HomeMy WebLinkAbout1,205 - October 17, 2023 signedMINUTES OF THE 1,205th PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia held its 1,205th Public Hearing and Regular Meetings in the Livonia City
Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. ]an Wilshaw, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
Members present: Wafa Dinaro David Bongero Sam Caramagno
Glen Long Peter Ventura Ian Wilshaw
Members absent: None
Mr. Scott Miller, Planner IV, Jacob Uhazie, Planning & Economic Development
Coordinator, and Stephanie Reece, Program Supervisor, were also present.
Chairman Wilshaw informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City
Council who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a
petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective
seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the
professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The staff
has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions, which
the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the
proceedings tonight.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2023-09-01-05 Matick Construction
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2023-
09-01-05 submitted by Matick Construction L.L.C. under Sections
13.13 and 13.15 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended,
requesting to rezone the property at 37739 Seven Mile Road,
located on the south side of Seven Mile Road between Blue Skies
Drive and Glengarry Drive in the Northeast'/4 of Section 7, from
N2 (Neighborhood) to C-1 (Local Business).
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Mr. Miller: This parcel measures 80 feet along Seven Mile Road by a depth
of 150 feet and is therefore 12,000 square feet in size. It currently
contains a residential house and an in -ground pool. The change
of zoning would facilitate the development of an office building.
To the west is an office building occupied by a Farmers Insurance
Agency that is zoned C-1. To the east and south are residential
homes zoned N2 and to the north across Seven Mile Road, is
vacant property that is zoned RUF. The existing house and pool
would be removed as part of the redevelopment. The preliminary
site plan shows a 2,600 square foot building on the west half of
the site and a parking lot on the east half. Access to the site would
be by a single drive off a Seven -Mile Road. General office is
considered a permitted use in C-1 zoning. If this rezoning is
approved, the development of this office building would be
required to go through the site plan approval process. That is the
extent of this petition.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, thank you, Mr. Miller. Is there any correspondence from
departments?
Mr. Uhazie: Yes. The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated
September 18, 2023, which reads as follows: "In accordance with
your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above
referenced petition. We have no objections to the proposed
rezoning at this time but would like to note the following items: 1.
The subject parcel is assigned the address of #37739 Seven Mile
Road. Once drawings have been submitted for permits, the
Engineering Department will assign additional addresses if
needed. 2. The legal description included with the submitted
drawings appears to be correct and should be used in conjunction
with this project should the rezoning be approved. 3. The existing
parcel is currently serviced by public sanitary sewer, water main
and storm sewer. The submitted drawings do not include any
information regarding proposed services to the buildings, but we
do not believe there will be any negative impacts to the system
with the proposed usages. 4. The proposed development will be
required to meet the Wayne County Stormwater Ordinance. The
submitted drawings do not indicate any storm sewer information,
but the developer will need to obtain storm sewer permits through
the Wayne County Department of Public Service prior to
construction. 5. Any work within the Seven Mile Road right-of-way
will require permitting through Wayne County." The letter is
signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The next
letter is from the Finance Department, dated September 20,
2023, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the addresses
connected with the above noted petition. The following amounts
are due to the City of Livonia: $895.12 Unpaid Water and Sewer
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charges" The letter is signed by Connie Kumpula, Chief
Accountant. This has been paid on September 25, 2023. It has
been resolved. The next letter is from the Treasurer's
Department, dated October 1, 2023, which reads as follows: `In
accordance with your request, the Treasurer's Office has
reviewed the name and addresses connected with the above
noted petition. At this time there are taxes due, and they are
delinquent. ALL taxes for this location that are on the 2023 tax
roll will need to be paid before the demolition of the building."The
letter is signed by Lynda Scheel, Treasurer. There has been an
update to that, and the taxes were paid on October 3, 2023. That
is it.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, are there any questions from any of our commissioners for
our planning staff? I don't see any questions from commissioners.
Is our petitioner in the audience? Please come forward to the
podium. We'll ask that you start with your name and address for
the record.
Justin DiNatale, 37739 Seven Mile Road, Livonia, MI.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you for coming tonight. I do want to remind both the
petitioner and my fellow commissioners that this is a rezoning
request, and the primary focus tonight should be on zoning
issues. Although I do know you've submitted some preliminary
conceptual building layouts and stuff like that to us as well. So, I
just want to acknowledge that.
Mr. DiNatale: Yes, correct. The architect is actually here tonight if you have any
questions.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Great. Thank you. What else would you like to tell us about
your petition that you haven't already heard from our planning
staff?
Mr. DiNatale: Nothing other than what we talked about in the study meeting.
mean, we're just a growing commercial general contractor here
in Livonia. Born and raised in Livonia and want to continue to
grow within Livonia. Right now, we have a shop on Amrhein
Road. All commercial construction activities, including our trades
or commercial vehicles, and any construction related activities
are going to remain at the Amrhein Road location. The purpose
of this property, that we wish to rezone, is to house our sales and
marketing and executives, which will not be driving commercial
vehicles and will only be doing office type related activities. It'll
simply be maintained as an office building and I did review the
conditional rezoning verbiage that was sent to me by Mark
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Taormina, and we are completely flexible and willing to accept
the conditional rezoning.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. And just for everyone's benefit, the discussion around
conditional zoning was brought up in relation to this user having
this particular zoning for the property, and if this user was to
perhaps move to a bigger office or need to relocate or whatever,
what would happen to this property if you were to leave and what
you're proposing is to offer a voluntary conditional letter saying
that this zoning would be tied to your use of this property and that
if you were to leave this property, then the zoning could revert
back to its former condition. So, I just wanted to acknowledge
that, so thank you. If there's any questions from any of our
commissioners for the petitioner? Ms. Dinaro.
Ms. Dinaro: Justin, what's the timing on the demolition of the vacant house
that's there?
Mr. DiNatale: So, I know that the City of Livonia... it was voted that the current
owner, which is Miss Loring, would have to demo the property
within 60 days, otherwise there'd be a lien on the property. Matick
construction submitted a bid to the City of Livonia for the
demolition of the property, which we have not heard back on, but
we are going to demo it as soon as, you know, basically, our
purchase agreement is contingent on the rezoning of the property
at the moment. So, if the property is clear to rezone, we plan on
demolition immediately. We've already got all the crew in place to
do such.
