HomeMy WebLinkAboutMay 19, 2022 - 257th Regular Minutes signedMINUTES OF THE 257th REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLYMOUTH ROAD
DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
The 257th Regular Meeting of the Plymouth Road Development Authority of the
City of Livonia, Michigan, was called to order at 3:05 p.m., Thursday, May 19,
2022, in the 5th floor Gallery of City Hall.
Members Present: Maureen Miller Brosnan, Mayor
Jeremy Curtis, Vice Chair
Dan Laible
Betsy McCue
Patrick Mies
Members Absent: Omar Faris, Chair
Stephanie Roehl Blatt
Susan Harvey
John Hiltz
Others Present: Mark Taormina, Economic Development &Planning Director
Mike Slater, Director of Finance
Stephanie Reece, Program Supervisor, Planning
Jacob Uhazie, Planning & Economic Development
Coordinator
Doug Moore, City of Livonia DPW, Assistant Director
Christopher Ozog, OHM
1. Roll was called. A quorum was present.
2. Audience Communication. None
3. Adoption of the Minutes
On a motion made by Mayor Miller Brosnan, seconded by McCue, and
unanimously adopted, it was
#2022-01 RESOLVED, that the Plymouth Road Development Authority
does hereby approve the Minutes of the 256th Regular Meeting held on July
22, 2021.
Mr. Curtis, Acting Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the
foregoing resolution adopted.
4. Financial Reports —July 2021 through March 2022. Mr. Slater went
through all months of financials. He specifically explained the disbursements
for each month. He stated that there are several items that are paid on a
regular basis, such as DTE for the street lighting, and the irrigation system.
There were also OHM invoices for their assistance in the streetscape repair
program. In August there were bills for Plante Moran for the audit. He also
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stated that there were some very large irrigation repair bills. A lot of work
was needed along the six miles of heads and lines. The biggest bill in
September was for the streetscape repairs. The line item for City of Livonia
was related to RAM Construction and their work in the repair program. In
October, the biggest bill was to Tech Seven, again for the irrigation system.
At the end of the fiscal year, total assets were $1,156,172 and liabilities
were just under $198,000. The fund balance was $958,398. These figures
will be shown in the audit because the PRDA is considered a component
unit of the city. The biggest item in November was the streetscape repair. In
December, the beginning of the new fiscal year, the bills totaled a little over
$79,000, and of that $62,000 was for the streetscape program to RAM
construction. In January 2022, the disbursements included the annual water
bill for the previous year, and it was a little over $68,000, The meters for this
bill are temporary and at the end of the season they are removed and read.
In February, the biggest expense again was for RAM Construction and the
streetscape repair program. March was a normal month for expenses. The
Mayor inquired as to whether the expenses were within the budget. Mr.
Slater went on to explain how the Budget Performance Report is laid out
with a bit of an explanation of the line items, such as encumbrances and
how they are handled. The budget for the year was $719,000 and the year-
to-date figure was $741,000. This was actually a bit better than expected.
The irrigation system costs were far more than what the budget was. We
spent $230,000 and the budget was $110,000. The year prior, the irrigation
costs were only $48,000. The costs for the irrigation vary year to year. Doug
Moore explained that last year the repairs were very bad. There were a few
areas that main lines were cut. He went on to explain that we aren't able to
find out who is cutting the lines. The way the right-of-way easement is
setup, through the State, some of the permits are through the State and we
don't know who is out there doing the work. It was stated by the Mayor that
this has happened in the past and she was wondering how to make them
liable for the damage. The conversation went to recapping an incident with
Cadillac from years past about this same type of issue and how after all the
efforts were made, nothing could be done. The Mayor wanted to know if
there was anyway to improve our option for these circumstances. Mr. Slater
was unable to give any because of the past incidents and results. He said
Mis Dig is unable to help because they are not aware of the lines being
there before starting a job. It is not a part of the State contract that they are
responsible for any damage. Mr. Taormina mentioned that there used to be
a contractor that would flag as many of the lines as they could identify. He
said it was extremely costly and in the end, it wasn't making any difference.
