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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2014-04-01MINUTES OF THE 1,053 RD PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA On Tuesday, Aril 1, 2014, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia held its 1,053' Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan. Mr. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Members present: Scott P. Bahr Elizabeth McIntyre R. Lee Morrow Carol A. Smiley Gerald Taylor Ian Wilshaw Members absent: None Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, and Ms. Margie Watson, Progmm Supervisor, were also present. Chairman Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council who, in tum, will hold its own public hearing and make the final determination as to whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or vacating petition. The Commission's recommendafion is forwarded to the City Council for the final delemiinafion as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their fling. The staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions, which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the proceedings tonight. ITEM #1 PETITION 2014-02-01-02 NPM ACQUISITIONS Ms. Smiley, Acting Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2014-02-01-02 submitted by NPM Acquisitions L.L.C. pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone the properties at 27403 and 27451 Schoolcraft Road, located on the southwest comer of Schoolcraff and Inkster Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 25, from OS (Office Services) and M-1 (Light Manufacturing) to C-2 (General Business). April 1, 2014 26324 Mr. Taormina: This is a request by NPM Acquisitions to rezone two properties, 27403 and 27451 Schoolcrafl Road from OS, Office Services, and M-1, Light Manufacturing, to C-2, General Business. The properties are contiguous to each other and are owned in common. They are located at the southwest corner of Schoolcrafl and Inkster Roads. The combined area of both properties is approximately 2.13 acres, including 434 feel of frontage along Schoolcrafl Road and 207 feel of frontage along Inkster Road. The larger of the two properties contains a 22,800 square foot building that was originally constructed as a grocery store but was later rezoned and used for industrial purposes, mainly as a photographic processing center. To the west and south are a variety of industrial buildings zoned M-1 and M-2. To the east across Inkster Road is Redford Township and to the north is the 1-96 Expressway. The requested C-2 zoning is in anticipation of redeveloping this site for commercial purposes. I'll give you a little bit of the history of the properly. This is a survey of the existing conditions. Prior to 1972, the zoning was C-2 reflecting the use of the site for a grocery store. In 1972, the City Planning Commission on its own motion rezoned the property to Office and the City Council concurred in that rezoning. In 1980, the properly was rezoned from Office to M-1. Again, this is the larger of the two properties containing the building. It was rezoned to M-1 in order to accommodate North American Photo. The comer parcel was excluded at that time because it was under different ownership. A development concept has been submitted with the rezoning application which shows how the site might be developed should the rezoning be approved. The building would be converted for use as a banquet facility which is treated as a permitted use in the C-2 District. You will notice that one section of the building located in the northwest corner would be demolished. That totals about 2,000 square feet leaving about 20,770 square feet overall. The reason is to facilitate additional parking on the property. There is a question of whether or not the 148 on-site parking spaces would be sufficient in order to meet the use of the banquet facility, especially when it is in full operation, but the petitioner would have to address this concern, as well as any other development related issues as part of the site plan review process should the rezoning move forward. With that, Mr. Chairman, I can read out the departmental correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Let's gel that in the record. Mr. Taormina: There is one items of correspondence from the Engineering Division, dated March 12, 2014, which reads as follows: 7n accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has April 1, 2014 26325 reviewed the above -referenced planning petition. We have no objections to the proposal rezoning petition at this time. The petition indicates that this is a change in zoning only and that no alterations will be made to the existing site. This should not affect any of the existing public utilities, and therefore will not require any Engineering Division permits. Should the owner wish to redevelop the property, they will need to contact this department to determine if permits will be required. The addresses of 27403 and 27451 Schoolcraft Road should be used in connection with this petition. The legal description provided with the petition does not close and should not be used for the proposed petition. We recommend that the owner contact the surveyor to provide an acceptable description, and corresponding drawing, to be used. Until that time, we suggest that the existing legal descriptions from City records be used to indicate the subject parcels." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer 11. We do have two additional items of correspondence, Mr. Chairman. One is from the Petitioner in the form of an email and the other one is from a party representing the sellers' of the property. Unless you'd like me to read those out, they are both here this evening and can explain in greater detail what the letters contain. Mr. Morrow: Are they very long? Mr. Taormina: No, not too bad. Mr. Morrow: Let's gel those in the record. Mr. Taormina: I will do that. The first is from Signature Associates, received on March 28, 2014, which reads as follows: 'Pursuant to your request for a written summary of the items that 1 discussed at last Tuesday's study meeting: Property Search - For the past several years, 1 have assisted Mr. Seed in the search of a building with sufficient land to support a banquet facility. Typically, a banquet facility needs a minimum 5 -to -1 property -to -building ratio for on-site parking. This requirement has been most elusive in the cities of Northville, Plymouth Canton, Westland, and Dearborn especially on streets with main road exposure. The former North American Photo building (see attachment) located at the subject address is roughly 22,000 sq. ft. building on 2.13 acres of land. This is nearly a 4 -to -1 building -to -property ratio which is why Mr. Seed decided to submit an Offer to Purchase contingent on the proper zoning approval. Zoning - The current zoning on the property is OS for the small corner parcel and M-1 for the larger parcel. From the historical research provided by an April 1, 2014 26326 environmental company, the comer lot was a gas station in the 1950's through 1970's. The larger lot had a main building constructed as a Farmer Jack which still has the remnants of the coolers left in it. Later, the building was setup as a multi - tenant facility with two other tenants, a dry cleaners and hair salon. Of course, the most recent use was as a photography studio in which customers came for portrait photos. Future Usage - As the current Real Estate Broker on this facility, most of the inquiries on this property have been for retail or commercial uses. Companies representing a furniture store, pharmacy, day care center, strip mall, restaurantlbar, church, etc., have inquired about the property so it is apparent that this location is viewed as a commercial comer. If Mr. Saad decided to sell this property in the future, 1 am certain he would have no problem in marketing it as a commercial parcel." The letter is signed by L. Jack Townsend, Signature Associates. The next item is an email from Fadi Saad, dated March 27, 2014, which reads as follows: 9 would first like to thank the Committee for their time in discussing my proposed rezoning of 27403 and 27451 Schoolcmft Road. 1 would like to offer comments regarding the intended use of the property. First, thepropertyto be used as a banquet facility which will not be competing with larger banquet facilities in the area. This banquet hall will have its own niche in serving both the multicultural community and the public from the neighboring cities as well as the City of Livonia. The facility will offer and allow its clients to bring in their own caterers to prepare specific menus according to their cultural restrictions. The facility plans on not obtaining a liquor license, therefore, no liquor will be allowed on the premises. Second, all events will have a valet parking option and we are currently in talks about a neighboring property to be used for overflow parking if necessary. Finally, we will upgrade the property by adding landscaping to give it an appealing curbside look and give the building a more contemporary design. With these comments in mind, we hope to come back and present a newly revised detailed plan for this future banquet facility project. Again, thank you for your time in considering the rezoning of this property. Regards, Fadi Saad." Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Does the Commission have any questions of the Planning Director? Mr. Bahr: I actually think that letter, assuming its correct, answered my question, but I just wanted to clarify, this would come before us again if we approved the zoning before they would move forward with actually proceeding with this development? April 1, 2014 26327 Mr. Taormina: To the extent that they propose any building modifications, then yes, they would have to come back for site plan review. Mr. Bahr: Thankyou. Thanks for that clanfcalion. Mr. Morrow: Anyone else? Is the petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and address for the record please. Fadi Saad, 13840 W. Warren, Dearborn, Michigan 48126. Good evening. On behalf ofthe petitioner, NPM Acquisitions, L.L.C. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. You've heard the presentation by Mr. Taormina. Is there anything you'd like to add to it or anything of that nature? Mr. Saad: No. Everything was stated in the letters we sent out. Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions from the Commissioners? Ms. Smiley: There was a question about parking and you were discussing possibly having an agreement so there would be more parking in the area? Mr. Saad: Yes. We're in talks with a landlord which is one parcel over on Inkster. It used to be Ross Towing. It's an auto storage place now. They're using it for truck storage. Its 2.85 acres. They're only using about an acre of it. So we're in talks possibly doing a lease or maybe purchasing that properly for additional parking if we require it. Ms. Smiley: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: I just want to advise the audience that this is a zoning petition. Its perfectly alright to introduce what you plan to do with the property, but we want to confine ourselves mainly to zoning. We're not here to develop the site plan or change the footprint of the building or anything. That would come at a later dale. We want to know what you want to do with it, but we can't develop itto a greatdeal. Are there any otherquestions? Mr. Wilshaw: A question through the Chair to Mr. Taormina. As a commercially zoned property, there are different parking requirements based on the intended use of the property. Is that correct? Mr. Taormina: That is correct. April 1, 2014 26328 Mr. Wilshaw: Say a building of this size was used as a standard multi or maybe even single tenant commercial use, say a drug store or Mr. Wilshaw: something along those lines, would the parking be adequate on Thank you, sir. this site for that type of use? Mr. Taormina: Yes, I think it would be more than adequate as it's shown on this particular plan. It would have to park at about 117. What this plan shows is 148. As a general retail use, parking is based on one space for every 150 square feel of useable floor area. This layout would conform with the City's parking standard. In fad, there would be a surplus of parking. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Then as a banquet facility, is the parking requirement different? Mr. Taormina: It is different. Its based on either the seating or building square footage but much less than the 150. It was a situation that they were shy of parking with all of the useable space of the banquet facility here under this conceptual layout. So that's why there was discussion about maybe using one room at a time, not both together, which in that case, it would comply with the ordinance but that would be a difficult thing to monitor and control. Mr. Wilshaw: Sure. Thank you. Mr. Saad, as the Chairman said, we're not going to talk much about the use of the property as much as the zoning, but based on the proposed use that we see as a banquet facility, why are you choosing this particular site and wanting to rezone this site as opposed to perhaps any other site in the City? Mr. Saad: Choosing this site, it's easy access off the highway and it's neighboring cities, which is like 15 minutes to that properly, Northville, Farmington Hills, Canton, Dearborn Heights, Dearborn. It's in the center of all these cities. I've been looking for the Iasi three years in Livonia and my real estate people confirmed that I want a place in Livonia off the highway in that area. Location is very important to us. Mr. Wilshaw: So you've been working with a real estate broker who has looked ala number of sites and you feel that this site is the most useable for you in the type of business venture that you're looking to gel into? Mr. Saad: Yes. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it April 1, 2014 26329 Mr. Bahr: Mr. Saad, first of all I compliment you and your broker for the information you provided. I had a number of questions coming here tonight, some of which I asked last week at the study meeting, but your letter is very comprehensive and frankly answered just about every one of them. One question I had for you was, you stale in your letter, typically a banquet facility of this type needs a minimum of 5-10-1 properly -lo -building ratio for on-site parking. This one has a 4-10-1 property -lo -building ratio, which isn't insignificant. How confident are you that this is going to work for you? Mr. Saad: Actually, Jack, my reallor, he's the one who wrote that letter. He has more information. Jack Townsend, Signature Associates, One Town Square, Southfield, Michigan. The search for a facility like this is rather difficult because the sites you're looking at developing to have sufficient patrons requires quite a bit of parking. So you're looking at maybe a shopping mall, which means you'd have to vacate all the tenants, demolish the building, centrally locale the building, and then gel proper ingress and egress. This actually has three curb cuts, two coming off of Schoolcratt and one coming off of Inkster. So it has very good egress and ingress. Very difficult to find when you're looking at an industrial building which typically are long and narrow, and are situated to max out a properly, 2-10-1, 3 -to -1 building -lo -property ratio. So I listed this building about a year and a half ago. I kept getting all of these retail calls. I finally decided I should call and tell Fadi about it because even though it's industrial, it would work very well for the type of use that he had in mind. That's how it came to be. Its a good sized building. It doesn't need to be modified too much. There was a little bit of additional space from this drawing on the west side of the building, two additions, and those are coming down. So it actually reduces the footprint of the building to help minimize or reduce the amount of parking necessary on site. Hopefully, that answers your question. Mr. Bahr: That all makes sense, but when you stated it was a 5-10-1 ratio, its a 4 -to -1 ratio, you're apparently okay with that. I guess with the negotiations you have with a neighbor that would ease some of that. Mr. Townsend: As a real estate broker, I work with a lot of developers, and developers try to maximize the property that they develop. In other words, the largest building that they can gel on a piece of property. So we start talking ratios. In the old days in some of the older neighborhoods you're going to find almost a 1-10-1 April 1, 2014 26330 ratio. You barely have enough room to get around these buildings, and if you move out to Plymouth, you're in a campus setting. You've got 3-10-1 property ratio to building. So I use that as a benchmark for what we were looking for. It's not something in stone and obviously it changes depending on the zoning and the city requirements. Mr. Bahr: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: If there's nothing further from the Commission, I'm going to go to the audience. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition? Mr. Taylor: If I may before the resolution, you know the City's fathers years back in 1950 when the City was developed, decided the best thing we can do was put the induslnal bell down through the center of the city. That way, it wouldn't encumber some of the neighbors and all of those kinds of problems that you do have when induslnal backs up to residential. Right now, the City has about 18 to 20 percent vacancy on C-2. Across the street is a vacant building, the old Frank's Nursery. Why would we want to put more C-2 in Livonia? Let's face it. We're not talking about really a commercial development. We're talking about a hall, and the hall is going to be short of parking. We already know that. So then we end up going back to the Zoning Board of Appeals so that they can take care of the parking. Parking is always a big problem for halls. I know that we're talking about zoning, but let's be truthful about it. He's looking to put a hall in, and I just can't support this because it is C-2 and we have a lot of vacant C-2 throughout the city. Mr. Morrow: There's still no one coming forward, and with that, I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was #04-17-2014 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Heanng having been held by the City Planning Commission on April 1, 2014, Petition 2014-02-01-02 submitted by NPM Acquisitions L.L.C. pursuant to Section 23.01 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone the properties at 27403 and 27451 SchoolcraR Road, located on the southwest comer of SchoolcraR and Inkster Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 25, from OS (Office Services) and M-1 (Light Manufactunng) to C-2 (General Business), the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-02-01-02 be denied for the following reasons: April 1, 2014 26331 1. That this area of the City is already well served with commercial zoning, and the proposed rezoning is not needed to serve the neighborhood or community; 2. That the anticipated commercial use would unduly tax and conflict with the established and normal traffic flow of the area; 3. That the existing zoning is more consistent with the established pattern of development and character of the adjacent properties; and 4. That G2 zoning is not supported by the Future Land Use Plan which recommends industrial. FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended. Mr. Morrow: Any comments? If there are no comments, I'm going to pass the gavel to my assistant here. I do want to make a comment. After we had our study session last Tuesday, I went out to the site, drove around it several times, drove the area several limes and I had reached my conclusion and thought about it. I went back to the site, did the same thing just to double check things out, and I arrived at my decision. Mark, could you put the zoning map up there please? I'm going to tell a little bit of a story because some of you may not know what I'm about to say, but not loo long ago, we had a very successful business in Redford come to the city. It was Redford's Jewelry and Coin. They deal in coins, jewelry and gold, silver. Long time established business wanted to come to Livonia, build a site and go into business, a business that anybody would be proud to have in their city. There was only one problem. The site that they had picked out would cause spot zoning. By that I mean putting a zoning in for their building that was in conflict with the zoning in the area. That was the decision I came to in my mind when I left this site, that regardless of whether I want the business in it or not, I was guided by what I feel is a spot zoning site and that's a very primary thing when you're in this business of seeing these things. You try not to spot zone because you want to try to keep the zoning in keeping with what the neighbors have. For that reason, I'm going to support Mr. Taylor's motion. Thankyou. April 1, 2014 26332 Mr. Wilshaw: Anything else, Mr. Chair? Are there any other comments from the Commission? Mr. Bahr: Just briefly, since I did hesitate a little bit there. I've been conflicted over this since we first saw it. I feel the information that's been provided has been excellent. I can certainly understand why this is an attractive piece of property, but frankly, as I've been deliberating even up here, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Morrow have essentially voiced what my concerns were with rezoning this property pretty much exactly. So if there's any confusion as to maybe some of the nature of my questioning earlier and why after some hesitation up here I decided to support that, I wanted to explain that was why. Ms. McIntyre: This is a difficult vote because as a business person and a Livonia resident, I like to do everything possible to encourage businesses to come to Livonia. We have a great community. We offer everything that a business would want, but Mr. Morow's history lesson, the Chairman's history lesson that he shared tonight was, I think, very instructive and helpful. So I am going to support the denying resolution as much as I hale to discourage any business from coming to Livonia. Mr. Wilshaw, Acting Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with a denying resolution. I will now pass the gavel back to the Chairman. Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mr. Wilshaw. This will go to the City Council who will ultimately decide whether the zoning is approved or denied. We are strictly making a recommendation to the City Council. Thank you, Mr. Saad, for coming and you will be going to the City Council. ITEM #2 PETMON 2014-02-03-01 CLARENCEVILLE SCHOOLS Ms. Smiley, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2014-02-03-01 submitted by Clarenceville School District, pursuant to Section 12.08 of the Livonia Code of Ordinances of the City of Livonia, as amended, to determine whether or not to vacate a portion of the existing Beatrice Avenue right-of-way located approximately 250 feel south of Norfolk Avenue, adjacent to property owned by Clarenceville Schools including Lots 16 and 17 (20221 and 20210 Beatrice Avenue) in the Elmwood Farms Subdivision, located in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 2. April 1, 2014 26333 Mr. Taormina: This is a request to vacate a portion of the unapproved Beatrice Avenue that is located south of Norfolk. It is a portion of the right-of-way that is requested to be vacated and then deeded to the abutting properly owner, Clarenceville Schools. It lies about 250 feel south of Norfolk and then extends for a similar distance south of that, about 250 feel. So if you look at the map you'll see a highlighted red area. That is the portion of the right-of- way in question that Clarenceville is asking to have vacated and then be deeded to the School District. The improved portion of Beatrice Avenue actually lies just north of this area. That is about 250 feet in length and it provides access to five residential parcels. South of the point where the road ends, the right-of- way continues but that's the unimproved portion becoming part of the District's ball diamonds. The aerial photograph shows how the area in question actually lies somewhere out in left field for one of the ball diamonds. The School District recently surveyed the land where the High School and Grandville Elementary are located. That survey revealed that the property includes the unimproved portion of the right-of-way. The area abuts Lots 16 and 17 of Elmwood Farms Subdivision. Actually, Lots 16 and 17 are on either side of the right-of-way. Again, both are owned by Clarenceville School District. The reason for requesting the vacating is so that there is no unforeseen development of the right-of-way. With that, Mr. Chairman, I can read out the departmental correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Let's do that. Mr. Taormina: There is one item of corespondence from the Engineering Division, dated March 12, 2014, which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above -referenced planning petition. After a review of the site and our files, there appear to be no public utilities within the right-of-way to be vacated. Services forprivate utilities (gas, electric, cable) appear to use Norfolk Avenue to service the existing residences at the comers of Norfolk and Beatrice Avenues, and as such, have no services running through the proposed fight -of -way to be vacated. At this time the Engineering Division has no issues with the proposed vacation of the existing Beatrice Avenue right-of-way. The petitioner has provided a survey and legal description for the proposed fight - of -way to be vacated, which appear to be correct and can be used in conjunction with the vacation request. We do ask that the petitioner provide an existing legal description for the school property, as well as a description for the property after the April 1, 2014 26334 addition of the vacated right-0f--way." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer II. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: So Mr. Taormina, there is no need for any sort of reservation of the easements for utilities or anything of that nature? Mr. Taormina: Not any utilities that would be under the control of the City. If there are any other utilities, those would be reviewed. I know DTE has their own separate review of the request, and if @'s determined that there are any facilities or need for easements, then they will have to work out those details directly with the School District. Mr. Morrow: But this is our way of letting DTE know that the City has no need for that easement. Mr. Taormina: That is correct, and DTE has been made aware of the petition. Mr. Morrow: Is the petitioner here this evening? We will need your name and address for the record please. Dave Bergeron, Assistant Superintendent for Business, ClarenmWle School District, 20210 Middlebell Road, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Every year the Board goes through a process of determining which capital projects or improvements theywantto make within the School District, and this year we were looking at making improvements at Grandville Elementary, the parking situation as well as the athletic fields. We thought it would be prudent to do a survey. When the survey came back, we were surprised that there was a right-of-way running through our lett field of baseball. That property has been around from 1950 - 1960. I've been there about 18 years and I've never seen any documentation to show a right-of-way. So before we make any improvements to the fields, we're asking for that to be vacated. Mr. Morrow: We understand. Are there any questions? Mr. Bahr: I'm just wondering if they have a concern about weak right- handed hitters or something that they need to shorten the fences in right field, if that's the real reason for this. Mr. Bergeron: We're actually going to reconfigure that field and move the baseball field to a different location because of that. Mr. Bahr: I'm all set. Mr. Morrow: Is there anything else? Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition? April 1, 2014 26335 Seeing no one coming forward, I'm going to close the public heading and ask fora motion. On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by McIntyre, and unanimously adopted, it was #04-18-2014 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held by the City Planning Commission on April 1, 2014, on Petition 2014-02-03-01 submitted by Clarenceville School District, pursuant to Council Resolution #86-14, and Section 12.08 of the Livonia Code of Ordinances of the City of Livonia, as amended, to determine whether or not to vacate a portion of the existing Beatrice Avenue right-of-way located approximately 250 feet south of Norfolk Avenue, adjacent to properly owned by Clarenceville Schools including Lots 16 and 17 (20221 and 20210 Beatrice Avenue) in the Elmwood Farms Subdivision, located in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 2, the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-02-03-01 be approved for the following reasons: 1. That the subject dight -of -way is not needed for public access purposes; 2. That the subject right-of-way can be more advantageously used in private ownership; and 3. That no reporting City department or public utility has objected to the proposed vacating. FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was given in accordance with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of the Livonia Code of Ordinances, as amended. Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution. That concludes the public hearing items. We now move on to Miscellaneous Items, which is Agenda Item #3. ITEM #3 PETITION 2014-03-08-03 McLAREN Ms. Smiley, Acting Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2014-03-08-03 submitted by McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with a proposal to construct a three-story office -research and April 1, 2014 26336 manufacturing facility and erect a parking structure on properties at 32233 and 32367 Eight Mile Road, located on the south side of Eight Mile Road between Merriman Road and Hubbard Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3. Mr. Taormina: This is a request by McLaren Performance Technologies and Linamar. The property is located on the south side of Eight Mile Road between Parker Avenue and Hubbard Road. The overall site consists of five contiguous parcels. The main property is identified as 32233 Eight Mile; that's the largest of all the parcels. The site also contains three separate buildings. The combined land area of all five parcels is 6.41 acres. It includes roughly 600 feel of frontage on Eight Mile Road and a total parcel depth of 600 feel. Going back to the zoning map, the property is split-zoned. The north 300 feel is zoned M-L, Manufactunng Limited, while the south 300 feel is zoned a combination of both P, Parking, and R-3, One Family Residential. The Parking District extends roughly 115 feel south of the Manufacturing zoning line. In terms of adjacent zoning and land uses, abutting the property to the south are single family homes. To the north across Eight Mile are various commercial and industrial uses located in the City of Farmington. To the east and west across the side streets are a combination of both industrial and residential uses. McLaren Performance Technologies, on behalf of its parent company Linamar, is requesting site plan approval to expand its engineering, testing and sales office and part of its manufactunng facilities. The project involves demolishing one of the existing industrial buildings, and in its place construct a new three-story building addition. Also included as part of the redevelopment is the construction of a new parking deck needed to accommodate additional employees. Now what I'd like to do is go over what exists today. The overall building area of the combined existing three buildings is roughly 74,740 square feel. When completed, the total gross floor area of all the buildings would increase, and this includes all levels, to about 132,000 square feet. That is a net increase of roughly 58,000 square feet or roughly 78 percent. Building #1, which is 32233 Eight Mile, is located near the middle of property. That is the site of the largest of all three buildings and that's about 38,000 square feet. Building #2, which is 32205 Eight Mile, is located near the northeast corner of the site near Eight Mile and Parker. That building measures roughly 20,000 square feet in size. Building #3, which is 32367 Eight Mile, is at the northwest corner near Eight Mile and Hubbard and that building totals roughly 16,346 square feet. It is Building #3, sometimes referred to as the Cushman Building, that would be demolished April 1, 2014 26337 in order to facilitate the expansion of Building #1. This is the firstfloor of the building. It would be roughly 37,333 square feet in total size. On the right hand side of this slide, is existing Building #1. This is the building in its current dimensions which would not be altered other than incorporating it into the expanded space, which is located on the left hand side of the drawing. So everything you see on the left hand side is the building addition. Right now, the existing Building #3 sits generally