They come and pick up
the garbage or for the groceries. They come and park over there
and unload the trucks for the groceries for the gas station. That's
why the loading zone is put in there.
Mr. Ventura: There's no loading zone on the site plan for the gas station at
Farmington and Schoolcraft. Why do you need one here?
Mr. Choucair: There is one there. Normally, the city building and safety asks us
to put in one. In this situation, because we have everything
existing, that's why we did not indicate and we don't have much .
Mr. Ventura: I don't see any loading zone on the site plan there.
Mr. Choucair: You're right.
Mr. Ventura: So why do we need one at Six Mile and Mlddlebelt?
Mr. Choucair: It's always better to put one.
Mr. Ventura: I guess I'm suggesting we could use that for some more parking.
Mr. Choucair: That area you cannot because we have a dumpster enclosure
over there in front of the loading zone. So we cannot park over
there.
Mr. Ventura: Does the dumpster enclosure need to stay there?
Mr. Choucair: That's the only good spot that we can put it in.
Mr. Ventura: It's not clear to me what's going on behind the building, the west
side of the building.
Mr. Choucair: If you're thinking putting any parking on this space between, it's
going to be the same because the width, it's not enough. So
you're going to fit two cars. If you move this dumpster to the other
side where other cars are, you're going to lose two cars over
there. It's the same thing. I'd rather leave the space open here
and put a dumpster. Why should I move the dumpster to the
south and take two parking from a nice clean area, a nice right-
of-way of parking? Better than splitting two parking here and four
parking here instead of six.
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Mr. Ventura: I guess it's not clear to me how big the dumpster enclosure
actually is.
Mr. Choucair: Normally, it's like 10 by 10 or 12 by 10.
Mr. Ventura: So we consume a parking space.
Mr. Choucair; And a little bit more. The depth and the width.
Mr. Ventura: I'm trying to get my directions straight - on the southwest corner
of the building that is hatched like a building. What is that?
Mr. Choucair: That's a handicap spot. Handicap, you need eight feet and eight
feet. That's handicap van accessible.
Mr. Ventura: So the hatched area is the unloading area for the handicap.
Mr. Choucair: Yes, that's where the van opens the door and the guy drops his
chair and goes.
Mr. Ventura: Okay. And the dotted line that goes over the handicap space is .
Mr. Choucair: Oh, these are the setbacks. We're just showing that we are within
our setbacks. So the building is in our setbacks.
Mr. Ventura: All of my questions are aimed at the deficiency in parking which
is even greater here.
Mr. Choucair: We always consider that the pumps are the parking that people
park over here and walk.
Mr. Ventura: I guess the thing that's really not clear is what percentage of the
business that's done in the store is not coming from people that
are buying gas. So that's not really a question that's been asked
or answered here. So I don't know if you serve 100 people a day
in the store. What percentage of those people are actually going
there just to use the store?
Mr. Choucair: At one time?
Mr. Ventura: At any time over the course of a business day.
Mr. Choucair: Normally, if someone wants to pump gas, he's going to pump the
gas, probably go inside, get whatever he wants, candy or pop,
and come out and go. That's his parking. One spot on each
island. That's 10 parking under the canopy and six outside the
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canopy. I don't think they would go to a gas station only to buy
something and leave. Plus as a calculation, in any gas station,
rarely do you see more than 15 occupants at one time in a gas
station. It does not exceed 15 occupants.
Mr. Ventura: Okay. Thank you.
Ms. McCue: I'm sorry, not to continue to harp on this, but it seems though that
when we're talking about a deficiency in parking, that to us would
mean that we're not going to have that many people in the store,
as we were saying, but we have a huge loading zone there that's
taking up a good piece of that parking or lot, not parking per se
because I understand the logistics there. I'm not sure if we're not
saying two different things. Does that make sense?
