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CITY OF LIVONIA
PUBLIC HEARING
Minutes of Meeting Held on Monday, November 25, 2019
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A Public Hearing of the Council of the City of Livonia was held at the City Hall
Auditorium on Monday, November 25, 2019.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jim Jolly, Vice President
Scott Bahr
Brian Meakin
Brandon Kritzman
Cathy White
MEMBERS ABSENT: Laura Toy, President
Kathleen McIntyre
OTHERS PRESENT: Mark Taormina, Director of Economic Development
Paul Bernier, City Attorney
Sara Kasprowicz, Recording Secretary
The Public Hearing was called to order at 7:01 p.m. with Vice President Jim Jolly
presiding. This is a Public Hearing relative to the PETITION 2019-08-06-02 submitted
by the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council Resolution 293-19 and Section
23.01(a) of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance No. 543, as amended, proposing to amend
Section 18.42A of Article XVIII which regulates wireless communication facilities by
removing the governing of small cells and creating a new Section 18.42B, which would
oversee the rules and technology of small cells. This will be heard at the Regular
Council Meeting of December 16, 2019.
The Public Hearing is now open. There were twenty-nine people in the audience.
Jolly: Mr. Taormina do you want to kick this off here?
Taormina: I would be happy to, Mr. Vice President. This proposed language
amendment is intended to establish standards for regulating small cell
wireless facilities in compliance with recently enacted state law which—in
large part—preempts local authority over such uses. In July, City Council
enacted Chapter 6 of Title 12 of the Code of Ordinances for the purpose of
providing procedural rules and other standards directly related to small cell
wireless facilities. The proposed changes involving the Zoning Ordinance
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are twofold: 1, Section 18.42A would be amended to exclude small cell
wireless facilities from the rules currently applied to other forms of wireless
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communication facilities and 2, 18.42B would be added as a new section
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that would be specific to small cell applications. It is the intent of these
ordinances to provide the City with the maximum authority available under
the restrictions imposed by the new state law. From a land use
perspective, what primarily distinguishes small cell wireless facilities from
other forms of wireless communication is the size of the equipment. Small
cell wireless antennas and equipment are much smaller and operate
under different frequencies and technology that requires closer spacing
between the cells. The facilities are typically placed on shorter structures
such as existing utility poles or on dedicated new poles approximately 40
feet in height, as opposed to traditional cell towers which are 120 feet in
height. In terms of local zoning, the Small Wireless Communications
Facilities Deployment Act, or Public Act 365 of 2018, generally exempts
small cell wireless facilities from zoning review. Exceptions exist in cases
where the equipment exceeds a certain size, the height of a support pole
is above 40 feet, or the small cell adds more than 5 feet to the height of a
pole. Additionally, Act 365 imposes limits on fees that a City can charge,
as well as time restrictions. Because of this, the Ordinance assigns a
single authority responsible for reviewing applications, which is the City
Engineer. Aesthetics can be a considered in limited circumstances,
including where a small cell facility is proposed in a residential district,
within the PRDA district along Plymouth Road, or within an established
historic district. For this to occur, the City must establish written, objective
requirements for reasonable, technically feasible, nondiscriminatory, and
technologically neutral designs or concealment measures. Planning
Commission held a public hearing on this item and is recommending
approval of the language as prepared by the Law Department. With that
Mr. Chairman, I will be glad to answer questions.
Jolly: Thank you, Mr. Taormina. Councilwoman, White?
White: Question for either Mark or the City Attorney. Do we have any small cells
right now, in Livonia?
Taormina: We do. There are not a lot. The first round of applications came in a few
months ago. There have been a number of permits issued, but they
actual installation of those facilities has been a little slower than the
number of permits issued. There are handful of small cell facilities in place
currently.
White: Ok, and are they primarily on existing DTE poles or are you finding that
they’re on cell tower support structures, mostly? My understanding is that
they are generally on the utility poles.
Taormina: The majority of the installations to-date are on DTE-owned utility poles
within public rights-of-way.
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White: Ok, thank you.
Jolly: Mr. Bahr?
Bahr: Mark, you said there is a small number of these in the City now. I assume,
by the way I understand these function, that they require units to be close
together. That’s one of the features that I understand of 5G’s, in order to
communicate, they have to be closer together. So, are these in
concentrated areas, is there an area of the city that they’ve focused on,
and they are fanning it off from there or are they scattered?
Taormina: You know, I do not know the deployment strategy of the one company that
seems to be ahead of the other, that’s Verizon. There does not seem to be
any kind of pattern or concentration at this point, but there will probably be
a plan that will take shape at some later point in time.
Bahr: I’m educating myself on this one and maybe some of the people that are
here to speak tonight can educate me on this, but I’ll ask you for now. It
seems like if they’re scattered, they’re kind of worthless, right? I mean,
don’t you need the network for them to…
Taormina: I don’t know fully the technology and how they communicate with existing
cell towers, so again, this is kind of transitional right now, in terms of the
deployment of these new facilities, so I can’t answer that.
Bah: Another question. So, among the limited things that the state law allows us
to control, can you summarize what are the things contained within this
proposed ordinance that, what are the specifics that we’re looking to
control on this? I went through all the material, there is a ton here, so I
admit, I did not read the whole thing word for word, I was hoping
someone, either you or Paul could just summarize for me. Whether its
aesthetics or whether size, whatever, what are we asking to control in
this?
Taormina: Well, in terms of the physical application, the Engineering Department will
review applications and as long as they are consistent with the standards
and statute, the City is required to issue permits. There is a time limitation
for the review and the issuance of those permits. Where a tower exceeds
a certain height and in this case more than forty feet for a new application,
or if an existing structure is raised by a certain height above, I think that’s
five feet, the City may place additional restrictions or limit the height of the
extension of those facilities. Other than that, it’s very limited. Where we
have not seen any of these directly on Plymouth Road or we had one that
was proposed in a historic, or adjacent to a historic property, we were able
to successfully negotiate the relocation of that facility away from that
historical property. In the case of Plymouth Road and the PRDA, while we
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haven’t had the applications, it’s the intention to develop standards or
policy wherein any of these are new structures, to have those be
aesthetically compatible to some of the streetscape improvements that we
thought, the theme that we’ve developed along Plymouth Road. Probably
a black pole with the equipment being black to try to conceal it as much as
possible and be consistent with what’s there today.
Bahr: So that’s getting more along the lines of what I’m asking. I just found
language here, it says that the proposed language at minimum will provide
aesthetic considerations for small cell wireless facilities are in residential
zoning districts, PRDA or within historic districts. So, what I’m asking is,
are we specifying? When we say it provides for aesthetic considerations,
are we specifying right now what the aesthetic considerations are?
Taormina: No, we are not.
Bahr: Ok, so I didn’t miss it. That’s what I was asking.
Taormina: No, we do not have those standards. No.
Bahr: Ok, so we’re just saying we can do that. Would that be another action by
Council or Planning pushing to Council in the future to specify what those
things are or we leaving it at the discretion of the City Engineer to decide
what is appropriate for that?
Bernier: They want that, this time, at the discretion of the City Engineer. We have
real problems with this, because we, the state and the feds have taken
away most of our power on this and the more we try, we’ve regulated this
to the point that we believe we can’t go any further. As much as we would
love to, it’s the state and the feds that have told us that we cannot. So, we
have taken this as far as we possibly could in our views of what we could
regulate. Intentionally, we kind of left some of those open, so maybe we
could negotiate some of this. As Mr. Taormina said, we are able to
negotiate it away from one of the historic sites. That’s the hope is maybe
we, it gives us some room in order to obtain the results we want, when it
comes to the permitting.
Bahr: Ok, now is the City Engineer, does the statute for the state specify City
Engineer or is that just what we’ve said in order to meet the time
constraints they put on us?
Bernier: No, that’s what we have established.
Bahr: And then, I think my final question for now, the exception for PRDA in this
proposed ordinance change. Is that something that we requested or that
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the product of a general thing the state statute brought down or something
like that.
Bernier: I’ll let Mr. Taormina answer that.