in this location. It is separate from Building #1 and you can see the outline of the parking that exists between the two buildings. Building #3 would be demolished. The addition would encompass not only the area presently occupied by Building #3, but also the parking that exists there. The addition would conned to Building #1. This would be a three-story addition to the facility. The first level floor plan shows that roughly one-fourth of the floor space would be devoted to office located near the front of the addition, and the remaining three- quarters would be devoted to manufacturing. So this area on the bottom portion of the slide in the area where the addition would go is the manufacturing component, whereas this area up front closest to Eight Mile would be used strictly for office purposes. Next we move to the second floor plan. What you see is a little bit larger expanded area of office up on the second floor of the addition. Then looking down below, this is shop area. You have an extended ceiling height for the shop area down below which takes up some of the floor space of what would otherwise be a useable area of the second floor. The area to the right is the roof plan for existing Building #1. Remember we're on the second floor now so there is no floor space on Building #1. This is the third floor plan and what you'll see is just basically the front half being used strictly for office. Again, you have roof area to the right where existing Building #1 is located, and now you have roof area below because this area steps down. This would be the roof portion of the manufacturing. So this area on the top part of the slide, on the left hand side, is the tallest part of the structure. The next slide I'm going to show you is actually a visual aid or rendering of what that would look like. This shows all three levels of the building looking at it from the corner of Hubbard and Eight Mile Road. In terns of parking, what is required is equal to one space for every one employee. Curently, Building #1 is estimated to have 70 employees and Building #2 has 30 employees for a total of 100. Itis forecasted that the expansion will bring 100 additional employees to the site for a total of 200. To accommodate the increase, a new parking deck would be built behind Building #1 in the area presently zoned P, Parking. The deck shows one ground level and two upper levels and April 1, 2014 26338 would have a total capacity of 152 spaces. The zoning line runs coterminous with the rear part of this structure. So extending for a distance of roughly 115 feel from this point, which is where the manufacturing line is located, to this point and extending across the full width of this parcel is the area that is zoned P, Parking. The parking deck is located wholly within that Parking district. By adding 152 spaces to 78 existing and proposed off-street surface spaces that would be located in the front of and between Buildings #1 and #3, it would provide a total of total 230 spaces, sufficient to accommodate the increase in employees and visitors. When we look at the total parking, again, this would accommodate 152 spaces, then you have additional parking located here, and it presently exists between Buildings #1 and #2, and then you have the parking up front along Eight Mile, which would be in some cases reconfigured and extended. The dimensions of the parking structure are roughly 163 feel in length by 60 feet. It would be constructed mostly of steel and concrete. It would be unenclosed and would not contain a roof. It would contain galvanized steel guardrails on the north and sides, and the east and west ends show a decorelive finish. That decorative finish and screening in the form of louvers or some type of mesh material that would now be extended across the south side of the structure to help shield headlights. The stairwell to the structure is shown in the southeast comer. There is an overhead walkway that connects the third level of the deck with the second level of the building. The finish elevation of the upper deck is roughly 18.5 feet whereas the roof level of the staircase is measured at a maximum height of 25.6 feet. In terms of access and deliveries, this would remain unchanged. There are two existing driveways off 8 Mile and one off Hubbard. The driveways along Eight Mile will not be altered whereas the driveway from Hubbard will be improved with new asphalt and portions of existing concrete will be removed and replaced with landscaping. Delivery trucks would continue to enter off Hubbard. This driveway would function as two-way for cars, but mostly one -directional for trucks. What's happening here is curently where the Cushman Building is located, there is an area where trucks are able to offload their materials or pickup materials in a well that's provided directly behind that Cushman Building. That offload area would be shifted to the east a couple of hundred feet and be located directly at the rear of Building #1. So trucks using the shipping and received area would come in off of Hubbard Road as they curenlly do, extend to the east, they would back up to this lruckwell or dock, and then they would exit out to Eight Mile Road again in a counter -clockwise direction. In terms of landscaping, the rear part of property that is zoned R-3 will April 1, 2014 26339 remain as open space and is currently used for storm water detention. The improvements to the Parking District will require the fulfillment of a landscape plan that was approved in 2010. This is a copy of that plan. It shows 34 blue spruce trees that would be planted in a staggered arrangement on lop of two berms, one that extends along the fence line adjacent to the residences on west side, and the other directly behind the residences closest to Building #2 on the east side of the property. I'm going to run through some slides showing the renderings of the proposed building. The architecture conveys a modern engineering look. Its consistent with the appearance of other Linamar buildings. The primary exterior building materials include silver or grey -colored aluminum composite panels and glazing or glass. These same facade treatments will extend across the full length of the building, including the existing portions of Buildings #1 and #2. Again, this is the addition as viewed from the northwest corner of the property. This would be a view of existing Building #1 from Eight Mile Road. On the right hand side you can see the addition. That is noted primarily because of the additional height. This would be a view roughly from across the street in the northwest comer looking at what the addition would appear as. This is actually an illustration of what the front of Building #2 would look like next to the one-story portion of Building #1. What this conveys is the fact that they are going to continue that treatment along the entire frontage of Eight Mile to include the existing buildings. This is a rendering of what the building would appear like from across the street on Hubbard. This is an illustration of the parking deck as viewed from the rear of Building #1 looking at it basically from a southwest direction. What you see on the right hand portion would be the walkway that extends between the third level of the parking deck and the second floor of the proposed addition. Lastly, this is a new view provided today showing what the structure would look from the back side as viewed possibly from the back portion of the property that Linamar owns. With that, Mr. Chainnan, I can read out the departmental correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Please. Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated March 25, 2014, which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above -referenced planning petition. We have no objections to the proposal petition at this time. The address of 32233 Eight Mile Road is correct for the main parcel, and should be used in conjunction with this petition. The legal April 1, 2014 26340 descriptions provided with the petition are acceptable to this office. However, we would suggest that the owner consider combining the existing parcels and providing one revised description for the entire property, instead of having numerous separate parcels. The property is currently serviced by public water main and sanitary sewer. The submitted plans do not indicate any changes to the existing leads, so we do not foresee any impacts to the existing systems. Any changes to the service leads will need to be submitted to the Engineering Division for review, and possible permitting. In previous discussions with the owner we have indicated the requirements for storm water treatment on the proposed site. The submitted plans do not provide details or calculations for the proposed development, so we cannot comment on that aspect at this time. We will review the proposed storm water treatments during the permitting phase, once we have received a full Engineering plan submittal. We would like to suggest that the owner submit complete a traffic study, with expected daily treffn counts and tum movements, to determine whether or not signalization will be wananted in connection with the proposed site improvements." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer II. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated Maroh 24, 2014, which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in connection with a request to construct a three-story office -research and manufacturing facility and erect a parking structure on property located at the above referenced addresses. We have no objections to this proposal with the following stipulations: (1) Adequate hydrants shall be provided and located with a maximum spacing of 300 feet between hydrants. Most remote hydrant shall flow 1,500 GPM with a residual pressure of 20 PSI. (2) This division requests that the entrance drive be posted (on both sides) 'Fire Lane — No Parking.' (3) Access around building shall be provided for emergency vehicles with a minimum vertical clearance of thirteen feet six inches, a turning radius of fifty-three feet wall to wall and an inside turning radius of twenty-nine feet six inches. (4) Fire lanes shall be not less than 20 feet of unobstructed width, able to withstand live loads of fire apparatus, and have a minimum of 13 feet 6 inches of vertical clearance. These and other code requirements will be addressed during the plan review process." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated Maroh 20, 2014, which reads as follows: "1 have reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. 1 have no objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by Joseph Boilos, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection Department, dated April 1, 2014, which reads as follows: April 1, 2014 26341 "Pursuant to your request, the above -referenced petition has been reviewed. The following is noted. (1) A variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals would be required for the excess building height. A height of 51 feet is proposed where a maximum of 35 feet is allowed. (2) The setback along the west side of the property is proposed to be 26.96 feet where a minimum of 30 feet setback is required. A variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals would be required to maintain the deficient setback. This Department has no further objections to this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Ms. McIntyre: Is the proposed walkway between the proposed parking deck and building enclosed orjusl open? Mr. Taormina: It would appear to be open -sided but I'll lel the company representative answer that question if I'm mistaken. It does have a roof. I don't see any windows, but that's not to say there wouldn't be any. Ms. McIntyre: Thank you. I saw the roof but I didn't know if the sides were enclosed. Mr. Morrow: Good point. Is there anything else? If there are no other questions, we will go to the petitioner or his representative. We will need your name and address for the record please. Scott Maxwell, General Manager, McLaren Engines, 32233 W. Eight Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Mr. Morrow: Mr. Maxwell, you've heard the presentation by Mr. Taormina. Is there anything you'd like to add to it? Mr. Maxwell: Yes. First of all, just to introduce two of my colleagues who are also here tonight and who are also available to answer questions: Gary Crone is the Site Manager and Mike Gilles who is representing the architectural company. Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Maxwell: Again, thank you for allowing us to be here and propose our site plan. Just a little bit of history on the building. As was mentioned before, there's about 100 people on the site today. There's also another 100 people located in an office building in Southfield. Those are mainly sales and engineering people. April 1, 2014 26342 Over the last 10 years since it was purchased by Linamar in 2003, there have been multiple attempts to find a place to house the engineering people along with the people onsite at Eight Mile. Our purpose at Eight Mile is hardware development and gear boxes. A lot of the engineers that are intimately lied to what we do here have to reside in the Southfield building due to size constraints of what we have on the property. We've looked at various places in Novi, Northville, Canton. Many of them tended to be on the western end on the other side of 275 mainly because of the amount of size that we needed, to move all the infrastructure that we currently have at Eight Mile and house all the office people. Unfortunately, a lot of the buildings you'll find will have adequate space for the manufacturing side but very little in the way of office space. Additionally, we'd have to move all of the testing infrastructure as well as the permitting from the DEQ that goes along with that to the new building. So we've also looked inwardly at the site in small chucks. Part of the reasoning we had the zoning change for the parking in that oullol in the back was to accommodate additional surface parking if we were able to bring some of the engineering folks down from Southfield. Unfortunately, with the configurations of the buildings and the high level of business activity that we have, we just weren't able to find a space for all of the engineers. We couldn't find a way to do a part of them, and all of them means about 90 people. So we decided to kind of leave things where they were. I think the main goal was to be able to, at some point, bring everybody together. Our parent company decided eady in 2013 to take a look at, one more time, can we find a way to take the site and bring it everything we need to accommodate all the parking, bring everything over from Southfield and consolidate to one building. We approached the City sometime around mid -year. Everything was very open. Everybody has been very cooperative. We asked, how can we put together a plan to stay? What kinds of things would we need to do and that process has brought us here tonight. The reason we'd liked to stay in Livonia is it's a great location. All of the access to the freeways to our customers is ideal. A lot of places that were somewhat possible tended to be on the west side of town. It left a lot of the people that live in Macomb and Rochester who work in Southfield with a very long and difficult drive facing them with the realization that they either have to move or find employment elsewhere, and we really didn't want to do that. We'd also have to move all of our lest equipment, which is fairly substantial expense -wise and logistics -wise and then get DEQ permitting again for the engine lest cells, which is also a long and difficult process. So we decided in the end, we came up with this plan and decided it would be easier just to April 1, 2014 26343 move the office people from Southfield and put all 200 people in one location. With all those things considered, thats why we decided to do what we did. Again, we're here to answer questions, and I thank you for the time. Mr. Morrow: Thank you for that background. Are there any questions from the Commissioners? Mr. Taylor: What will be the cost of this project? Mr. Maxwell: Its lens of millions. Its over $10 million. Mr. Taylor: So you're personal properly tax obviously would be going up also? Mr. Maxwell: Yes, it would. And real, because we will be investing in putting in additional equipment and other things in there, so the real properly would increase as well. Mr. Taylor: Didn't I read in the paper where the State gave you some economic help too? Mr. Maxwell: Yes. It's what they call Mega Credits. I don't know all the details because some of our corporate people look care of that