Mr. Choucair: Actually, the loading zone space over there, if you measure the
distance between the building and the boundary, it's not sufficient
for me to put a row of 24 parking from the boundary to the
building. Then the car, when it goes in there, I need another 20
for it to maneuver. So I need a minimum of 40 feet between the
building and the boundary line. So if I don't have that in there,
then I cannot put my parking, even I tried it at 30 degrees. It does
not work because at 30 degrees, I need another 18 and I have to
back up all the way. So when I back up, I have to go one way. I
mean it does not work if I put them at 45 — 30 degree parking. I
need to drive back and go and come behind the building and
come out. And that would be considered as an escape. I mean
they need two lanes. It's a more difficult process than it's
supposed to be. I tried all these options before I bring this one in.
It's a big no for me to put any parking at the loading zone unless
I can put two parking next to each other. Then the dumpster, it's
my problem. I have to move it somewhere else. If I move it to the
other side, then I'm going to lose again another two spots. So it's
the same thing. I know it looks empty. That's why I'm saying that,
you know what, I'm going to put landscaping next to that so I'll
add my landscaping in that area. Maybe I'll move the dumpster a
little bit towards the building and put a wider landscaping belt over
there.And I can add another parking spot parallel to the boundary
line there also.
Ms. Smiley: So the landscaping you're adding is going to be not on Six Mile,
not on Middlebelt, but down that road by the dumpster?
Mr. Choucair: On the side, yes. But I did add a lot of landscaping when I closed
these two approaches. So all that area was not landscaping and
I created, by closing these two areas, landscaping.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. So we must be over the 8 percent now?
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Mr. Taormina: No. We do not include the right-of-way area. By closing those two
driveways, you really don't add to the percentage of the overall
site because we exclude any area within the right-of-way. I think
looking at his plan here, adding the landscaping along the north
side does make sense. We can shift that loading zone a little bit
further to the south, gain some space. I still believe more
landscaping can be added along the west side of the property as
well.
Ms. Smiley: Which is Six Mile, right?
Mr. Taormina: No, that would be behind the building, to the rear of the building.
He can widen that landscape area even where the cars are
parked. He can push those cars closer to the proposed entrance.
He has more than enough room at that point to add a few feet of
landscaping along the west property line. That would be a nice
transition because if you look at the aerial photograph, the office
building to the west, I don't believe there's any landscaping that
separates those two commercial properties. By adding that
landscaping back there, I think would be a nice feature. The same
thing along the north side of the property. I'm not sure there's any
landscaping there either because that driveway is right along the
property line.
Ms. Smiley: As one commissioner, I'd really like to see that.
Mr. Taormina: The additional landscaping is in lieu of maybe some formal
parking. Sometimes it boils down to one or the other. I think, in
this case, like all gas stations, people tend to find a place to park
if all they're going to do is run in the store without buying gas and
just purchase a quick item. They'll either park parallel to the
building or along the sides of the property, somewhere out of the
maneuvering area for the people using the pumps. It just seems
to be a somewhat organic flow of traffic. It might not be ideal, but
it's just how a lot of gas stations operate. People will park as close
to the building as possible, even if there are available spaces
further away.
Ms. Smiley: I like the entrances closed, but I would really like to see more
landscaping. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Long: I have one quick question about the modern canopy. Is there any
concern about heavy rains? Do you put extra large gutters up
there or how do you make sure you don't get such a heavy runoff
from storms?
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Mr. Choucair: These canopies have commercial gutters. It's not like residential
gutters, three inches. These would be six inches and they
accumulate the rain that's going to fall on that canopy.
Mr. Long: Even with that extra slant because it's not going to be going both
ways. It's all going to be running one way.
Mr. Choucair: It would be a special design that would be like you won't even see
the gutter when you look at the canopy. It would be imbedded. So
when you look at the canopy, you're not going to see a gutter
hanging. It's going to be behind the fascia.
Mr. Long: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Caramagno: I'll go back to parking for a minute. I'll agree with more
landscaping somewhere on this property but I've got a real
problem with parking. I really do. When you think about a
handicap spot and two employees, you're taking up three of your
six parking spots. It leaves you three plus whatever is at the fuel
pump. So when we talk about not needing spots, I don't
necessarily understand that because you're not adding all this
convenience store retail space for people gassing up cars. You're
adding that so you can act like a 7-11, like you said earlier. So
people go there and shop, buy their milk, their bread, their
hotdogs, whatever they're going to get there and you're leaving
them three spots to park in. I don't like that at all. I got a problem
with that. When I look at your current site plan, I look to the north
end of the property. You got six or seven parking spots there
currently. Now you're telling us that you can't put anything over
there now. I don't understand that.
