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CITY OF LIVONIA – CITY COUNCIL
MINUTES OF STUDY MEETING HELD JULY 8, 2019
Meeting was called to order at 8:06 p.m. by President Laura Toy. Present: Jim
Jolly, Brandon Kritzman (arrived 8:55 p.m.), Scott Bahr, Cathy White, Kathleen McIntyre,
Brian Meakin and Laura Toy. Absent: None.
Elected and appointed officials present: Mark Taormina, Director of Planning and
Economic Development; Todd Zilincik, City Engineer; Paul Bernier, City Attorney; Susan
M. Nash, City Clerk; Lynda Scheel, City Treasurer; Toni LaPointe, Director of Library
Services; Jacob Rushlow, Superintendent of Public Service; and Mayor Dennis Wright.
Vice President Jolly led the meeting in the Pledge.
President Toy stated there is New Data on Item #11 and Item #12.
President Toy wished City Clerk Susan Nash a happy birthday.
Councilmember Bahr thanked the Spree Committee for their hard work in the Annual
Spree Anniversary Event.
President Toy thanked the many volunteers who helped at the Spree.
President Toy asked for a moment of silence and prayers for Janelle, the young lady who
was hit by a car many months ago and is still recuperating.
AUDIENCE COMMUNICATION: None
NEW BUSINESS:
1. BLOCK PARTY: Jeanine Miller, re: to be held Saturday, August 10, 2019, from
2:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Woodring Street, between Vermont and Oregon, with
no rain date requested.
Jeanine Miller, 9311 Woodring, presented this request to Council. She stated this
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is their 31 Annual Block Party which consists of a gathering of neighbors and a
barbecue, games, children and grandchildren playing in the street.
Councilmember Bahr asked if Ms. Miller knew if her block party is the longest
running one in the City and she replied she didn’t think so. He then offered an
approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
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2. BLOCK PARTY: Maggie McGrane, re: to be held Saturday, August 24, 2019,
from 1:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Rayburn Street, between Levan and Williams, with
no rain date requested.
Maggie McGrane, 36730 Rayburn, presented this request to Council. She stated
this event is a gathering of neighbors, friends, family, food and barbecue, games,
chit chat, fun and laughter.
Vice President Jolly offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
3. BLOCK PARTY: Caren Shatter, re: to be held Saturday, September 7, 2019, from
12:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Sussex Street, between Fitzgerald and Sherwood,
with a rain date of Sunday, September 8, 2019.
Caren Shatter, 15642 Sussex, presented this request to Council. She stated this
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is their 22 year of holding this block party. They will be having a barbecue and a
bounce house, perhaps a band, bonfire at night. She also stated they have applied
for the neighborhood grant and received it so they will be using the funds for the
event. She stated that they used the grant money last year to redo the wall at the
entrance to their subdivision and it’s really a nice benefit that the City offers.
Vice President Jolly offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
4. REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION AS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION: Bob
Meyer, Head Football Coach, Clarenceville High School, re: as required by the
State of Michigan to obtain a Charitable Gaming License to allow a raffle fundraiser
in the future.
Bob Meyer, 8274 Fox, White Lake, presented this request to Council. He stated
they’ve already received incorporation status, an EIN number, and have just
recently been approved for a 501(c)(3) status by the IRS, so this is the last step
for running a raffle which all of the funds will go to the Livonia Clarenceville Football
Booster Club to be used for products that they need for conducting a top level
football program which is his goal right now.
Councilmember White offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
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5. REQUEST APPROVAL FOR SENIOR ALLIANCE 2020-2022 MULTI-YEAR PLAN
(MYP): Jason Maciejewski, Chief Information and Planning Officer, re: as
required by the Aging and Adult Services Agency (AASA) to be submitted to the
State Commission on Services to the Aging.
Councilmember McIntyre, being on the Board of the AASA, presented this request
to Council. She then offered an approving resolution for the Regular Agenda, to
give a representative a chance to come to present this to Council.
DIRECTION: APPROVING REGULAR
6. AWARD OF BID: Livonia Public Library, re: for auditorium renovations for the
Bennett Civic Center Library, from budgeted funds.
Toni Laporte, Director of Library Services, presented this request to Council. She
stated the Finance Department went out to MITN for bids on the renovation of the
Bennett Civic Center Library Auditorium. Other than the sound system, projector
and screen, no updates have been made since the building was built 31-years ago.
Two companies submitted bids and she is requesting Council to award the bid to
Library Design Associates.
Vice President Jolly asked if the company that is awarded the bid will be
approaching this as a library auditorium, and do they have some expertise that will
add value to that area.
Laporte replied that Library Design Associates have done so many library
renovations across Michigan, Ohio, hundreds of libraries. They have done
auditoriums; they do everything and they’re very good. And their bid was lower
than the other company that bid and it was a better bid, they included things that
the other company did not. And they also chose to stay within the timeframe
specified which is very important because they know the auditorium rooms are so
very busy and so they have booked them up to a certain date and have some time
out for the renovation and they say they’re going to do it between those dates.
The other company wanted to start sooner which they couldn’t because the
auditorium was booked during that time.
Vice President Jolly stated he appreciates Laporte looking out for the residents
and the people that use it first, and he then offered an approving resolution for the
Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
7. REQUEST FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PURCHASE ONE (1) 2019 FORD F-550
THROUGH THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND THE MACOMB COUNTY BID
PROCESS: Public Service Division, re: to replace a vehicle assigned to the
Forestry Section, from budgeted funds.
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Jacob Rushlow, Superintendent of Public Service, presented this request to
Council. He stated this agenda item is to purchase a new Ford F-550, which is
really just the chassis part of the vehicle, the rest is an aerial lift that would be
upfitted as a part of the vehicle package. This is a replacement of an existing piece
of equipment that’s about 23-years old and is well beyond its expected use of life.
It’s been extended through improvements over the years but it definitely needs to
be replaced. So the vehicle will be used primarily for tree limb trimming, it has a
45-foot working height. It will be used for both trimming and disposal, it will have
a chipper debris body as well with it. So for both trimming and disposal during
emergencies, or routine maintenance that we do through the Department for Public
Safety with hanging limbs. The upfitting in part will have a hydraulic lift chip body
storage, toolboxes and safety lighting that we use on all of our vehicles. The funds
for this vehicle were previously approved through the DPW Capital Outlay Budget,
pricing was set through the State of Michigan and Macomb County Contract for
the vehicle and upfitting was through the MI-DEAL as an extended purchasing
program that’s made available to us through the State of Michigan. So, it is the
recommendation through the Public Service Division of the DPW that Council
proceed to authorize the purchase of this F-550 Truck from Signature Ford and
upfitting of the truck from Versa Lift Midwest in the amounts listed in the letter, both
from budgeted funds.