Taormina: The latter. It’s my understand that the statute does make exceptions,
whether or not it specifically references DDAs, I don’t know, but it was the
opinion of Mike Fisher and I believe he worked with, through PROTEC
that it could be extended to at least a DDA or special planning area to
provide, and again, just aesthetic consideration.
Bahr: You can’t keep them from going there, we can just control it.
Taormina: And again, we are very limited. As I indicated, they have to be reasonable,
they have to be technically feasible, non-discriminatory and
technologically neutral. The signs are concealed so that we can’t do
anything that would prohibit them from being installed. We can just control,
maybe, some of the aesthetic features of the structures.
Bernier: It was actually pointed out that the ordinance that we were proposing was
done in conjunction with PROTEC, which is the organization that we
belong to that is fighting many of these things dealing with the state and
federal government trying to take away our power to regulate, so it is a
mild ordinance that a lot of the municipalities are looking at and will pass.
Bahr: Ok, thanks, I’m all set for now. Mr. Chair, thanks.
White: Mr. Chair, I have some more questions.
Jolly: Yes, Ms. White.
White: This question would be for probably Mr. Bernier. How does the idea of
controlling the aesthetics of these small cells gel with the language where
we state in the new ordinance that the Engineer, when evaluating the
proposal for the small cell is not permitted to look at any requirements
regarding the appearance of the facilities, including those relating to
materials used or arranging screening or landscaping. Shall be
reasonable, wait a second here, I might be misreading this. The Engineer
shall not evaluate or require an applicant to submit information about an
applicant’s business decisions with respect to any of the following. Then
as far as aesthetics, where business decision is presumed to be
reasonable when it comes to the appearance of the facilities. So, it sounds
like there’s a very strong presumption that whatever they choose to do in
terms of where they place these, how they look, local units of government
really, really restrict it in terms of trying to do things in that regard.
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Bernier: It’s extraordinarily restrictive on what we could do. Like I said, some of the,
we went as far as legally we can and maybe even on aesthetics, that will
be something that will get challenged on when we are looking at it and
making a decision on the permitting, but we will take that if it comes up. I
think that will be a consideration if we are trying to dictate too much of the
aesthetics but there are clearly those things that are just plain ugly that we
are going to fight and try to make as part of the permitting process. We
want to it to blend into as much as possible, the surrounding area.
White: I can appreciate the fact that we may, as a, one of the larger communities
in Southeastern Michigan try to push the envelope there and as the former
long-time chair of PROTEC, I know that PROTEC was formed in order to
protect the interest of local government from just getting, you know,
walked over, to put it mildly, from the telecommunications providers and
these facilities. No matter what they look like or whatever. Paul, are you
aware of any community that has taken on this issue or litigated it and if
so, what the result was?
Bernier: I am not aware of anyone that has actually litigated it and had a result on
it.
White: I mean, these are still fairly new.
Bernier: It’s all new, the technology is new and it’s going to take awhile before they
go through the system, before we find out what we can and actually can’t
get away with.
White: And as far as the health considerations of these, is that something that is
solely within the privy of the federal government?
Bernier: As much as this Council would like to take that into consideration, and I
know every member of this Council would like to take that into
consideration, the federal government, the state government, has taken
that power away from your consideration in this matter.
White: That was my understanding, as much as we would like to entertain
thoughts and arguments about that, we don’t have the authority to say that
small cell cannot go into a particular location within the city of Livonia
because we are concerned what kind of emissions are generated by this.
Bernier: Absolutely. That’s absolutely true, I know every member of this Council
was concerned about that. The fact of the matter is, you don’t have the
authority to do anything about it. That’s completely up to the state and the
federal government. They’ve preempted it, they’ve taken away your power
to do anything with the health and safety.
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White: And, the only other question, or comment I have is, the shot clock for
approving applications being thirty days is so tremendously short in terms
of the way government operates in our public hearing process and all of
that. So, that’s why the City Engineer is the front line, the one that
primarily has the initial review of these.
Bernier: When we looked at it, we thought, who knows the most about it in the city
and that’s clearly the City Engineer and also has the access to public
planning and the Law Department in case there is a problem that comes
up with it. We needed to have someone with that short period of time, so
the thought process when we drafted this was, the best person for this, is
the City Engineer. Obviously, the City Engineer is going to get direction
from the Mayor, the Council on this process.
White: And these are always above ground, correct?
Bernier: Yes.
White: That’s it, thank you.
Jolly: Ok, we’re going to have one comment from Mr. Meakin and then we will
go to audience communication.
Meakin: Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the Chair of the Legal Department, Paul, do we,
whether we approve or deny this ordinance, do we lose any standing
because of that decision?
Bernier: If we deny this ordinance, we have put ourselves in a terrible situation on
these ordinances. I believe, if we don’t pass this ordinance, then you are
really allowing telecommunications industry to do whatever they want in
your right of way. That’s the fear when we have.
Meakin: Thank you.
Jolly: Let’s go to audience communication. Ok so we have a healthy crowd here
tonight for audience communication. We’re going to as that you take note
that there are other people that want to speak to this item here tonight.
There are two podiums, obviously, one on either side of the room. When
you approach the podium, please make sure to sign in with your name
and address, please also state clearly your name and address for the
record so your comments can be properly attributed to you. When
possible, I will be alternating from side to side. With that being said, we’ll
go to the young lady over here. ma’am, what’s your name please?
Bixler: My name is Hannah Bixler.
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Jolly: Ok, what would you like to tell us, Hannah?
Bixler: About the bees, how the 5G cell tower is hurting them. Hello, my name is
Hannah. I am eight years old. I am here to talk about the 5G cell tower
and how it is affecting the bees. Bees have important jobs to do. Bees
pollinate flowers to help the vegetables and fruit grow. They also make
honey, which is important to people because honey is good for eating, for
sore throats, for allergies and for coughs. In order to do this, the bees go
and collect pollen and fly flower to flower spreading it as they go. The
problem is, when the bees fly through the active signal, it causes the bees
to get confused and the bees can’t figure out how to get home, then the
bees die. Bees are very important to Michigan because if the bees were
gone, there would be no fruit, no vegetables and no honey. That would be
sad. Bees need to pollinate and if we don’t have that, what would we do?
I’m shocked that you are not testing out the 5G cell tower and studying it
first like other places are. That scares me. Thank you.
Jolly: Well done, thank you, ma’am.
White: Mr. Chair. Can I ask you, how old are you? Eight?
Bixler: Yes, I am eight.
White: I see a budding political future for you, my dear. Thank you for coming and
sharing your thoughts, you are brave to do that. I know there are a lot of
adults can’t do what you did. Congratulations.
Bixler: Thank you.
Jolly: Good evening, ma’am. Please state your name and address for the
record.
Middaugh: Rachel Middaugh, 19488 Osmus. I am here to speak about 5G. For those
of you who haven’t researched it yet, the small cells’ radio frequency for
5G is between 24 to 90GHz frequencies, whereas, 3 and 4G operates at
1-6GHz. 5G is designed to deliver concentrated and focused
electromagnetic radiation up to 100 times more than the current levels. In
2011, the WHO classified wireless as a group 2B carcinogen. The US and
Canada, the highest safety limits, compared to other countries. The US
and Canada safety limit is 61.5 volts per meter while the limit in countries
like Russia, China, Italy and Switzerland is 6 volts per meter, that’s quite
the contrast. While the industry and the government would have you belief
EMFs were safe, there are over 1000 studies and scientific research that
shows EMFs can increase cancer risks, immunogenic effects, they
prevent healing and can increase hormonal changes, alter brain
development, cause neurological symptoms, sleep problems, sperm
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damage, headaches, dizziness and more. There’s also research showing
the negative environmental effects will include a drastic decline our bird
and bee populations like Miss Hannah just spoke about. Not to mention,
all the trees they will be required to be cut down because 5G, in order to
access the community, they have to be between 200 and 500 feet apart or
else it’s not going to work. So, we’re going to have them in our back
yards. Our trees are going to be cut down and we’re going to be exposed
24-7. I’m asking that you do everything in your power to fight for the
citizens of Livonia. Protect us from this unwanted and unnecessary RF
radiation. We don’t need 5G, fiber optics is faster and more reliable. Allow
safe technology, reject unsafe and untested technologies. The federal
government and the state government is leading you to believe you have
no control. I don’t believe that’s true. Local governments do have authority
to impose procedural requirements and other cities across this country
have successfully done this. With all due respect, I think the ordinance
needs to be adjusted and added onto. There are things you can add on to
protect us, such as, you can prohibit the cell installation in residential
areas. Require installations to be a certain distance away from residents
or schools. You already talked about the aesthetics, personally, I don’t
care about that. I just don’t want in our back yard. You can require annual
recertification fees. You can reserve the right to hire independent
consultants. You can consider passing a moratorium and you can appoint
a committee to study the viability of a fiber optic network. So, there are
things I believe that can be added to this before you pass it to keep us
safe. Thank you for your consideration and for looking out for the health
and well-being of the residents of Livonia.