Many of the lines are not traced and so they cannot be identified. It has
been a problem since the beginning when the irrigation system was
installed. Mr. Laible inquired whether there is a permitting process. It was
stated that there is through MDOT since it is there right-of-way. Mr. Curtis
said that he feels that every permit they pull, a copy of it should be given to
us so we are aware of any work being done. Mr. Moore said he could check
with Engineering to verify whether we are receiving them or not. A
discussion about who's responsible for the damage continued and it was
again related back to the Cadillac situation and how nothing could be done.
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Mr. Laible was commenting that he feels there should be recourse,
especially if it is a sizable material cost. Mr. Mies was wondering if any other
communities have this same issue and if they have found a work around for
it. He also wanted to know if, when the system was put in, were we told to
go ahead and install it, but be aware that there will be projects that come
along and if they dig up the lines, the responsibility in on us. Mr. Slater said
that it was never mentioned. Mr. Curtis said that we need to contact MDOT
and let them know if any permits are pulled on this corridor, to give a copy to
us to make any notes or comments before they send it out to the permit
holder. The Mayor does understand that the contractors are only doing their
job and they claim they weren't the ones that did it and blame the next guy.
She wanted to know if we had any authority to be able to issue permits.
There would be a cost, so we would be able to recoup some of the costs.
Mr. Curtis said he doesn't think that it would be possible because the city
doesn't own the property. She said we need to do something because the
cost is more than double to maintain it. Mr. Slater said it isn't every year, but
it does happen, and it is quite expensive. Ms. McCue agreed with Mr. Mies,
that this must have affected other communities. Mr. Slater said that it
probably isn't that common since it is the rights -of -way. The Mayor asked if
Ford Road's business district deals with this. Also, she wants to look at any
work arounds that may be available. Mr. Slater said we can try to find out
and would have to speak with Law and Engineering regarding any
permitting process. He said that this item was the only thing over budget.
We did go into the this year's budget for the streetscape program, but
overall, we were under budget last year.
On a motion made by Laible, seconded by Mies, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2022-02 RESOLVED, that the Plymouth Road Development Authority
does hereby accept and approve the Financial Statements of
the Authority's Special Revenue Fund for the months ending
July 2021 through March 2022,
Mr. Curtis, Acting Chairperson, declared the motion is carried and the
foregoing resolution adopted.
5. Irrigation System Update Doug Moore stated that Tech Seven, the PRDA's
irrigation contractor, is still very responsive to any concerns or problems. The
system has been started and is energized. The bills coming in have not been
excessive to this point. He said that the Court's Probation Department has
been out addressing Merriman, Middle Belt, and Farmington along the
Plymouth Road corridor with mulch and pre -emergent weed control to get
ready for the spring. He asked about the Tech Seven contract and when it
might be coming to an end. Mr. Taormina stated that the contract has been
rolling over year to year and the pricing has been steady. Mr. Moore said that
the pricing has not changed. He said that Mike Molinar does inform him if
there are any issues coming up. Mr. Slater said the bills usually have head
replacements as an item. He explained why that happens so often and that,
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again, this has been a yearly line item on the bills. During the snow removal
season, if a head is sticking up, the heads may be taken off. Vandalism was
also another reason for that. Mr. Moore did explain that there are also valves
that may go bad and have to be replaced.
6. Update on Streetscape Asset Maintenance Program.
Mr. Taormina introduced Chris Ozog from OHM, Project Manager for the
streetscape repair program. Mr. Ozog explained the status of the program
and provided a close-out report. He said that as of May 11, they had reached
a substantial completion with RAM Construction. All work has been
completed that they were contractually required to do. He said that since we
last met, there were two additional change orders done. One was for snow
damage of a pier, and the other was for some additional quantities of items
needed. The original contract was for $473,600 and the total ended up at
$548,112. The budget was increased at the last meeting up to $575,000, He
explained in detail about the different change orders over the process. The
only thing left to do is final out the paperwork, get final signatures, and any
warranty information. He is hoping to get the monies that were held,
approximately $5,100, back in June. After that, the project will be done. Mr.
