HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2019-04-23MINUTES OF THE 1,1415t PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 1,141st Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000
Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Ian Wilshaw, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: David Bongero Sam Caramagno Glen Long
Betsy McCue Carol Smiley Peter Ventura
Ian Wilshaw
Members absent: None
Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, was also present.
Chairman Wilshaw informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City
Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a
petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective
seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the
professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The staff
has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions, which
the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the
proceedings tonight.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2019-03-02-03 PLAYERS GOLF
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2019-
03-02-03 submitted by Players Golf & Event Center South
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(h) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to utilize
a Class C liquor license (sale of beer, wine and spirits for
consumption on the premises) in connection with the operation of
an indoor golf and Millionaire Party (Charity gaming) facility at
36115 Plymouth Road, located on the south side of Plymouth
Road between Yale Avenue and Levan Road in the Northeast
of Section 32.
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Mr. Taormina: This is a waiver use petition requesting to utilize a Class C liquor
license which would allow for the sale of beer, wine, and other
spirits for consumption on the premises. This would be in
connection with the operation of an indoor golf, and millionaire
party charity gaming facility. This site is on the south side of the
Plymouth Road between Yale and Levan Road. It is the site of
the LA Plaza shopping center. The zoning on the site is C-2
(General Business). The site is roughly five acres in size, with
about 480 feet of frontage along Plymouth Road with a depth of
380 feet. All together, this L-shaped shopping center is about
36,350 square feet in gross floor area. Most of the plazas off-
street parking, as you can see with the aerial photograph, is
located in the front yard between the building and Plymouth
Road. The indoor recreational activities that are part of this
petition are treated as a permitted use, pursuant to Section 11.02.
A waiver use is needed for Players Golf and Event Center to
operate the Class C Liquor license. You will recall in September
2018, the same petitioner received waiver use approval to
operate a Class C license in connection with a similar facility that
is located at the Philmar plaza, which is on the south side of Eight
Mile, just west of Farmington Road. At this location, Players
South, would occupy the unit that is located at the corner of the
shopping center. This unit is about 5,400 square feet in total size.
The floor plan shows two golf simulator bays. There will be a
practice putting green, a banquet/event area, as well as a bar,
restrooms, offices, storage, and utility room. The hours as
indicated on the application would be between 11.00am and
1:00am. As with the other location, the golf simulators would be
rented on an hourly basis. Players South would also host
Millionaire parties, which are sanctioned and licensed by the
Michigan Gaming Control Board. The Ordinance has a special
requirement that specifies that a Class C license cannot be
located any closer than 1,000 feet from any such other licensed
business. Immediately to the east of this site is the former Kickers
All --American Grille, which is also approved to operate a Class C
liquor license. And even though Kickers is closed and the license
is in escrow, efforts are currently underway to reactivate the
license and for the restaurant to reopen under a new name. That
license is within that 1,000-foot separation. Additionally, there is
a license located at the northwest corner of Levan and Plymouth
Road which is operated by the Time Out Bar and Grill. The
distance between the two would be about 370 feet. Thus the
1,000 foot separation requirement is going to have to be waived
by City Council, and because Players Golf and Event Center
South would not be used primarily as a dining facility or
restaurant, the approval by Council to waive this requirement is
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going to require a separate resolution in which 213 of the
members concur. There would be no external modifications to
the building. They are allowed one wall sign based on one square
foot of area for each one foot of store frontage. Parking for the
use is adequate at this location. With that, Mr. Chairman, I can read
out the departmental correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Yes, please.
Mr. Taormina: There are six items of correspondence. The first item is from the
Engineering Division, dated March 28, 2019, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced waiver use petition.