Jolly: Ok, with all due respect, this is a public hearing, we are recording this as
well. As much as you appreciate the comments and the positions being
cheered by everybody, I ask that you refrain from applauding at this time.
Mr. Bahr, I wanted to through some of these people.
Bahr: Can I ask the Attorney something about what was just stated?
Jolly: Sure.
Bahr: Ok. Mr. Bernier, two things were mentioned there. Your understanding of
the statute, do we have the authority to specify a certain distance away
from residents, schools, hospitals, etcetera. Do we have the authority to
prohibit this in residential areas, certain streets, there were many other
things mentioned but let’s just take those two.
Benier: Mike Fisher, I’ll be honest with you, took the lead on this, and it’s my
understanding after talking to Mike, that he drafted this as aggressively as
we could address it. The fear is, what is a residential street? 6 Mile, three
houses away from being a residential street? That’s still a residence. So, I
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don’t think you’re going to be able to get it away from residential. It’s one
of the kind of things that’s clearly if we’re given more power later on by the
state or the feds, we can then always amend our ordinance in compliance
with that. Until that time, we’re trying to establish a pattern as Mr. Meakin
said so it isn’t the Wild West in the meantime. The fear is, if we do nothing
today, we have no power to stop them or do anything at all until we have
an ordinance. So, while then, in the future, we may have the authority to
do it, it’s our belief that it would be a mistake for the City because in the
meantime, you would have them popping up everywhere.
Bahr: Ok, and just one quick comment, just to reinforce what the Chairman had
said a minute ago. For those that aren’t always here, the request to not
applaud, that’s actually normal procedure for us. I think we were all willing
to let it go earlier under the circumstances, because we all wanted to
applaud the young lade that was here, but, that’s nothing unique about
tonight. We just typically refrain from that in this forum. So, thanks.
Jolly: Thank you. ma’am, please state your name and address.
Prush: My name is Kaytlin Prush and my address is 9090 Lathers Street. I have
recently researched 5G cell towers because I’ve heard them being
discussed and you can’t always, nowadays, believe everything you hear in
conversation. I found out that while many people lead you to believe
they’re completely safe and only in the interest of improving our
technology, that is completely untrue. As the two speakers before me
have said, 5G cell towers have negative environmental impacts and
negative health impacts. One of the many studies that Mrs. Middaugh
mentioned, they tested them on animals, and they were, I think something
like, 9 out of 10 of the animals that were tested developed cancer at some
stage during their study. If that happens to animals, then what will happen
to us? I respect all of you and I just ask that if you guys are truly in the
interest of the citizens of Livonia, that you would consider this because,
just risking all of these health factors with us is something that I don’t think
is worth it, even if it will increase the standing with Livonia with the state.
Thank you for your consideration and thank you for your time.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Mr. Colbeck, your name and address please?
P. Colbeck: Ok, thank you very much. Patrick Colbeck, I am actually a resident of
Canton, but I also appreciate the fact of Livonia’s motto as Families First
and I am here on behalf of my families, which both my in-laws and my dad
actually still live here in Livonia, so, on behalf of all families of Livonia, I
think this is a pretty important issue. One that I did not come to address
very lightly. Many of you guys know from my time representing you as
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State Senator for the 7 District, that my background is actually in
aerospace engineering, I used to do cabling design in the international
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space station. I’m pretty tech-savvy and I’m also familiar with the policy
side, particularly this policy surrounding this particular issue. I was very
vocal in opposition of this legislation and I not come to that decision lightly
because I’m a techy at heart. I’ve got pretty much every electronic device
that’s been rolled out ever since the T-I33 calculator, so I love technology,
and this isn’t a case of that. There are benefits associated with this
technology, but what doesn’t get discussed adequately, I think, are some
of the risks. The risks are fairly significant. You’re going to hear a lot of
folks talk about the adverse health impacts, I can tell you I was dragged,
kicking and screaming to that realization, but the more you study it, the
more it’s very true. My wife, who is a Pediatrician can come and talk about
that a little bit later. I didn’t want to believe it, but I’ve seen tangible
evidence to that fact, and I’ve had one of my last acts as State Senator
was to hold a forum, featuring international experts on this topic. We’re
talking about benefits and risks and I can tell you I had the person that
was a lead scientist on the study, a fourteen-year study, twenty-five million
dollar study and there is clear evidence of carcinogenic effects, i.e.,
cancer associated with cell towers. This is cell towers on steroids. Instead
of a cell tower every one or two miles, you going to have it every two to
ten homes. So, please understand, I don’t come to this issue lightly, but I
wanted to get up a little bit early, I know a lot of people have to leave
somewhat early and address specifically, the assertion that there’s nothing
we can do about it from a local level. That’s not true. Now, I agree that the
legislation was designed to make you feel that way. I totally understand
that, but there’s an old expression, where there’s a will there’s a way.
Now, there are specific points that I would like to point out that you can
take action on in this legislation, right now. Number one deals with federal
legislation. There’s federal legislation that can be engulfed in context that
supersedes the provisions of the 1996 Telecom Act, which is what’s
typically referred to as Comm Tax. There’s something called the ADA,
Americans with Disabilities Act and there’s also the federal Fair Housing
Act as well. Both of those ensure that people have a safe environment in
which to live. Fact of the matter is, over 3.2% of the community here, is
electrosensitive, which is going to have some adverse health impacts
associated with this. I’m afraid that the state legislature has pushed you
into a bit of a pickle here, because what they’re essentially giving you the
choice to do, what the federal government has done, is essentially set you
off against the Telecom Act and the ADA, and your kind of in a bit of a
bind here. I can tell you from a risk-management perspective, that the risk
this community fiscally and long term risks are going to be significantly
greater when you have people who claim damages against adverse health
impacts than you would for failure to comply with the Telecom Act. So
that’s one point in consideration that I’d like to point out. The next thing
that I’d like to point out is around the state statute. There are two specific
sections that I’d like you to take notes on right now, one is Section 15,
Subsection 2B that allows you to go off and ensure that these Telecom
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installers are actually in compliance with FCC guidelines. Now I don’t
believe that the FCC guidelines are sufficient, but I think they should at
least be held accountable for compliance with those guidelines. There’s
multiple things you can do, first of all, you can require reports and
inspections either monthly or quarterly from the telecoms on their
installations and verifying that if all usage periods and non-usage periods,
they are in full compliance with the FCC guidelines in regards to power
density in the laws. The other thing you can go off and do is charge them
a fee for the independent verification and validation associated with that.
They have a tendency, it’s been done in Europe, if you look up something
called phone gape, they’ll say that they’re in compliance with the specs on
cell phones, for example, but guess what? They weren’t in compliance
with it. You need to hold them accountable, so if you’re truly concerned
about the health and well-being of the families here in Livonia, you can
hold them accountable by making sure they are in compliance with the
quote, unquote, thermal-based, at least, FCC guidelines on emissions.