Taormina asked that he give some details as to what transpired over the last
year. Mr. Ozog said that RAM Construction was a good contractor to work
with. He said it wasn't an easy project. Every time they went out, there was
always something additional found. Trying to keep up with what was in the
contract and what was found was sometimes trying. They kept an open
dialogue between RAM and OHM. He said RAM was good to work with
when it came to the masonry work. RAM had two subs come in for the
painting and that was a challenge. OHM did ask RAM what they could do to
make it easier since it was a large project with a lot to cover. A
representative from RAM said that it should be tackled each year or have a
maintenance program. Mr. Ozog said a challenge was when they would go
out to do the work and there was always a little something more that could
be done. There had to be a line drawn and focus on the large items. The
hardest part was the fence companies and trying to coordinate their quality
control and get a response back from them. Ultimately, RAM is a great
contractor to work with. Mayor Brosnan stated she feels the PRDA needs to
start looking into a regular, ongoing maintenance program. She said she
would hate to stop here, and if we don't get a maintenance program in place,
we would just end up in the same place in five (5) or six (6) years. She said
the city recognizes that one of its strengths is the PRDA, and it should enlist
an asset management plan. That would allow the city to create an
understanding that there will be major investments like the irrigation system,
which at some point may not be feasible to continue to maintain unless there
is a regular maintenance. She used the example of the water infrastructure.
She asked Mr. Ozog if there are other communities that have done that with
streetscapes. He said he is not aware of it and realizes that over a five (5) or
ten (10) year plan there will be sections that will need to be addressed again.
He went on to explain that the GIS portion of this has already been
established, but he is not aware of any applications other than that. He does
know there has been discussion in other municipalities about this, but he is
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not aware of anyone successfully implementing something that works. He
said he could talk with Mike Cousins who is familiar with other municipalities
and see if he has any references. Rhett, a principal at OHM, is on the City of
Troy's DDA. They may have some ideas. Mr. Laible asked about a grading
scale and if there are any standards or some version of a grading to know if
we are doing a good job of maintaining this to a certain degree. He asked if
there are any satisfaction surveys and are the property owners involved. He
wants to know how we determine whether the effort is worth it. Mr. Taormina
stated that we haven't developed anything like that. He feels an asset
management program is going to be critical going forward. With the project
that has just been completed, every single asset along the corridor was
surveyed and graded. That is a very good base. Now that the initial
maintenance program is complete, the database will need to be updated. He
said that OHM put together very detailed system of identifying the assets and
their condition. He said they were ranked in priority for improvement also. He
thinks this list needs to be kept updated to move forward and use it as a
possible asset management program. Mr. Curtis wondered if we were to
have a contractor, for example RAM, and were doing a maintenance
program for three (3) or five (5) years, would there be more bidders than we
had for this project? He wondered if a long-term plan would be better. Mr.
Ozog said that it is going to be hard to find anyone with the way the
construction world is right now. He feels it would have to be someone
invested in the city. He said that maybe going with a mason and then you
find a local fence guy. Split the job by trade. He said trying to find one
contractor for the whole corridor is going to be very difficult. Mr. Slater made
a statement about how with this project it is not like the roads or water mains.
These items are things that you must literally walk up on and know what you
are looking for behind bushes and on both sides of a fence on both sides of
the street. He said identifying the needs is a job in itself. He feels it is the
hardest part of it and then finding a contractor without giving them direction is
not going to be worthwhile. Mr. Ozog agreed that the items are more difficult
to find, and to be able to know the item's needing repair is difficult. Mr. Ozog
asked if there was a place for the property owners to call or email and let
someone know when there is an issue. If there was an as -needed contractor,
then the repairs could be made immediately, and the 20-25-year cycle is cut
down to maybe every three (3) years. The Mayor stated that if we had
commitment for a certain amount of dollars each year, then maybe someone
with an entrepreneurial spirit would be able to build a business around the
commitment. She asked Mr. Ozog where we could start looking for the
entrepreneurs. Would we start with someone with a landscape business and
then they could possibly build on to their business, or would it be mostly
irrigation management? She also said that we may have to have that
entrepreneurial spirit ourselves and try to fill that contractor position. Mr.
Ozog feels that the mason is the more difficult position to find and that is
where he would start. When it comes to the fencing, he thinks that a mason
may know where to take the fencing for painting or sandblasting. He said
that fencing contractors wouldn't know what to do with masonry. Mr. Laible
thought that maybe vocation schools may have students trying to earn
credits. He said maybe we could donate to the school. Mr. Ozog said that
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maybe the shop in Warren that does a lot of training may be a first place to
start. Mr. Taormina remembered when the PRDA turned to the local garden
clubs when they were maintaining the landscaping. He said it did not work.