Ms. Dinaro: Great.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Ms. Dinaro. Any other questions for the petitioner?
Mr. Bongero.
Mr. Bongero: I think at the study meeting, you said you did speak with the
neighbors.
Mr. DiNatale: Yes.
Mr. Bongero: And they're in favor?
Mr. DiNatale: Yeah. I actually grew up in the neighborhood. Yeah, and
everyone's excited to see the blight that exists there today go
away, at least the people I spoke to.
Mr. Bongero: Okay. That's all. Thank you.
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Mr. Wilshaw: All right. Any other questions from any of our commissioners? Mr.
Caramagno.
Mr. Caramagno: I know when we spoke about the rezoning of this property, there
was some question about what would be required as a barrier
around this property. Would there be a vinyl fence or a concrete
wall? What have we found out about that? And would that be part
of the agreement going forward?
Mr. DiNatale: Yeah, I think we prefer to do a vinyl fence rather than any other
material just in terms of aesthetics being that it backs up to a
neighborhood. And then we're, I think that's, that's something that
would go through the planning review when we submit our plans
for the property, but we're flexible. You know, we don't have any
hard stops on facade requirements, the fencing, etc. So, we're
willing to accommodate city of love on his request. But right now,
our plan is for a vinyl fence.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay, Mr. Chairman, for the planning commissioners, is that a
requirement when you put a commercial property next to
residential, you have to have some sort of barrier?
Mr. Miller: Right, right. You have to have a protective wall, greenbelt, or in
this case, you could do a fence if that's what the neighbors want.
Mr. Caramagno: Does that choice lie with the developer or the builder, or is that
a ... is that a choice that is understood between the two parties?
Mr. Miller: That is up to you guys too during site plan approval. If you guys
approve a fence.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay. Thank you. So that's the next step. Thank you.
Mr. DiNatale: And there is fencing that exists there today. But it's all different
types of materials. There is metal and vinyl and wood, thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Caramagno. Any other questions for our
petitioner? I don't see any other questions. Anything else that
you'd like to state before we move to our audience members?
Mr. DiNatale: No. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Alright. Just take a seat for a moment. We'll see if there's anyone
in our audience wishing to speak for or against this petition.
You're welcome to come forward and give your thoughts. We do
have one person in the audience coming forward at this time.
Good evening, sir.
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Tim Orow, 19069 Glengarry, Livonia, MI. I live right behind the house. Right on the
corner of Glengarry and Seven Mile. Sorry, you never talked to
us? So, I'm not sure what neighbors...
Mr. Wilshaw: Sir, if you could please talk to us.
Mr. Crow: I never had a conversation with this person. All I saw was a sign
outside the property saying it was going to be rezoned. I know
absolutely nothing about what is planned for the property, what it
would look like. I mean, I had to face that current resident's home
for years, and it's always looked like that, and then they took the
roof off. But, you know, we were happy to see that it was going to
get demolished. So, my concerns are I just don't know what really
is planned. Nothing was discussed with us. I don't know what
neighbors were consulted about future plans.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. What is your thought on what you've heard so far today?
Obviously, you're still learning, but what's your opinion in terms of
the rezoning and development of this property.
Mr. Crow: There is already a commercial building next door to that. I'm not
sure what other options are for that property other than leaving it
vacant, which causes other issues. I'm not totally against it. I
just... since I backup to it, it would be nice to know what it would
look like. Things like that and understand the usage. That's not
an issue. It's just not a very wide site, so I don't know how that
would get laid out, as far as what is the traffic going to look like.
Just, you know, the aesthetics.
Mr. Wilshaw: Sure. Okay, well, let me at least explain, we do have some
conceptual ideas of what the... how the property is going to be
laid out, the petitioner may be able to give you some of that, so
that you can see it. In fact, I think he's handing it to you right now.
But for what it's worth, just so you know how this process works,
we're in the zoning process right now to rezone the property from
its current residential zoning to this commercial use, which also
includes office use. We don't have a separate zoning for office at
this point. So that's why their intention is to use it as an office not
as a commercial building, if you want to consider it that way. But
what we're going to do is make a decision today on the zoning
part of the process. Once that happens, then he has to go to the
City Council. City Council has to approve that zoning as well and
then he's going to come back to us in a separate process called
the site plan. And that's where we really get into the nitty gritty of
what the building is going to look like, how it's gonna be laid out,
the materials, the parking lot, the fencing, all those types of
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things. So that's the second part. That's the second half of this
process, if you will. So, you do have another chance, for what it's
worth, to come back and watch that process as well and give your
input. So, I just want to share that with you.
Mr. Orow: Yeah and as I said, I'm not opposed. Just surprised.
Mr. Wilshaw: You just want to learn more about it, too.
Mr. Orow: Yeah, it does affect us in some regards, especially being close
proximity. Definitely understand any, obviously, anything is an
improvement.
Mr. Wilshaw: Well, thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you for your comments, sir. Anyone else in the audience
wishing to speak on this item? either for or against? If not, the
petitioner certainly has a chance to make a last comment if he
wants to. I think he's already had a chance to make comments.
Is there anything else you wanted to add?
Mr. DiNatale: No, but again, we're very flexible. Very flexible, and, you know,
happy to give out my information and discuss offline as well. The
neighbors that I spoke to received this piece of paper with a
description of what we're looking to do and the picture of the
rendering.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, great. And I appreciate you providing that to this particular
resident who obviously didn't get that. So that's good.
Mr. DiNatale: Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you. All right. If there's no other comments, I can close the
public hearing and a motion would be an order from the
Commission.
On a motion by Bongero, seconded by Dinara, and unanimously adopted, it was
#10-60-2023 RESOLVED, That the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2023-09-01-05
submitted by Matick Construction L.L.C. under Sections 13.13
and 13.15 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended,
requesting to rezone the property at 37739 Seven Mile Road,
located on the south side of Seven Mile Road between Blue Skies
Drive and Glengarry Drive in the Northeast ''Y4 of Section 7, from
N2 (Neighborhood) to C-1 (Local Business)., be approved subject
to the following conditions:
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1. The Petitioner has agreed to voluntarily offer a conditional
zoning agreement under MCL 125.3405 of the Michigan
Zoning Enabling Act, Act 110 of 2006, which will include a
statement of conditions that will limit the use of the
property for general office purposes only.