Mr. Choucair: Yes, because the canopy, they had two separate canopies and
this space is really wide. They can back up these cars when you
throw a row of cars at 30 degrees. So you can go out, plus as I
said, when you put parking at a certain degree, when you want to
back up, where are you going to? Are you going to go behind the
building? Are you going to back up all the way to the approach
and then pull inside the pump? So you need to provide this. I
mean, when you back up, you will create traffic in there. That's
the whole idea and plus the canopy is changed. It's long. Plus I'm
adding another parallel. So we have six and one, seven parking
now. I'm adding another one on the north side. So where we're
going to create a larger belt of landscaping, I'm going to put one
in front of it, one parking spot over there. That would get us an
extra parking spot. I always can put extra parking, but I don't want
to lose also the landscaping on the corner that we created that I
can put one car over there.
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Mr. Caramagno: I think this property needs improvement as much as anything in
that area, but I don't think it's best to operate here, in my opinion.
Mr. Choucair: I just want to say one more thing. These six parking in the existing
at 30 degree angle, I put them at 90 degree angle at the side
here. So these six in the proposed, when I moved my approach,
I created nice parallel parking. It's more convenient for the
customer to park and go to the gas station. These existing ones
at 30 degrees, I think they're trouble more than a parking if you
look at the existing one, how they had them. That's why we
modified this site plan and we closed some existing approaches
to make it a better design with an existing building and a proposed
new canopy.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Nasser. There are a couple questions that I wanted
to quickly touch on. Because of the type of roof that you're going
to have on this building, the sloped roofs, very modern design,
there's not going to be any mechanicals on the roof?
Mr. Choucair: No. They're going to be in the back area. So the roof is sloped in
the front. The building at the back is going to be shifted about 10
feet or 12 feet, and when the slope goes up, you cannot see the
mechanical. They're going to be screened in the back. So we're
going to have the section on the right hand side that's sloped in
the front. Behind it you're going to have about 10 to 12 feet area
that the mechanicals are going to sit in there. It would be hidden.
So all you see is a silver standup seam roof from this side and
this side.
Mr. Wilshaw: It will be a very clean look. I like that. One of the things we talked
about at our study meeting was the fact that, because you are
looking to close a couple of the approaches, Wayne County may
have to get involved from a stormwater management perspective.
You were going to contact Wayne County to find out about that.
Did you hear back?
Mr. Choucair: Unfortunately, I did not contact them because I figured out no
matter what, if you touch the approaches, you are going to go
through the process. So unfortunately, the customer has to go
through it. So we're going to try as much as we can with Wayne
County. But if they tell us we need to do it, then we need to do it.
We'll have no choice.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. So at least you're aware of that and your customer knows
that.
Mr. Choucair: Yes, and I talked to Mr. Taormina.
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Mr. Wilshaw: I just wanted to make sure we addressed that because that was
something at the study meeting that was talked about. If there
are no other questions for the petitioner, is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against this petition? Seeing
no one coming forward, a motion would be in order.
On a motion by Long, seconded by Smiley, and adopted, it was
#08-87-2016 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2016-08-08-10
submitted by 6 & Middlebelt Fuel Center, L.L.C. requesting
approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with
a proposal to renovate the existing BP gas station at 17151
Middlebelt Road, located on the northwest corner of Middlebelt
and Six Mile Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 11, be
approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Site Plan marked Sheet SP-2, prepared by N.C.