We have no objections to the proposed project at this time. The
existing parcel is assigned the range of addresses of #36083 thru
#36175 Plymouth Road, with the address of #36163 Plymouth
Road being assigned to the overall parcel. The legal description
provided with the petition appears to be correct and should be
used with the subject petition. The existing building is currently
serviced by public sanitary, storm and water main. The
information submitted does not indicate any new connections to
the existing utility services, so it appears that there will not be any
additional impacts to the existing systems at this time. Should
alterations to the existing services be required, the owner will
need to provide plans to this Department to determine if permits
will be required. Should the owner do any work within the
Plymouth Road right -of --way, they will need to contact the
Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) for any permits
that may be required."" The letter is signed by David W. Lear,
P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is from the
Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated April 4, 2019, which reads
as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in
connection with a request for a waiver use approval to utilize a
Class C liquor license in connection with the operation of an
indoor golf facility on property located at the above referenced
address. We have no objections to this proposal." The letter is
signed by Keith Bo, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the
Division of Police, dated April 10, 2019, which reads as follows:
"I have reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. I have
no objections to the proposal."The letter is signed by Brian Leigh,
Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Finance
Department, dated March 28, 2019, which reads as follows: "1
have reviewed the addresses connected with the above noted
petition. As there are no outstanding amounts receivable, general
or water and sewer, 1 have no objections to the proposal." The
letter is signed by Coline Coleman, Chief Accountant. The fifth
letter is from the Treasurer's Department, dated April 16, 2019,
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which reads as follows: "in accordance with your request, the
Treasurer's Office has reviewed the address connected with the
above noted petition. At this time, there are no outstanding
amounts receivable for taxes. Therefore, I have no objections to
the proposal." The letter is signed by Lynda Scheel, Treasurer.
Additionally there is another letter from the Division of Police,
dated April 12, 2019, which reads as follows: "We reviewed the
plans submitted by Players Golf & Event Center South requesting
waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03 (h) of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to utilize a Class C
liquor license (sale of beer, wine and spirits for consumption on
premises) in connection with the operation of an indoor golf
facility at 36115 Plymouth Road, located on the south side of
Plymouth between Yale Avenue and Levan Road in the northeast
quarter of Section 32. After conferring with the Chief of Police,
we have identified the following issues for consideration. Kicker's
American Grill, located at 36071 Plymouth Road, is immediately
adjacent to the proposed site and currently has a Class C liquor
license pending with the Michigan Liquor Control Commission.
The Time Out Bar & Grill, located at 36480 Plymouth Road, which
holds an active Class C liquor license, is well within the one
thousand (1,000) foot separation requirement distance of the
proposed site. Also, we have concerns with the close proximity to
the residential environment directly south of the proposed site.
We ask that City Council give significant consideration for
approval or denial of this waiver use request. "The letter is signed
by Jeffrey Ronayne, on behalf of the Chief of Police. Jeff is with
the Special Services Bureau.
Mr. Wilshaw: Are there any questions of the Planning Director?
Ms. Smiley: Regarding that letter from the Police, their main concern is that it
is close to a couple other bars? We haven't had any trouble or
any incidents or problems at the other site? Any correspondence
regarding any of that?
Mr. Taormina 1 am not aware of any police matters involving either of the two
properties that were referenced if that is what you are asking?
There are two issues: the proximity to the other licensed
establishments and as well as the proximity to the residential
neighborhood to the south.
Ms. Smiley: Ok, thank you.
Mr. Bongero: Did either Kickers or Time Out have to get a variance for the 1000
feet?
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Mr. Taormina Kickers goes back far enough that I cannot remember. Time Out
Bar and Grill secured its license since I have been here and that
rule has not changed. So I can only assume that when Time Out
obtained its license that it had to be waived by Council because
of the distance between them and Kickers, yes.
Mr. Bongero: Ok.
Mr. Wilshaw: Any other questions? Our petitioner is here this evening. We will
need your name and address for the record please.
Mark Skrelja, Players Golf & Event Center South, 36115 Plymouth, Livonia, MI
48150, we did this around eight to nine months ago at the north
end of Livonia and had another opportunity to open up another
one. I guess it is getting labeled more for the millionaire parties,
which we didn't want it labeled that way, but we are doing
millionaire parties in there four days a week. This location on
Plymouth we have connected with a comedian that does charity
comic nights where he will get with non- profit organizations and
they will sell 75 tickets and he gets half. They rent the room
from us and then the charity gets half of the sales of the tickets.