2. Changing the zoning of the property to C-1, Local
Business, and restricting the use to a general office is
appropriate given the unique circumstances of this
property, including its size and location.
3. Development of the site consistent with the conceptual
plan presented by the Petitioner would be compatible with
the surrounding neighborhood and an enhancement.
4. The proposed zoning change represents a reasonable and
logical plan for the subject property that adheres to sound
land use planning principles.
FURTHER RESOLVED, That notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 13.13 and
13.15 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2023-08-02-12 C & M Corporation
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2023-
08-02-12 submitted by C and M Corporation, requesting approval
of all plans required by Sections 3.11, 5.01 and 13.13 of the
Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended, to construct a multi -
tenant retail building with a drive -up window at 29150 Five Mile
Road, located on the north side of Five Mile Road between
Harrison Avenue and Middlebelt Road in the Southwest '% of
Section 13.
Mr. Miller: This site measures 100 feet along Five Mile Road by a depth of
approximately 220 feet along Cavour Avenue. It is zoned C-2
(General Business). This is the former site of the Wright's
Hardware store. Wright's Hardware closed in 2022 and was
demolished earlier this year. The site, with the exception of a
concrete parking pad, is currently vacant. The subject site abuts
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a shopping center to the east. The subject site and the adjacent
shopping center are owned by the same owner. The plan shows
a one-story commercial building, approximately 5,110 square feet
in gross floor area. The building would be positioned
approximately in the middle of the site and would appear to be an
extension of the adjacent shopping center. Parking would be
located in the north and south sides of the building. The floorplan
shows that the building would be divided up into three units. A
drive-thru window is planned along the west side of the building.
Access to the site would be by two driveways off the side street,
Cavour Avenue. The service lane for the drive -up window runs
along the west side of the proposed building. The required
parking for a building of this size would be 27 parking spaces.
The site plan shows 30 parking spaces. As for landscaping, this
site is unique in that it borders three streets, Five Mile to the
south, Cavour to the west and Lancaster Drive to the north.
Landscaping along those street frontages is required. The
building would be constructed out of brick and limestone. It would
have an architectural stepped parapet wall. and E.I.F.S crown
molding along the top of the roofline. It would also have structural
canopies over the windows and doors. A dumpster location is
shown in the northeast corner of the property. All light standards
would be 20 feet in height. And that is the extent of the proposal.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Miller. Is there correspondence?
Mr. Uhazie: The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated September
11, 2023, which reads as follows: `In accordance with your
request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above
referenced petition. We have no objections to the proposed
project at this time but would like to note the following items: 1.
The subject parcel is assigned the address of #29150 Five Mile
Road. Once drawings have been submitted for permits, the
Engineering Department will assign additional addresses if
needed. 2. The legal description included with the submitted
drawings appears to be correct and should be used in conjunction
with this project should the waiver use be approved. 3. The
existing parcel is currently serviced by public sanitary sewer,
water main and storm sewer. The submitted drawings do not
include any information regarding proposed services to the
buildings, but we do not believe there will be any negative impacts
to the system with the proposed usages. 4. The proposed layout
indicates that the existing parking spaces within the Cavour
Avenue right-of-way are to remain, which is not allowed. No
parking will be allowed within the abutting rights -of -way. 5. The
proposed drive aisles in the parking area to the rear of the
building do not line up with the existing plaza to the east. The
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proposed construction shows a 34' wide drive aisle, while the
existing drive aisle to the east is the standard 22' wide. It would
be preferred to have the parking areas and drive aisles match, as
long as there is not an underlying reason for the additional drive
width. Also, the existing masonry wall should be removed entirely,
not just a 20 wide pass -through, so as to create better sight lines
when traversing the parking lot. 6. The submitted drawings do not
indicate any storm sewer information, but the proposed
development will be required to meet the Wayne County
Stormwater Ordinance. The developer will need to obtain storm
sewer permits through the Wayne County Department of Public
Service prior to construction. 7. No construction or soil
disturbance (including dumping of materials) should occur on the
site until the owner obtains the appropriate permits. (Engineering
Earthwork, SESC, etc.) 8. Any work within the Five Mile Road
right-of-way will require permitting through Wayne County." The
letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer.
The next letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated
September 21, 2023, which reads as follows: "This office has
reviewed the site plan submitted in connection with a request to
construct a commercial building on property located at the above
referenced address. We have no objections to this proposal. A
further detailed plan review will take place when this division
receives an official plan set." The letter is signed by Brian Kukla,
Fire Marshal. The next letter is from the Division of Police, dated
August 31, 2023, which reads as follows: `I have reviewed the
plans in connection with the petition. I have no objections to the
proposal."The letter is signed by Paul Walters, Sergeant, Traffic
Bureau. The next letter is from the Inspection Department, dated
October 2, 2023, which reads as follows: " Pursuant to your
request, the above -referenced Petition has been reviewed. 1.
Parking spaces shall be 10' wide by 20' deep and double striped.
2. Two barrier -free parking spaces are required based on the total
number of parking spaces provided, which is 30. Barrier -free
parking spaces shall be sized and marked in accordance with
ANSI A117.1-2009. 3. Signage shall be in accordance with the
Livonia Zoning Ordinance or a variance from the Zoning Board of
Appeals would be required. 4. No provisions for a dumpster
enclosure are shown for this project. The Commission and/or
Council may wish to address how trash will be handled on this
property. This Department has no further objections to this
Petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Director of
Inspection. The next letter is from the Finance Department, dated
September 5, 2023, which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the
addresses connected with the above noted petition. As there are
no outstanding amounts receivable, general or water and sewer,
I have no objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by
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Connie Kumpula, Chief Accountant. The next letter is from the
Treasurer's Department, dated September 25, 2023, which reads
as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Treasurer's
Office has reviewed the name and addresses connected with the
above noted petition. At this time there are no taxes due,
therefore I have no objections to the proposal." The letter is
signed by Lynda Scheel, Treasurer. That is it.
Mr. Wilshaw: All right. Thank you, Mr. Uhazie. Are there any questions of our
planning staff? Mr. Bongero.