The last thing you can go off and do is dealing with Section 29, and by the
way, when I say Section 15, Subsection 2B and Section 29, that’s a Public
Act 365 2018. So, Section 25 allows for you to go off and require
insurance, insurance from the telecommunication installers to indemnify
the citizens of Livonia from any lawsuits associated with these adverse
health impacts or failure to comply with the ADA and the FHA. So, there
are some very tangible things you can do. Now, I agree that the legislation
is designed so that you are told that there is nothing that you can go off
and do, and sure enough, if you read the abstract and you read the initial
sections of the law, that’s exactly what it says, but if you keep on reading,
and you understand that there is an opportunity to hold them accountable
to their own standards, you have an opportunity to act. So, please go off
and look into that. The reason why Section 15 Subsection 2B is so
important, because all of their exemptions under the Act were aligned on
their compliance with FCC guidelines. If they don’t do that, all their other
protections fall apart just like a kerplunk when you pull that kerplunk stick,
everything else falls apart. So, there is something you can do, don’t take
the standard party line on this stuff. There is something you can do and I
will, for the sake of my families in the City of Livonia and the sake of all
families in Livonia, that you guys set yourself up as a model for the whole
state and frankly, for the whole country if you go off and safe-guard the
best interest of our citizens, thank you very much for your time.
Jolly: Thank you. Mr. Bahr.
Bahr: Mr. Colbeck, thank you. You gave us a lot there, I have just one, specific
question for now. When you talk about holding the installers accountable
for being in compliance with FCC guidelines, obviously, there is a cost to
that.
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P. Colbeck: Yes.
Bahr: I would think if that’s a requirement for them, as you just stated that the
FCC is following that, the federal government is following up on that. Can
you elaborate a little bit on that, I mean, why would this, while it may make
sense, why would it be the City’s responsibility to check and make sure
the federal government is doing its job? All sarcastic comments, held for
now, please.
P. Colbeck: First of all, when was the last time you seen and FCC inspector going
around the City of Livonia to go off and ensure compliance with FCC
guidelines? When was the last time you seen that? Ultimately, all politics
is local, I mean the compliance with the ordinance that your passing
makes you complicit and the acceptance in what is being proposed here
from my perspective and from a lot of other perspectives, so we have to
be, you have to do your due diligence. I mean, everybody took that oath of
office and you gotta go off and respect it. Michigan Constitution Article 4,
Section 51, which we all swore to go off and uphold, that primary concern
of us as elected officials, is supposed to be the safety and health of our
citizens and so with the idea that they are going to be held accountable for
compliance with existing FCC guidelines, it gives them special privileges
to go off and supersede local control and local privileges, I think is pretty
important upon all of us and incumbent upon us to go off and pursue that.
So, I hope that helps, but we do have latitude and any time you put in an
ordinance, you have to go off and ensure compliance with it. Here’s a way
a lot of the pushback that I’ve gotten from local units of government is
always on the fee structures associated with Article 637. I’m telling you,
this is an opportunity. If you are really concerned about fees and holding
them accountable and covering the cost going off and monitoring
compliance with this, you do have latitude to go off and number one,
require insurance, number two, go off and insert fees in there for
independent verification/validation that they’re in compliance with the FCC
guidelines.
Bahr: Thanks, Mr. Chair.
White: Mr. Chair, I have a question, a couple for Mr. Colbeck.
Jolly: Sure, Ms. White.
White: Are we limited on the amount of fee?
P. Colbeck: I haven’t seen any limits specified, I’m sure there’s a reasonable constraint
that it delves into some other areas, but they do have specific limits on
fees around permitting for this, but that doesn’t necessarily apply to your
fees around report requirement and requiring them to provide reports and
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requiring them to provide fees to cover us to validate that they are in
compliance with the law. So, there is an opportunity to push back in that
realm.
White: I mean, I can see us requiring reports from the providers but then we are
relying on their information, so the only way to know if there’s any question
about those is to get an independent evaluator and I imagine those
scientists are expensive. Typically, what I see in this area is that anytime
local government wants to impose some sort of fee, our hands are tied, or
at least there’s a limit to what we can impose. I’m thinking that if there are
limits here, it’s not going to necessarily cover our cost to hire an expert to
look at those reports and determine if the information is true and factual.
P. Colbeck: Well, I’ll tell you, there is specific language, Section 15, Subsection 2B, if
you’d like here, and granted, I’m getting a little old, so we don’t know how
long I can make my arm here but the bottom line is, you are giving
authority specifically to hold them accountable for compliance with the
FCC guidelines, so that gives you a certain degree of latitude on how you
actually go off and enable that. In order for you ensure and hold them
accountable for that compliance, you may need to increase and levy a fee
to ensure that they are in compliance. So, I think you got the latitude. If
this isn’t the standard permitting fee associated with doing it, not
(inaudible) or anything else. That’s what’s specifically called out in the
legislation. This is outside the box on that and you got an opportunity to
make some waves here.
Jolly: Thank you. So, we’re gonna hear from these three people here on the
right-hand side, who have been waiting since the very beginning of the
meeting, I believe. ma’am, can you tell us your name and address please?
Prush: Hi, I’m Sheri Prush, 9090 Lathers Street. I have a family in Livonia, four
girls and three of them are medically fragile. One of them, you heard
speaking. I love that she doesn’t speak on her own behalf for that, but I
will. I am fairly concerned with 5G and the power behind these small cell
towers. The closeness, the fact that even if I opt not to buy 5G cell phones
or anything in my home, I don’t have a choice and it scares me. I hear
what you are saying for cost and what can we do and I’m praying for you
guys every day that you’ll find a way to do something. I have a little girl at
home who already goes to Burger in Inkster and the littlest things affect
her. 5G towers outside my house, my life will be miserable, her life will be
even worse. She can’t tell me how bad the headaches will be, she can’t
tell me about the sleepless nights, I know about the sleepless nights,
because I’ll be up there with her, but there’s no reassurance for families
like mine who have kids or adults in the house who just can’t, they can’t
withstand this. There’s no reassurance for us. I came to Livonia, I moved, I
left my home in Madison Heights, I came here for the schools and the
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community. I came her for families first and this is the second time I have
spoke on this issue and I hear what you’re saying, that you guys feel that
your hands are tied, but I do believe that if there’s a will, there’s a way and
I’m just praying that you guys look for it. I’m praying that you put in the
language, all that you can, I hear a lot of ‘well I didn’t’, ‘that wasn’t my
area’, or you know, ‘this is what they told me to say,’ that’s not good
enough for me. That’s not good enough for my family. I need you guys to,
I’ve trusted, I’ve been to the City Council many times for other things, but I
trust that you’re doing what you can for your citizens and I really just hope
that you’ll do that in this situation too. That you won’t sit back and just say
‘well, my hands are tied’ because its gonna be me, it’s gonna be the same
citizens coming back saying ‘look what happened’ and you’re gonna have
to look me in the eye and say ‘sorry, my hands were tied, sucks to be you.’
I just don’t think I can take much more of that where my kids are
concerned and I’d really like to have some faith in my City Council, here,
doing that research, digging in deep, at least you can look at me and say ‘I
made an informed decision.’ So, that’s what I’m asking for, I’d like you
guys to make an informed decision. Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Good evening, ma’am, please state your name and
address for the record.
Cochenour: Good evening, my name is Diane Cochenour, I live at 9090 Lathers
Street. I am the mother and grandmother of the two ladies that just spoke,
and I am strongly opposed to 5G. It’s very scary and for the vicinity of
those towers and we’ll be the collateral damage. Also, I would like for you
to seek out these communities that are already implementing 5G and
maybe get some feedback, find out the pros, the cons, the language that
they used to protect us. I’m praying that you’re going to do what is best for
the citizens of Livonia. I trust that you will do your homework. Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Good evening sir, please state your name and
address for the record.