Councilmember White offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
8. REQUEST TO APPROVE PURCHASES WITH SOLE SUPPLIER, EJ USA, INC.
f/k/a EAST JORDAN IRON WORKS: Public Service Division, re: for the purchase
of storm water, water main and sanitary manhole-related items in an amount not
to exceed $75,000.00 annually, for the period of July 1, 2019 through June 30,
2020.
Jacob Rushlow, Superintendent of Public Service, presented this request to
Council. He stated this item is related to purchases for water main, sanitary sewer,
and storm sewer manhole items that are iron castings for covers and frames for
manholes, this also includes fire hydrants, water main valves and the City logo
manhole covers. Those are manufactured here locally in Michigan in East Jordan
up north, the company now is called EJ USA, Inc. This pricing that we’ve checked
that they’ve given us for this one year contract is consistent with those being paid
by other neighboring communities for these same items. The local distribution
center here is in Oak Park and has been very responsive in meeting all of our
needs as quickly as possible when we do need materials from them. So, it is the
recommendation through the Department that Council proceed to authorize
purchases from EJ USA, Inc. for storm water manhole, sanitary manhole, water
main related items, not to exceed $75,000.00 annually from funds already
budgeted and also to waive the formal bidding process in accordance with City
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Ordinances since no advantage to the City would result from competitive bidding
in this situation.
Councilmember McIntyre offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda,
stating is something that is needed and is a sole supplier and one of these years
she still wants to get up to East Jordan and take a tour of East Jordan Iron Works
since virtually every manhole cover in the State has that name on it and probably
outside the State, too.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
9. REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES WITH NTH CONSULTANTS FOR
ENVRIONMENTAL ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT: Public Service
Division, re: to amend five-year agreement with NTH Consultants, Ltd., through
June 30, 2023, to provide as-needed environmental engineering services related
to the City’s landfill in the amount of $20,000.00 annually. (CR 229-18)
Jacob Rushlow, Superintendent of Public Service, presented this request to
Council. He stated this item is related to their request for additional services from
NTH Consultants who is their current environmental engineering consultant. Over
the past year they’ve seen an increased focus from the State and at the Federal
level on emerging unregulated contaminants like PFAS which I’m sure you’ve
heard in the news; it’s been a pretty hot topic. The Great Lakes Water Authority
has recently required the City through our landfill permit which has a leachate
discharge to the sanitary sewer system which ultimately ends up at the Great
Lakes Wastewater Treatment Plant that we start to do things to try to reduce or
eliminate through a best management practices plan the amount of PFAS that
they’re finding in samples of our discharge to the wastewater stream. So with that,
NTH being the City’s environmental engineering firm, they talked to them and
asked them to put together a scope of what it would really look like to do and
implement this BMP Plan and what type of additional sampling would need to be
done, lab analysis reporting and the like for the Great Lakes Water Authority and
what they need to see from us. On top of that, with these types of emerging issues
from the State and Federal level, the Department believes it would be prudent on
our behalf also to extend their scope for NTH to also include additional services
to provide for flexibility and timely response to these impending regulatory changes
that we’re seeing these days for emerging contaminants such as PFAS. So, it is
the Department’s recommendation that Council proceed to approve a contract
amendment with NTH Consultants to provide these as needed environmental
engineering services and authorize the Clerk and the Mayor to execute that
contract amendment and then also authorize an additional expenditure to their
existing contract in the amount of $20,000 annually through the remaining life of
their contract with the City.
Vice President Jolly stated he has two questions. First, you mentioned PFAS and
obviously there are some people locally who are sensitive about water issues,
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rightfully so, and statewide that’s also a sensitive topic. Could you provide Council
with a report that details what exactly is coming out of this site. I understand it’s
not a current site that’s operating, it’s been closed for many, many years but it’s
something that we’re managing a past situation; and then asked if Rushlow could
provide Council with those reports.
Rushlow responded yes, they can, absolutely.
Vice President Jolly said it’s probably appropriate with the sensitivity around this
concern, and as a representative so the people have an idea of what exactly is
happening there, from that perspective. Secondly, with the amount of the contract,
an additional five years with up to $20,000 annually, it says here “as needed”?
Rushlow answered correct.
Vice President Jolly stated the scope of “as needed” confuses me to an extent. Do
you have a detailed outline of what that “as needed” might be; is there a cap, is
there a limit, might they recommend something that you will be coming back for
more? I’m just trying to get a grasp of what we’re talking about.
Rushlow replied right now we do have from them specifically on the PFAS topic
and what would be needed achieve our best management practices plan through
our permit with Great Lakes Water Authority. We have that scope from them and
what that’s going to look like and cost. Beyond that in the next five years we’re not
sure of what may be coming down the pike on additional things that we may need
to do or additional sampling. Part of our plan is to continue to do sampling for
another two years, see where we’re at, and then really see what else do we need
to do beyond that to try and reduce or eliminate, maybe we’ve achieved our goal
by then, so that’s why we put it as a “not to exceed $20,000”, because we may not
need to actually use that much every year on these additional services but we may
need to get there at some point.
Jolly then asked are they approving the payment of $20,000 annually or up to
$20,000 annually?
Rushlow replied it would up to, and not to exceed $20,000.
Jolly then asked when Rushlow would be able to share the reports with Council
and Rushlow replied for the reporting that they’ve done so far, they have to do
quarterly reporting on sampling, right now we’re not required because this is what’s
coined as an emerging contaminant, it’s unregulated, so it’s something that they
don’t have to sample for right now but what Great Lakes has done is went out and
taken basically a single grab sample of the leachate stream and said hey, we found
PFAS in your stuff so we want you to start to monitor it and then do some things
to improve it. So that part of it we haven’t actually started to do yet but he can
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send the results that they have so far, even if you want to see the last year’s
quarterly reports, those can all be provided.
Jolly asked Rushlow if he could do that and specifically the PFAS, that would be
appreciated.
Vice President offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
Councilmember McIntyre asked if an amendment should be made to the document
that reads “authorizing additional expenditure in the amount of up to $20,000
annually?” The letter submitted says $20,000 and that perhaps that amendment
should be made.
DIRECTION: 1)APPROVING CONSENT
2)AMEND LETTER TO READ “NOT TO EXCEED $20,000”
10. REQUEST TO ACCEPT STORM WATER FACILITIES MAINTENANCE
AGREEMENT: Engineering Division, re: from Vibe Credit Union, in conjunction
with the construction of a storm drainage system that provides adequate drainage
for property developed at 16825 Middlebelt Road, in the Northeast ¼ of Section
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Todd Zilincik, City Engineer, presented this request to Council. He stated this is a
housekeeping issue, the Credit Union is getting ready to open very shortly. You
saw on the west side of Middlebelt just south of Six Mile a lot of activity recently to
provide a new facility, Vibe Credit Union. So in order for them to get their full C of
O, one of the requirements is the storm water agreement needs to be executed,
so they’re trying to be proactive and appreciate Council’s cooperation and approval
of this.