No one was interested. Maybe get it to be part of a curriculum. She said
there is never going to be a lack of opportunity to test your skills.
7 Update on
Plymouth
Road
Development Projects: Brief description of
each project
was given
by Mr.
Taormina.
Explore Academy - 31100 Plymouth Road. This is the old AT&T building
just east of Merriman. It was acquired by a new owner recently. The interior
will be retrofitted for use as a charter public school. Half of the floor space
will be used initially with plans to expand in the future. They will use part of
the parking lot as their playground area and the drop off will be in front. This
project is completely handled by the state.
Wonderland Fats - 29707 — 30273 Plymouth Road. This multifamily project
was given first read on the rezoning and will be going before the Planning
Commission in the next couple weeks for site plan review. It consists of two
(2) buildings and 201 apartments. The buildings will be three (3) stories in
height. The project is located between the Wal-Mart and LA Fitness. The
design is very similar to the LIV apartments on Haggerty Road.
Shoppes of Livonia — 29250-29350 Plymouth Road. This project is located
at Middle Belt and Plymouth Roads. A Chick Fil A is being constructed
currently. The large space is going to be an approximate 45,000 sq.ft.
grocery store. There will also be one outlot building located between the
Firestone and the physical therapist office in the old Walgreen's building.
Shelden Park Village — 33327 Plymouth Road. This project consists of two
buildings that are currently under construction. They will be a Dairy Queen
and Lee's Chicken.
Livonia Centers — This project is located just east of Tech Center Drive. It
was originally a Builders Square and then was converted into a retail store.
The westerly half will be occupied by Urban Air. There is also an outlot. The
occupants are unknown.
Hines Place Condominiums — 37711 Plymouth Road. This project is at
Plymouth Road and Jughandle. There will be 19 units in this site
condominium cluster. This was land held by the Newman Family Trust. It is
currently under construction.
Airgas — 30441 Plymouth Road. This location was the old Viscount Pool
store located next to the Quality Inn and Suites. They are open and they are
using the back part of the lot for storage of a variety of gas tanks. This went
through the Planning Commission and City Council a few months ago.
Livonia Gas Mart — 31301 Plymouth Road. This is one of the oldest gas
stations in Livonia. The owners are moving their service operations into a
new addition and then converting the old section into a convenience store.
This also went through the Planning Commission and City Council and
received approval. They already have PRDA streetscape improvements
along the front.
Plymouth Shoppes — 29215 Plymouth Road. This is a fagade renovation. It
is located next to the Biggby Coffee at Middle Belt and Plymouth Roads.
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LaFontaine Auto Group — 34801 Plymouth Road. This site used to be the
Ralph Thayer dealerships. LaFontaine now owns the Mazda, Hyundai, and
Volkswagen dealerships. They also purchased the old donut shop to the
west, with the intention of filling that site and using it for car displays. The
Planning Commission did work with them regarding the piers and fencing
along their two entrances. They do intend on removing one of the entrances.
The Mazda and Hyundai dealerships will be undergoing substantial
renovations in the next year or so. With those renovations, they will then
change some of the configurations of the driveways.
Plymouth Auto Sales — 36534 Plymouth Road. This project is located on
the north side of Plymouth at the west end near Newburgh Road. They are
going to expand the parking lot and do certain renovations to the building.
The back lot will be used for storage. There will be substantial landscaping
on site. No streetscape details have been worked out yet.
Mr. Taormina said that there will be a new traffic signal going in on Middle
Belt Road at the north driveway to the shopping center for Chick Fil A. The
new signal will be synchronized between the one at Middle Belt and
Plymouth and the one at the Ford plant.