Gonzales: Frank Gonzales, I live in Plymouth but a friend of mine is here and lives in
Livonia and my son and my two grandsons live in Livonia, so I’m speaking
on their behalf. As the young lady stated the effect on the bees, actually, I
wanted to add that 35% of our food supply is dependent upon bees. Then
there was a UK video where a gentleman was pointing out the fact that
half a tree, the side that was facing the 5G antenna was dead. Bark was
coming off. The other half that was facing away from it was perfectly
healthy. So, it not only going to affect us, it’s going to affect, you know, the
insects, the birds, in fact, there was a you tube video from the
Netherlands, where they turned on 5G system as an experiment and
hundreds of birds fell from the sky, dead. So, it’s really going to mess up
our environment and us too. Another interesting thing is that a couple of
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months ago, a Senator here, I think it was Senator Blumenthal. He asked
the big wigs from the communication industry, he said ‘how much money
have you spent determining whether this is healthy for our, it’s not
adversely, adverse to the health of people’ and the answer was zero. They
have spent no money at all and its obvious that the reason they’ve spent
no money is because they knew if they did, they would agree with all of
the independent studies that say it’s damaging. You can go on you tube
and type in 5G dangers. A whole bunch of videos will come up, done by
doctors, researchers, regular people. In fact, there was one where a lady
who worked at one the airports where they installed a full body scan with
5G. She was perfectly healthy until they installed that. Within, I don’t know,
a year or so, she had cancer and she noted that twenty-eight other people
who work with her have it at the airport or came down with some very
serious illnesses, cancer, being the most. She said some of those people
are young people and they are still getting cancer. That reminds me,
there’s an interesting information on the internet about carrying cell
phones in your back pocket. A friend of mine has diverticulitis and she has
to get a colonoscopy every couple of years and the last time that she was
getting one, the receptionist told her she has seen a lot of young people
coming in here with colon cancer. I looked up statistics. Colon cancer is an
over-50 kind of disease, not a, you know, late teens early twenties.
There’s a second page of my handout is different power densities and how
they affect human health and at the very bottom, it says that the US and
Canada standard, all these negative affects on people’s health displayed
is six or less, OK, the US and Canada and some other developed nations,
their standard is six hundred to a thousand. So, if you to any person of
authority and say ‘gee I’m sick, blah, blah, blah’ they’re gonna say ‘well,
sorry, it meets the standards.’ You know, which, standards are way higher
than they should be. Let’s see, what else. Oh, I’d just like to mention that
Mill Valley, California has restricted cell phone tower 5G installations. I
actually contacted them and they have something like a thirty-eight page
document where they try to take as much control over it as possible. I was
actually in contact, I think it was the attorney for the city. She sent me the
document in the email, I guess I’ll just forward it to you guys. You can
have it. Maybe you will see something in there that can help get as much
control of this situation as possible. Thank you very much.
Jolly: Thank you, sir. Good evening, sir, please state your name and address.
E. Martin: Yes, my name is Ed Martin, I’m a resident of Livonia for over 40 years. My
address is 18525 Southhampton Street. The last couple of years, I been
having a-fib, my wife has a-fib, so I went through my house and tried to go
ahead and get rid of the wi-fi. I went ahead and called DTE and get rid of
my smart meter so I gotta pay extra money so they can read my meter. I
went through all of this effort because of the fact we’re trying to reduce the
amount times that we have a-fib. I don’t know if you guys know anybody
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that has a-fib, but pretty much almost everybody that I know that’s my age
has a-fib, so, the key is, is that going ahead and doing this wireless 5G,
you know, this 5G, you’re going to stick this in my yard? I don’t want it in
my yard. So, you gotta consider the people out there, you know, just
because the federal government says something, or the state government
says something, if there’s a way to go ahead and ensure our safety it
certainly would be appreciated, thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, sir. Good evening, ma’am, please state your name and
address.
Ciavaglia: Amy Ciavaglia, 18997 Gary Lane. This is the second time I have spoken
about 5G. When I found out about it in August, I never even heard of it.
When I started researching out facts, it has been keeping me up at night
thinking about the effects its gonna have on my family. I have two
daughters, my youngest has special needs and she’s effected by the
amount of radiation. We have to limit her screen time, big time or we see
negative effects on her behavior-wise, development, mentally,
academically, you name it. You know, I grew up in Livonia, I worked for
Livonia schools for years, I’m choosing to raise my family in Livonia and
I’ve always thought Livonia is a great place to raise a family. I feel like,
how can you raise a family if you have this cell tower, you know the cells,
small cell right in front of your house, I mean if I wake up and I find there’s
a light post right in front of my house and I keep thinking, ok, one day, my
rights are going to be taken away from me, you know, and I’m gonna have
this in front of my house, against my will, whose gonna be the first one in
my house to get sick? You know? I am a very health-conscious person,
we don’t do chemicals in our house, my daughter is on a very specific diet,
we are very cautious with everything we use and everything we do. I feel
like that is my right to keep my family healthy and if there’s small cell in
front of my house, behind my house, you know, near my kid’s school, I
feel like my rights to keep my family healthy have been take away from
me. I really hope and pray that you guys find a way to protect the citizens
of Livonia. There has to be a way, you know, there has to be something
that we can do because other cities, other states are doing it. We don’t
know enough about it, well we do, just, nobody’s acknowledging it. You
know, we need to look at, you know, records of people that are
experiencing hazardous health effects from it already. We need to look at
that and we need to consider what’s the next step, what can we do to
protect the City of Livonia? Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you. Good evening, ma’am, state your name and address for us.
A. Colbeck: Yes, I am Dr. Angie Colbeck, I live in Canton, but I grew up in Livonia and
I have a lot of family, a lot of friends in Livonia and so I’m here to
encourage you to join with other cities in the United States that are
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passing ordinances to restrict 5G due to the adverse health impacts from
wireless radiation, including, but not limited to cancer and DNA damage. I
am a retired, board-certified Pediatrician and I also study hospital
molecular epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public
Health. Wireless radiation acts at a cellular level and therefore, results in
extensive adverse health impacts. I have been reviewing a study showing
the impacts wireless radiation on our health and there are now thousands
of studies in the medical literature showing the following adverse health
impacts due to wireless radiation. Cancer, oxidative damage, DNA
damage, DNA repair failure, cardiac arrhythmias and other effects on the
heart muscle as well as blood pressure and vascular effects. ADHD,
behavioral disorders and learning difficulties, sleep disturbances and
memory loss. Changes involving the actual blood-brain barrier and effects
on the neuron firing rate in EEG. Disruptive immune function and change
in stress proteins and reproductive and fertility impacts. To see a
compendium of these over thirty-six hundred studies in the medical
literature, I encourage you to visit the following websites, bioinitiative.org,
mdsafetech.org, ehtrust.org and babysafeproject.org as well as many
others. Hundreds of doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm
regarding the adverse health impacts of wireless radiation, including the
American Academy of Pediatrics. In addition, a recent, large $25M study
conducted by the FDA also feels that wireless radiation causes cancer
and DNA damage. With all of this in mind, we should be joining other cities
to protect our citizens from the massive amounts of wireless radiation that
5G would be exposing our citizens to. 5G is not like going from 3G to 4G.
5G, because it operates at a much higher frequency, requires hundreds of
thousands of new wireless radiation transmitters to be placed. Ask
yourself this question. How many of you would choose next to a cell tower
if you had a choice? If 5G is deployed, you have no choice. When 5G is
fully deployed, estimates are that wireless radiation transmitters will be
places every two to ten houses. Now listen carefully to this. They are
deploying 5G with no safety testing, no regulation and no safety
guidelines. There have been no test to show it’s safe, yet people are being
forced to have the wireless radiation transmitters in front of their house.
This is in spite of the fact that as far back as the 1970’s, the US Navy
examined this technology and found there to be serious health hazards.
Having a 5G wireless radiation transmitter in front of your home will
massively increase your radiation exposure and you will be exposed
twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty-five
days a year. Children and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to the
negative health impacts. The telecom industry has too much influence
over our federal and state legislators, thankfully, you can make a huge
impact at the local level. As a physician and a previous Livonia resident
with a lot of friends and family in Livonia, I’m asking you to join other cities
in the United States in restricting 5G. Let’s especially keep 5G away from
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our neighborhoods and away from our schools. Let’s keep our friends and
families healthy. Thank you.
Jolly: Mr. Meakin.
Meakin: Dr. Colbeck, what cities have restricted it so far.
A. Colbeck: I can go ahead and send you, if you go to ehtrust.org, they have just
ordinance after ordinance after ordinance and they’re hitting it from all
different areas. Like he said, where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Meakin: But none in Michigan so far?