Vice President Jolly offered an approving resolution for the Consent Agenda.
DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT
11. WAIVER PETITION: Planning Commission, re: Petition 2019-05-02-08 submitted
by Livonia Healthcare Real Estate, L.L.C. to demolish the existing nursing home
(St. Jude) and construct a new building in its place for the purpose of operating a
nursing and physical rehabilitation facility (Mission Point Livonia) on the north side
of Ann Arbor Trail between Joy Road and Stark Road (34350 Ann Arbor Trail) in
the Southeast ¼ of Section 33.
Mark Taormina, Director of Planning and Economic Development, presented this
request to Council. He stated this is a request to demolish and replace the St.
Jude Nursing Home at the corner of Ann Arbor Trail and Stark Road and construct
a new nursing and physical rehabilitation facility. This is a zoning map that shows
where the property is located with respect to surrounding properties and zoning.
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On three sides are residential homes. On the north side of the property is the
Rouge Parkway, part of Hines Park. The property is zoned OS, Office Services,
that zoning has been in place since around 1959. The original facility, St. Jude –
well, actually Riverbank Convalescent Home, was built sometime in the early
1960s. Section 9.03 (g) of the Ordinance treats convalescent nursing homes and
homes for the elderly as a waiver use in the OS Zoning District. Homes are
required to be on parcels that comprise at least one acre plus 500 square feet of
land per bed. This is a 1.59 acre site and as such it could support a total of 51
beds. St. Jude currently operates with a total of 64 beds and it’s their intent to
keep the 64 beds. These beds would effectively be escrowed whole the new facility
is under construction and then upon completion the beds would transfer to the new
facility which would be operated by new ownership and under a new name, Mission
Point Livonia.
President Toy asked Treasurer Scheel if there was an outstanding balance of fees
on this property.
Treasurer Scheel came to the podium and stated previously there were taxes due
to the City for personal property taxes and to Wayne County for real property taxes.
The personal property taxes have been paid in full. There are still taxes due to
Wayne County. They have been making payments to Wayne County and the
receipt was sent showing they had made recent payments but there is still a large
amount owing. There were supposed to be plans made through the bankruptcy of
when the taxes to Wayne County were going to be paid off that she is not sure
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what the current plans are with that. But when she last checked on July 3, there
was still taxes owing to Wayne County for the real property taxes.
Councilmember Meakin offered a resolution to send this item to the Committee of
the Whole as he is not comfortable moving forward with the petition where there is
money being owed to the City as well as the County with a pending bankruptcy
hearing which is supposed to be in mid-July, so he’s not comfortable at all moving
forward with this without going to Committee before anything else is resolved with
the bankruptcy hearing.
DIRECTION: REFER TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CONSENT
12. SITE PLAN PETITION: Planning Commission, re: Petition 2019-01-08-01
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submitted by 18 Street Development, LLC to construct a professional/medical
office building located on the north side of Seven Mile Road between the I-275/96
Expressway and Haggerty Road (39000 Seven Mile Road) in the Southwest ¼ of
Section 6.
Mark Taormina, Director of Planning and Economic Development, presented this
request to Council. He stated this is a revision to a previously approved site plan
that was to build a professional medical office building which as everyone knows
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at this point is for Beaumont Health. It was on February 25 of this year that City
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Council granted site plan approval for what was a 4 and a half story building located
at the north end of the property. And under that original plan the existing office
and industrial building was going to remain as part of the overall redevelopment of
the site and that would be used primarily as a warehouse. The reason this item is
back before the Planning Commission is two-fold: one, is because the Petitioner,
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18 Street Development, as well as the main tenant, Beaumont Health, have made
substantial changes to the plan and they are also bringing back to you the callback
item, which was the design of the building, so we will be reviewing both of those
items this evening.
So the new plan shows a slightly smaller four-story building that will be built near
the center of the site and would replace the existing office and industrial building
which would be completely demolished. The north end of the property where the
building was originally proposed will be left vacant and that would be retained by
the owners for future possible development.
The gross floor area of the new building is 134,400 square feet, so it’s slightly
smaller than the original building which was 160,000 square feet. The building
again is positioned in the center of the property, it’s in an area which is currently
the main parking lot, which lays just east of the existing A123 office building. At
the closest point the building is about 104 feet from the I-275 off ramp. Customer
and employee parking will be mostly on the west and the south side of the building
where the nonemergency entrances are located and then the emergency drop off
is located on the east side with additional parking located on the north side of the
building as well as some of the building’s other support services which are on the
east and north sides and this would include the receiving area, the ground mounted
mechanical, as well as the mobile MRI unit as well as the trash containment area.
All of these elements would be screened using a combination of both masonry
walls as well as landscaping.
As with the previous design, the new road that would run parallel to the expressway
on the east side of the site as well as on the south and north sides where it would
connect and provide access to both Seven Mile and Haggerty Roads. The
alignment of the road is very similar to the previous design; however the latest plan
shows a road avoiding the historic Orson Everett property altogether. The new
alignment moves the road further to the north and completely onto the Pentagon
Center Entertainment Campus property. This has the benefit of not only
eliminating any impact to the historic property, but it also increases the separation
from the signalized intersection and hence improves the turning movements as
well as the stacking distance for vehicles that are waiting at the light.
The plan also resulted a net zero displacement of parking on the Pentagon Center.
So, you’re looking at a plan that differs in a number of respects from the one
Council looked at a few months ago. Not only is the building smaller and
repositioned on the site, the existing building being demolished in its entirety but
also how this site accesses Seven Mile Road is slightly different. Originally they
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were showing that road going through the north end of that historic property which
they have an option to acquire. That road has now been moved further to the
north; it avoids any impact to the historic property. All signage would be located
off site and there would be no impact to that site. That was something that they’ve
been working on for several weeks with the owners and with the association of the
Pentagon Center Entertainment Campus.
Parking, there are 281 parking spaces that are required for the clinical office which
is the medical component. Another 346 spaces for the physician office or the
general office. An additional twelve spaces needed for building support and
amenity. Overall the parking required by Code is about 639 spaces. This site plan
shows 568 spaces, so there is deficiency of 71 spaces. This is similar to the plan
that was presented to Council earlier. The Petitioner is very confident that the
parking that is needed by industry standard is roughly 560 spaces, so they feel
confident that the amount of parking being provided on the site is ample for what
is required.
Altogether new landscaping plan as it effects the parking areas. Additional
landscaping details are provided for some of the off site improvements. The Loop
Road as well as the changes that would occur on the Pentagon Center
Entertainment Campus.
With respect to the building elevation plans, the architect is here and I’ll let Kendall
describe these in greater detail. But the building is predominantly a brick and metal
panel design. Again, it’s four stories so it’s slightly lower than the design you
looked at a couple of months ago. There aren’t details on signage at this point,
that is something that will have to come back for further review. The Planning
Commission is recommending approval of the plans as submitted.