We are trying to do that. This comedian has a pretty good
following, I guess. It would be something that would work out for
us for the days that we aren't doing the millionaire parties. A lot
of the millionaire parties that we have done and are doing, oddly
enough, the firefighters that are booked with us, the elementary
schools, the booster clubs at the high schools, so it's not
altogether a bad thing. We were a little leery of partnering up
with them in the beginning, but it's been great for us. Hence, we
are trying to take advantage of another opportunity in Livonia.
We were looking at a bunch of different properties but we
wanted to stay in Livonia, and we wanted to stay a decent
amount away from the other location, but close enough ... we
have been booked steady with the golf and we only have two
simulator bays over there so having two more, five miles away,
might work to our benefit.
Mr. Wilshaw: Any questions for our petitioner?
Mr. Ventura: Can you give us an idea of the breakdown between the
millionaire parties and the golf?
Skrelja: At our current location we are mandated by the state that we are
only allowed to have a charity in there only four days a week.
For golf, in the winter we are open seven days a week. As the
summer approaches, we are on summer hours where our golf is
closed on Monday's and Tuesday's, but we still offer golf every
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other day. The liquor portion of our business, believe it or not, is
probably about 85% geared toward the golfers. The golfers are
the ones that want to come in and have a pitcher of beer when
they are there for three hours playing golf. People don't believe
it, but most of our sales are beer. It is not a destination, per se,
like Time Out Bar where somebody is going to come in and just
drink. We did our research with our first one. People who have
indoor facilities, all of them have liquor licenses where they can
offer a beer to the golfers. That is what we researched and that
is what we followed. Selling beers to the golfers is what is going
to strive our golf a bit more, being able to offer....
Ms. McCue: Being able to rent it out on Super Bowl Sunday.
Skrelja: We rented it to a really big party for Super Bowl Sunday. They
rented the whole place. All the poker stuff comes out. People
rented it out for a twelve -year -old birthday party, the golf
simulators. We have done more than just the millionaire parties,
but honestly the millionaire parties are great because it helps us
with overhead and pay the rent. It's a good thing. We haven't
had any incidents. The police have never been called there
We haven't had any disturbances. Our Farmington and Eight
location, we are right next door to Lim Star Chinese Food and
we allow them to bring in carry-out's. They can eat in there.
We plan on doing the same with the Coney Island that is on the
South side. About three doors down from us there is a coney
island that we would allow.... actually we already spoke with
Vito.
Mr. Ventura: Is the same people that operate your charity events in your
north location going to operate them in the south location?
Skrelja: Yes. Actually tonight is the supplier.....we deal directly with the
charities but the supplier that the charities deal with is the same
supplier that we use at the Eight Mile location. They are moving
their location at Wintergarden and tonight is the last night for the
Wintergarden location. That is at Seven Mile and Farmington.
They are closing that one down and they are going to use our
new facility for the charity.
Ms. Smiley: Mr. Ventura asked the questions. I am all set. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Any other questions for our petitioner?
Mr. Bongero: In the event that you get this approved and get the license, are
you anticipating hiring staff... bartenders, other staff?
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Skrelja: Oh yeah. We have hired at our other location, which is about
2000 square feet smaller, we have hired almost 10 people. We
have hired people on the golf side, servers, bartenders. We
have a golf manager that is a golf professional. He works at
Western Country Club as a golf pro. He is probably going to run
both of the golf sides for us, as far as advertising and golf
leagues. We do have golf leagues in the winter at the north
location and plan on doing the exact same thing at the south
location.
Mr. Wilshaw: Any other questions?
Mr. Caramagno: What are your hours?
Skrelja: Our hours will be the same as the other location, so they will be
from 11:00am to 1:00am. Those hours will change during the
golf season. We will probably close two days a week. Right
now, at the other location we are closed on Monday's and
Tuesday's. Those seem to be the slower days. We have
groupons out and people are still buying groupons.
Mr. Caramagno: Your open seven days a week to one o'clock in the morning?
Skrelja: No, we are closed on Monday and Tuesday completely. Then
Wednesday through Sunday we are open from 11:00am to
1:00am. Sundays we close at 9:00pm. Those hours will
change in the winter, we are going to be open longer because
the demand for golf is a lot higher.
Mr. Caramagno: When you say longer, earlier in the day not later at night?
Skrelja: No, we will open at gam as opposed to 11 am.