Mr. Bongero: Just one thing for the planning staff. It does show on our site plan
that there is a dumpster enclosure. I know Mr. Hanna's
correspondence said there wasn't one, but there is one.
Mr. Miller: Yes, his letter was received before the plans were revised.
Mr. Bongero: Okay. Yeah, I just want to bring that up. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Bongero. Mr. Ventura. Did you have something?
Mr. Ventura: Scott, I note in the write up, the last paragraph says the main
issues raised the study meeting included the need for
professional landscape plan, the overall appearance, and the
relationship between the architecture and color scheme of the
new building compared to the architecture and colors of the
existing building that it will attach to, the potential need for a
sidewalk along Cavour and Lancaster streets and the extent and
treatment of the parapet on the tower portion of the building.
These were all discussed at the study meeting. Has the petitioner
revised these and been addressed by the petitioner?
Mr. Miller: The only thing that the petitioner has changed is the rear parapet
wall on the elevation plans. If you look at the new elevation plans,
the parapet wall has been raised four feet. That is the only change
submitted.
Mr. Ventura: So, the balance of these issues are unresolved at this point?
Mr. Miller: Correct.
Mr. Ventura: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Ventura. Mr. Miller, that shows on our plans. I
think it says a four -foot metal cap. Is that what you're referring to?
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Mr. Miller: Yes, I think metal cap refers to the four -inch decorative crown
molding along the top edge. The parapet wall has been extended
four feet.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, the Dryvit crown is what you're referring to then?
Mr. Miller: Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. I just want to make sure we understood what you're
referring to. Any other questions for our planning staff? If not, our
petitioner is in the audience. Feel free to come forward to the
podium. Introduce yourself name and address. Good evening.
You can set those there and then we can have our cameras and
our crack hammer team can get those on TV as well, you can put
them on the floor. That'll work. That's fine. Perfect. Thank you.
That way we can see that on our TV screen as well. Yeah. All
right. Thank you.
Alex Ralchouni, MA Design, 5710 Rouge Circle, Dearborn Heights, MI. How are
you doing? Hope everybody's good tonight. I am representing
Gus and Constantino Mareskas. They're the owners of the plaza
to the east. That's existing right now. And we're proposing a new
development, a new plaza, three units, about 5,110 square feet,
as Scott said. Right to the west, on the vacant property that's
there right now. Maybe I can get into the questions that was
brought up and some of the questions that were brought up, and
then maybe I can answer what I did revise to the planning
department. I
Mr. Wilshaw: I think that'd be a good start, and then we can take questions after
that.
Mr. Ralchouni: So yeah, as far as the dumpsters, as you can see on the site plan,
a dumpster enclosure is provided. As far as the other engineering
questions, the wall that's dividing the east property to the west
property in the back, that was taken out prior on revision number
two, and you know, and then the sidewalk, I did make a phone
call to I think it was Todd from the Engineering Department. I
spoke to him, and he said, it's not required, and I emphasized you
sure? Are you going to talk to the planning, and he said, if
anything, if I did change my mind or anything like that, I'll make
sure I send an email or call you back. He was sure of himself that
a sidewalk is not required on Cavour, and you can speak to Todd
from Engineering. Okay. As far as some of the other items that
were brought up about the elevations, that the elevation that I did,
revise, and I sent an email to Mark and Scott was the building is
what was the building that I drew is existing is the same building
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that I drew from the plans that you have. The only thing that I'm
trying to show Mark and trying to express my idea and my thought
was that the parapet wall is high already on the drawing, I got a
20-foot-high wall. I mean, there is a pretty high wall already. I was
trying to show him the line of where the roof line is. It is 16 feet,
that's where the metal deck is, and the parapet wall carries four
feet higher than that. So that's already within the building, look in
the building design, the screen is there. They'll just be screening,
anything that's behind that, that four -foot barrier. And it's not
changing none of the designs that I already created on the
drawings that you have and the drawings, you know, I haven't
changed anything. As far as that I just showed the line of where
the roofline is. As far as the crown and how it carries through the
side, it's still going to look like something close to the rendering,
but I did revise that and I showed on the rear elevation, the crown,
how it's shaped and how it's cut off at the back of the eight -inch
block wall, if you look at the rear elevation. I hope you can
understand it. If you need more explanation, I'll try to show it to
you visually, with the drawings that I have. Other than that, if
there's any other questions that you want to bring up or anything
like that, the owners I know are happy to try to build something
right there to try to make that area more viable, especially with
the plaza that they have to the east. And they wanted to
accomplish something where it's more of a modern look, and
something up to date. And they were happy with the design and
we're hoping that you're happy with that design. And I think it'll,
it'll be a viable thing for them to bring in tenants and, and to bring
more traffic to that area.
Mr. Wilshaw: All right. Thank you for your presentation. Let's see if we have
any questions from any of our commissioners for you. Is there
any questions? Mr. Bongero.
Mr. Bongero: The telephone poles. What's going on with those? I know the one
is right in the middle of the building envelope. So obviously that's
going to be moved. But yeah, it doesn't even look like you're
getting electric electrical from those poles. Looks like it's going...
Mr. Ralchouni: Yeah, we're gonna have to reroute that electric post and I think
there's that one. Yeah, please, you can answer probably that a
little bit better.
Mr. Wilshaw: Just introduce yourself.
Constantine Mareskas, VP of Real Estate for C & M Corporation, 2045 Amboy,
Dearborn Heights, MI. So, with the electrical poles I talked to
DTE already. That electrical actually does not supply the building
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that we're looking to do. Once we have the site plan approved,
we can petition DTE to remove the electrical and reroute it.
Mr. Bongero: Okay. I did have another question. It might go to Scott but on the
existing building that you're attaching to. And let me talk about
the new one. The roof top equipment, we don't see anything on
it, we're assuming that new parapet forefoot extension is going to
cover it, or most of it right?
Mr. Ralchouni: Yeah, yeah. So, what I was just trying to say is, the building has,
you know, the building back wall sidewalls, the sidewalls are even
higher than the back wall. You know, and I think they're level all
the way around, except for the where the front crown is protruding
a little bit upwards more. So, the rest of it's all level, what I'm trying
to say is that if the roof, the roof ladders, up to up to here, were
right above that line.