8. Discussion on Future PRDA Projects/Initiatives
Mr. Taormina stated that it was a couple of years ago that the Board
determined that an investment needed to be made in order to maintain
streetscape assets along Plymouth Road. That investment has been made
and the project completed, and the Board is now able to look at future
projects. He mentioned Rosedale Commons, the name given to the area
that includes Sheldon Park and the Alfred Noble Library and extends to
Farmington Road where the Housing Commission building is located. Many
steps have been taken already regarding the property. The title has been
cleared and the Library and Park properties are now all part a part of the
PRDA District. A detailed survey of all the property has also been done. The
Library has been shut down since November 2018 due to water damage
and mold problems. The structure has been evaluated by OHM as well as
the City's Inspection Department. The Mayor went on to say that it will take
an immense amountof money to bring that Library back. She will be
meeting with the Library Commission to discuss what the future of the
libraries in Livonia will look like. She said that despite COVID, the libraries
were able to continue their services even though they may look different
than what has been in the past. Memberships and circulation have
increased throughout the pandemic. The new changes are still running. She
said there has not been a huge outcry from people regarding the closing of
the Alfred Noble library. People are concerned, however, about the status of
the building. She would like to take all that has been learned about Livonia
Vision 21, including its methodology and use it on this parcel. She
mentioned that on this parcel along with the library is the Shelden pool that
hasn't been able to open for a couple years because we don't have the staff
and there are major maintenance issues. It would cost a lot to fix it. She said
there are the tennis courts and fields behind the library that are
underutilized. She mentioned that the Housing Commission could be
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relocated in several spots in the community. She feels this property could be
redeveloped in a way to drive economic development for the corridor. When
she meets with the Library Commission, she wants to have a conversation
about a vision such as that. City Council approved the engagement of
Plante Moran Cresa to look at the city assets. They will be going through all
the buildings to assess them. They were asked to begin with the libraries,
with the understanding that this may be an opportunity for redevelopment.
The library has gone out for an RFP for a strategic management firm to help
make a reasonable and responsible decision about that community. The
Mayor would like to see the PRDA begin the conversation with the
community and try to help that idea. She would like the PRDA to take an
active role in this location, and to bear this in mind when setting the goals
for the coming year. She wants to make sure that the assets for the PRDA
are being taken care of. This is what the PRDA was set up for, to develop
the streetscape along Plymouth Road. She said that there are many
constituency groups that will need to be a part of the conversations going
forward, such as Old Rosedale Gardens and the people that use the
Shelden Park pool. Mr. Taormina asked the Mayor if she would make some
comments regarding the financial resources for the future while planning.
Mr. Slater mentioned the fact that in the year 2022 they have put a place
marker in for $500,000. He said that back in 1998 a bond was set up to put
all the improvements along the corridor in, such as the plazas, fences, and
walls. The monies were captured from property taxes until there was a
financial crisis. The rules changed on personal property taxes and the
values of the properties fell. The capture then went away. The city then
opted to put two (2) mills onto the property owners within the district, which
is allowed per the DDA Act. That is the sole source of income. That amount
is approximately $700,000 per year. He said there will be about $300,000 to
do something with in the upcoming years. Mr. Taormina feels that
earmarking monies for an asset management program is critical. He also
thinks the PRDA needs to figure out how they should be involved in the
process and that planning services will be just as important. The Mayor felt
it was important that the PRDA put a resolution together that would support
the future development of that site without any numbers or real strict
parameters. She stated it is a development project and the leadership
should reside with this board. She said maybe there is a component of it
that eventually serves a library need. The entire development of that parcel
is not a library issue. She feels it needs to stay with the PRDA. When the
need comes for a decision, the board will stand ready to help. Ms. McCue
was commenting on how the Board did a community education for the
irrigation and the mills that would be needed to have the businesses take
care of the corridor. There were education pieces done for that, and she
feels it may help to get a discussion going and to see what people's
thoughts are and to get a feel of where they are at. She said that maybe the
Board could commit to training and education, and it wouldn't cost anything.
Mr. Laible feels that the training and education is critical, because when
talking about a pool and library, these are hot button issues. He said this is
in line with the walkable, livable neighborhoods that we are trying to present.
The Mayor said that when you can show residents the potential, and not just
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a blank canvas, they can begin to formulate some concepts around that.