Mr. Caramagno: 1 don't know if it was someone on this panel or not, but they had
mentioned that they came by your place on Eight Mile and there
were cigarette butts and all kinds of things thrown all over the
floor as people go out for a breaks and they throw them out on
the sidewalks and in the parking lot. What do you have in place
to clean that up? I think someone here may have said that.
Skrelja: I don't know. Right now, we have the staff there to clean it up
but we also have sand ashtrays outside for people to put their
cigarette butts out. I didn't know it was a problem. I go in there
almost every day. I didn't see them if they were there. There
are ashtrays outside because obviously people smoke, and they
have to go outside. So, we do have ashtrays outside to help
with that. The only other thing is that the manager goes out
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there and cleans it up. We put trash cans out there because the
shopping center doesn't supply trash cans on the north side.
The south location, they actually supply trash cans. They have
a maintenance guy that comes around and empties the trash
cans in the parking lot and things like that. The north location
does not so we kind of do that on our own.
Mr. Caramagno: The location on Plymouth Road.....the people smoke and go
outside and talk and take a break to get fresh air. Is it only on
the front side of the building that they do that? Can they do that
in the alley behind?
Skrelja: They can't do that behind, only in the front. Actually, at our
other place we have a security system that an alarm activates if
the back door is opened.
Mr. Caramagno: Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw:: Any other questions for our petitioner? Mr. Skrelja, just a follow
up question. I didn't know if I heard you correctly while
answering Mr. Ventura's question about the percentage of your
sales that are actually golf vs the millionaire parties. Do you
have a general idea of the figure?
Skrelja: For the alcohol sales?
Mr. Wilshaw: Just general sales between the golf and the millionaire parties.
Skrelja: We are capped out at what we can charge charities by the
Gaming Commission. We can only charge charities $240 a day.
If you break it down into percentages that way, it is 75/25
compared to ....maybe even higher on the golf end because we
charge after 3pm $45 per hour to play golf. As far as liquor
sales, we thought we would do a lot better with the guys playing
charity poker, but we were surprised that most of the sales
come from the golf side. Seems like those guys are zoned into
playing poker. They may have a beer before but the golf guys,
there are six guys and they have three or four pitchers of beer
between six guys over three hours. —so sales are much better
on the golf end for us.
Mr. Wilshaw:; Typically, how long do your guests stay when they either come
to play golf or poker?
Skrelja: It varies. If it is a big group, it depends. If it is a group of twelve
guys that rent both bays and they stay five or six hours ....the
poker players, I am not sure. I come and go throughout the day
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and I may see a guy there at 1 pm and I come back at 8pm and
he might still be there playing poker. Sometimes there is a state
mandate where they have to stop and not allowed to play from
seven to eight or something. The guys will leave and not come
back, and then new guys come at 8 or whatever. There are a
lot of rules and regulations that the charities have to deal with as
far as they are only allowed to sell so many chips. Sometimes
guys will hunker down at a table for 10 hours, but the golf guys
depend .... one guy comes in with a groupon and plays two hours
everyday by himself. The big groups, like I said, rent both bays
and they stay for six hours.
Mr. Wilshaw:: If there are no other questions from the Commission I think we
can go to the audience. Is there anyone in the audience that
wishes to speak either for or against this item? I don't see
anyone coming forward, so with that I will close the public
hearing and I will give you another opportunity to speak.
Skrelja: That's it.
Mr. Wilshaw:: With that a motion will be in order.
On a motion by Ventura, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was
#04-34-2019 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
by the City Planning Commission on April 23, 2019, on Petition
2019-03-02-03 submitted by Players Golf & Event Center South
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(h) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to utilize
a Class C liquor license (sale of beer, wine and spirits for
consumption on the premises) in connection with the operation of
an indoor golf and Millionaire Party (Charity gaming) facility at
36115 Plymouth Road, located on the south side of Plymouth
Road between Yale Avenue and Levan Road in the Northeast Y
of Section 32, which property is zoned C-2, the Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 2019-03-02-03 be approved subject to the following
conditions:
That the use of a Class C liquor license at this location is
subject to City Council waiving the 1,000-foot separation
requirement from existing Class C-licensed businesses per
Sections 10.030)(2) and 19.06(1) of Zoning Ordinance No.