Mr. Bongero: Yeah, I understand that parapet extends up that.
Mr. Ralchouni: So, it's going to be part of the building. So you're not going to...
Mr. Bongero: I get that. I totally follow that. On the one that it's attaching to, all
those rooftop units that serve that building are just roof mounted.
They're fully exposed. Are you... is there any intention, or is there
any requirement, going to Scott possibly, that those would have
to be screened? Or is that something that just slipped through the
cracks through the years?
Mr. Miller: I believe so. I mean, it would be hard to just come out of the blue
and say, cover those? I mean, I guess. I think they are planning
on eventually redoing that center.
Mr. Bongero: I guess that's my question. Is there? Are there plans for future
improvements on the existing building?
Mr. Ralchouni: On the existing building? Well, that's something maybe he can
answer.
Mr. Mareskas: So, we are looking at that right now. We're kind of focused... we
have... this is step one of what we're looking to do is this new
center. We wanted something more modern. Something more
open. That's been a big negative from any showings we've done
or any other tenants, we've tried to contract, especially larger
tenants, or more established tenants. So, we wanted to have
more of a modern look with this. Step two, as was mentioned, I
believe Mr. Ventura mentioned it, was that there's a parking issue
that we have in the back. That's going to be resolved with another
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parcel that we have further east of that behind these strip malls,
which is going to be the next development we're focusing on and
then we want the middle to all come together eventually. I don't
have a exact timeline on that.
Mr. Bongero Yeah. But and I'm not asking it to be done. I'm just saying, I don't
know how that got missed, because it's literally there, right on the
roof.
Mr. Mareskas: That was prior to my time working there. So, my dad might be
able to answer that, but...
Mr. Bongero: It's okay. I understand. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Bongero. Any other questions for our petitioner?
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Ventura.
Mr. Ventura: The other questions I asked at the study session revolved around
redoing the site plan and landscaping as Mr. Taormina
requested. I don't see any movement on that in your case.
Mr. Ralchouni: So yeah, the landscaping plan. I mean, we answered all the
questions regarding the number of plants and all that the only
question was about the species. So, the species of the... so the
kind of tree or the kind of shrub that we're going to be using. So
yeah, I'm gonna be hiring a landscape architect. I just... in one
week I couldn't really get a hold of one that quick and get them
going. But eventually, yeah, if you can approve it, contingent upon
having a landscape architect, we would appreciate that. But one
will be hired.
Mr. Ventura: So, you're planning on doing it?
Mr. Ralchouni: Oh, for sure.
Mr. Ventura: Thank you. The other question was that the Mexican restaurant
appears to be stopped. In terms of completing the construction.
The windows are papered over and the paper is falling down and
is... it looks like it's been there for quite a long time. Can you give
us an idea of when that when you anticipate that to be complete?
Mr. Mareskas: So that's at the other property, right? It's a third property from my
knowledge, it has not stopped. They've only been under
construction for two months and are actually working remarkably
fast for a restaurant. I have not been told anything about them
being stopped. I know they were doing a lot of inside work as far
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as building the counters. I have not heard of anything being
stopped. I met with him last week and he had not mentioned that
they were stopped.
Mr. Ventura: So, you anticipate that to be completed in the relatively near
future?
Mr. Mareskas: I last ... when I spoke to him last week, he was hoping by the end
of the month he would open. I haven't heard anything to convince
me otherwise, if anything, two months tops, but to do a restaurant
build out in there in two months, it's quite... he's working quite
quickly.
Mr. Ventura: There's a lot of detail. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Ventura. And any other questions for petitioner?
Mr. Caramagno.
Mr. Caramagno: I got a couple of questions, couple concerns. The sidewalk is a
concern of mine, especially if there's going to be a drive thru on
the western side of this property. I know there is a big apartment
complex behind there to the north. I'm sure there's a lot of foot
traffic that comes through there up and down to Five Mile Road,
and I would envision them probably walking through that parking
lot, in some ways. So, sidewalks are going to be an issue for me.
The dumpster location is also an issue with me at this point. I
don't think there's enough room. I don't know what that
measurement looks like, exactly, but visually at this point, that
dumpster location is far too tight for a truck to service the
dumpster at the way it sits now. Have you looked at it and
measured it to see what's gonna be required?
Mr. Ralchouni: I mean, usually, I don't like to put the dumpster closer to the
street, where it's visible. So that's why I put it more on the inside
of the property. But another suggestion, and the owner really
would like this. But I drew it in there, because that was required
by the Planning Department. He would like to utilize the dumpster
that he has next door and have a shared dumpster. Even if he
had to enlarge it. He would like to keep the dumpster for the whole
center in one spot. I don't know if that's something you would want
or you would be in favor of.
Mr. Caramagno: If there's a dumpster required for this property, I think it's probably
logical that it be there. What I'm saying is the location of this is a
terrible location, the way it sits here, and I realize you don't want
it by the street but putting it in a location that cannot be serviced
properly doesn't help anybody. It creates more problems than it
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is woth. So that's my second concern. And I have a question for
you about the drive thru. You started telling us a little bit about
that last time, what exactly the drive thru what your vision or
thought is for the drive thru? Tell us a little more about that.
Mr. Ralchouni: Yeah, as far as the tenants and what he's looking for, I guess you
could probably answer that a little bit more.
Mr. Mareskas: So, with the drive thru, we were just kind of taking a look at what
could... up until we purchased this property and had demolished
Wright's Hardware, we had a hard time filling the property. Part
of that was Wrights Hardware was jettison out, and it was
blocking visibility, which was another complaint we had heard
from a lot of tenants that were looking at the property. We're trying
to figure out a way to maximize the potential of the property and
one of the things that we came up with was a drive-thru. There is
no drive-thru on that side of Five Mile. I think that's our opportunity
to get some type of drugstore anchor, we're not really looking
ideally for any type of fast-food type place. We're either looking
for more of a pickup window or some type of drugstore. I had
conversations with someone who...I think I mentioned this at the
study meeting about a drive thru flower shop, something just to
spur a little bit more foot traffic into the property. Something to be
a little bit more of an anchor and cap for the property.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay, so when you when you say drugstore, for pharmaceuticals
and things like that, or a flower shop. I understand that that's
unique, but what is the order board for that is behind here? Or
what, are you going to order Viagra and Oxycodone?