A. Colbeck: Actually, they’re working on it in Grand Rapids. You know we have
Michigan cities that are working on it right now too. This is all new, but
they’re all saying ‘well, we don’t want it in the neighborhood, we don’t want
it in the schools.’ They’re trying many different ways to go ahead and find
the loopholes. We need to find loopholes; we can’t let them do this to for
families.
Meakin: Thank you.
A. Colbeck: You’re welcome.
Bahr: Mr. Chair?
Jolly: Mr. Bahr.
Bahr: Question regarding to Colbeck. One of the things that I noticed, came in
our materials that were provided to us, where they’re explaining just the
physical attributes of these antennas. I understand that there is a warning
sign that is required to be placed four to six feet below the antennas
warning of radio frequency fields exceeding FCC rules for units of
exposure. Just because I know you are knowledgeable on this topic, can
you tell me why those are place four to six feet below the antennas versus
at the bottom of the pole where people can see them? I’m not asking that
to be funny, I’m asking because is that insinuating that the risk is just
within the four to six-foot radius on one of these things or…can you
answer my question?
A. Colbeck: That, I don’t know that, but you have to know that its going to be
penetrating your house, right, because its right in front, so the whole point
of it is that it goes through you walls and if you actually took a look to see
what happens to children’s brains, especially with wireless radiation, it’s a
nightmare. It’s a nightmare, what we are seeing with the MRIs.
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Bahr: Well, let’s assume all that is true, and while you are well-studied on this,
what I’m trying to understand is, and if you don’t know the answer to this,
it’s fine, but some of the diagrams that were given to us here, show tall
telephone poles with the antenna at the top with these warning signs for to
six feet below that. That could never be seen from the ground. What I’m
just trying to understand, and if you don’t know, its fine, it’s a question that
I have. Pat’s raising his hand, but if you know, come on up, I’d love to ask
you. That warning sign, common sense would say ‘well, it’s four to six feet
below because that’s where you’re in danger’ and so I’m just asking
somebody that’s still studying all of this. As just a resident, I would look
and say ‘oh, well then maybe I’m not in danger at ground level.’
A. Colbeck: Oh, no, you’re in danger. In Switzerland, for instance, if you look up
Switzerland 5G, some of the first injuries are coming out now. Actually,
they had thousands of people protesting in the streets. They put one
hundred and twenty in, fairly close together and if you look under
physicians for safe technology, the people started getting many of the
symptoms that I just described for all the thirty-six hundred studies. They
started getting severe headaches, tinnitus and chest pain and they started
coming into the doctors and the doctors are ‘what is going on here’ and it’s
the same day they flipped the 5G on. So, it was fairly concentrated, there
were one hundred and twenty they turned on all at once. People are
already getting sick, that’s all I can tell you. Maybe my husband can
answer that more specific, but its dangerous, we don’t want it.
Bahr: Mr. Chair, if it is ok with you, if there’s a specific answer to that question,
I’d be…
Jolly: Well, with all due respect, this lady is first and if he wants to approach the
podium, he is free to do so.
I’d be happy for him to first.
A. Colbeck: Ok, so he can answer but ultimately, it penetrates the house, just like all
forms, so it’s not that, just because you’re not standing in front of it, it’s still
gonna impact you. Actually, that particular frequency is currently being
used in the military as active denial system, you know, for crowd control.
It’s actually being used in a higher frequency, but the fact, if you think
about this really, think about this for a second, as a physician, I cannot
believe they’re doing this. Putting it in front of every two to ten homes with
no safety studies, with all of this information in medical literature showing
all these damaging impacts its having already, this is insane. This is
because the FCC, who is in charge of this, is a lobbying industry for the
telecoms, they’re not looking out for you, they’re looking out for the
telecom industry. That’s why you guys, we need you to stand with the
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other cities doing this, because, you know, we just need you to stand.
Thank you.
Jolly: Please state your name for the record, sir.
P. Colbeck: Patrick Colbeck. To that point, it drops off exponentially, so the power
density levels, and that the FCC guidelines right now only specify based
on power density levels. It drops off at algorithmic rate and so they say
that its back within safe guidelines, within four to six feet, or whatever, of
the transmitter. By the way, those FCC guidelines are only based on
thermal issues, they’re not based on non-thermal so that’s still not a good
standard, but that’s what they’re based on.
Bahr: I did read that. That just, exploring the issue here. Its for anybody in
general on that, this goes for anybody, don’t necessarily interpret our
questions as advocacy one way or the other, I’m just trying to explore this.
Would that fly in the face of the notion that we’re in danger in our homes,
that are, maybe, fifty, seventy, a hundred feet away from this.
P. Colbeck: Not at all because the effects that they have documented, I mean right
now, one of the testimonies dealt with the fact that our current FCC
standards are hoards of magnitudes above what you would normally see
of adverse health impacts, so other countries, and actually I’ve got some
white paper that I can hand out to you, my wife and I put together that
gives a companion of studies around the world or whatever, if you go off
and look at that, what we find out, is our standards are so high, they’re still
see adverse health impacts at the nominal usage levels that you see with
5G systems. By the way, if you wanna see the details on this, go to
warninginmichigan.com, scroll down until you get to wireless radiation. I’ve
got a link to the tech forum that we exhibited, and you’ll get that
information and more.
Jolly: Thank you.
Bahr: I said thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening, ma’am, state your name and
address please.
Melabiotis: Irene Melabiotis, 19758 Norwich Road. I’m a proud Livonia resident of
seven years, I’m a wife and a mother of one and one on the way. I love
this city and all it has to offer my family, but I’ll be honest with you, if 5G
rolls out, I’d be very scared to even stay in my home, I’d probably move
out and I know I’m not the only one that feels this way, in fact, there are
studies to show that the 5G right outside of the homes actually decreases
property values because people don’t want to live next to cell phone
towers. So, that’s neither here nor there, it’s definitely something to
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consider, so I live a good distance from the nearest cell phone tower by
choice, with 5G technology, I’m afraid I won’t even have a choice as to the
amount of radiation that’s going to be exposed on me and my family. As
has been indicated by Dr. Colbeck, the most vulnerable of our society are
our small children, whose developing brains are most susceptible to the
radiation and damage it causes. They’ve been finding that in children,
specifically, it actually impacts their behavioral center of the brain. Not to
mention, the massive amount of evidence that indicates that DNA damage
occurs, DNA breaks, which limits the body’s ability to repair damaged
cells, which leads to things like cancer and other diseases like that. The
blood-brain barrier gets disabled when you have radiation, in fact they use
EMFs to treat individuals that have tumors so they can get in the brain
and treat the tumor. So, it opens that blood-brain barrier which should be
closed, because it will allow pathogens in it and the pathogens can wreak
havoc, especially on children’s brains. So, there’s so much that needs to
be said and there’s not much time to say it but suffice it to say that its
been said that the FCC is a captured agency, I’m sure you’ve heard this
before. The head of the FCC right now used to be a lawyer at Verizon, so
obviously that’s a major conflict of interest. The FCC guidelines have not
been updated in over twenty-three years, I believe, if I am not mistaken.
That’s a huge oversight because back then, we didn’t have as much
exposure to EMFs and now the cumulative exposure to EMFs is far, far
greater and they are not looking at that. That should be taken into
consideration when they’re looking at the exposure limits, in toxicity level,
on a biological level. So, something mulling over is that after testing the
5G cell, small cell towers, Verizon CEO and Field Engineer concluded,
and this is online, that they were getting strong signals from them, even at
three thousand feet apart. So, they’re saying they need to be two hundred,
three hundred feet apart and there was foliage in between so we don’t, I
think after that testing you should be questioning whether they even need
to be that close to us. Some cities are doing their due diligence as has
been mentioned by putting strict ordinances, so ordinance amendments
that I see here are not as strict as other cities. I urge you to consider other
cities, contact them, see what they’ve done that’s working for their
citizens. So, I would say more restrictive ordinance amendments, so I
would put small cell is not being placed as was mentioned many times, in
schools, residential areas, apartment buildings, near vulnerable
populations like people recovering in hospitals, in old-age homes, in parks,
like in areas where people should go and just relax and not be exposed to
EMFs. Also, some cities are including restrictions such as having the right
to remove cell antennas if the space they occupy is needed by the city.