543, as amended;
2. That the subject site has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed Class C license;
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3. That the proposed use of a Class C license is compatible to
and in harmony with the surrounding uses in the area, and
4. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a permit is obtained, this approval
shall be null and void at the expiration of said period.
FURTHER, the Planning Commission recommends the approval
of a Conditional Agreement limiting this waiver use to this user
only, with the provision to extend this waiver use approval to a
new user only upon approval of the new user by the City Council;
and
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Wlshaw: Is there any discussion?
Skrelja: if you guys go and look at our reviews for our north location, we
have all kinds of reviews on there. They are mainly about the
golf side. What we have come to find out is that the charities
have a following of these guys that support their charities and
play. They don't do any sort of reviews or anything, but we have
had a lot of great feedback for our golf portion. You can Google
it and check out the reviews.
Mr. Wilshaw: It is always good to see a successful business. Thank you. With
that we will go on to our miscellaneous section of our agenda,
item #2.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2019-04-GB-01 PLYMOUTH WOODS
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2019-
04-GB-01 submitted by Plymouth Woods Apartments, LLC
requesting approval to substitute a greenbelt for the protective
wall as outlined in Section 18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance for the
apartment complex at 38001 Plymouth Road, located on the
south side of Plymouth Road between Newburgh and Eckles
Roads in the Southwest'/4 of Section 30.
Mr. Taormina: This is a request to substitute a greenbelt for a required protective
wall. In this case, it involves the Plymouth Woods Apartments on
the south side of Plymouth Road between Newburgh and Eckles
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Road. Plymouth Woods, as you can see from the zoning map, is
zoned R-8 (Multi -family residential). This development was
constructed in 1988 and it consists of approximately 9 buildings
and 156 apartment units. The zoning ordinance stipulates that
wherever a multi -family housing borders single-family housing a
protective wall is required along the boundary lines that separate
those uses, and that wall must be between five and seven feet in
height. In the case of Plymouth Woods, single-family zoning
abuts the site in three locations. To the east is the Heart
Subdivision, zoned R-2 and to the west is Adams Court Site
Condominiums zoned R-1. As you can see near the middle of
the sites frontage along Plymouth Road there is a single-family
residential home at 38619 Plymouth Road. It is zoned RUF and
the complex surrounds this site on three sides. Both of the
residential districts to the east and west are separated from the
apartments with a five-foot high wall. However, there is no wall
surrounding the property at 38619 Plymouth Road. In 1988,
following the approval of the site plan for the development, the
Zoning Board of Appeals granted a temporary variance to the
owners of the apartment complex to forgo the construction of that
protective wall where the site abuts the single-family residential
home. The variance was good for a period of three years. Along
the west side of the property there is an apartment building. It is
the rear of the apartment building that abuts the side yard of this
residential property. The distance between the structures is
about 90 feet. The same thing exists along the south side, where
the distance at the closest point between the existing home and
the apartment buildings is about 120 feet. On the east side,
where the garage to the house is located, it abuts the main
entrance drive going in to the complex from Plymouth Road. The
distance from the garage and that drive is about 55 feet. Rather
than seeking a continuous extension of the variance from the
Zoning Board of Appeals, or approvals by the homeowner, the
owners of the apartment complex are now requesting that the
existing greenbelt that exists between the properties, be
permanently substituted for the protective wall. The ordinance
requires that the greenbelt has to be at least 10 feet in width. This
is met. On all three sides the greenbelt on the apartment complex
property is more that 10 feet in width along the west side. The
boundary is about 325 feet in length and is about 150 feet in
length along the eastern boundary and 300 feet along the
southern boundary. There are several plant materials located
here: junipers, pine trees, maple trees, burning bushes, as well
as Japanese ewes. The greenbelt here is also fully irrigated. It
is out understanding that the owner of the property is also
supportive of the greenbelt substitution. With that Mr. Chairman,
I would be happy to read out the correspondence.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Yes please.