President Toy opened the floor for questions from Council.
She then asked Taormina if this complex would house overnight patients, and he
responded that the Petitioner will reply to that question.
President Toy called the Petitioners to the podium.
Tom Kelly, 1560 Market Street, Denver, Colorado, came to the podium and stated
it is a pleasure to be in front of Council once again. He stated this will be an
outpatient facility so while there is an emergency department, it’s a 23-hour stay.
So just to give you a little context from where we were to where we are now and
the why, as Mr. Taormina mentioned, Beaumont Health is their partner on this deal.
We are a true partner in this deal. Beaumont owns the land and they’re going to
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do a long term ground lease, 18 Street Development. They will develop, they will
own the facility but Beaumont will be the anchor tenant. Fifty percent of the
tenancy will be independent physicians. The reason why they ended up switching
from originally keeping the A123 building to where we are now, was Beaumont had
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certain needs from a warehouse standpoint that they were able to solve outside of
this property. This solution offers a much better patient experience without having
that building there and centrally locating our facility right in the middle of the
property. So they’re very pleased to be able to come forward with that.
The building has shrunk in size, they’ve been able to advance their planning with
Beaumont’s departments and really right size the building, so we’re confident that
this is what the building size is going to be both from Beaumont’s perspective as
well as what the market will be able to bear with the independent physicians. We
have some plans and his design team is present to answer any questions.
In regard to the new circulation, they have been working very hard with the
Pentagon Association as you know, AMC Theaters, Hyatt, restaurants, these are
corporations, a lot of cats to herd. They’ve worked with the historic preservation
commission and some of them are present here, very pleased that we’re able to
come to terms and a mutual understanding with the Pentagon Association so that
we do not have to affect the historic building or the land whatsoever. We still have
to come to some business terms with the Pentagon Association but we’re putting
these plans in front of you because we have a plan that they’ve agreed upon in
principle and this is the intent of the property and moving forward.
President Toy asked if there are wetlands on the property and Kelly responded
yes, and that they’re trying their best to minimize any wetland impacts. They’ve
been working with a wetland impact consultant throughout the various stages of
their planning efforts and this is the most minimal impact that they’ve been able to
come up both from a historical preservation as well as from a wetland perspective.
Councilmember Bahr asked if there is an entrance directly off of Seven Mile Road
and Kelly responded there will be coming off of Chippewa Street, where the
existing signalized intersection is. Bahr clarified it’s the road that goes by the high
place in the theater, that’s the one way in and Kelly replied yes.
Kelly went on to say the existing A123 road access that comes to Seven Mile will
go away.
Bahr then asked with the parking, Mr. Taormina said something about the industry
standard for something like this being 560 spaces, and Kelly replied yes. Bahr
stated the parking requirements can often be excessive and he cited the
Providence Center at Seven Mile and Newburgh which he feels is one of the poster
children for a parking lot that is way too big. 538 spaces quite frankly sounds like
a lot and in looking at the plans it looks like one big sea of parking lot with a
beautiful building, and asked Kelly how many parking spaces he thinks is needed
and if not, are the parking requirements limiting what you can do with the
development of the building.
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Kelly replied that they develop throughout the country and they partner with some
of the largest healthcare organizations and parking is very important, to get it right
it’s important to have it well circulated around the building, not just from a parking
count perspective. So what this plan incorporates is what we think is the right
balance of where the parking is located, we have two entrances within the building,
one on the north, one on the south end. But also from an overall parking count
perspective, yes, there’s going to be just under 300 employees within the building.
It’s going to be a healthcare facility, as you know, even from an outpatient
perspective, you’re going to have family members that are going to be
accompanying. Somewhere in the 4.5 per 1,000 to 5 per 1,000 of rentable square
feet is really where they need to be. It’s not just from a long term quality standpoint
for the patients and the employees within the building, but also quite honestly from
a financing perspective, to be able to be consistent with industry standards. The
last thing we want to do is overpark, it’s just money that’s thrown away and more
that we have to maintain. So this right in the sweet spot of where we think it’s going
to be for the short and long term of the building.
Bahr then said if they are comfortable where it is the parking relative to the
ordinance is not an issue to him. He then asked the lot that they’re keeping
available to the north for possible future development, is that something that the
parking that you’re getting here, do you anticipate parking being an issue with
putting a building there in the future.
Kelly replied no, they believe there’s ample land for it to be a self-sustaining
development, whether it’s a healthcare facility or any other facility, they have no
plans for what that future may be right now, they’ll see how this project goes. They
may end up looking at this as a land hold, I don’t know, to be honest with you, but
there are no plans for what that future may be but there is ample land for that to
be, its own parking and its own development.
Bahr then stated he had no further questions but thanked the Petitioner for the
work they put into this project since it was last before Council and taking into
consideration so many of the concerns that were expressed at that time.
Vice President Jolly thanked the Petitioner for the many value added
improvements that were made to the plans. He then asked about the emergency
department that the Petitioner referred to earlier and asked him to clarify what that
would be in practice for a couple different reasons. He then asked when he said
the Emergency Department at a building that is branded with one of the most
prominent hospital names in the area, will there at some point be anything
misleading about saying that, is this going to be a full service emergency
department or is it actually going to be like an urgent care kind of facility. Can you
provide some insight into what that might be because I would hate for somebody
who needs a full emergency room to go to a facility marked as a branded hospital
and not be able to get the service that they need because they might only get that
shot once.
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Kelly replied in terms of the overall flow from the ambulance 911 perspective,
they’ll all understand the trauma levels of what each emergency department within
the County and within the City is able to provide. So this will be a lower level
trauma facility, something that may be more like a broken bone. If somebody is
having a heart attack and they call 911, they’re going to be routed to Farmington
Hills or to a higher level trauma facility.
Jolly said he understands that the professionals would know that, but one who is
taking somebody else in a medical emergency, may waste valuable time going to
a facility that can’t help them. He stated he doesn’t know of any other facilities that
is branded as an emergency department that’s not a full service emergency
department, at least locally .
Kelly then stated he has a representative from Beaumont, Amanda Mulak, Senior
Project Manager for Beaumont Health, she’s been our partner on this, living and
breathing this project, and she could probably speak to that better than I could, if
you don’t mind.
Amanda Mulak came to the podium. She introduced herself and stated her
address is at 29394 Cotton Road, Chesterfield. Thank you for having me. There
are a few local freestanding ED’s, they do have one in Canton within our system
itself, so that’s our first freestanding EC that we have within our system. But there
is also one that we know of within the St. John System in Macomb and I believe
Henry Ford also has one as well. So, it’s becoming more of a --- waiting for us to
get the full services that we can offer for people in the communities that we’ve done
market research on. So I think Mr. Jolly asked earlier what will the EC Department
have and it will be a full spectrum of EC services. So, it has an imaging and lab
attached to it where we can do both outpatient care but if someone comes in for
emergency services, we can either stabilize them and get them transported, should
someone not understand that we’re not a Level 1 Trauma or we’ll treat the lower
acute patients at our facility.