Mr. Mareskas: That was just something...I want to leave it as open as possible
to any type of concept that can come through. So, we just put that
into the plan because if it is someone who is doing some type of
food service, we want to have that opportunity. Ideally, we think
we can facilitate that opportunity.
Mr. Caramagno: So, you're pushing it towards a flower shop or a pharmacy, but
you put this in there just case?
Mr. Marskas: To be honest, I'm trying to market this as wide as I possibly can.
I would like to ideally try to fill the property as fast as possible
upon building it. I have my preferences, but if like outside if a
coffee shop does come in, they would need some type of order
board. I would like to be able to facilitate that and market it
towards that as well.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay, thank you.
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Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Caramagno. Any other questions for our
petitioner?
Mr. Wilshaw: I think we've covered all our questions that we have. Is there
anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item? I don't
believe so. Is there anything else that you guys would like to say
before we make our decision?
Mr. Ralchouni: I mean, if you have big concerns about that dumpster enclosure
you could try...I mean, if you have... if you can suggest anything
where you would like that dumpster, we can place it anywhere
that you... that's what's in favor for you know, for the
commissioners,
Mr. Caramagno: I understand, I don't want...
Mr. Ralchouni: I tried to put it away from the sight of the public that are driving up
and down the street. If you want to put it on the opposite side
toward the building, I think maybe that's a better idea. That will be
even away from the people that are in the back, but it's going to
be buffered with landscape anyways and we can buffer it more
all the way around the screen wall with more landscaping. When
I hire a landscape architect, IT make sure he buffers it with
arborvitae or whatever he suggests.
Mr. Caramagno: Yeah, I'm less interested in my buffering at this point, and I
certainly don't want to use this meeting to redesign the land. I
think there's a lot of shortcomings here, what you presented
tonight, and I think there's probably something better out there.
So that's my opinion.
Mr. Wilshaw: All right. I think we can work on that as we go forward with this.
Thank you. If there's nothing else from the commission or the
petitioner, then I can close the public hearing and a motion would
be an order.
On a motion by Caramagno, seconded by Ventura, and adopted, it was:
#10-61-2023 RESOLVED, That pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
by the City Planning Commission on October 17, 2023, on
Petition 2023-08-02-12 submitted by C and M Corporation,
requesting approval of all plans required by Sections 3.11, 5.01
and 13.13 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended, to
construct a multi -tenant retail building with a drive -up window at
29150 Five Mile Road, located on the north side of Five Mile Road
between Harrison Avenue and Middlebelt Road in the Southwest
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%of Section 13, the Planning Commission does hereby table this
item to a date undetermined.
Mr. Wilshaw: There is no discussion on tabling motions.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Dinaro, Bongero, Ventura, Caramagno, Wilshaw
NAYS:
Long
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
None
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2023-09-08-07
Bad's Estates
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2023-
09-08-07 submitted by Soave Homes requesting approval of the
Master Deed, Bylaws, and site plan under Section 7.27 of the
Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended, to develop a site
condominium (Baci's Estates) consisting of five (5) single-family
homes on the properties at 36143, 36155 and 36167 Parkdale
Avenue, located on the south side of Parkdale Avenue between
Arthur Avenue and Levan Road in the Northeast 'Y4 of Section 32.
Mr. Miller: Currently the subject site consists of three parcels. All three
parcels are undeveloped. The zoning of all three parcels is N1
(Neighborhood), which requires a minimum lot area of 6,000
square feet with lot dimensions of 50 feet in width by 120 feet in
depth. The subject site is surrounded by single-family residential
homes. The site plan shows five new homes. Units two through
five are similar in size and measure 52 feet wide by 120 feet in
depth for a total lot area of 6,214 feet. Unit one, which is the
westernmost unit on the corner of Parkdale and Levan, is slightly
larger measuring 60. 91 feet in width by 120 feet in depth for a
total lot area 7,309 feet. That is the extent of this petition.
Mr. Wilshaw: Alright, thank you, Mr. Miller. Do we have correspondence on this
item?
Mr. Uhazie: Yes. The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated
September 19, 2023, which reads as follows: "In accordance
with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the
above referenced petition. We have no objections to the
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proposed project at this time but would like to note the following
items: 1. The subject parcels are assigned the addresses of
#36143, #36155 and #36167 Parkdale Avenue. Once the
development has been approved and permitsare issued, the
Engineering Department will assign addresses to the
individual units. 2. The legal descriptions included with the
submitted drawings appear to be correct with the exception
of the description for the westerly parcel (125-99-0005-005,
#16167 Parkdale) which excludes the west 33 feet for Levan
Road right-of-way. As of this time, the roadway right-of-way
has not been dedicated to the City and should be considered
part of the parcel. If the descriptions are meant to convey the
legal descriptions once the condominium has been
developed, there should be one overall description for the
entire condominium parcel, and not 3 separate descriptions.
3. The existing parcel is currently serviced by the public water
main, and public storm sewer will be extended to the site by
the City. Public sanitary sewer is located on the neighboring
parcel to the southeast, but the developer will need to obtain
additional easements from those property owners to extend
the sanitary to the condominium property as shown. The
width of the existing easements does not meet the current
minimum standards, and the proposed angle of the sanitary
extension will require additional easements to be dedicated
to allow for future maintenance. We do not believe the
additional flows from the development will negatively impact
the existing systems. 4. The Owner and his Engineer have
been in contact with this department on requirements for the
proposed development, and review comments of the first
plan submittal have been provided to the owner/engineer. 5.
The proposed development will be required to meet the Wayne
County Stormwater Ordinance. Per the submitted drawings,
stormwater calculations and detention are not shown on the
submitted drawings. 6. Per the proposed layouts, all storm
sewers, including detention basins, will be privately- owned.
Sanitary sewer and water main will be public, located within
dedicated easements on the site or in the existing right-of-way.
Easements will need to be of minimum width as required in the
Engineering Department Site Plan Design Standards. 7. No
additional construction or soil disturbance (including dumping of
materials) should occur on the site until the owner obtains the
appropriate permits. (Engineering Earthwork, SESC, etc.) 8.