but we have some existing ones. If you recall, what we call Building #2 was originally two separate buildings, and about 2007 or 2008, that was enclosed and combined into one, and some of the Mega Credits were offered at that point and time with the additional jobs the Slate has offered additional Mega Credit incentives to do that as well. I dont know what the total count was, but it was as much or more than what the original Mega Credits were in the first place. Mr. Taylor: Total employees would be around 400? Mr. Maxwell: Right now, when we move, it would be about 200. We Teff room because with our expansion rale, we're going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 230 to 250 people by 2018, 2019. Mr. Taylor: Thankyou. Ms. Smiley: So you're mostly increasing your engineering and office staff. Is that what you're saying? Mr. Maxwell: We're moving them over but the new part, what was Building #3 or the Cushman Building, does have somewhere between 20,000 to 25,000 feel of additional open space where we would Ms. Smiley: So less than 100 would be here in the evening? April 1, 2014 26344 bring assembly work and maybe additional testing or development work in that area. So we'll mainly be bringing over engineers, but in the end, as we fill that up, we'll be hiring skilled technicians for that area as well as some trades. Ms. Smiley: Okay. My question is about parking. You're probably not building the structure, but I can only imagine that building a structure is much more expensive than laying down a sea of asphalt. Is that correct? Mr. Maxwell: Yes, itwould be. Ms. Smiley: I personally am a fan of that. I've been to Ann Arbor. They do it much better because they don't have any parking at all over there, but I know I prefer up to out. Right now where I live, behind me there are some offices and commercial things. I would prefer to see a parking structure to all that cement, because they took down so many trees and sluff to put all that cement in. Mr. Maxwell: Yes. We would as well, plus there's some limits. There's a retention pond back there. Mike can probably elaborate on that a little bit more, the technical reasons. But there was some drainage concems and our ability to feed the storm runoffs into the Eight Mile drain, so they elected to bang some of that back into that pond. Part of that then, in addition to adding the parking was, it had been kind of an overgrown weed field and left there because it was unused. We have someone come in every week, cut it, maintain it, keep the weeds out, keep the overgrowth down, so it actually looks visually appealing right now. If we were to pave it all over, that would all be gone and even with the parking structure, our plants completely maintain that and hopefully to add and improve the look of that back there yet. Ms. Smiley: Thank you very much. What kind of hours of operation do you have? How many employees would you have? Mr. Maxwell: The vast majority is 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. or 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. depending on whether you're hourly or office. There is a nightshift in Building #2 that runs both second and third shift. That's probably the main place where that will lake place. There may be some activity in the newer building in the off - shifts, but the vast majorityof twill be dayfime activity. Ms. Smiley: So less than 100 would be here in the evening? April 1, 2014 26345 Mr. Maxwell: Probably 50 at most, just off the lop of my head. Its not half. Ms. Smiley: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Wilshaw: I have a number of questions regarding the parking in the back of the facility. One of the renderings that we saw showing the back of the facility, the most recent one there, made it appear as though it's pretty devoid of landscaping between the back and the parking deck itself. Is that actually what's going to be proposed or are we going to have berming with trees on it and that type of landscaping in the back of the property? Mr. Maxwell: There is already some berming on it from the original effort to do the small amount of surface parking in that oullot area. The east side has quite a bit of trees that come in and head to the southwest and cover a lot of that corner. The only open side is the west side. There is no plan to remove any trees or shrubs. If anything, we would add to the greenspace to do that. So there is no intent or plan or desire to take any of the green out of that back area. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Have you considered planting pine trees or evergreen - type trees that would help shield the parking deck in the back of the properly? Mr. Maxwell: We're open to doing any number of things. There was some of that in the original plan for that flat level parking on the berms. We never did the parking space and asphalting, we never did the trees. We probably should have unfortunately, but those things can be brought up. I think part of the agreement is that if we do the garage, the sluff that was in the original rezoning for parking, we would complete that, and if there's anything else that needed to be done, we could certainly lake a look at it. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. What sort of lighting will be in and on the parking deck? Mr. Maxwell: Mike's got that one. Mike Gilles, Tacoma Engineers, 176 Speedvale Avenue W., Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1H 1C3 Canada, Our firm has been retained by the parent corporation, Linamar, to work on the design of this, to work with the local architects and the local engineers and consultants forthe design. Mr. Wilshaw: So lighting in or on the deck? April 1, 2014 26346 Mr. Gilles: We've done a preliminary lighting plan, a photometric plan. There it is. You can't see the small numbers but it gives you the lighting levels at various points on the parking deck and the surrounding areas. The plan is to incorporafion 15 fool high poles with LED lighting. LED lighting is a modem fixture. What it allows you to do is to be very directional with the light. The light is all pointed downwards, and it is pointed in a direction facing the parking deck which eliminates the spillover beyond the fixtures to the rear and sides of the fixture. There are eight fixtures allocated for the lop deck. Mr. Wilshaw: As I stand at the ground level of anywhere in that general vicinity and I look up at a parking structure that is three stories in height, which is more like two stories of a commercial building, and then there's a 15 fool pole on lop of that with a light fixture, even though the lighting may be directional to shine on the parking deck, the fixture itself, the underside of it becomes visible to me at that height. Is there any thought of possibly using some sort of a wall pack or some sort of a lower mounted light fixture that would shine light into the parking area so that people can see where they're walking and have good visibility, but not shine anywhere else or be visible from other angles? Mr. Gillis: I'm not an electncal engineer, but I know just from experience that if you have fixtures at a lower level like that, you'll have one of two things. You'll either have insufficient lighting in the middle of the parking deck or the light will have to be horizontal. When light is horizontal, it shoots well beyond the extent of the parking structure whereas a pole mount shoots the light downward. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. One thing to possibly consider would be an even lower mounted pole, say a 10 to 12 fool pole as opposed to a 15 fool pole. Mr. Gillis: Absolutely. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. What sort of secunty is going to be provided in the deck? Obviously things with ramps and so on can be attractive nuances to teenagers. Mr. Gillis: We haven't gone into the details of secunty. That will be something as we go through the design we'll work out. These structures typically can incorporate sophisticated or very simple security. It could be general properly security with fencing and gates. We haven't gone into the details of security, but it can easily be addressed. April 1, 2014 26347 Mr. Wilshaw: Is that something that you would be willing to address? Mr. Gillis: Absolutely. Mr. Wilshaw: There's a parking deck at a Comerica facility at Six Mile and Haggerty for the folks that live around here that know that area, and that parking deck is secured with some sort of gate system that comes down after hours or in the evenings, weekends, and so on, to prevent people from going in there and messing around. That's something that might be worth considering for you as well. Just as a curiosity, the manufacturing area of the new building, the rear portion that has the high ceilings, what is the intended use of that area at least initially? Mr. Maxwell: Mainly just assembly work and maybe some light machining. Its not anything that would make a lot of noise. There won't be any forge presses or anything that's thunderous or annoying like that. There wont be any engine lest cells going in there. There won't be any exhaust like we do have in the original Building #1. There are exhausts in the northeast comer and when the engines are running the cell, they do make some noise despite muffiers on the roof. They do make some noise. So we won't have any of that. Its intended to be enclosed, conditioned air, not necessarily air conditioning, so that we can operate during the summer and winter comfortable. Some of the stuff we do tends to be somewhat complicated in terms of temperature controls so we can't just leave it open to 90 degree air during the summer. Generally speaking, the doors will be closed so you're not going to have open doors, open bays where you can hear hammering, banging or any kind of noise. It's prefty much light assembly and some very minor machining -type work, nothing incredibly noisy or dirty. Mr. Wilshaw: So is it safe to categorize the bulk of this expansion as really to add additional office staff, which currently is off-site, to the location and not a significant expansion of the manufacturing or production, the actual machining or any of the mechanical things that occur in your operation? Mr. Maxwell: I guess I'm not sure I understand. Mr. Wilshaw: Is it a safe way to categorize it? The bulk of the expansion is really office workers as opposed to manufacturing? Mr. Maxwell: The major intent is to be able to bring the office people in because of how we configured it and some of the future April 1, 2014 26348 business that we would like to bring into the Detroit area. We generally lend to work on things early on in the life of a program - for a vehicle or whatever it happens to be. We do work on hybrids. We have a demonstrator vehicle. When you're working that far out, those programs lend to come in al fairly low volumes and don't require a lot of the high volume expensive equipment that we typically do in a program in some of the plants around the globe. So this would be more of a place to have space to do incubator -type work. If we are successful in the hybrid vehicle, its a molonzed axle with gearboxes and it's the perfect kind of thing to assemble a few thousand of those in our building. It wont necessarily be a big assembly line, but it may be an area of some technicians and benches running in a pattern and trying to put these things together over a dayshiff type operation. That's an added bonus to gel. It's helpful to have the income to do that, but generally it's to bring all the people together in a team -based environment. Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Now, I did see on the plan the mention of part of the roof element being a green roof. Mr. Maxwell: There is a section between the west wall of Building #1, the center building, and the new area, I believe it will go upwards. It will be at an angle from where the north/south line of the building intersects. It will go upward so that where those x's are, that dark area, if you're going to the right, that's going to go up and that will provide some visual banners for the roof. Items in Building #1 for the people in the office, give them some green space to look. It will also help with water runoff and it will also shield the view from the unsightly parts of the building of the roof of Building #1. Mr. Wilshaw: So this is similar to what Ford Motor Company did at the Rouge Plan where they added green? Mr. Maxwell: I've seen it. I know how that works. It's not that large of a scale but it's the same general idea to have something green on the roof. Mr. Wilshaw: Sure. Okay. I do have some additional questions but I'll wait until later. Ms. McIntyre: Do you currently run a three shift operation now? Mr. Maxwell In parts of the building, yes, mainly in Building #2, the westerly building. The activity level on future programs right now is extremely high. The two test cells that are in there that were part April 1, 2014 26349 of that expansion back in 2007, they run 2417. We are at capacity on those. We are actually outsourcing some of that testing fight now, unfortunately. Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Mr. Taormina: Just a point of clanfcafion, Building #2 is the easterly building. Mr. Maxwell: Did I saywestedy? Mr. Taormina: Yes. Mr. Maxwell: Sony. Mr. Morrow: We know what you meant. Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Bahr: Just one remaining question. Truck traffic with this. Do you anticipate it being pretty much the same level as it is right now or do you think there will be a stark increase in it with this move? Mr. Maxwell We wouldn't expect so. All the activity right now that requires trucks remains the same. Bringing office people in, we still have UPS and FedEx come in. They're still going to come in. They just may have a bigger load on a cart for us, but that's about R. One to four trucks a day. So we don't anticipate any increase in that. Mr. Bahr: Okay. Thank you. For now, I'll just say I think it's a beautiful development. I think you guys have put a ton of thought into how to do this well in an attractive way and with a lot of consideration for the surrounding area as well. So I applaud you in that. Before I go back, just a question for Mark. As we move on, can you put up the new rendering of the view from Hubbard? There was a view that we didn't see last week. Ijust want to look at it as we go on. I'm all done. Mr. Taylor: With the truck traffic, I notice on Parker there is a "no truck" sign. I'm not sure there's one on Hubbard or not. When I was over there today, I didn't notice. Mr. Maxwell: They do enter from Hubbard now. They come down Hubbard, come across behind the existing Cushman Building, go past the dock, back into it, unload, and they exit between Buildings #1 and #2 back onto Eight Mile. It's a U -shape pattern. April 1, 2014 26350 Mr. Taylor: Trucks do come down Hubbard? Mr. Maxwell: Yes. Today, they come down Hubbard. They come around behind the building and that traffic pattern that we have today will be same. We won't change that. Mr. Taylor: When they go out, they don't go out Hubbard? Mr. Maxwell: No, they go out between Building #2 and Building #1 exiting to Eight Mile. Mr. Taylor: Because if this were to pass, I think we have a resolution that said there would be "no left turn' for trucks onto Hubbard out of your facility. Mr. Maxwell: Okay. Mr. Taylor: Thankyou. Mr. Maxwell: If I may just, I was going to answer the question about the walkway. That is enclosed. Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Bahr: Just briefly, Mark, wasn't there another one from a similar angle or was this the only one? I thought there was one from further down Hubbard. That's what I was thinking of. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Are you all set? Mr. Bahr: Yes. Mr. Morrow: Mr. Maxwell, because your parent company is in Canada, was there ever any thought of perhaps taking it to Canada, your new location? Mr. Maxwell: It had been looked at. We will do that. We have a significant amount of excess properly at the facility in Windsor, over in Essex Parkway. We did take a look at it but all in all, with the moves and having to move people and such and getting people across the border, that was less than ideal, but it was an option. Mr. Morrow: But it was looked al? Mr. Maxwell: Yes. April 1, 2014 26351 Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Is there anything else? Then is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition? I want to just take a minute. I understand that there was kind of an informal meeting here last night where some of the neighbors got a heads up on what was coming down the pike. I think it was spear headed by the Mayor. That was a courtesy because by our rules, it is not necessary to invite the neighborhood to a site plan. What they did Iasi night was just to make sure you realize that we weren't trying to work around you. Again, as far as our role, as most of you probably know, but I'm just going to refresh your memory, the Planning Commission is like the citizen resident involvement. We're not collected by the political machinery. We are an advisory board. We get a chance to look at it before it goes to City Council, and I'm speaking specifically of site plans now. One of our roles is to make sure that the plans meet the ordinances. If there's a slight variation outside the ordinance, then we discover that and indicate that it would have to be approved by the Council and/or the Zoning Board of Appeals or both. So whether or not we see a plan, it is our role to send forward to the City Council the best possible plan we can do, whether we unanimously agree with it or we unanimously disagree with it. But the plans we send forward to the City Council, to the best of our ability, is what we think the City of Livonia would like to see and we meet the ordinances. So understand as we go forward with this, I see there are a number of people that probably want to discuss this. We will now tum it over, and sir, you will be the first up. If there is anyone else, just in the interests of time, could you queue up at either microphone as the lines begins to diminish, you can come forward. Just so the next person is ready to go when the one person finishes. With that now, sir, we'll need your name and address for the record and your input. Steven Hatchigian, 20420 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 live across from McLaren Technologies. I'm glad that McLaren is doing well. It's good for the economy, its good for them, and I know its great for the City. I have a feeling that the space is not big enough for them. I think theyre going to outgrow their space right now, and the reason why I say that is, they want to erect a three level parking structure in our backyard. That tells me it's too small for them. If that's the case, I would like to see them stay in Livonia, but maybe perhaps find another spot. Do you all come to the site and look at what they plan on doing? I mean, sifting on my porch and looking out, right now I have a view of Building #2, a full view, a little bit of #1. They lore the house down across the street from me. Now that leaves it open. I'll have a full view of the catwalk and the whole parking structure. I don't know about April 1, 2014 26352 you guys, but would you like to look at that or my neighbors? Its in their backyard. I heard Mayor Kirksey's answer yesterday. We seemed to agree on a few things. One other thing, I drove around Livonia today. I couldn't find a structure. Can you give me a list where there's mulfi-level structures that's in close proximity to the neighborhood? I know someone mentioned Six Mile and Haggerty, but something that is like not in the backyards like we're going to have now, but something close because I would like to park and see the houses and then see three story parking. It sounds like they're doing well, which is great, but in three years, they're going to come back and say we need another level for parking. We need another two stories on Building #2. You know. Mr. Morrow: I'm not aware of any. There's another parking structure, but that's at Laurel Park. Mr. Hatchigian: I have a vacant lot in front of me, and I know that's a nice spot for parking. They already have a parking lot on the side of me, which I can tell you a whole bunch of horror stories about that, but to have it in front of me would be horrible. So, I mean, the addition, a new building, as far as I'm concemed, I'm okay. I'm not on Hubbard, I'm on Parker, but the three level parking structure in the middle of everybody's back yard. I was surprised yesterday to hear it. I'm still surprised. If I was a betting man, and someone were to tell me Livonia will let someone build a three level parking structure in the middle of the backyards, I would say no, they wouldn't do that. That's all I havelosay. Thankyou. Michael Horton, 20414 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 guess I just wanted you folks to know that back in 2010, McLaren Engines kind of put a proposal together for the city to have that residential lot behind them, a portion of it, rezoned to parking. So the residents got together and we said, no, we don't want you to do that. That's residential. We know you own it, but it was residential when you bought it and we don't want a bunch of cars parked backed there. So, we kind of took it to City Council and there was something called a formal protest that we filed. After I was done, McLaren contacted us, the property owners, and said hey, we'd like you to come over and we'd like to show you what we want to do. So we went to their facility and they put out the plans. Mr. Taormina's got a copy of them from 2010 because he had them Iasi night. They showed us a parking lot, a level parking lot. And to member Smiley's comment about parking garages, I appreciate what you said, but the reason they're building a parking garage, or want to, is because they April 1, 2014 26353 don't have the space to put a flat parking lot, otherwise that's what they would do because that's what they wanted to do initially. They brought us over to their facility. They showed us what they wanted to do. So trying to be good neighbors, we decided to compromise and withdraw that formal protest based on the idea that they would follow the plans that they submitted in 2010, which called for a flat parking lot, x amount of spaces, green space behind it, retention pond that included trees. The drawing is on file. So they put in the retention pond and that was R. They never put in any of the trees and they never put in the parking lot. Four years later they come back with this monstrosity of a parking garage and addition. Now, I appreciate what you're saying as to needing to keep businesses in the city, but they are clearly trying to shove a square peg in a round whole. They've outgrown that whole area and they will just continue to do this. Just so you get some reference, if that parking garage goes up, my back porch will be closer than you are to the back wall of this audilonum, and that's what I'll have in my face every day. So, that speaks to properly values, my view from my home and it speaks to the fad that they either grossly misled us or just flat out lied to us because they never did what they said they were going to do, and we would have never agreed to drop that formal protest had we known this was the plan they were going for. I guess that's all I have to say. Thanks. Kathryn Bottaro, 20495 Hubbard Street, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Mark, would you please do me a favor and show the members where my properly is on one of those slides, 20495 Hubbard, and thanks for letting me participate in the meeting yesterday by phone. I was with you all the way to the end. That's my properly. It's blue but it is residential. My husband's the homeowner for the last 10 years. I occupied it for the last one year. For a point of reference, this is very important to me. My baby was bom three months early. He's only been out of the NICU for the last seven weeks, which means he has extreme premature lungs. This is the first time he's out of the house except to go to the doctor. This is a very important meeting to me. So our property is in a position where we face on Hubbard Street, the entranceway and so what we're faced with, not the parking structure, but rather the building. If that 16,000 square foot building gets demolished, I have to gel out. My property, whether I open my windows or not, is going to be affected by all that dust. If there's construction and a new building is put up, I dont know whether or not my baby's premie lungs can tolerate that kind of dust that's going to get kicked up. So we will then also face the traffic. The way the parking is right now between the two April 1, 2014 26354 buildings, those hundred or so employees currently park there. They don't park so much on Hubbard. I'm not bothered by the four trucks or so that come through. I'm not so much bothered by the current lighting situation. What I'm going to be bothered with is if those trucks have to come through and come out and come out the other side. If all 200 or 250 employees have to park in that structure, those people are going to come on Hubbard and those people are going to exit out on Hubbard. There is nothing slopping them from doing it. They have the choice at this point. There is the exit way. They can go through the two buildings but are they really going to when there's a traffic jam because the trucks are in the way or the other vehicles are in the way? If they are on Eight Mile and there's a queue in the lett turn lane, are they really going to wail? Are they going to go to Hubbard? I think they're going to go to Hubbard. My properly, my living room window and Oak's bedroom window face that parking lot. Our property is residential. It's a house. It's existed there since I think '39. So R is industrial zoned right now. Anyway, the point is, our house faces their parking lot. In the future, it's going to be both a building, a walkway and a parking lot. I don't know how much lighting is going to be there especially if it becomes an office building where the lights have to be kept on. I don't want all that excess lighting into my front living room and Oak's bedroom. I don't want the extra cars. I'm extremely concerned about the excess traffic that's going to come through there. If those headlights come out day in and day out and people with their car alarms at 7:00 a.m., 9:30 p.m. whatever it takes, noise pollution. We are extremely close to that Cushman Building. We are on Hubbard. That's the building that's intended to come down. So, I don't want to see this project. If I was given an opinion, and that's why I'm here, if I had a choice to voice, absolutely not. I can't see that this is any way benefiting the local community. I just dont. I think there are so many options rather than coming into this neighborhood. Probably my time is just about up. I just am concerned about our property value. I'm concerned about noise pollution. I'm concerned about my privacy. With that walkway going right past my house and the cars coming in and out, again, if there was a parking structure that made any sense, which I don't think this one does. If there was a parking situation in this scenario that made sense to where the traffic would not come out on Hubbard, then I wouldn't ... I don't know. I think I would be very affected too. I'm concerned about property value, my privacy, noise pollution, air pollution, my quality of life. I can't sit on my front porch if this is approved, and I don't know that I can gel out of my own driveway anymore. Two hundred or so people are going to be April 1, 2014 26355 able to come out, turn right onto Hubbard. I don't know if they can tum Teff onto Hubbard. I don't know if that's going to be approved or not. If they tum right onto Hubbard to want to gel to Eight Mile Road at the slop sign, I dont know if I'll be able to gel out unless I turn right. I think that's it. Thank you for your time. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou very much. Well said. Yes, sir. Derek McLean, 20404 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Hi. How are you doing? Bear with me here, I'm a little tired. Getting started here. I received this letter probably Iasi week, that was for the informational meeting we had last night at 7:00. 1 live and work in Livonia. Actually, I even go to the Livonia Recreational Center. I really love the gym there. I went there last night just to see what was going on and I was blindsided by this idea. When asked why we didn't receive a letter for today's hearing, we were told that, now you're being told. So I was notified of today's hearing Iasi night at approximately 7:00 p.m. I gel up every morning at 5:00. 1 work at Ideal over on SchoolcmR. I've been there almost nine years. I went to work. I worked 10 hours so I got off at about 4:30, got home at 5:00, just enough time to take a shower and ran over there. No dinner. Got up, went to work today. I got no sleep last night at all. This has been a direct impact on my life. I got no sleep at all. Tossing, turning, worrying, imagining the worse. So moving forward, I've lived on Hubbard since 2008. 1 also work in Livonia off of SchoolcraR, which I already said. I've been there for nine years in September. I also have lived in Livonia the majority of my life, born and raised. Attended schools like Cass Elementary, Holmes Middle School, Churchill High. I am a true believer of this community. When I first saw the house, I thought to myself, I dont know about this. In fact, my realtor Cathy, said, you are nuts if you buy this house. It was foreclosed. It was beat up pretty bad. Needless to say, I'm a visionary and I've always seen the things for what they could be. I quickly fell in love with the attached garage and the fact that it sat so far off the road. As you see on the bottom left, and you can tell from that drawing that it does sit farther back in the field. You can seethe attached garage. Mr. Taormina: Derek, can we confirm that? Is that right here? Mr. McLean: Yes, that's my house. Correct. Thank you. The attached garage and the fact that it sal so far off the road and had a beautiful field and trees behind it. So I bought it and was soon to meet my neighbors, Mike and Ralph. My parents got April 1, 2014 26356 divorced when I was 12. 1 moved around enough to know great neighbors from bad ones, and these neighbors I have today, I would call fiends or family. The impact that this has on me started when they destroyed the beautiful field behind my house, put up a fence and a 10 fool dirt bene and almost killed my beautiful three 30 fool tall evergreens doing so. I was against this from the beginning. I liked the things the way they are when I moved in. This is why I bought the house. There is no one in this world who would be okay with what they are trying to do behind our homes unless there was something in it for them other than a swamp full of mosquitos. I sprayed four times Iasi summer and previous years only once. Your decision directly affects me and my neighbors. If this is passed, I will sell my home and/or rent it out. I will not slay there. When I asked the Mayor Iasi night how he fell if someone put a parking structure behind his house, his first response was something short of political mumbo jumbo. Then later on I asked and he said, I quote, I would not want that. I replied sincerely and said thanks. The fine line is honesty, lmlh and respect. I'm sad to say but I have lost my respect for McLaren. They have been very misleading on what they want to do and what they are going to do. I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths anymore. They said they could put the lights on timers. They said they would plant trees on the berm. They said that the retention pond would drain and not tum into a swamp filled with mosquitos. And most importantly, they said all we need is a little parking lot. I feel like a fool or sucker for being misled. Jumping back to last night at this informational meeting when I first saw the pant for the plan, I thought to myself, they must be doing some really good drugs over there because this is absolutely insane, something short of a pipe dream. In fact, so insane anyone that thinks otherwise is in fact insane their selves. There is not a single person who works at McLaren who would be okay with this if they were in our shoes. If so, I'll sell you my house. If you guys want to play monopoly, then play it and buy all the surrounding homes. I know after what you did in the field and your future intentions, I do not wish to live there anymore. And on that, I will end my rant. I have some pictures here I would like you to see from when I moved in, before and after, plus the construction that lasted all summer. I ask of you, the Council, when you vote to try and imagine yourselves in our shoes. Could you ladies and gentlemen of the council honestly see this behind your homes? Thank you for your time. And I do have some photos that actually look me quite some time to put together and I had to go make them up. There's maybe a handful of photos here of just what I've been through in the last six years, the first couple pages if you guys would flip through. April 1, 2014 26357 Mr. Morrow: We will review it coming down the line. Would you want us to hang onto these