Jolly then stated that everyone has visited an Urgent Care, and that there are good
Urgent Cares and some that are less good. He then asked how Mulak anticipates
staffing at a facility like this, an Emergency Department. If someone walks in with
a stroke, is there going to be one doctor on call at a time or what type of staffing
will there be.
Mulak replied they will have full-time physicians and nursing on staff at all times,
it’s going to be open 24/7.
Jolly then asked if it will be a handful or a full team and Mulak responded the
emergency rooms themselves were sized based on what they felt the area needed.
So the Emergency Department itself is going to have in Livonia eight exam rooms
with two resuscitation and two triage, so it’s a full complement of services that we
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can staff and will be staffing accordingly based on our market research for the
area.
Jolly then stated overall he loves the project, he loves that they’re coming to
Livonia, he loves the site plan except for this, something just doesn’t sit right with
this as far as I look at it.
Councilmember Meakin stated he is extremely excited about the project, he thinks
this is a huge improvement to retrofitting an older industrial as well as office space,
so this is a much greater improvement and he appreciates all the work that was
done in making the Ring Road work. That was very important to us as a community
because of the traffic flow on Seven Mile and Haggerty that I’m sure you’re well
aware of. The medical field is changing dramatically as my colleagues have
addressed earlier but we’re going to have another emergency facility on the other
side of the street, so it’s not much different from what Trinity is offering south of
Seven Mile. So I don’t foresee this as a huge problem. Mostly in Livonia you’re
being transported by Livonia Fire Department. They’re going to know not to go to
your facility unless it’s an absolute emergency that they have to go there if St.
Mary’s is out of beds or the next Trauma 1 is out of service or whatever. He
indicated he is extremely excited about this and he then offered an approving
resolution on the last petition that was presented to Council, and he offered an
approving resolution for this item as well and I imagine we’re going on the Regular
Agenda for this one so we’ll see you in a couple weeks.
Councilmember McIntyre asked if the State required licensing of Emergency
Departments and certain standards to be met and is a Certificate of Need still
required as it was at one time in order to build new beds, that she doesn’t know
what the Certificate of Need requirements are for emergency facilities. Is it correct
or incorrect that the State requires licensing for emergency?
Mulak replied her understanding is that they don’t require the Certificate for the
emergency itself, but any of the imaging equipment that they have there, so a CT
scanner and our mobile MRI and PET machines that are going to be at this facility.
So we’re working on getting those CONs, Letter of Intent to the State and we have
a plan to get that. Now the Code will require for the type of ambulatory health
code, this will be reviewed by the State of Michigan. As far as HFES review and
coordination with the City of Livonia review as well.
McIntyre asked if the State has to designate or approve a facility in order for it to
be called an Emergency Department, that is her question. In order to be
designated an emergency room or emergency medical services, is that a
designation that the State has to approve?
Mulak replied that’s not her understanding.
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McIntyre then stated it is incumbent then on the facility to make sure people
understand, that’s an issue, but to Mr. Meakin’s point, most of the – we hope – the
very acute cases are taken by Livonia ambulance, you know it’s not, people
shouldn’t be driving their loved ones who are in acute distress to an emergency
room facility.
President Toy stated there are private ambulances as well that do come into play
besides the Fire Department. Her concern is, she’d like, and not sure who to direct
this to, but she feels this should be checked out through the State and see what
the requirements are. She respects the fact of Mulak’s position and what she
does, but so much changes in Lansing from time to time, and she served up there,
a law could be here today and gone tomorrow or altered in some respect. She
then indicated she would like this emergency thing to be checked out so that we
know that we’re on even footing, we know that Beaumont as well as St. Joe that
we’ve now entered in with, nothing would treat our residents any different, we
wouldn’t expect that obviously, but the City has a lot of medical facilities around
there, because the University of Michigan facility is over that way and they do
imaging as well and they do different services. So you’ve got a lot of little niches
within that Seven Mile corridor and Haggerty, so I think it would behoove us to do
that and whatever direction, Madam Clerk, you can send that to, maybe the
Administration could give a call to our State Rep and Senator, or the Health Policy
Committee, whoever chairs that, we would be able to find that out a little bit more
clear. She stated she respects Mulak’s knowledge, but she’d also like to see if
there’s any nuances within that scope, if you will. She’s concerned as the traffic
flows when you’re bringing in emergency vehicles, she’s ridden in enough of them
with her brother, so it’s not a pleasant experience always. So you want to get, as
Vice President Jolly said, the best care that you can for a situation when someone
has such an emergency and be very clear about --- perhaps the name needs to be
restructured, she doesn’t know, let’s see what we can find out.
Vice President Jolly asked if it is going to posted as an urgent care or a high level
urgent care or will it be an Emergency Department. He indicated that Beaumont
is the hospital that his family uses and they’ve gotten great service and he trusts
that they’re going to provide top notch care, it’s just people driving down the road
who see the Beaumont name in red letters that say Emergency, they may be
expecting something else, they’re not going to know the nuances.
Mulak then stated that she is not sure if Council is familiar with their expansion at
Farmington Hills that opened recently a few months ago. They did do a community
outreach and had a three day open house for the community to come into the
facility and get acquainted with our new Emergency Department there and try to
do that communication. So they would be happy to do a similar type of outreach
to educate the community about what type of emergency services we would have
in this new location and do something to support that concern that you have.
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President Toy stated that her concern, to follow-up, is you’re driving down the
expressway, you’re a traveler from out-of-state, you’re a traveler from in-state, you
see Beaumont, you see possibly that there’s a hospital or a facility for health care
and then you see Emergency when you turn off your service drive or whatever the
case may be, maybe I’m blowing it out of proportion but she thinks the concept
again of Emergency is one that says to me I can go in there for my knees, I’m not
breathing, I just got an allergic reaction to something, any number of things that I
know we all see in health providers. She thanked Mulak again but asked that this
issue be checked into a little deeper as well.
Mulak said she’d be happy to provide any information to Council that they have.
President Toy also thanked the Petitioners for preserving the Historical portion of
this site.