She mentioned the Senior Center and that even before talking about tearing
it down, we showed the people what the new one will look like. She said that
maybe a rendering could be shown and then involve the community in a
discussion around the fine tuning of it. She mentioned that maybe this could
be a public private partnership, where we build out some of the residential
housing that we need, to make this a more walkable community with better
services than the underutilized ones that are currently there. Ms. McCue
said that it would need to be presented as the property is not helping
anything in its current state. She stated that it is better if the residents have
a say rather than us just giving them what we decide. Mr. Laible said that
the rendering should show a nice community without the pool but with
pickleball courts and splashpads. Mr. Curtis would like to know how much it
would cost to see the GIS database updated and maybe know how much it
would cost to have them walk the corridor every two or three years so we
can then dedicate funds to those repairs. Mr. Mies wondered if the PRDA is
able in any way to help with weed and feed or other forms of fertilizer. He
feels people's attention may not be drawn to the fencing and piers when the
weeds are so drastic. He also mentioned the fact that some property owners
may not want to stay there if their neighbors don't show any commitment.
His comments come from being an owner of a lawn business. He thinks
prospective business owners may be more apt to moving in if they can
envision their business in a space without the distraction of knee-high
weeds. Mr. Slater told of a bit of history regarding this topic. He said that the
PRDA had contractors years ago that would fertilize and do the weed
control and mow the right-of-way. That was when there was money to do
these things. The cost became too much. He said that they have tried to get
weed control services for some city properties and along Schoolcraft Road,
and the companies can't find people to work for them. They are not
interested in bidding for it. He said that if the board would like to get some
pricing for weed control, he felt it could be done. Mr. Taormina said the
fertilization and weed control is something that could be looked into. Mr.
Laible agrees with Mr. Mies that optics are very important. Ms. McCue said
she is hoping that the new businesses along the corridor will continue
coming in and that they will care about what the front of their businesses
look like. Mr. Slater did inform the board that when they are on the corridor
and they see something that needs attention, our Inspection Department is
there for these types of situations. Mr. Laible inquired whether we were able
to incentivize property owners to make investments in their properties. Mr.
Slater said that the PRDA had a program like that at one time, the Business
Assistance Program. He told a bit of history about it. He also said that there
wasn't a great deal of interest in it. It doesn't mean we couldn't try it again.
Mr. Taormina said there really isn't money available to incentivize, but there
are programs out there that are intended to serve much larger projects. Mr.
Uhazie informed the board that there are funds available from COVID. It
must be related to COVID, such as outdoor seating for a restaurant. If there
is a way to relate it back to COVID, that would be something to consider.
Mr. Curtis was asking about the shopping carts that are a problem at the
Middle Belt and Plymouth area. He wondered if maybe there was a lack of
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Mr. Curtis was asking about the shopping carts that are a problem at the
Middle Belt and Plymouth area. He wondered if maybe there was a lack of
seating there because he sees people sitting on the carts. His point was that
if the board members see an issue, maybe they can make a list and then
the list can be addressed in a timelier manner. He also wanted to know if
there was anything that spells out what the city or the residents want to see
along the major corridors. Mr. Taormina explained that the Livonia Vision 21
Master Plan identified three special planning areas, including the east end
of Plymouth Road as a model for the rest of the corridor. The Master Plan
includes development schematics for future projects in terms of building
placement, parking and landscaping which can be used as a guidepost for
future planning purposes. He said the PRDA can be involved in that aspect.
We don't have any projects yet. He said he will provide the board with the
special planning area information. Mr. Uhazie stated that even though the
east Plymouth Road was specifically picked out, it can be used as a model
anywhere along the way. Mr. Curtis asked if there were any areas that are
not recovering as well as other areas that the board could focus on to help
entice more people to move in. Mr. Taormina said that the east end is where
they have the oldest infrastructure, but there are areas all along the corridor
that could use some assistance. He said that these ideas that the board has
mentioned may appear as potential items at the next meeting as something
to be voted on. If there is anything that the board wants to address, they
should send an email or call him. Ms. McCue did ask about a couple light
poles that are laying in the grass along the corridor. Mr. Slater said they are
waiting on luminaires.
On a motion by Laible, and seconded by Mies, and unanimously adopted, it was:
#2022-03 RESOLVED, that the Plymouth Road Development Authority
does hereby offer its financial support and assistance to the City and
community in preparing a long-range redevelopment plan for Rosedale
Commons with the goal of creating functional, walkable and livable
neighborhood areas and other useable private and public spaces.
9. Comments and Motions from Board Members. None.
10. Adjournment: On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously
adoptedI the 257'h Regular Meeting held by the Plymouth Road
Development Authority on May 19, 2022, was adjourned at 4:52 p.m.
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Patrick Mies, Secretary