The Master Deed and Bylaws that were submitted do not
include the referenced Exhibit (or Form) 'B" drawings as
referenced in the Master Deed. As those drawings define the
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size and locations of proposed easements, we are not able to
review those items at this time. The permit drawings do show
proposed easement locations, and we have previously returned
comments on those to the Owner/Engineer"The letter is signed
by David W. Lear, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The next letter
is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated September 21,
2023, which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site
plan submitted in connection with a request to construct a
commercial building on property located at the above
referenced address. We have no objections to this proposal.
Thank you for the details on fire hydrant placement. A further
detailed plan review will take place when this division receives
an official plan set." The letter is signed by Brian Kukla, Fire
Marshal. The next letter is from the Division of Police, dated
October 5, 2023, which reads as follows: `I have reviewed the
plans in connection with the petition. I have no objections to the
proposal."The letter is signed by Paul Walters, Sergeant, Traffic
Bureau. The next letter is from the Inspection Department, dated
October 9, 2023, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your
request the above -referenced petition has been reviewed. This
Department has no objections to this petition." The letter is
signed by Jerome Hanna, Director of Inspection. The next letter
is from the Finance Department, dated September 20, 2023,
which reads as follows: "I have reviewed the addresses
connected with the above noted petition. As there are no
outstanding amounts receivable, general or water and sewer, I
have no objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by
Connie Kumpula, Chief Accountant. The next letter is from the
Treasurer's Department, dated October 2, 2023, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request the Treasurer's Office
has reviewed the address connected with the above noted
petition. At this time, there are no outstanding amounts
receivable for taxes. Therefore, I have no objections to the
proposal."The letter is signed by Lynda Scheel, Treasurer. That
is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Wilshaw: That was a lotto read. Thank you for that. Are there any questions
of our planning staff?
Mr. Bongero: Scott, do we know how far apart the home spacing is?
Mr. Miller: They are showing a seven feet setback, so about 14 feet between
houses.
Mr. Bongero: But is that... that's kind of confusing because it seems...I mean, I
guess each lot is 6,200 square feet, right?
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Mr. Miller: Right.
Mr. Bongero: So, they're going to be 14 feet. Each house would be 14 feet
apart.
Mr. Miller: Yes.
Mr. Bongero: So, it's 14, because the arrows pointing to the building envelope,
and I don't know if that's the actual building or...
Mr. Miller: The building envelopes represent where the houses have to be
built. Most houses aren't exactly the size of the envelope, but they
do define their boundaries.
Mr. Bongero: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Bongero. Any other questions for our planning
staff?
Mr. Caramagno: This version shows 50-foot-wide lots for the four eastern lots.
Were they changed to 52 feet?
Mr. Miller: Yes. The revised plan now shows them at 52 feet wide except for
the one on the corner which would be approximately 61 feet wide.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay, so four at 52 feet and one at almost 61 feet.
Mr. Miller: Correct.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Caramagno, that's a good question. Are there any
other questions for our planning staff? If not, our petitioner's
representative, Mr. Duggan, is here. Good evening, sir.
Brian Duggan, 14315 Denne, Livonia, Michigan 48154. How are you guys doing
tonight? Yes. Mr. Taormina called me, and we worked out a
different site plan. He wanted to go to the 52 foot instead of the
50 and shrink down the corner one because we still have plenty
of setback. So, the Planning Department is on board as far as I
know, and Engineering is on board with all those changes. And I
did not go across the street and measure houses because Mark
told me not to do that.
Mr. Wilshaw: You didn't want to be out there with your wheel?
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Mr. Duggan: Well, I don't problem doing it, but he told me not to.
Mr. Wilshaw: Probably not the best idea. All right, good. Well, thank you for
providing that updated information. Are there any questions for
our planning or for our petitioner?
Mr. Ventura: Just for the edification and elucidation for everyone here, I did
measure the distance between the houses across the street. And
they're 15 and a half feet apart. Not very different than what the
petition is proposing.
Mr. Wilshaw: So, you used Mr. Duggan's wheel?
Mr. Ventura: My laser.
Mr. Wilshaw: Wow. Okay. You went up the lasers now.
Mr. Duggan: I have my wheel in my car from the spree so I can walk it.
Mr. Wilshaw: Alright, well, that's good information. Thank you. Any other
questions, comments from any of our commissioners? Mr.
Caramagno.
Mr. Caramagno: Brian, the pictures, the renderings that you showed of the houses,
There, they got a lot of brick on them. Is that only in the front? Or
will that be along the sides as well?
Mr. Duggan: No, that's only on the front.
Mr. Caramagno: It's only on the fronts. What about the sides? Siding top to bottom
or what?
Mr. Duggan: Yes. Top to bottom at this point.
Mr. Caramagno: So, no brick, no brick on the sides at all.
Mr. Duggan: That's not what he's doing lately over there at the Dundee
property. That's what he's going to do.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay.
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Miller, regarding that subject, I thought that requirement for
brick and all four sides used to be part of our ordinance. Is that
still in there?
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Mr. Miller: It was not in the ordinance but was typically a condition. Usually
something like 80% brick on the first story, and I think 60% brick
on the second floor.
Mr. Wilshaw: Yeah, that's pretty standard verbiage.
Mr. Miller: If you want, that could be added to the approving conditions.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, so that could be a condition. Okay.
Mr. Duggan: We could just do a two -foot belt on the sides and the back and
the front brick. That's kind of an attractive look.
Mr. Wilshaw: All right. Yeah, certainly. That's all ... you know, more than
anybody, Mr. Duggan, the character of homes in this city versus
many of the other communities so we, you know, we like our
brick.
Mr. Duggan: I know you do. I remember Mr. Jonna came he said I'm going to
wear a brick suit one day, so...
Mr. Wilshaw: I could believe it. All right. Any other questions from any of our
commissioners, for our petitioner? I see no other questions.
There's no one else in the audience to speak on this item. Is there
anything else you'd like to add Mr. Dugan?
Mr. Duggan: No, feel free if you want to make some changes. I really want to
walk out with your approval on this form. So...
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. All right. Well, let's see what happens when we go back to
the commission and see if someone will offer a motion.