and forward them to the City Council? Mr. McLean: Yes, that's fine. There's just one page I have to grab out of the back and you guys can have it. That's fine. Mr. Morrow: In other words, we can send it along with whatever our recommendation is and I assume you'll probably show up at that meeting and you can relneve it then. Mr. McLean: Oh, yeah. It was a $2 notebook and the pants weren't that expensive. Mr. Morrow: We'll mail it back to you, okay? Mr. McLean: Okay. I appreciate it. Mr. Morrow: We can give it back to you tonight or we can sent it to the City Council. Mr. McLean: Okay. Thanks a lot for your time. Oh, and one more thing loo. You know, I was so terrified when I found out last night, I contacted Channel 7 news. Theyre here. Jeff is sitting down over there. He wants to cover the story. He thinks it's an interesting story. Mr. Morrow: Okay. As long as he understands that this is just the first step and there will be another step after this. Mr. McLean: Right. I said to him, thanks for your support and he said, well, you know, I'm just covering the story. I feel like if the media sees this, they will understand. They will support us. Mr. Morrow: We appreciate that. Mr. McLean: Thankyou. Robert Austin, 20306 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. My wife and I have lived there for almost 30 years. We moved in in 1985, and many of those years I've spent coming to meetings like this to fight proposals from McLaren. I've been to one for an above- ground high octane gasoline storage lank, to this parking lot debacle, now to this. They've proven that they don't keep their promises. Other people have spoken on that. I won't take a lot of time but I just wanted to raise my objections to this plan, They have negatively affected our property values from what April 1, 2014 26358 they've already done. This will just annihilate them. They've had a very negative impact on the quality of living for the residents and homeowners in that general area with the noise at night, with the traffic, with the smog, everything that goes on at that place. I would just encourage the Planning Commission to not recommend passing this resolution onto the Council. Thank you. Nabil Nouman, 20341 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 was deployed for three years in Imq with the U.S. Army in Iraq. Actually, my main goal when I was there was to come home with the money I saved and buy a home that's going to be my haven, a home where I can relax. I found this house in 2011 when I purchased it and little did I know there were plans to change it into a three story parking structure right next to my lot. What I saw tonight is nothing but some rich company showing off their money, talking about tens of millions of dollars to construct a building, talking about there is no other commercial properties to purchase or to use in the area, whether it's Livonia or making it sound like being on the other side of 275 is way loo far. Being off Eight Mile is not that close to a freeway. You're still a few miles away from 96 and a few miles away from 275. Major, major companies have the majonty of their shops or businesses or manufactunng operations conducted on that 275 corridor. The gentleman from McLaren pointed out that his employees are going to be able to have a green view. I will sit in my backyard looking at a three level parking structure with lights on lop of it. I'm pretty sure his engineers make a good amount of money. I'm pretty sure they can drive a little bit further, and if so I'm pretty sure the neighborhood will pay for the gas just to drive out to that other side of 275 or McLaren can pay them for that. When describing the project, the gentleman reading the project was talking about efforts to limit the light. One thing the Army taught me is if you want to point a light al some target, you don't point the light directly. You point it on the ground or somewhere else and you'll still gel the splash. That's number one thing in tactical maneuvers. The lights from cars coming in and out of that structure are going to light up the whole neighborhood, whether there's the light fixtures or not. It's just from the vehicles going in and out. The noise, the speed bumps, whatever it is it's going to come in and out and obviously they work at night and everybody agrees that they do not commit to their word. They're going to tum that structure into just a small parking lot with a berm and the trees, and they never put the trees in, and now they're talking about all these issues. One thing I noticed when showing the sketches of the project, not one single image is from one of the house's perspectives. The April 1, 2014 26359 last picture they added today is not close to reality. Its not that close. None of the images that they have has a man next to it standing almost as tall as one of the parking structure's floors or stones. That is not realistic. I'm not an engineer but if you look at those images, there is no image that will show what we will see from our backyards. That's all I have to say. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: First of all, I want to thank you for your service. Its coming from a Korean veteran to you. Mr. Nouman: Thank you much. Melissa Wegener, 20445 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. We are on the west side across from the Cushman Building. We have had for several years problems with the lights along that building. They are not box lights. They come out. It goes into Catherine's house, lights up my living room at night. Across the street from the Cushman Building is a storage facility. The whole side of that building is full of lights. I encourage you to drive down Hubbard at night. Its lit up like a Chnstmas tree, and then you want to add all those lights over there. I've asked McLaren several times over the last four or five years to change those lights, to tum the box lights. They're right down to the ground. I also have a refrigeration company behind me. They have the same lights on their building. My bedroom lights up at night with the shades closed from the amount of light coming in there. You're going to have a structure up here, more lights in the neighborhood at night. It might as well be daytime back there. You talk about traffic. Hubbard goes down to Webster Elementary. Clarenceville is on the east side of Hubbard. Livonia District is on the west side. We have two bus routes up and down that street. You also have Webster Elementary which is a county program for special ed. You have busses in there from Northville, Redford, Garden City. I work in the district. I know what busses go in there. That's more traffic. Al 3:00 in the afternoon, those people are buzzing up and down that street coming out of that school. There's been an officer silting on the street the Iasi couple days trying to clock people, but he's there at 5:00 at night when all the traffic is gone. So you haven't calculated in that extra traffic you have from other things going on in the area. Then you have the storage facility over here who is running businesses out of there, lawn and snow removal companies, auto repair shops in there. They run all hours of the night. Three o'clock in the morning when it's snowing, the snow plow company is in and out running trucks. Their lights are on. Their bays are open. That backs right up to Catherine's house. She has to look at that and I'm talking it's literally maybe three April 1, 2014 26360 feet from the back of that to her back door. I mean it's right there on the properly line. So we have all this going on already, and then McLaren runs their testing all hours of the night. Upstairs in my bedroom at night, I can hear those dynometers running. I hear this humming all night. Now, I thought there's an ordinance for operations. The quiet time is after 11:00 p.m. I've been told it doesn't apply to us. I don't know what that zoning in there is, if they have a time limit. They said one time that they didn't really care because if they have a job to do, they have to finish it and they don't care about the ordinance because I've asked before with that gentleman back there a couple years ago and that's the response I got. And I've asked the supervisory and maintenance people about changing the lights. They've never done that. I encourage you to go down there at night and see how lit up it is, and you want to add more lights back there. It's not a good idea. You cant function with that. I understand he needs space. I understand that. It's getting fight. Theyre growing, which is good. You just spent a ton of money. They just redid all those buildings. You see how nice they look. So if they can throw that money away all of a sudden to tear it all apart, it's just a couple years old, and then rebuild all over again. What does that tell you? It's just disposable with no consideration for what we need or even to come and ask us. So I hope you look at this. I hope you come out to the property. You look and you see what's going on. That berm that they promised theyd put trees on . Mike's backyard, his whole fenceline was nice arborvitaes. They're all dead. The sand, the dirt, everything killed his stuff. They never put the trees on the berm. They didn't do anything. So, you know, we're back to the same square again. I hope you really think hard about this and ask the questions. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you Ralph Marlin, 20366 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I've been there for 50 years before McLaren. In 1969, the house that's next door to me at 20404 was moved off of Eight Mile Road. It was zoned Rural Urban Farm at that time. When McLaren bought the property, the area behind them was zoned Rural Urban Farm or residential. They knew it when they bought it and yet they still bought it. They knew it 10 years ago and they knew it five or six years ago when they wanted to put the parking in. The neighbors and I got together. We decided, well, to help McLaren out and help the City out, let's allow them to put in a row of parking spaces behind the wall, which is all they asked for at that time. I got a letter here from Gary Crone from McLaren to City Council dated April 21, 2010. It says, subject - April 1, 2014 26361 Petition 2009-11-0102, McLaren Performance Technologies, Conditional Rezoning Agreement, Statement of Voluntary Conditions. Conditional rezoning agreement, conditional. They knew it was residential zoning. They knew people had property all around there and had been there for 50 years, 40 years or longer. When they asked for that conditional rezoning, we offered it to them. We said instead of running back and forth to meetings and changing your plans 20 limes, lake a row of parking behind that wall and that will take care of your problem. Great. That's a wonderful thing. And after last night, this dazzles me too because I'm 350 feel away from the back of the building. When I look out of my window, I see the back of the building. I see all the stacks that they don't want the office people to see. I hear all the noise that they dont want the office people to hear and I see the neighborhood values going downhill when this plant, especially this monster that they're talking about, goes into operation. Values in the City of Livonia generally I think have gone down since the recession and it probably will slay down for awhile, but this is going to hurl bad. I talked to a real estate lady in 2009. 1 said, would you come out and give me an idea what I can gel for my house. She said, okay, I can do that. And I said, I want you to give me an idea of what you can gel for it if there's a parking lot next to my lot line. She said, the people wont gel out of the car to look at it. They won't even buy it. So my 50 years of investing in this little house would be worth nothing or next to nothing. I question the fad that they can go in there and rezone just for their benefit, and I know it benefits the City, but it's to their benefit to rezone it, and it's to heck with everybody else that's around it that have been puffing in all these years. The plant manager talked about the field was all overgrown with weeds and all that stuff. He didn't know or evidently didn't work there at the time when my neighbor and I went out on our riding lawnmowers keeping that area clear for probably seven or eight years because they never cut it. There were trees out there all over the place that grew up because we couldn't cul the trees down, but we cut the grass. The neighbors have put up with McLaren. Their bags full of sedaline that the guys lake out at midnight at the back door of the building and you wonder where the hell that comes from. Your windows are shaking and rattling. I want to see Livonia succeed. I've been a resident since 1969. My father bought his properly in Livonia 76 years ago on Inkster Road. So a long time Livonia resident, but I hale to see everything go bad in that neighborhood. Like the lady said, the one gentleman said, it's a wonderful area. We don't think about people breaking into our houses. When you have a problem, your neighbors are there without being asked, and its bad for all of us. But think about April 1, 2014 26362 the rezoning and think about when you walk out your back door in the morning to have a cup of coffee on your deck, you're looking at something 150 feet away three stories high with cars all over it. It's not a good thing. I appreciate your time. Craig Rickle, 20325 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Me and my wife, we just purchased this house two years ago. We looked around for a long time to find a nice secluded lot. We finally found what we wanted. I don't know if you can put them pictures up with the houses and the trees and that. Anyways, even when they did all the construction, put the berm in and everything, when we moved in there, you couldn't hear Eight Mile. You couldn't hear nothing. All the trees and everything had it totally blocked out. Now they cul these trees down and that's all open. You hear engines now. Never heard that. We're the second big lot below that yellow line. That was our view. Now if you can put that picture up of the backside of the parking structure, and that's what we're going to have to look at. That one there. If you want that in your backyard, and that's the whole reason why we moved and purchased this house for being secluded and that, and like everybody else said, they haven't put the trees up and everything they're going to do. Now I hear the test engines and that. I do service for a big company that does test cells and that. They expand. They expand. They expand and they're still expanding. They're getting funded by the state or federal. They can build another facility. There is no problem with that. This is not the place for them. That empty spot they're talking about in the back there, I guarantee you within three years there will be test cells back there. Three of them. They expand and expand because this is the modern technology. The government is giving them money. The lower the gas mileage or raise the gas mileage and that. So it's got to be test cells. It's the only way they can do it. Theyre just going to keep expanding. It's not why I came here to live. I came for peace and quiet which we had and it's slowly going away. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. I see no one else coming down. Mr. Taylor: You might want to explain that we're not rezoning anything. Mr. Morrow: Yes. What Mr. Taylor said is, this is slnctly a site plan. We're not doing any zoning tonight. All we're doing is looking at the zoning that's in place now and seeing how it fits on the particular lot. But the term zoning did come up a couple limes and that's not what we're doing. Its site plan review. That's what we're doing. Mr. Taylor: I understand that April 1, 2014 26363 Mr. Martin: I made a comment about the letter from McLaren to the City Council about the conditioning rezoning. Again, we were holding out not to allow them to do that for our benefit, but for the benefit of McLaren and the city. I drew that plan up. They look it from there and did something with it. But because we allowed them to do that, we're looking at three stories of cars and 200 people coming to the end of the block. Mr. Taylor: Its already done, so we're not really going to have anything to do with that. Actually, we're talking about a site plan. Actually, the zoning ordinance, and I'm not saying it's right, we didn't have to even notify you people that there was a change in the site plan. Through the Mayor and our Planning Director and the Planning Commission said, let's let them know anyway what's going on. Mr. Martin: I appreciate that. Mr. Taylor: Since 1971, 1 was on the Zoning Board of Appeals for eight years. I was on the Council for 25 years and now on the Planning Commission for about four or five years. I have heard almost everything that goes on Eight Mile, that 300 foot mark, and people complaining about what's going in. Its been induslnal for years. And this is probably the biggest problem that I've seen come on Eight Mile, this parking structure. I can certainly understand and feel for the fact that you have a problem with it, but this has been going on for 30 or 40 years. The zoning is there already. Its a 300 fool zoning. Most of the time, from when I've been on the Zoning Board and Council, we held tight to that 300 fool zoning. Now, once in a while some parking went in the back. I remember that, and obviously, I'm sympathetic to what you're here for, but we have to know what we're looking at. Actually, it they weren't pulling a parking structure on the back and going three stones high, they could redo that building with no problem. Mr. Martin: And I understand that. Mr. Taylor: I just want to lel everybody know that. Mr. Martin: And I appreciate your comment about the jewelry company. You didn't think it was appropriate. That's smart. That's good. But if they put a refinery in your backyard, I think you would be right here with me saying, I don't want a refinery in my backyard. Mr. Taylor: I understand that April 1, 2014 26364 Mr. Martin: Okay. Thank you. Ms. Wegener: Would you please make sure when we address this situation, though it might not be your department, but this retention pond, quote unquote, whatever that is back there. I was walking the block the other night and there's a huge fence that's supposed to be closed there. That thing is open all the time. It's a huge gale and a kid could walk back in there and fall in the pond back there in that water. Nine o'clock at night it's wide open. It's not protected or anything back there. Mr. Morrow: One of the benefits of having the McLaren people here, they're hearing all these concerns so hopefully it's not falling on deaf ears as it relates to the lights, as it relates to the other things. Ms. Wegener: Yes. Right. And hopefully it will be addressed. I just want to make sure the fencing is still back there when that structure goes up to keep people out of there. Mr. Morrow: We would expect full cooperation should this go through to fmilion and even with your concern about the retention pond, that's on-going. That should be done right along. We hope that will be taken care of and anything else that they've heard here tonight regardless of this petition. Ms. Wegener: Thankyou. Mr. Morrow: I see no one else coming forward. Its not a public hearing, but I am going to close it. Mr. McLean: What happens next? Mr. Morrow: Do you want to go to the podium, sir, so we can have a discussion? The people here tonight, you've heard from the petitioner, you've heard from us, you've heard from the residents. What we do now is, once everybody has had their say, I'll close the discussion and ask for a motion. Whether it's approving, denying, tabling, whatever, if it is approved or denied, this will go forward to the City Council with our recommendation. What you've seen here tonight will also be presented at the City Council level. They will make the final determination of the petition. I'm not sure if they will notify you. They may or may not, but if you're interested, it would be a good idea to notify the Council office so when this comes forward, to lel me know and you can gel the word out to the neighborhood April 1, 2014 26365 because we're trying to keep it open to the public as we move forward. Mr. McLean: That's what I was wondering, when the final vole will be. Mr. Morrow: The Council office will schedule their own hearing on this. We have no input into that. We will just forward the approval or denying to them along with all these plans, so you'll go through this at least one more time. Mr. McLean: So we'll come back here again? Mr. Morrow: To the City Council and they will ultimately decide what will be done, any modifications to the plans, any other approvals, they will have the final say. Mr. McLean: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: This is just a chance for us to send out the plans after reviewing them. It makes them a little more efficient because they don't have to take it from the top. They can see where we are and they can add or subtract from R. Mr. McLean: Thank you. And I have one quick thing. I did notice, I mean obviously they'll be expanding, but I really think the biggest problem is the parking structure. I did notice even with the combined buildings, tearing down the Cushman, its 40 absent spots. When we said that if you guys could do a little flat parking lot, I mean I'm sure you could put more than that back there. The parking structure is for like a couple hundred lots. If I wanted to live next to Greek Town Casino, I'd move down to Detroit. That's all I got. Thanks. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. I hope that answers your question. Before I ask for the motion, I want to compliment you folks. I've been doing this for a number of years, and I know you're concerned with it. You've been very ladylike and gentlemanlike. The Commission appreciates that. Thank you for coming. Mr. Bahr: Before a motion, would it be okay to bring the petitioner back up to maybe give him an opportunity to respond and I had some questions too. Mr. Morrow: What's what we're here for if you'd like to hear from another resident. April 1, 2014 26366 Mr. Bahr: No, I'm saying give the petfioner a chance to respond to everything we've heard in the last 30-00 minutes. Mr. Morrow: Did you want to call someone up? Mr. Bahr: I'm just asking if the petitioner can come back up. Mr. Morrow: Absolutely. Mr. Maxwell: Did you wanllo askquestions? Mr. Morrow: You've heard the input from the residents. Is there anything you'd like to add just in the interest of full disclosure? Mr. Maxwell: I'll talk about the parking since that's the one that seems to be the biggest issue for everybody. When the original flat surface small lot was proposed and put into place, that was based on having a minimal expansion, not anywhere near the size and scope we're talking about here. The benning was put in, the grass and the retention pond were put in. We definitely did not put in the trees and other things as promised. That was partly, right or wrong, because we didn't put the surface lot in. We didn't do all that so we were probably remiss in doing that. There is no reason why it can't still go in. Whether or not that's enough, or if there's other things we can put at the back of the garage, we're willing to look aljusl about most anything to make it visually more pleasing. There's no intent to deceive anybody here or the neighbors about what we're trying to do. Basically, we got the okay in December from the company to just entertain doing this, so we've been busy trying to figure out the best means to put this together and present it. We had no visions of doing this kind of thing back when that small flat area was put into place. No one was trying to deceive anybody. Now, yes, it is an intrusion. It is adding more than what is there today, and this and the City Council meeting is the forum and the right place to discuss that. There's pros and cons to doing everything and ultimately it's up to the City and the Zoning Board to make those decisions. We're just trying to lel everybody know what we think we need to do and want to do in that back area. If there are ways we can improve it over and above to make it easier on everybody in the neighborhood, we're willing to talk and entertain just about anything. This is really just the first proposal that's put forward to the City to try and see if it's workable and can we do it. Mr. Morrow: Mr. Bahr wanted to hear from you again. Some of the things you heard may not necessarily pertain to what we have before April 1, 2014 26367 us tonight. If you can work to try and co-exist with the neighbors a little bit better, if that's within the purview, we would expect that, and I think Mr. Wilshaw has something. Mr. Wilshaw: I'll start with a comment just briefly to the audience asking about the process it needs to go through. Obviously, we are a recommending body that is going to make a recommendation to City Council. The City Council has to hear this and ultimately make the decision, but in addition to that, there are some zoning variances. It would have to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals as well. So there's really three steps to this process. We are one of those three steps. Anyway, I just wanted to point that out. Mr. Morrow: Good point. Mr. Wilshaw: But my question to the petitioner, the parking obviously is the central area of concern for residents, and it is definitely a unique request to see a parking deck on the building in lieu of a large sea of ground parking, which may or may not even be able to fit in that area. Of course, we went through that four, five years ago when it was proposed and I was here at that time. The concems that I see primarily focus on the distance between the parking deck and the residents and lighting is an area of concern. I brought that up eadier and I think that still needs to be flushed out a little bit because that does impact residents at nighttime, and then, of course, the screening of that area through landscaping. Any proposal that would go forward I'm sure will require that the landscaping plan that was submitted prior, a few years ago, be completed and that there be adequate landscaping in the back of that property. My question for you, you have about a 40 fool ddveway, as I look at the plan, between the building and the parking deck itself. There's a pretty wide area of space that actually you can see on this plan right here. Is there any thought process of possibly moving that parking deck north, closer to the building, five, len feet or so that would lighten that space up a little bit, allow for adequate truck traffic to still pass through there, but also reduce the impact that's on the residents to the south? Mr. Maxwell: I have not personally. Mike, can we look at that? I'm not opposed to looking at it. I don't know what it impacts - the number of spaces and I believe, somebody stated that there were some rules about how many spaces you need relative to the number of people employed, and we'd have to look at that. April 1, 2014 26368 Mr. Gilles: From a technical point of view, it can be accommodated. One concern is always mixing truck traffic and the passenger traffic. In this case, with employees parking that close to the building, one thing you always try to do is keep the trucks away from the people. That's why we tried to maximize that space. Mr. Wilshaw: I understand that and I do appreciate that. I think there's a number of things McLaren has thought through on this plan to actually benefit the area. One of them is moving the truck well and receiving operations to Building #1 to make it more central on the properly so it's not close to the Hubbard Road entrance. I think that's an improvement, but it is still a fairy wide space between that receiving area and the parking deck Mark is highlighting with this pointer there. I'm not an engineer so I'm not going to tell you how many feel to move it, but I think there's some room that perhaps you can look at tightening that up a little bit if this moves forward. Its something to think about. Mr. Gilles: I'll commit to the board that we'll take a look at that and see if we can do some rearranging back there to move that further up into the existing area and out of that backyard area. Mr. Wilshaw: The other thing related to that parking deck is, in the southeast corner of the parking deck is a stairwell. There's two stairwells. One near the catwalk that goes across and then there's the one in the southeast comer so that people in the parking deck can walk down to the ground level and be able to walk to the buildings. You may want to consider moving that stairwell in the southeast corner up to maybe the northeast corner of that parking deck, just again to try to slide it up a little bit further, a little further away from the residents, so that if a person is standing in that stairway, they're not looking down into the backyards of neighboring properties. Mr. Gilles: We have to meet the requirements of the building code for exiling out of the structure. So as long as we meet those requirements, we can definitely consider moving that stairwell to the north. Mr. Wilshaw: Little things like that are just ways to try to minimize the impact that would be on the residential property abutting you. Thank you for considering those. Mr. Taylor: I think that one of the questions that some of the residents had with the lights and the parking structunng shining through. I know on most structures, this is the first one I've seen all metal like this, theyre pretty well enclosed where the lights don't go April 1, 2014 26369 through and into the neighborhood. Is there a way of closing that whole structure off so that lights dont go through and into the neighborhood? Mr. Gilles: This structure incorporates screening, and screening allows air to flow through the parking structure. Air is a necessity in an open-air parking structure because otherwise you're into sprinkler systems and other fire protection systems. Also, it becomes a much darker, less secure space. So the goal is to keep the parking structure open and transparent on the inside. The screening diffuses light from the headlights, but allows the air to flow through. The screening can be variegated to take away from the monolithic look of the structure to add some appeal to the exterior facade and to provide certain aspects of light diffusion at certain areas. For example, at the end of a drive aisle, it may be opaque, and in other areas, maybe on a stairwell or something, it's more transparent because what we're trying to do is keep a certain amount of openness to the structure, and we can adjust the opaqueness to suit the traffic on the structure. Mr. Taylor: What I'm looking at on the west side of the building, that looks like it's got some sort of brick structure or something on R. Mr. Gilles: That's the screening on the outside. Mr. Taylor: That is brick, then? Mr. Gilles: Typically, it's a metal and it could be a mesh; it could be louvers. Mr. Taylor: But it's solid to where the lights can't go through? Mr. Gilles: There's a different number of materials you can use for the opaque portions. Mr. Taylor: That's all I'm trying to do is diffuse the light. Mr. Gilles: Right. Mr. Taylor: I see that would diffuse the light. On the east side of the building, is that the same type of thing? Mr. Gilles: Yes. Mr. Taylor: On the east side of the structure, I should say. Mr. Gilles: That's correct. April 1, 2014 26370 Mr. Taylor: Its the same way? Mr. Gilles: Its the same way. Mr. Taylor: And you can't do that along the back part, or along the south side of the building? Mr. Gilles: Yes, we can. In the other picture we've shown, that one there, shows the same screening. Mr. Taylor: Okay. I didn't recognize it. Thank you. Ms. McIntyre: On the walkway, one of the things that I think we heard that is certainly understandable, is people are passing over the walkway, right, and have a clear elevated view into somebody's home. Is there a way that side of the walkway could be some sort of opaque glass or frosted glass? When I think about that and look at where that is and the position of people's windows, that would certainly be a concern of mine. Again, understanding that these are employees. This isn't a shopping mall, but at the same time, I wouldn't want anybody to have a clear shot view into my house. Mr. Gilles: We can use smoke glass or something where you can't really see out, but the light would come through but you can't really see out, like a shower or something like that. Yes. Mr. Morrow: I think where the Commission is coming from here is, we're trying to mitigate as much as possible the impact to the surrounding areas, and we know there's building codes and we know there's ventilation and that, but lights, there may be a way to shield them from the neighborhood but yet still give full illumination to the parking area and/or the building. So mitigation is the key word there. Mr. Gilles: Yes. Whatever comes out of this, we will take a look at it and do everything we can to try to mitigate those concems. Mr. Morrow: Mr. Bahr? Mr. Bahr: What is the height of the parking deck as it is proposed right now? Mr. Gilles: The top level is around 18 feet. Mr. Bahr: Eighteen? April 1, 2014 26371 Mr. Gilles: Yes. Mr. Bahr: That seems really short. Mr. Morrow: Thalwould be the third level. Mr. Bahr: Ifyou're sure aboulthal... Mr. Gilles: The floor level of the parking deck? Mr. Bahr: What is the height of the deck, the lop point of the deck? I guess not including the lights, but the structural part of the deck? You're saying the floor of the third level is 18 feel? Mr. Gilles: Yes. Mr. Bahr: I was just trying to gel a sense of what it was relative to the building up front. The building up front is 51 feel and this is 18 feel. That's helpful for me as far as providing some perspective as to how tall this deck actually is. Then also, you may have said this earlier, how many more vehicles are we talking, just relative to some of the traffic concerns that we're talking about. How many more vehicles are we talking here per day roughly? Mr. Gilles: If you assume everybody comes one man/one car, it's going to be another 100 vehicles. Mr. Bahr: Okay. Mr. Maxwell: I'm not sure where it stands, but I believe one of the things ... I don't know if it was a stale or county initiative, but I believe there is to be a traffic study out there. It was mentioned before. I make a left on Eight Mile every night going home, and I hate that because I'm asking to gel hit. I would love to see a traffic light out there even in lodays configuration, whether or not the county will do that. I'm not sure what that process is, but it's something that I think should be looked at because that should be the main way out, not Hubbard, for people especially if there is a traffic device that will allow a controlled exit. They can get out in plenty of time and we can certainly look at restricting people from using Hubbard as a standard exit. It would be emergency only. Mr. Bahr: As much as I don't want to see another light on Eight Mile, I know that could make a lot of sense. April 1, 2014 26372 Mr. Maxwell: You can have them activated where it slays green unless somebody comes up to it. Mr. Bahr: That can make a lot of sense. The other thing is more of a comment. You alluded to it earlier. I think you should definitely lake it under advisement about beefing up the landscaping around that bene. The pictures this gentlemen provided were really helpful for me. I did look at the site but I obviously am not trudging through the backyard to see exactly what you guys are seeing. Mr. Maxwell: There's no doubt that the west side of that back property is wide open, and the only thing that's there is the fence and the berm. There is no additional landscaping. Mr. Bahr: Right. Even in the picture, you can see there was some tree coverage in some places. Mr. McLean: That's my tree. Sorry for interrupting. Mr. Bahr: Whether its your tree or their tree, the point is, its not for them, and I can just see how that could probably make this a lot more palatable for the residents I would think. I'm all set. Ms. McIntyre: I got sidetracked in that conversation and now I forget what I was going to say. I'm sorry. Mr. Morrow: The Chair is going to rule. I think we're going to ask for a motion. I see this gentleman up here. We did offer all the time we needed to hear. Some of the commission wanted to talk. It came to you? Yes, ma'am. Ms. McIntyre: I don't know if this is possible, but I do know and understand neither of you are the architects for the garage, correct? Mr. Gilles: We engineer those types of garages, yes. Ms. McIntyre: You do? Okay. Is it possible for you to do a simulation to show, and I dont know if you can do it for a garage. I know you can do it for other things because I work at Ford and I've seen them. For you to do a simulation where you can show what the traffic headlights look like as people are coming in and out of the garage. Do you know what I'm saying? Is it possible for you to put something like that together - anything can be modeled, right- without undue expense and trouble? April 1, 2014 26373 Mr. Gilles: That's something we can look into. I know we haven't done it previously in terms of a simulation. Usually we just use the pholometncs, but we can definitely look into it for you. Mr. Morrow: With that, I'm going to ask for a motion. Everybody has had a chance to input. Mr. McLean: I did want to ask another question. Mr. Morrow: I would like to have it but I think I did say you'd have ample opportunity to ask at the City Council. Mr. McLean: Okay. They told us yesterday, the structure was 18 feet. So if you add another 9, that would be to the top, 9 to 10 feet. Mr. Morrow: Okay. Mr. McLean: My question was, how do they feel if this was behind their house? Mr. Morrow: We're nolgoing to gel into thattonight. Mr. McLean: Okay. I'm the one that's got to get up at 5:00 in the morning. I understand. Mr. Morrow: Now can we please have a motion? Ms. Smiley: Keeping in mind that this is about the structure and not about the zoning, I'd like to make an approving resolution. On a motion by Smiley, seconded by Taylor, and unanimously adopted, it was #04-19-2014 RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-03-08-03 submitted by McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with a proposal to construct a three-story office-research and manufacturing facility and erect a parking structure on properties at 32233 and 32367 Eight Mile Road, located on the south side of Eight Mile Road between Merriman Road and Hubbard Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3 be approved subject to the following conditions: 1. That the Site Plan marked Drawing No. SP1 dated March 7, 2014, as revised, prepared by Tacoma Engineers, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to; April 1, 2014 26374 2. That the Exterior Building Elevation Plan marked Drawing No. A4 dated March 7, 2014, as revised, prepared by Newlon Group, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to; 3. For safety purposes, a "No Left Tum" sign shall be installed near the site's driveway off Hubbard Road prohibiting trucks and vehicles from turning south into the neighboring residential areas; All ground -mounted light fixtures shall not exceed a height of twenty (20') feel, and the light poles mounted on the upper deck of the parking structure shall be a maximum height of fourteen (14') feet as measured from the finish elevation of the deck, provided the Petitioner determine whether the parking structure light poles can be lowered even further, and all lights shall be aimed and shielded so as to minimize stray light trespassing across property lines and glaring into adjacent roadways and residential properties; That the Petitioner shall submit a revised landscape plan that incorporates the berms and tree plantings in the southern area of 32233 Eight Mile Road, as depicted on the Plan marked Sheet No. RZ-1 dated Apnl 15, 2010, as revised, prepared by Merritt McPherson Cieslak, P.C., submitted during the rezoning Petition 2009-11-01-02, and shall include additional plantings in locations that will further shield the parking structure from the view of the adjoining residential properties; 6. That this approval is subject to the petitioner being granted a variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals for excess building height and encroachment into the side setback along Hubbard Road, subject to any conditions related thereto; 7. The Petitioner shall work with the Inspection Department to relocate the east stairwell of the parking structure further north and away from the abutting residential property; 8. The Petitioner shall consider moving the parking structure as far north on the site as possible, while still maintaining adequate width of the dnve aisle and separation between the structure and Building #1, such that the parking and movement of trucks and other vehicles is not impeded or adversely affected; and April 1, 2014 26375 9. For added privacy to the residents on Hubbard, the Pefitioner shall incorporate into the design and construction of the elevated walkway located between the parking structure and Building #1 a means of blocking or obscuring the visibility of persons using the walkway; 10. That the specific plans referenced in this approving resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department at the time the building permits are applied for; and, 11. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a period of ONE YEAR ONLY from the date of approval by City Council, and unless a building peril is obtained, this approval shall be null and void at the expimfion of said period. Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion? Ms. McIntyre: I'd like to offer up a suggested amendment to the approving resolution. For safely purposes, that it be a "no left turn' onto Hubbard for all traffic in consideration of the fact that there are going to be an extra 100 vehicles a day, and even though they will not be leaving with Webster's getting out, I think what we heard tonight, the neighbor's concern about additional southbound traffic. Ms. Smiley: We're not limiting 9 to trucks. I have no problem with that. Mr. Taylor: That's fine. Mr. Taormina: A couple points of clarification, correction actually on #5. The address 32205 should be replaced with 32233. Condition #6 should reference the setback as well as the building height in terms of Zoning Board of Appeals action. Condition #4, which addresses the height of the ground mounted light fixtures, Mr. Wilshaw this evening asked the question, and I think it was responded to affirmatively, that they would look at lowering the height as low as 12 feet on top of the deck. So we may want to address the light issue separately as it relates to the pole - mounted lighting on the deck. Some other suggestions came out and I would like, if the maker of the motion would consider, memorializing those recommendations into this resolution so that we can go back and have a record of that and make a comparison when this goes before the City Council to see whether or not those items have been addressed. April 1, 2014 26376 Ms. Smiley: Okay. Do you have those tallied? Mr. Taormina: I think there were two particular items. I know Mr. Wilshaw had two addressing the location of the stairwell on east side of structure and the location of the structure itself and whether or not it could be shifted slightly to the north to the extent possible. Mr. Morrow: I was going to ask you, Mr. Taormina, I saw you making notes over there and we heard some things that we would like to incorporate into the resolution. Ms. Smiley: So the location of the stairwell would be #9 and moving the structure more north if possible? Mr. Wilshaw: I would like that in there please. Ms. McIntyre: I don't know if we feel it's necessary to the level of detail requiring that the glass on the western walkway be opaque. Mr. Morrow: That was introduced. Mark, relative to some kind of shielding, some kind of material there. You would think it would have it just to keep them out of the elements, you know. Mr. Taormina: As I understand it, it's going to be enclosed. The question is whether it will be a clear glazing or some other opaque or solid material to be used. In looking at that, I would agree that at least on the west side, that should be something to be considered. The east side of that catwalk, if you will, probably is less of an issue, but certainly the west side. We can incorporate that language into a condition if that's the direction. Mr. Morrow: Yes. That's what we're trying to do right now is work some of these things that came out of the meeting. One thing I've learned also addresses the landscape plan. I see it was dated Apnl, 2010. I'd like to have the staff look at it as it relates to, now there will be parking deck back there to see if it can be upgraded in any way to mitigate the line of sight from the building to the residents if we're talking berms with trees on top of it to shield from the residents. Will you be able to do that? Mr. Taormina: Yes. Ilhinkwhatwe'lldois.... Mr. Morrow: Call it back? Mr. Taormina: No, not unless you desire to have it called back. We can include it within Condition #5 or create a separate condition that April 1, 2014 26377 would require a new landscape plan be submitted consistent with the plan that was submitted back in 2010 but would show additional trees. Mr. Morrow: With the view that there's going to be a parking deck in lieu of a parking lot. Ms. Smiley: I'm hoping you have wording on this. Mr. Taormina: I have to make it. Ms. Smiley: Okay. So we did the landscaping, increase the setback, we eliminated the trucks only and then we did the location of the stairwell, the structure moving more north and the walkway glass shielding at the very minimum the west side. Is there anything else? Mr. Morrow: I'm assuming, Mr. Taylor, you will go along with this? Mr. Taylor: I have no problem. Mr. Bahr: If the amendments are done, I just had a comment. Mr. Morrow: I think we're going to say the amendments are done. Mr. Bahr: I just want to lake a beef moment. I've been involved for the last seven years with a group here in Livonia called Livonia Community Marketing Consortium and we spend a lot of time talking about the assets of the city and how the city can be positioned for growth in the future. The thing we always come back to is that, going all the way back to the City's founding, it's made this city the place that it is, a place where people want to live and a place where business wants to be, is its people. And every time we had an issue like, and its not real often, but every time we have an issue like this that gels a lot of attention, I'm continually thankful for the courteousness and the civility and the respect that everybody shows, the business and people. I know this is something that is an emotional thing. Its very personal, but everybody here tonight, even with strong opinions, and totally justifiable opinions, has just been incredibly courteous. So thank you for being that, not just for the sake of tonight's meeting, but for the sake of the future of our City. I would encourage you to continue to keep the dialogue open with the business. While I certainly understand some of the things that were expressed about feeling that you were deceived, I think in the comments that you've heard, I think we've heard that this business did not intent to deceive you and ITEM #4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting Ms. Smiley, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the Minutes of the 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held on March 18, 2014. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was #04-20-2014 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on March 18, 2014, are hereby approved. A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following AYES: April 1, 2014 NAYS: 26378 ABSENT: wants to work with you. I hope that dialogue can remain open ABSTAIN: and just thank you again for how you represented our city here this evening. Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carded and the foregoing resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution. I will repeal what I said eadier. They will make the final delerninafion. These are your elected officials. Just to be sure you're notified again, contact the Council Office and give them your name and number so you can be notified when it goes on their agenda. This is just kind of a fail-safe kind of thing because we have no idea how they will handle it. We know how we handled it. Ms. McIntyre: They will be notified by the Zoning Board. They will all receive letters. Mr. Morrow: That only applies to the City Council. As it relates to the zoning, the Zoning Board will notify you when it comes up for those two items, the height of the building and the one setback which was like three feel short. With that, good night. Thank you for coming. ITEM #4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting Ms. Smiley, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the Minutes of the 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held on March 18, 2014. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was #04-20-2014 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,052nd Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on March 18, 2014, are hereby approved. A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following AYES: Taylor, Bahr, McIntyre, Wilshaw, Smiley, Morrow NAYS: None ABSENT: None ABSTAIN: None Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carded and the foregoing resolution adopted. April 1, 2014 26379 On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,053'" Public Heanngs and Regular Meeting held on April 1, 2014, was adjourned at 9:38 p.m. CIN PLANNING COMMISSION Carol A. Smiley, Acting Secretary ATTEST: R. Lee Morrow, Chairman