DIRECTION: APPROVING REGULAR
13. SITE PLAN PETITION: Planning Commission, re: Petition 2019-05-08-08
submitted by Quick Pass Carwash to construct a new attendant building, modify
vehicular parking and access, and install new self-serve vacuum stations with
overhead canopy located on the south side of Five Mile Road between Yale
Avenue and Levan Road (36293 Five Mile Road), in the Northeast ¼ of Section
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Mark Taormina, Director of Planning and Economic Development, presented this
request to Council. He stated this petition involves a number of site changes and
upgrades to what has been a car wash for a number of years, Century Car Wash
is what it previously operated under and now it’s call Quick Pass Carwash. This
building is about 10,800 square feet in size. The building originally was
constructed in the early 1970s as an automotive diagnostic building and then it
was expanded later to include the car wash. The new operator, Quick Pass, is in
the process of undertaking a number of improvements and upgrades to the
property, including installing new car wash equipment, changing the parking, as
well as the circulation pattern for the site, adding a new pay station, as well as
installing new self-automated vacuums. This is the Zoning Map; it shows you what
is actually three zoning classifications that encompass the property. The northerly
part where the building, the parking, and all the other activities occur, is zoned C-
2. The middle portion which does include additional parking is zoned P for parking,
and then the southerly portion which is mostly undeveloped is zoned OS, Office
Services. Note the proximity of the residential properties from the southeast corner
of the property that has been an ongoing issue and something that will get
discussed here.
One of the significant changes is how the circulation pattern works and how the
pay station works. Originally cars would enter the queue for the wash and stack
in a drive aisle that was located along the east side of the property. Under the new
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plan this drive aisle will be converted to 90 degree parking and the drive aisle will
be shifted slightly to the west. Those cars if you look at the plan will then enter a
pay station at the south end of the property. This would be an automated pay
station. Customers will be able to select from a number of items from a menu
board. They will be able to pay, there will be an attendant, somebody stationed
there at all times to assist with persons ordering their car wash, there would be
automated gates that would then allow the vehicles to turn right as they have done
for a number of years, then circle back around to the north along the west side of
the property where they would enter the car wash. So not real significant changes
with respect to the circulation pattern other than moving that aisle a little bit further
to the north and providing parking along the east side of the property.
Again, the point of sales area where those two stations are located, that would be
covered by an awning and there’s a small tenant building which we have plans for.
Another change to the site involves the addition of ten self-serve vacuum stations
which are located along the west side of the property. These two are covered by
a fabric canopy or awning. They are illuminated, I think, with LED lighting and
these stations would each allow vehicles, would be able to pull into 12-foot by 20-
foot spaces where the payment would be at each one of those stations, allow for
the cleaning of vehicles and then exit along the east side of the building as is the
case today.
Another change was with respect to landscaping. One of the issues was the
buffering between the proposed use and the residential properties to the south and
to the east. For this reason the plans before you show a portion of the southeast
corner of the parking lot being removed. They would sawcut that triangular area
which you see here and additional landscaping as well as berming would be
provided there to provide additional shielding to the residents that are located
adjacent to this side of the property.
A dumpster would also be moved a little bit further to the west, it would be fully
enclosed. The Planning Commission reviewed this plan in detail. They placed
restrictions relative to the hours of operation as well as requiring that all the lights
be turned off at least one hour after the business closes, shielding on all of the
lights. With that, I’ll be happy to answer any questions that Council has.
President Toy thanked Taormina and opened the floor for questions by Council.
Councilmember Bahr stated that the pictures in his packet reflect that the work has
already been done and Taormina replied it has proceeded and is probably 80 to
90 percent complete.
Bahr then asked how a site plan is before Council when the project is 90 percent
complete and Taormina replied that it was a situation where permits were applied
for and pulled for certain work that he thinks the scope of work being undertaken
was misunderstood by the Review authority. So when the City learned of the
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extent of the modifications it was felt that this meets the scope of something that
would have to come for a site plan review.
Taormina pointed out the pay stations, the two areas where vehicles would enter.
You don’t see the gates at this time, I’m not sure that those have been installed.
And then these would be the self-serve vacuums along the west side of the
property.
Councilmember McIntyre asked Taormina if the vacuums had been installed and
he responded yes. She then asked if just the vacuums had been installed,
previously there were two really old, very crummy vacuums there. But what does
the ordinance require in terms of approval for additional vacuum stations?
Taormina replied the ordinance is silent with respect to that, so it’s really a
discretionary, it’s up to the Administration in deciding whether it reaches the
threshold, I guess, if you will, of requiring a formal site plan review. It was felt that
the changes were significant enough that would require Planning Commission and
Council’s review.
McIntyre said she’s glad the decision was made, and she understands why when
it started that perhaps it didn’t look like a formal review was needed but she’s glad
they’re here.
President Toy called the Petitioner to the podium.
Jamie Burke, Quick Pass Carwash, 49409 Plymouth Way, Plymouth, Michigan
came to the podium. He stated what they’re doing here is – they have one in
Canton, they’re building another one in Plymouth, they’re coming to Livonia, and
they’re going for approval for a fourth one in South Canton. And what it is is a new
style car wash. So, it’s big out of state, where you have the free vacuums you pull
out, those vacuums are free. There’s a hose for each side of your car so you’re
not dragging an old hose through your car. It’s really convenient, you can take
your time. If you don’t want to buy a car wash, you can still use the vacuums,
they’re free. We also offer unlimited memberships so that’s what we need the pay
stations for with the gates. So when you pull up, if you have a tag on your window,
the gate recognizes it’s you, opens up, lets you in, sends a signal and the kid inside
the tunnel knows what car is next, takes a picture of your car, shows you’re an
unlimited member, hits send and you go through. So we did --- when we were
purchasing this, we went forth and again there was a little miscommunication, I
guess the scope of work was a little more than was expected. But this is kind of
common now, is the free vacuums, the pay stations, so I don’t have to worry about
anybody stealing, 90 percent of the transactions these days are credit cards
already so the machine does all the work. We don’t have to have four kids
scrubbing your car anymore, freezing to death. We’ve got one kid inside, he’s nice
and warm. The inside of the tunnel is completely remodeled, all new walls, new
electrical, new everything. All new equipment, state of the art. And if you’re a
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member here and you want to go to the one in Plymouth, you can go to that one.
If you want to go to the one in Canton, it’s like a club, it’s like a gym membership.
And as far as lighting, and hours of operation, we have one in Canton where we’re
already doing this, we have neighbors that are 90-feet, we’re right on the threshold,
we had to be 90-feet from their backyard and we meet all the requirements in
Canton as far as lighting and things like that.
The LED that are in the canopies, those are 20 watts, they’re just for like a small
amount of light for you to see what’s going on. But we close at 8:00 in the summer
so it’s still light out, and we close at 7:00 in the winter. And then on Sundays we
close at 6:00.
President Toy asked what time they open and Burke replied 7:00 a.m.
President Toy opened the floor for questions from Council.
Councilmember McIntyre stated she guesses she’s out of luck if she holds a bunch
of the five-wash cards from the prior owner. Burke replied they are going to honor
all of those, everyone will get a $15 car wash, the washes are $7, $11 and $15.
And what they’re going to do for the first month is they’re going to launch TV
commercials, 1,000 commercials a month will be run. They bought 42,000 post
cards, everybody in Livonia is going to get one. And the first month is $1.00 and
you get the $15 car wash unlimited for a whole month.