There’s also some amendments to ordinances about how high the small
cell tower needs to be, like it could be one hundred, one hundred fifty feet
high, that could be something they can pass. Then it could be planted a
certain distance apart, like I said, if the Verizon CEO and Field Engineer in
their testing of these test cities found that even at three thousand feet,
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these things are working just fine and with strong signals, I think we
should question whether or not these need to be this close and even in
residential areas where people spend the majority of their lives. Professor
Trevor Marshall, a biomedical scientist indicated in a tweet, a recent tweet.
A small cell thirty feet from a bedroom radiates ten thousand times as
much energy into the bedroom as a cell tower a half a mile away.
Radiation ‘in brackets’ is proportional to the distance ratio squared. He
also says some interesting tidbits of information that makes you think. He
mentioned that the Louisiana House passed resolution HO145 to direct its
Department of Health and Environment to study the potential impact of 5G
and a report back sixty days before their 2020 session. So that’s
something that we can actually ask Michigan State Senators to also
consider doing. Not to mention international appeals that people have
mentioned. By scientists and people that have done their research, EMF
experts, we need to be listening to these people, they know what they’re
talking about. The FCC has no experts on there that know anything about
biology and medicine. They don’t have any of those experts and they’re
not listening to them, in fact, as you may already be aware, the national
toxicology program just released its findings from a ten-year study and it
showed clear evidence of EMFs being linked to brain cancer and cancer, I
think schwannoma, I don’t know how to pronounce that properly, but it’s
related to the heart nerve sheaths. Ok, clear evidence and instead of
supporting this finding, this institution, which is the premiere research
institution of our country, they attack the findings and the scientists and
the quality of the study. Instead of maybe, hmm, this is an alarm bell, we
should look more into this, because that’s due diligence. If you see even
one little harm being in a study, that magnitude, the biggest study of its
kind, it should alarm bells and if they’re doing their job, they should have
paused on 5G and put a moratorium on it until further safety studies, either
if they didn’t agree with those findings disproved it or proved it further.
Aside from that, I urge you as other cities have done, to pass a resolution
for a moratorium asking our State Senators to introduce support and enact
a moratorium on wireless expansion until A) biologically safe exposure
levels have been established by independent researchers, not funded by
telecom industry and free from industry influence and conflicts of interest.
Only these types of studies we should be really looking at and considering
and not the ones that the FCC say show/indicate evidence wireless
radiation being safe, which those are industry funded, so we shouldn’t be
really looking at those at all, because I’m a researcher and I know that if
you have that as a conflict of interest, then your study is biased, you can’t
even pass the research ethics. Then, B) the telecom industry should be
reevaluated. The least intrusive distance between small cell towers, if we
are to go this route, to accomplish its goals. As I said, the testing showed
that the cell towers work three thousand meters in between, or feet in
between, so I think that’s a very important finding from their testing and I
think we should pro-warn, find out what else they found out because that
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could probably inform our decision making. Also, we should do a survey
and ask our State Senators to implement a survey that looks into the
possibility to increase our fiber and wired infrastructure because time and
time again, and scientists, I thinks it’s scientists for wire tech, is a great
website to go to, reveal that it is far more reliable, superior in terms of
speed, safe, where RF is not an issue and secure. So, you know, not and
issue with hacking and everything like that and affordable and accessible,
because that’s in the public, it used to be, you know, a public service
available to almost everybody that wanted it, now they want to remove
that and put in wireless. So, I think our infrastructure should be balanced
between wireless and wired in order to make it a healthy and safe place to
be for all residents of Livonia and really across the states. So, I thank you
for your time and for listening to me. I pray to God you are enlightened to
do something, it’s a very difficult task, I don’t envy you, but to do
something that will make Livonia residents proud to call you their
Councilors.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Please state your name and address for the record.
Prested: Besty Prested, I’m a resident of Livonia, my address is 20044 Floral
Street. I agree with all the speakers before me and I can’t go home tonight
and look my kids in the eyes and tell that I stayed silent. I stand before you
and ask you to please stand up for the health and safety of our Livonia
residents. You can’t ignore what you’ve heard tonight. I pray that you
oppose going forward with 5G. Please put our Livonia families first. Thank
you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. It looks like we have one resident. Yes sir, state your
name and address please.
Timoszyk: My name is William Timoszyk and I live at 35283 Leon Street here in
Livonia. I’ve been in Livonia 40 plus years and I want to compliment the
people that came in front of me with their in-depth knowledge. I don’t have
that kind of knowledge, but by the same token, when you look at the big
picture, this is not rocket science. When you go in and get an x-ray, the
guy that gives you the x-ray is standing behind a lead shield that’s an inch
thick that’ll stop a bullet. We just got some real refined things like that and
they’re putting it in wires and putting it in neighborhoods. So, I think
Livonia, this is part of your job, this is part of your position to take care of
the citizens of this town. That might take a lot of guts to do it but I think
you should make the citizens of this city proud of you and stand up and
say, you know what, we’re just not going to roll over with this, this is
hazardous stuff. I don’t have any children, I’ve talked to my friends about
all the rays and electronics going around and kids are gonna pay the
freight. You know, I’m old, I’ll just die, whatever, but there are already kids
walking around with cell phones and sleeping with them and having
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problems. So, like I say, its not rocket science, but you gotta take a stand
and do evidently from my predecessors here that spoke, there are ways
and mean if you step up to the plate, that you can slow this down and say,
you know, like I said, we’re just not going to roll over and die, and I think
the citizens of Livonia would be very proud of you. I don’t think anybody
will walk up to you and say, gee, what did you do that for? I mean, maybe
the guy that owns the telephone company will, but you know, so there you
go. Thank you for your time.
Jolly: Thank you, sir. Yes, ma’am.
Diaz: Jessica Diaz, my address is 14183 Deering Street. I live in Livonia, I have
three kids, I just moved here a few months ago and I moved here because
I thought it was a great, safe environment for my family, but, my mind is
definitely going to change if we implement the 5G. I only heard about this
a few months ago, so I’m not as well-researched or read as everyone else
here, but I know it’s dangerous. I also know that, you know, I already live
near the freeway, I have two large cell phone towers not even a mile from
my house, then I go to work and there’s one right outside my window. My
kids go to school, they’ve got wi-fi in their schools, they’re given Chrome
books and tablets and whatever to do the work. None of us had that when
we were growing up, but we’re just so anxious to give it to our kids? We’re
just gonna just throw them into this wireless environment, when, I mean,
who’s really done their research, I mean, how many of you can really say
they know what the effects of that are? I mean, because if everybody did
that and we knew what we, none of us would want this. Its insane and for
us to say, well, we can’t do anything because the federal government, the
state government, they have our hands tied, I just can’t believe that, I
refuse to believe that in this country, that we’re going to sit back and say
that. That anybody is going to sit back and say that they can’t stand up
and do something, there has to be something than can be done.
Obviously, we are counting on you to do it, because we elected you, as
our City Officials. It’s a great responsibility and I pray that you take that
responsibility on and protect us. Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am.
U. Martin: My name is Ursula Martin, I live in Livonia and have been here for almost
41 years. It’s a wonderful town, it really is but I agree with all these
presentations that were given. We don’t need that. We wanna keep
Livonia what it was when we moved here. So please do your best and I
just feel really bad for the little guys, you know, for the young children. We
just can’t do that, we have to please do what you can do, ok? Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Seeing nobody else at either podium. Ok, at this point,
if you have additional comments to say, I would appreciate it if you would
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approach the podiums here and be ready to speak when the speaker
before you is finished. Yes, Sir, please state your name and address.