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated April 8, 2019, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above referenced petition. We have no
objections to the proposed project at this time. The existing parcel
is assigned the address of #38001 Plymouth Road for the overall
parcel, with the addresses of #11470 - #11706 Plymouth Woods
Drive assigned to the individual units within the condominium
property. The existing building is currently serviced by public
sanitary, storm and water main. The information submitted does
not indicate any new connections to the existing utility services,
so it appears that there will not be any additional impacts to the
existing systems at this time. Should alterations to the existing
services be required, the owner will need to provide plans to this
Department to determine if permits will be required. Should the
owner do any work within the Plymouth Road right -of --way, they
will need to contact the Wayne County Department of Public
Services for any permits that may be required." The letter is
signed by David Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second
letter is from the Treasurer's Department, dated April 16, 2019,
which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the
Treasurer's Office has reviewed the address connected with the
above noted petition. At this time, there are no outstanding
amounts receivable for taxes. Therefore, 1 have no objections to
the proposal." The letter is signed by Lynda Scheel, Treasurer.
The third letter is from the Finance Department, dated April 9,
2019, which reads as follows: "1 have reviewed the addresses
connected with the above noted petition. As there are no
outstanding amounts receivable, general or water and sewer, 1
have no objections to the proposal."The letter is signed by Coline
Coleman, Chief Accountant. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: Do we have any questions for our planning staff? I don't see any.
The petitioner's representative is here. Good evening sir.
Steve Perlman, 21 East Long Lake, Bloomfield Hills, MI, we actually built the
property back in the late 80's and have owned it since.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Perlman. Is there anything else you would like to
add from what you have already heard?
Perlman: Mark already covered it. We have had this, like he said, and have
gotten variances every time. We recently just got another one
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because we refinanced the property, so we just came to the
conclusion that instead of doing this every four to five years, we
just want to make this permanent. The plantings we have there,
as Mark pointed out, have greater depth than what is required,
plus it is very mature plantings since it has been there for close
to 30 years. It is maintained, so I think that is why the homeowner
always signed off. I think to him it is even more attractive and
beneficial than a wall.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Perlman. Do we have any questions for the
petitioner? I don't see any. Anyone in the audience wishing to
speak for or against this item? No one coming forward. Thank
you, Mr. Perlman for coming. We will go to the commission and
look for a motion.
On a motion by McCue, seconded by Long, and unanimously adopted, it was
#04-35-2019 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2019-04-GB-01
submitted by Plymouth Woods Apartments, LLC requesting
approval to substitute a greenbelt for the protective wall as
outlined in Section 18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance for the
apartment complex at 38001 Plymouth Road, located on the
south side of Plymouth Road between Newburgh and Eckles
Roads in the Southwest'/4 of Section 30, be approved subject to
the following conditions:
1. That the landscaped greenbelts along the three (3) property
lines that separate the apartment complex from the
residential home at 38619 Plymouth Road, as shown in the
packet received by the Planning Commission on April 3,
2019, is hereby accepted and shall be substituted for the
protective wall required by Section 18.45 of the Zoning
Ordinance;
2. That the Planning and Inspection Departments shall
conduct an on -site inspection of the greenbelts to determine
what plant materials are dead or dying and require
immediate replacement. All planted materials shall be
installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection Department and
thereafter permanently maintained in a healthy condition;
and
3. That any change of circumstances in the area containing the
greenbelts resulting in a diminution of the greenbelt's
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effectiveness as a protective barrier, the owner of the
property shall be required to submit such changes to the
Planning Commission for their review and approval or
immediately construct the protective wall pursuant to
Section 18.45.
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2019-03-02-02 LEO SOAVE BUILDING
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2019-
03-02-02 submitted by Leo Soave Building Inc. requesting
special waiver use approval pursuant to Sections 20.01 and
20.02A of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, to develop a Planned Residential Development under
the Single -Family Clustering option (Capri Court), consisting of
seventeen (17) site condominium lots, on properties at 20209,
20219, 20225, 20235 and 20307 Farmington Road, located on
the west side of Farmington Road between Norfolk Avenue and
Eight Mile Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 4.
Mr. Wilshaw: This item was tabled at our last meeting. Is there a motion to
remove this item from the table?