Councilmember McIntyre said she asked that question because many residents
also invested in those former five-wash car passes. She then asked concerning
the noise ordinance, the no radios, are they going to police the no radios and Burke
replied he is having signs being made as they speak and someone will be
monitoring it. He then said his car wash in Canton, that most people are respectful
of the no radio rule, there’s a manager on site, they’re different than most car
washes, they’re not the old angry guys. There’s no one going to be outside
smoking, cigarettes, taking breaks, it’s a very professional operation. So the
managers and supervisors are hands on, they’re walking the parking lot, making
sure you’re happy with your car wash, customer service is number one. Again,
they worked with the neighbors in Canton, they’re really close, so there will be No
Loud Music Signs. As far as noise, we’re under the decibels, we already had a
decibel meter under there so we fired all the vacuums up and you know road noise
is 55, it goes from 55 to 60, and ours in under 59.
McIntyre stated she likes the professional approach to this, they were good, she
lives right near there, they did a good job at that car wash generally, but it was old,
and it was starting to look old and the landscaping needed some updating, the
dumpster needed some updating, those vacuums needed some updating. She
said she has never used one of these car washes but is familiar with them and
sees these now and she thinks this is going to be a nice addition and make that
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corner look better and she’s glad they’re straightened out now and that they’ve
gone before Planning Commission for formal site approval which she thinks is
necessary. Overall she thinks this is going to be a really nice development at that
corner.
Burke invited the Councilmembers to stop by, the building is painted.
Councilmember McIntyre asked if the maintenance bays were gone and Burke
replied that the auto place is still there, they take the front half, and the car wash
takes the back half. He then stated they made it wider in the back, they redid that.
The concrete is all new, all new heated slabs so when you enter it’s a heated slab
and when you exit it’s a heated slab so it doesn’t ice up in the winter. The building
is painted, new landscaping everywhere, new LED lights, there wasn’t a light on
the property that worked.
President Toy asked if there are people that towel dry the car and Burke replied
no, they have a chemical balance in their wash system, that puts enough drying
agent with enough water and it sheers off your car, there won’t be water on your
car but if you want, there’s microfiber towels when you’re done if you want to use
them out by the vacuums if you want to do your door jambs and stuff like that.
Councilmember Kritzman stated it wasn’t that long ago that residents came to
Council regarding this property and new lighting that was installed and it was a
matter of that lighting being intrusive in the backyard and asked if that was rectified.
Burke replied there is no lighting on the property, there is no power to the back.
The awnings have 20 watt LEDs in them and they’re not on and they’re going to
be shut off at the time of business. They are still waiting to put the lights up in the
back until they’re approved because he doesn’t want to spend 3 or $4,000 and
throw them on a pole real quick. But the blue awnings for the vacuums, they have
LEDs in there and I think maybe they were left on, but they shine straight down,
they don’t shine out, they’re not intrusive at all.
Kritzman then stated that one of the concerns that was brought up at the time was
a matter of screening between this operation which is obviously a lot bigger
operation than was there before. So going back to the screening between this
operation and the adjacent residential property, I know that Mark talked a little bit
about landscape screening in the corner of the property but I guess I’m going to
throw this question to Mark. To be honest, that landscaping piece looks like a
token element of the entire site plan, is that the only area that is required or is it
because the adjacent property is another commercial use and we’re not requiring
more landscaping?
Taormina replied that the paving, as you can see from this plan, goes pretty much
to the edge of the property so there is not a whole lot of opportunity to provide
additional landscaping along the east side of the property. I think they’ve added; I
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think the intent here was to add that landscaping where they felt it would provide
the most effective screening to the residents which is that triangular area. The
area directly to the south of that, if I go back to the aerial photograph, you’ll see is
the undeveloped area of the site and that is where the City approved a greenbelt
in lieu of a protective wall that would otherwise have to go along the edge of the
property. It was felt that building a wall would probably do more disturbance on
this site then the existing landscaping, correct.
Kritzman then asked Burke about the existing pavement that is out there, and he
has not been to the site, he was studying the project earlier today and obviously
looking at Google Maps, you can see what was there. On the eastern border of
the property, in the back half, where you’ve got all the cars and vacuums and all
that, he noticed earlier that there are vacuum stations and there is an extra wide
open area which obviously had two queuing sections through there and then you
have additional parking which he presumes to be for Auto Lab.
Burke stated it’s for anybody, for employees.
Kritzman asked if it would be possible because the drawings aren’t clear, he’s not
sure of the dimensions in that middle area and maybe Mark has it on that sheet if
he can zoom in right there, what is that middle section, is that 56 feet through
there? I guess is it possible to peel that back from that corner to the first island
five feet and put a landscape screen in there.
Burke replied that right now you can’t see that there are trees there. On the east
of those spots there’s 30 feet of woods.
Kritzman stated that’s primarily deciduous trees.
Burke said what he’s going to running off the side of that are arborvitaes, at the
corner of the landscaping and go about ten parking spots to where the light pole
is, they’re going to go almost to the light pole, arborvitaes. He said they will be 8
to 10 feet tall, and they’ll run north on an angle to the south.
Kritzman said from the triangular area to the island where the light is located and
Burke replied yes.
Taormina then said that is addressed in Item No. 14 in the resolution.
President Toy opened the floor for Audience Communication.
Marsha Malec, 361124 Parkhurst, Livonia, came to the podium stating she is one
of the residents that back up to the car wash. She said she first notice the new
improvements and expansion to the car wash in March and that was during winter
and there was no greenery on the trees so the bright blue awning was very
noticeable at that time and there was a lot of construction and noise going on. She
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said she and her neighbors were surprised about all of the activity on the creek.
One of the concerns was basically the activity on the creek and she thinks it was
Todd Zilincik who helped her get a several hundred thousand dollar grant from the
State to shore up the ravine because it was caving in. There were at least five or
six neighbors who were assessed $20,000 each towards the cost of that. So with
all this new activity we were all just surprised that with how we thought that the
ravine was so fragile that there would be all this activity right on the edge of it again.
So that’s what her concern is. And with all this building happening before it was
approved, how do they know what the impact to the ravine might be. And she
knows that they can’t know that until they’re operational but it’s a concern because
there was a huge investment from our neighborhood on that ravine. She stated
that a few of the neighbors say, too, that for the longest time after that was done,
that the creek was very, very clear and she doesn’t know what are reasons that
would cause the creek to get cloudy or oily looking or green again. She has not
seen it because she doesn’t see the water from her property but a few of her
neighbors commented that the water looks murky again. Could be any reason.
Janice Prokopenko, 36126 Parkhurst, Livonia, came to the podium. She stated
she lives directly, closest to these wonderful blue buildings. She has a picture in
April, she was shocked to see this blue tunnel was white. I think this was approved
as if this had still been a farm, it’s been open since 1970, instead of a subdivision.