Designers & Contracting Inc., dated July 30, 2016, is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to, except that one additional
parking space shall be added in the northeast corner of the
site;
2. That all on-site parking shall be properly sized and marked,
including any barrier-free space(s) as may be required by
the State of Michigan;
3. That this approval is subject to the petitioner being granted
a variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals for deficient
parking and any conditions related thereto;
4. That the Landscape Planting Plan marked Sheet LP-1,
prepared by Nagy Devlin Land Design, dated August 8,
2016, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to, except
that additional trees shall be provided in the rights-of-way,
the width of the landscaping along the north and the west
sides of the site shall be increased, and that the cobblestone
mulch that is shown shall be replaced with landscape
material at the satisfaction of the Planning Department;
5. That all disturbed lawn areas including road right-of-way
shall be sodded in lieu of hydro-seeding;
6. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas, and all planted materials
shall be installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection
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Department and thereafter permanently maintained in a
healthy condition;
7. That the Elevation Plans marked Sheets A-2 and A-3,
prepared by N.C. Designers & Contracting Inc., both dated
July 30, 2016, are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
8. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be
constructed out of the same brick used in the construction
of the building or in the event a poured wall is substituted,
the wall's design, texture and color shall match that of the
building. The enclosure gates shall be of solid panel steel
construction or durable, long-lasting solid panel fiberglass.
The trash dumpster area shall be maintained and when not
in use closed at all times;
9. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
10. That any illumination of the pump island canopy shall be
restricted to the undercarriage, and all light fixtures shall be
recessed and made flush with the established ceiling;
provided, however, that this section shall not apply to those
specified signs which are expressly allowed by the district
regulations of the Zoning Ordinance;
11. That all light fixtures shall not exceed twenty feet (20') in
height and shall be aimed and shielded so as to minimize
stray light trespassing across property lines and glaring into
adjacent roadway;
12. No outside storage, placement or display of merchandise
shall be permitted at any time on this site; however, the
foregoing prohibition shall not apply to the display, on the
pump islands only, of oil based products as permitted in
Section 11.03(a)(12) of the Zoning Ordinance;
13. That free air shall be provided at all times this station is open
for business. The free air shall be dispensed at the point of
service without having to enter the station or perform any
extra action in order to obtain the air without charge;
14. That there shall be no vehicle vacuum equipment or outdoor
placement/storage of propane cylinder storage units on the
site;
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15. That the sale of ice shall be restricted to the inside of the
building;
16. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted for
review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
17. That no part of the pump island canopy fascia, with the
exception of signage, shall be illuminated;
18. That no LED lightband or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the pump island
canopy, building or around the windows;
19. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and,
20. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Ms. Smiley: Are we going to say something about the landscaping on the west
side and he offered another parking space. And there was
supposed to be landscaping on the north side.
Mr. Taormina: I would recommend modifying Condition #4 by adding the
language at the end of that condition to read something to the
effect, except that the width of the landscaping along the north
and the west sides of the site shall be increased and that the
cobblestone mulch that is shown shall be replaced with
landscape material to the satisfaction of the Planning
Department. So this is the landscape plan and the areas we're
talking about are behind the building and on the north of the
building. If you look carefully at the notes, it indicates a
cobblestone mulch. The landscape designer has done that
probably because that area is so narrow and not much will survive
other than just some type of hardscape material. So if we widen
that, there's no reason we can't put proper landscaping in those
two areas to help buffer this site from the adjoining sites. I'd also
like to see some trees in the right-of-way along Middlebelt and
Six Mile Roads. We can work with the landscape architect to have
those items added.
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Mr. Long: The maker of the motion is okay with that.
Ms. Smiley: Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw: The maker and second agree with that. That also includes the
additional parking space.
Mr. Long: And one additional parking space to the northeast corner of the
property, a parallel spot as indicated by the petitioner.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Please call the role.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Long, Smiley, McCue, Priddy, Ventura, Wilshaw
NAYS: Caramagno
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,092nd Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of
the Minutes of the 1,092nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting
held on July 26, 2016.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Caramagno, and adopted, it was
#08-88-2016 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,092nd Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on July 26,
2016, are hereby approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Smiley, Caramagno, Long, McCue, Ventura,
Wilshaw
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Priddy
ABSENT: None
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Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,093rd Regular
Meeting held on August 30, 2016, was adjourned at :43 p.m.
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CITY )ZANNING COMMISSION
Sam Caramagno, Secretary
ATTEST:
Ian Wilshaw, Chairman