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by McCue, and unanimously adopted, it was
#04-36-2019 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
by the City Planning Commission on April 9, 2019, on Petition
2019-03-02-02 submitted by Leo Soave Building Inc. requesting
special waiver use approval pursuant to Sections 20.01 and
20.02A of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as
amended, to develop a Planned Residential Development under
the Single -Family Clustering option (Capri Court), consisting of
seventeen (17) site condominium lots, on properties at 20209,
20219, 20225, 20235 and 20307 Farmington Road, located on
the west side of Farmington Road between Norfolk Avenue and
Eight Mile Road in the Northeast '/ of Section 4, the Planning
Commission does hereby remove this item from the table.
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Taormina, do we have any updates from our previous
meeting?
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Mr. Taormina: Yes, we do. I'm going to briefly describe the changes on the plan
from the previous submittal. As was noted in the description of
the item, it was originally for 17 site condominium lots plus one
acreage parcel. Following the study meeting last week, the
applicant made the decision to remove one of the site
condominium lots. The lot was removed from the north side of the
proposed street, reducing the number of site condo lots by one.
So now there would be a total of 17 homesites, including 16 site
condominium lots and one acreage parcel. I'll note that the plan
is mislabeled. It still shows Lot 17 in the southeast corner. That
should say Lot 16. The effect of the change was to reduce one lot
which increases the widths of several of the lots located on the
north side of the road. Lots 2 through 9 which were previously
shown being 50 feet in width will now be 58 feet in width. The
corner lot, which is Lot 1 on the plan, would remain at 70 feet in
width and the other in the northwest corner, Lot 10 as identified
on the plan, was reduced from 80 feet to 66 feet. Really, all other
aspects of the plan remain unchanged other than the elimination
of that lot and the increase in the widths of the other lots.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Taormina. We don't have any new
correspondence. Do we have any questions of the Planning
Director? Hearing no questions, Mr. Baki is here representing the
petitioner.
Sam Baki, 38901 Plymouth Road, Livonia, Michigan 48150. Good evening. As Mr.
Taormina mentioned, after all the meetings we had with the
Commission, the big boss decided to agree with some of the
concerns and do the modification. That was his call. As Mr.
Taormina just mentioned, now we're down to 17 total. The
smallest lots are 58 feet wide instead, by 120 still. Both lots on
the east, the out lot and first lot are 70, then you have the 68, and
the south side is still 70 all the way across. As mentioned too at
the meeting if guys recall, like with what Mr. Soave said, the out
lot is going to be part of the Association, and it's not going to face
Farmington Road. It is going to face the new street.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. I appreciate your update, Mr. Baki. Do we have any
questions for our petitioner?
Ms. Smiley: Not really a question, more of a thank you very much. I personally
really appreciate how much better that looks to me.
Mr. Baki: I understand. Thanks for the assistance.
Ms. Smiley: How nice of you to put it that way.
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Mr. Baki: Well, listen. I've been doing this for almost 30 years. A lot of you
guys know that. And we have done that between ... I've had a
development that was 100 percent changed by the Council at the
last minute, the Navin Oaks Condominiums, because it was a
straight street, and Mr. Taylor says, hey, why don't you do it this
way? No problem. It's just a modification. We just have to listen.
Ms. Smiley: And this is a much nicer looking neighborhood to me, and I
appreciate that fast lot being a part of the subdivision.
Mr. Baki: Yes, definitely.
Ms. Smiley: Thank you.
Mr. Bongero: Sam, I just wanted to say it was impressive. Leo brought out the
whole team last week, engineers, everybody, and put
everybody's fears to rest and assured everybody and then you
guys have totally tried to accommodate every request. I think it
looks really good.
Mr. Baki: Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Normally, we don't have audience communication for pending
items. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak on
this item? Are there any objections?
Ms. Smiley: No objection from me.
Todd Salo, 33524 Norfolk, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 just want to echo my thanks
to Mr. Soave. I appreciate his flexibility and offer my thank you to
the Commission for your feedback and input from the meeting
two weeks ago. Obviously, I think it's an improved plan and would
ask for your support.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Salo. If there are no more questions or comments,
will look for a motion.