She wants to know they can ameliorate since this monster is there. She’s
concerned about the water, she’s concerned that they will have to pay – because
they put in those two buildings fifteen, twenty years ago on Five Mile, you know,
these people had to pay so much money, she’s afraid for all the neighbors on the
creek who will have to have something like that happen. And that was a Wayne
State because it’s all creek, a Wayne County assessment. How can they
ameliorate what’s there already? The other owner, Gary, his partner, warned the
owner of the property was very, very good. They brought me the decibels, it’s 59,
he said it was when all ten of them were on, the vacuums. And I know that our by-
laws say it has to be 55, I have a concern with radios or noisy cars are coming, it’s
right in my backyard, absolutely, it’s on my phone, you can see the picture. It’s a
change of use. It was done part-time; Inspectors were there and didn’t know what
they were looking at. So we just fell through the cracks. Last time you did show
the green space and it’s a little deceptive because most of that green is the house
next to me. The creek goes, I would say two-thirds is on my neighbor’s, there’s
the little green space I think on there. So I just wonder what we can do to make it
better, yet the blue is very bright and it’s right out my kitchen window. My deck, at
9:00, 10:00 o’clock, people were talking, probably planning things but at night and
the voices carry. Warren – I think it’s Warren, the owner, and Harry, would have
even put arborvitaes on my property. And they’re thinking that would really break
the sound better than a wall. So I don’t know what else I wanted to say but it’s just
been sad because it was built before the specifications.
President Toy asked if they offered to put some arborvitaes on your property, did
you say that?
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Prokopenko replied Warren did, he came on because from the sidewalk, it’s just
this blue, people walking by, you know property values are going to be effected.
President Toy asked if her main complaint is the blue, is that what I hear?
Prokopenko replied the closeness to this tunnel of cars to what was pretty
prestigious.
President Toy then asked Taormina what do they do in this case, Mr. Burke has
improved the area and yet there is some concern from the residents as to their
qualify of life on this particular site.
Taormina stated there’s probably a number of practices or things you could
undertake, that would include limiting the hours of operation to what we think is
reasonable, addressing some of the screening issues via landscaping has already
been discussed. Shielding the light fixtures as much as possible. Controlling the
sound level to something that is reasonable and she’s correct, the limit is 55 and I
know it was indicated that the reading was at 59 when all ten vacuums were
operating without vehicles there, so more than likely it’s going to be close to that
limit, but as long as it’s below that threshold then that is something that is permitted
by zoning ordinance. So, it’s been addressed in the resolution as best we can, we
don’t have the final landscaping plan, it’s really just something that is a condition
of approval, if between now and the voting meeting you’d like to see some of these
issues refined a little bit, more details relative to either sound levels or landscaping
maybe, that’s something that you can address between now and the voting
meeting.
President Toy thank Taormina for his suggestions.
Councilmember McIntyre stated she had one more question, at what point in the
work did we go from something that didn’t require a full site plan to requiring a full
site plan? That is still confusing. And earlier it was suggested maybe it was
Administration discretion, which I don’t have a problem with, you can’t be
prescriptive with everything. We didn’t change the use, right, we didn’t change the
exterior of the building, we don’t have any requirements, we just heard that the
number of vacuums maybe that’s something we need to look at with the new car
wash. And she is very empathetic to the residents’ issues, that they are now
looking at something very different than they were looking at before. At the same
time overall it is an improvement to an out of date facility.
Taormina replied that the most significant changes are clearly the pay station as
well as the additional vacuums and where they’re located on the property. The
other aspects are really similar to the way this site has operated for years. In terms
of the impact, they haven’t gone beyond the limits of the paved area. There was
some site work, they had to remove the pavement. There was some peripheral
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impact along the side of the property, maybe by five, six feet. It did not appear to
directly impact the stream, some of the discoloration could be caused from the
heavy rains we’ve had this season. They could install silt fencing along that area,
that can be stabilized when they do the final landscaping as well as seeding. So
there are some best management practices that can be undertaken along that east
side of the property to mitigate any possible impact to the creek. There’s been no
direct discharge into the creek from what I can tell.
Councilmember Meakin offered an approving resolution for the Regular Agenda.
Warren Radgens, 4445 Governor Bradford, Plymouth, came to the podium. He
stated he owns some of the Auto Lab, a percentage of it, and he owns the building
that we’re talking about. He said there’s been nobody touching anything with the
pavement as far as towards the creek. As a matter of fact, the old owner of the
facility, which was Dave, if we could pull up that one picture where we show the
work that he’s talking about, yes, in the back corner, right in that area. The way
the cars used to line up, and I bought this place in 2002, and I used to operate that
auto repair site, the cars used to line up all the way around that corner and they
would go all the way to Five Mile Road. We used to actually have trouble pulling
our cars out of the bay. So the way this gate is, it’s actually going to be less
intrusive on the creek because the cars would idle around that corner, I mean they
would sit there forever. There was a time that was probably two years ago, I called
the previous owner up and I was in line to get a car wash, I was in line for 55
minutes to get a car wash. That’s never going to happen again. People are going
to be coming through this pay gate, it opens up, let’s them in, and they leave,
there’s not going to be cars idling all the way around there. So it is quite a big
improvement, the building, of course, and the way it looks, and it’s a good asset to
the community. That’s all I have to say.
Jamie Burke came to the podium and stated as far as addressing the river, there
is nothing being dumped into that river from us, I just want to be really clear. And
everything is different than it was in 1970 washing cars, chemicals are different, all
biodegradable, it’s recycled, 85% of the water is reused. The previous owner
wasn’t reusing anything so we are on the cutting edge of making sure that the
environment is number one, we’re not going to be those guys. And like Warren
said, I have not touched that site, have not gotten close to the ravine, we’re not
doing anything to that river, it’s unnecessary for us to go back there, we don’t really
need that for part of our facility.
President Toy indicated what she heard them say was the canopy, that’s what she
heard the one woman say, and a couple other comments. I don’t think anybody
was saying you were dumping anything in the stream that I know.
Burke stated he had an inspector come and check on me one time and he said
that someone called on us saying that we were dumping things in the river, so I
just wanted to make it clear that we’re not doing that.
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President Toy stated they appreciate their improvements, it’s not that, I think some
people were taken a little by surprise, that’s all, all the work going on there. That’s
what I’m hearing. I’m going to go out and look at the site as well and see what’s
up.
DIRECTION: APPROVING REGULAR
AUDIENCE COMMUNICATION None.
As there were no further questions or comments President Toy adjourned the
Study Session at 9:44 p.m. on Monday, July 8, 2019.
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For the 1,877 Regular Meeting of July 22, 2019
DATED: July 12, 2019 SUSAN M. NASH, CITY CLERK
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