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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCOUNCIL STUDY - 2008-06-16 CITY OF LIVONIA— CITY COUNCIL MINUTES OF STUDY MEETING HELD JUNE 16, 2008 Meeting was called to order at 8:00 p.m. Present: Don Knapp, Terry Godfroid- Marecki, James McCann, Joe Laura, Brian Meakin, Thomas Robinson, and Laura Toy. Absent: None. Elected and appointed officials present: Mayor Jack Kirksey; Sean Kavanagh, City Attorney; Alex Bishop, Director of Inspection; Jim Zoumbaris, City Engineer (Operations); Robert Biga, Human Resources Director; Judge Kathleen McCann, 16th District Court; Kevin Roney, City Engineer (Utilities & Engineering); Mark Taormina, City Planner; and Maureen Cosgrove, Assistant City Clerk. AUDIENCE COMMUNICATION: None. NEW BUSINESS: 1. BLOCK PARTY: Dorothy Hanlon, re: to be held Sunday, June 29, 2008, from 12:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Ashurst, between Five Mile and Lamoyne, with no rain date requested. Dorothy Hanlon was present to answer any questions. Meakin offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 2. BLOCK PARTY: Rich Bennetts, re: to be held Saturday, August 30, 2008, from 2:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Donna, between Pembrooke and Fairfax, with a rain date requested of Sunday, August 31, 2008. Rich Bennetts was present and stated that this is his 2nd Annual Block Party. Godfroid-Marecki offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 3. BLOCK PARTY: Andrea Barterian, re: to be held Saturday, August 23, 20087 from 4:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Shadyside, between Orangelawn and West Chicago, with a rain date requested of Sunday, August 24, 2008. Knapp offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 2 4. BLOCK PARTY: Julie Hipshier, re: to be held Saturday, August 16, 2008, from 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Shadyside, between Haldane and Gable, with no rain date requested. Julie Hipshier was present to request her 5th Annual Block Party. Robinson offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 5. BLOCK PARTY: Lisa Damico, re: to be held Saturday, August 9, 2008, from 3:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Martin, between Westmore and Loveland, with no rain date requested. Knapp offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 6. BLOCK PARTY: Scott Wynn, re: to be held Saturday, August 16, 2008, from 3:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Rayburn, between Levan and Williams, with no rain date requested. Godfroid-Marecki offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 7. BLOCK PARTY: Patricia Holcomb, re: to be held Friday, July 4, 2008, from 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Cavell Street, between Capital and Grantland, with no rain date requested. Knapp offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 8. BLOCK PARTY: Mary Beth Morris, re: to be held Saturday, July 26, 2008, from 1:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Woodring Street, between Vermont and Oregon, with a rain date requested of Sunday, July 27, 2008. Mary Beth Morris was present to request their 20th Annual Block Party. Robinson offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 3 9. BLOCK PARTY: Andrea Kolhoff, re: to be held Saturday, August 9, 2008, from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. on the northwest corner of Devon Aire Park on Sunset, between Richland and Robert and on Robert between Sunset and Flamingo, with a rain date requested of Sunday, August 10, 2008. Knapp stated that this is the 3rd Annual Corn Roast put on by the Devon-Aire Civic Association led by Andrea Kolhoff and assisted by Christopher Kolhoff. They also have had this corn roast in other years. Knapp offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 10. GLEN EDEN LUTHERAN MEMORIAL PARK CONCERNS: Harry Hinzman, re: fence installation along the west end of the cemetery property. Steven Hinzman, 19432 Gaylord, Redford, MI, was present and stated that they have nine (9) graves on the corner lot of the cemetery, but he takes care of twenty five (25) graves total. He has seen residents of the subdivision next door take their dogs into the cemetery. In the winter time, they have the dogs on long leashes, and they let them go on the grave blankets. Most pick up the droppings, others do not. When he gets there early on Sunday mornings, he sees people walking their dogs and riding bicycles even when the cemetery is locked. He cannot get in because the gate is locked, yet there are people inside walking. Alex Bishop, Director of Inspection, stated that he went out to the site today and met with the developers, James Deutchman and Bob Schwartz of Golf Ridge Villa Homes, which is adjacent to the cemetery. According to Mark Taormina, there is no city requirement for fences separating properties at that location. Their plans are to put fencing there. He understood from Mr. Deutchman that he spoke to Mr. Hinzman, Sr. today. They have one-third of the fence that is along the southern border already completed. They have plans to do another one-third which entails anywhere from 750 to 900 feet of fencing set to start in approximately one (1) week. This is the fencing that is going to go across the area Mr. Hinzman is talking about. There is a small balance of fencing that is scheduled to be done. Mr. Deutchman is a reputable developer and is very concerned about the problem. He tracked down Mr. Hinzman in Kentucky and had a conversation today to let him know he was concerned, he wants to take care of the issues, and they are responding to him. The site plan does not call for fencing. The plans currently that were between the developer and the cemetery have a pass-through to walk from each property, and they have an easement agreement. The City only has responsibility for site plan approval. He was not referring to the 1911 State Law which may or may not be enforceable. This would be determined through the City Attorney. Mr. Deutchman has this on his plans, and Mr. Bishop saw the schedule for a couple of pass-throughs going over to the cemetery. 