On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Bongero, and unanimously adopted, it was
#04-37-2019 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
by the City Planning Commission on April 9, 2019 and April 23,
2019, on Petition 2019-03-02-02 submitted by Leo Soave
Building Inc. requesting special waiver use approval pursuant to
Sections 20.01 and 20.02A of the City of Livonia Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, to develop a Planned Residential
Development under the Single -Family Clustering option (Capri
Court), consisting of sixteen (16) site condominium lots, on
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properties at 20209, 20219, 20225, 20235 and 20307 Farmington
Road, located on the west side of Farmington Road between
Norfolk Avenue and Eight Mile Road in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 4, which property is zoned RUF and is in the process of
being rezoned to R-1, the Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2019-03-02-02 be
approved subject to the following conditions:
That the Master Deed and bylaws complies with the
requirements of Article XX, Section 20.01-20.06 of Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended, and the Subdivision Control
Ordinance, Title 16, Chapter 16.04-16.40 of the Livonia
Code of Ordinances, subject to the following modifications
and exceptions:
o that the first floor of each condominium unit shall be brick
or stone on all four (4) sides and the total amount of brick
or stone on each two-story unit shall not be less than
65% and not less than 80% on one-story dwellings;
o that the minimum floor area for each dwelling shall not
be less than 1,300 square feet;
o that all exterior chimneys shall be brick;
2. That the Preliminary Site & Utilities Plan identified as
Drawing No. C-02, prepared by National Consultants and
Engineering L.L.C., as received by the Planning
Commission on April 17, 2019, is hereby approved and shall
be adhered to;
3. That the Landscape Planting Plan and Landscape Notes
and Details identified as LP-1 and LP--2, respectively, both
dated February 28, 2019, prepared by Nagy Devlin Land
Design, are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
4. That streetlights and sidewalks shall be installed throughout
the development to the satisfaction of the Engineering
Department;
5. In the event of a conflict between the provisions set forth in
the Master Deed and bylaws and the requirements set forth
in the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance No.` 543, as
amended, the Zoning Ordinance requirements shall prevail,
and the petitioner shall comply with the Zoning Ordinance
requirements;
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6. That the petitioner shall include language in the Master
Deed and bylaws or a separate recordable instrument
wherein the condominium association shall reimburse the
City of Livonia for any maintenance or repair costs incurred
for the storm water detentionlretention and outlet facilities;
7. That only a conforming entrance marker is approved with
this petition, and any additional signage shall be separately
submitted for review and approval by the Zoning Board of
Appeals;
8. That the petitioner shall secure the necessary storm water
management permits from the City of Livonia Engineering
Division;
9. That all required cash deposits, certified checks, irrevocable
bank letters of credit and/or surety bonds which shall be
established by the City Engineer pursuant to Article XVIII of
Ordinance No. 543, Section 18.66 of the ordinance, shall be
deposited with the City prior to the issuance of engineering
permits for this site condominium development; and
10. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by
City Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Taormina: If we could just correct the very first part of the motion indicating
that it is 16 site condominium units. Those are the units actually
described as part of the site condominium. And then also related
to Condition 1, the first bullet point, we indicate the 80 percent
requirement for brick that would apply to the ranches. We forgot
to add the 65 percent that would apply to two -stories.
Ms. Smiley: So it's 16 even though he's including that other one?
Mr. Wilshaw: It will be included as part of the Condominium Association, but it
is a separate lot.
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Mr. Taormina: Correct.
Mr. Wilshaw: Ms. Smiley, are you okay with that? Mr. Bongero, are you okay
with that?
Ms. Smiley: Yes.
Mr, Bongero: Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Taormina, is the date correct for the amended plan of April
17?
Mr. Taormina: That is correct.
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,140TH Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of
the Minutes of the 1,140th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting
held on April 9, 2019.
On a motion by Long, seconded by McCue, and unanimously adopted, it was
#04-38-2019 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,140th Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on April 9,
2019, are hereby approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Long, McCue,
Wilshaw
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
Ventura
Bongero, Smiley, Caramagno,
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
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On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,141st Public
Hearings and Regular Meeting held on April 23, 2019, was Aourned at 7:50 pmi.
ATTEST
Ian Wilshaw, Chairman
Siam CaNpagno, Sec