Serra: My name is Jeremy Serra, I live at 10581 Stark Road and I just want to
speak to the effect how it has affected the birds. I have one of the 5G cell
towers nine hundred feet down the street from me and for the fifteen-
twenty years, been there thirty years, but well I’ll say the past thirty years,
the birds would smack into our front picture window maybe once or twice
all year. Since that tower went down the street from us, ten of them have
smacked into that window in about three months over the summer. It
messes with their navigation, so I’m assuming that’s why they’re crashing
into the window in greater numbers and I’ve noticed there are less birds
around the area in the neighborhood from that cell tower. I also want to
speak the fact that I read a little bit of the proposed ordinance that you
guys have and I understand you had in the wording, something about
ninety days. That you have to approve within ninety days of the
application. For now, before anything else is added or strengthened,
temporarily, could you guys use the whole ninety days and don’t approve
anything until the ninety-day time limit is up to delay this for now? So they
can’t just come in and roll this stuff out, you know, if we can get more
permanent, better, stronger, ordinance here until, I don’t know if that’s
something you guys can do, have the Engineers delay the application for
the ninety days or, I also wanted to speak, let’s see, I have it on my cell
phone here. In August 2019, there was a ruling in DC circuit court of
appeals saying every application across the US for small cell or wireless
transmission facilities is rendered incomplete so all the BTF shot clocks
must be told and all application processing and construction will stop until
the wireless industry and FCC completes the court mandated
environmental assessment (EA) and work environmental impacts
statement as specified in the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.
That’s all I have to say.
Jolly: Thank you, sir.
Timoszyk: Thank you.
Melabiotis: I wanna say one more thing.
Jolly: Please state you name for the record.
Melabiotis: Irene Melabiotis, 19758 Norwich Road. So, in my haste to leave because I
knew I was up here for a while, I didn’t mention that I have a feeling that
there are some places that are implementing 5G at much, much lower
frequencies than we are doing. So, we’re gonna be implementing at 20-
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100 GHz which Dr. Colbeck mentioned, is in the higher range of that one
that they’re using, I forgot what they were, the power control weapon.
That’s the range they’re using, so what’s to say that somebody can’t hack
it and use it as a way to, you know, make citizens submit to whosever will
that’s controlling it. With all this infrastructure, we’re really relying on
wireless as much without expanding wired at the same time. We’re at the
mercy of telecom and raising prices and it’s not going to be a free market
when it comes to that. So, I really want to look into the lower frequency,
it’s possible to achieve 5G at lower frequencies. I don’t know why it has to
be in effect that high, which is dangerously high. The issues is surveillance
as well, which is what’s happening in China. The more, you know, smart
things that you have going on, they can easily, somebody can hack in or
whatever, facial recognition. It could be used against you, which is totally
against the Constitution of this Land and what our Founding Fathers stood
for. I heard, and I don’t know how factual this is, but its worth maybe
considering, that recently in 2018, the FCC’s hold on the wireless industry
was categorized, or decategorized, I should say from Title 2, which is
regulated to Title 1, unregulated. So, if that’s the case, which I’ve heard
from somebody that fought this based on those grounds, then they are
not, they don’t have any power to, or jurisdiction to, enforce their rules for
us to place these in public right-of-ways. So, I think that’s worth looking
into, maybe your lawyers can look into that, see if there’s any recourse at
the local and state level, in order to stop deployment. Lastly, again, going
back to Professor Trevor Marshall, who is a biomedical scientist, he
tweeted just a couple of days ago, the FCC has repealed a large part of
the 4G/5G small cell order by reinstating full environmental review as of
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December 52019, nationwide. He goes on to say we await FCC formally
removing the sixty-day shot clock, which rely on this exclusion. So, I have
so much information on this, I’ve, just like everybody else, well not
everybody else, but some people who have mentioned this, I’ve had
sleepless nights about this because I’m concerned for the safety of my
children and one unborn. Again, actually, another thing I didn’t mention,
that fetuses are very highly susceptible to biological harm from EMFs. So,
we might be producing the next generation of biologically harmed human
beings. If we don’t properly investigate this and do our due diligence. If we
don’t stand up to this awful, you know, mandate by the first, by the FCC
and then on to the State, then we are compliant and in compliance with
any damages that occur. So, I urge you to stand up and do the right thing
and lots of cities have done it before you, just look at what they’ve done.
The first thing would be, go to the State level and ask them to do that, that
memorandum, ok and support that resolution, ask them to support it.
Thank you for your time, I’m sorry for coming back two times.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. Yes, ma’am?
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Brukwinski: Hi, my name is Suzanne Brukwinski, I live at 30033 Fairfax. I just wanted
to reiterate, there is an alternative and you should really look into that
wired technology because it works. The point of fact is that the city of
Chattanooga, TN has done that already and it’s been a great success and
they brought more companies into the city because it worked so well and
they are doing really well economically because of that. So, I just want to
say that there is an alternative, we’re making this thing into this wireless
one and it’s not true and I don’t want to feel bullied into it. Thank you.
Jolly: Thank you, ma’am. I see nobody else approaching either podium and at
this point, on behalf of the Council, I thank you for your comments and
your taking the time to be here this evening with us. Public comment is
now closed, I’ll look to the Council here for direction. Before I let Mr. Bahr
speak, I will state that this matter will be next taken up on December 16,
2019 at the Regular Study meeting. That means that whatever is
proposed here tonight, will move us along to that point, but any motion is
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possible at that Regular meeting on December 16 as well. Mr. Bahr?
Bahr: A comment, question and a couple proposals for resolutions. The
comment being, and I think you all know this, but a lot of what we’ve heard
tonight. First of all, I applaud the people that are here for the obvious
passion and time that you’ve put into research this. We’ve had a lot of
well-spoken people that have obviously done a ton of reading and study
on this tonight and it’s pretty impressive, actually. I think you do know this,
but many of the concerns you are expressing, and I think there’s some
compelling things that have been said, but, yes, we would like to represent
you but a lot of things you are talking about, you are talking to the wrong
body. We have State Senators, we have State Representatives, I don’t
want to put words in his mouth, but just I know from previous
conversations with Senator Colbeck, you know, he’s talked about, he was
in Legislature when this was taken up and I know he advocated against it.
A lot of this has been taken out of our hands, that doesn’t mean that you
are powerless to speak out, it doesn’t mean that we, as Americans, can’t
do something about it, or want to, it’s just this isn’t the body to do it. We
have a Federal and we have a State and Local body and there’s laws that
we dictate where to go, so you do have power to make a difference it’s
just you need to be contacting Representative Pohutsky and Senator
Polehanki at this point for the larger 5G issues, however, I am intrigued by
some of the things that have been mentioned tonight and there, they
reinforce some stuff that I’ve found in my own study on this prior to this
meeting that I think are worthy of further explorations. So, my question is
for Mr. Bernier, is there some, something time-critical to this as far as the,
I think there’s two levels of things here. I thinks there’s the proposal that’s
before us tonight, which I understand what that’s trying to do. I think
there’s potentially some things that are worth further study beyond that,
that maybe are within the purview of the local government, some of those
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things we’ve heard tonight. I think those are worth studying further. I guess
I’d be interested in your opinion. The cleanest thing to me would be to put
this into Technology Committee to explore some of those things to see if it
can be strengthened with some of those things if we would choose to do
that. Unless, there’s some time-critical need why what’s before us to night
needs to happen now, which would not keep us from doing that later.
Bernier: If you’re asking my opinion, if you don’t do something with this now, you’ve
just told them they can put them wherever they want. You’ve just opened it
up. You’ve taken away all the power of the City Engineer to have anything
dealing with the licensing of it. To deal with the permitting of it.
Bahr: Between now and when we would ever take up a larger issue.
Bernier: Realistically, we should have had this passed before now.
Bahr: Ok. I’d offer two resolutions, I’d offer and approval of the resolutions
before us tonight and I’d offer a resolution to put into the Economic
Development, Strategic Planning and Technology Committee, the topic of
what additional stipulations we can put at the local level for the
implementation of 5G.
Jolly: Ok, we have those two motions made by Mr. Bahr. Any other direction
from the Council? There appears to be none. The Public Hearing will be
closed at 8:28 p.m. Thank you all for being here tonight. Again, this will be
next taken up on December 16 at the Regular voting meeting. Thank you.