On a motion by Ventura, seconded by Long, and unanimously adopted, it was
#10-62-2023 RESOLVED, That the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to City Council that Petition 2023-09-08-07
submitted by Soave Homes requesting approval of the Master
Deed, Bylaws, and site plan under Section 7.27 of the Livonia
Zoning Ordinance, as amended, to develop a site condominium
(Baci's Estates) consisting of five (5) single-family homes on the
properties at 36143, 36155 and 36167 Parkdale Avenue, located
on the south side of Parkdale Avenue between Arthur Avenue
and Levan Road in the Northeast'/4 of Section 32, be approved
subject to the following conditions:
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1. The Site Plan identified as Sheet 3, dated October 13, 2023,
prepared by Arpee/Donnan, Inc., is hereby approved and
shall be adhered to.
2. All disturbed lawn areas, including road rights -of -way, shall
be sodded in lieu of hydroseeding.
3. Sidewalks shall be provided along Parkdale and Levan as
determined by the Engineering Department.
4. The condominium Master Deed and Bylaws comply with the
requirements of the Subdivision Control Ordinance, Title 16,
Chapter 16.04-16.40 of the Livonia Code of Ordinances, and
Section 7.27 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance, as amended.
5. The petitioner shall include language in the Master Deed
and Bylaws that requires the condominium association to
reimburse the City of Livonia for any maintenance or repair
costs incurred for the stormwater detention/retention and
outlet facilities and gives the City the right to impose liens in
the event the charges are not paid within thirty (30) days.
6. This site shall meet either the City of Livonia or the Wayne
County Storm Water Management Ordinance, whichever
applies, and the developer shall secure a soil erosion and
sedimentation control permit before commencing any
grading activities on the site.
7. The developer and all contractors and subcontractors shall
employ best management practices to prevent, reduce, and
mitigate the problems associated with soil erosion and
airborne dirt and dust from migrating off -site, including
provisions for erosion control barriers, daily street sweeping,
watering, and halting earthwork activities on days when the
wind conditions are likely to cause a problem.
8. Only a conforming entrance marker is approved with this
petition, and any additional signage shall be separately
submitted for review and approval by the Zoning Board of
Appeals.
9. All required cash deposits, certified checks, irrevocable
bank letters of credit, and/or surety bonds shall be deposited
with the City prior to the issuance of engineering permits;
and
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10. Pursuant to Section 13.13 of the Livonia Zoning Ordinance,
as amended, this approval is valid for a period of one year
only from the date of approval by the City Council, and
unless a building permit is obtained, this approval shall be
null and void at the expiration of said period.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Caramagno: I don't remember the houses in the neighborhood. Are they all
brick? Do they have brick on the sides?
Mr. Wilshaw: Is that question to... anybody know, anybody recall?
Mr. Wilshaw: Mr. Miller, do you happen to know?
Mr. Miller: I didn't look. Sorry.
Mr. Ventura: There was brick on some of them.
Mr. Caramagno: Is there siding right to the grass?
Mr. Ventura: Yeah. some of them are.
Mr. Caramagno: Are they? Okay, well, maybe these match. And then my second
question is about the conforming entrance marker in number
eight? This is for a condominium, is that what that's for?
Mr. Miller: Yes, correct.
Mr. Caramagno: Is it required for a five -unit condominium? Is it necessary?
Mr. Miller: No. We just put it in there to make sure, if they install one, it must
be conforming. They don't have to put one up.
Mr. Caramagno: Okay. All right. That's my questions. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know any other questions or
comments on the motion?
Mr. Caramagno: Just as we come back, Wafa is showing me some pictures
of ... these houses in the neighborhood are all brick and the sides
and back have nothing on them.
Mr. Duggan: I think to the west they are not though. And I think the new
subdivisions built back in the 80s are not.
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Mr. Wilshaw: All right, thank you. All right. If everyone's satisfied, there's no
other amendments or changes to the motion to approve. I think
the Secretary can call the roll.
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to the City Council with an approving
resolution.
ITEM #4 PETITION 2022-12-01-02
St. Mary's Basilica
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2022-
12-01-02 submitted by Basilica of St. Mary — Formal withdrawal
request for the portion of the petition to rezone from PL (Public
Land) to NM3-I (Neighborhood Multifamily — Maximum 4 Stories).
Mr. Wilshaw: This item is currently on our table. Is someone willing to make a
motion to remove this from the table so we can discuss that?
On a motion by Bongero, seconded by Long, and unanimously adopted, it was:
#10-63-2024 RESOLVED, That the City Planning Commission on October 17,
2023, on Petition 2022-12-01-02 submitted by Basilica of St.
Mary — Formal withdrawal request for the portion of the petition
to rezone from PL (Public Land) to NM3-I (Neighborhood
Multifamily — Maximum 4 Stories)., does hereby remove the item
from the table.
Mr. Wilshaw: So, we will now be able to discuss this item. Mr. Miller. Any
updates or information that you'd like to provide on this?
Mr. Miller: No, just that they formally withdrew their petition.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay, yes, we did receive a letter. It's in our packet from the
petitioner asking to formally withdraw this petition from our
agenda. We do honor those requests. If someone is willing to
make a motion to accept the withdrawal without any prejudice,
the petitioner would be able to resubmit at a future date if they if
they choose to.
On a motion by Long, seconded by Dinaro, and unanimously adopted, it was:
#10-64-2023 RESOLVED, That the City Planning Commission on October 17,
2023, on Petition 2022-12-01-02 submitted by Basilica of St.
Mary — Formal withdrawal request for the portion of the petition
to rezone from PL (Public Land) to NM3-I (Neighborhood
October 17, 2023
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Multifamily — Maximum 4 Stories)., does hereby accept the
request from the petitioner for withdrawal.
Mr. Wilshaw: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,2041h Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Mr. Caramagno, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of
the Minutes of the 1,204th Public Hearing and Regular Meeting
held on August 29, 2023.
On a motion by Caramagno , seconded by Bongero , and unanimously adopted, it
was:
#10-65-2023 RESOLVED, That the Minutes of 1,204th Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on August 29,
2023, are hereby approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Bongero, Long, Ventura, Caramagno, Wilshaw
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
Dinaro
Mr. Wilshaw, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,205th Public
Hearings and Regular Meeting held on October 17, 2023, was adjourned at 8:21
p.m. /7
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ATTEST:
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, Secretary