4 James Deutchman, Golf Ridge Villa Homes, 6020 West Maple Road, Suite 503, W. Bloomfield, MI 48322, stated the fencing which they have already staked out will be installed in the next week or ten days. The surveyors finished last Friday. They will have completed about two thirds of the remaining boundary with Glen Eden Cemetery. To complete the entire encompassing of the cemetery would consist of putting a fence boundary around the ponds, which he feels would be beneficial to the people who visit the cemetery. There is no negative impact on their development. When he spoke with Mr. Hinzman in Kentucky today, he stated that he likes to go to the cemetery and loves to take the kids over to feed the ducks. If they put the fence up, this would enclose the cemetery and the ponds. The ponds would not be directly accessible to the public. They have cooperative arrangements with the cemetery for them to utilize the pond for irrigation or whatever means they have for the water. Their purpose is basically to comply with the request to encase the cemetery in chain-link fencing. From the practical point of view, this can be done, but they do not think it is in the best interests of whatever everyone is asking for. He knows of one resident that has a tiny dog who walks the dog in the cemetery. Mr. Deutchman stated he went over to the cemetery where the Hinzman graves are, and there was a small accumulation of defecation, but he thought it was from the Canadian geese which they cannot do much about. He saw a State Ordinance which was written in 1911 talking about fencing in cemeteries for the purpose of keeping livestock out, which made sense. There is no livestock at this cemetery, just people walking dogs. He does not feel the fence would provide the security that is being requested. Harry Hinzman, Jr., 11283 Newman Road, Brighton, MI, stated he disagreed with them, and said that one of the Acts of the State Ordinance says that private cemeteries in the city come under the duties of the City Council, then the City, then the State. As outlined in Section 128.101, 102, and 103, the cemetery is to be fenced, and it is the owner of the cemetery who is responsible, and the City Council is responsible for insuring that the activity occurs. Thomas Habitz, General Manager of Glen Eden Lutheran Memorial Gardens, 30359 Norwich Drive, Novi, MI, was present to address two (2) issues. The cemetery is closed until 9:00 a.m. on Sunday to automotive traffic. There are two (2) small gates on either side of the main gate which are never locked. The security guard has access to the cemetery during the night after he locks the main gates. They have had a few instances where someone has got locked in the cemetery, so the side gates are always open. If someone wants to come in at 8:30 a.m. on Sunday, there is not much they can do about that. They welcome people to come into the cemetery. They are one of the top ten (10) cemeteries in Michigan. Mr. Habitz is also President of the Michigan Cemetery Association this year. In his travels around the state, he stated that there are hundreds of cemeteries that do not have fences around them. He would like to see the matter resolved in a reasonable manner. 5 Godfroid-Marecki offered a resolution to refer this matter to the Law Department for its opinion. Sean Kavanagh stated there are ordinances, and if complaints are made, the cemetery owners can ask the Police Department to issue citations to the neighbors who want to bring their pets onto the cemetery. He would have to do research into the State Statute to see if it would still be applicable. Knapp stated that in the packet, they have what appears to be a copy of sections of the State Law that indicates that the owner of the cemetery puts up the fence and maintain it. So there is an issue of fencing and not an issue that falls to the City, but for an enforcement of the fence and to make sure it is maintained. He stated that it would help if the City Attorney checked it out. It seems to put the burden on the owner of the cemetery to put up the fence and keep it locked. Sean Kavanagh stated that a lot of times, fences are put up just to demarcate boundaries, but not to keep things in or out. Obviously, this fence is being requested to keep pets out, and maybe even people. Jim Deutchman stated that for the most part, the fence would be erected to delineate the boundary between the housing development and the cemetery. The fence will not keep the residents out. The cemetery is currently all fenced except the remaining section. They are proposing to not fence it around the ponds. It is virtually all fenced. Alex Bishop stated this is just another fence that does not complete a property. There is one on Five Mile Road by the hospital property. They delineated a portion of the fence. The cemetery does not want to block the view of the ponds from the people visiting the cemetery. Sean Kavanagh mentioned that the City owns several cemeteries that have fences, but they all have permanent openings in them. Mt. Hope at Middlebelt and Six Mile does not have any fencing around it. Godfroid-Marecki offered a resolution to refer to the Law Department for its report and recommendation for the Regular Agenda. McCann offered a resolution of no further action for the Regular Agenda unless the Legal Department comes back and gives prior notice that we should not go in that direction. DIRECTION: (1) REFER TO THE LAW DEPARTMENT REGULAR (2) NO FURTHER ACTION 6 11. REQUEST FROM THE MICHIGAN LIQUOR CONTROL COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE THE REQUEST FROM RNZ, INC. TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF 2007 SDD AND SDM LICENSED BUSINESS FROM UNCLES & NEPHEWS, INC.: Division of Police, re: for the business located at 19610 Middlebelt, Livonia, MI 48154. Rocky Zebari, 37731 Stableview Drive, Farmington Hills, MI, stated he is selling the business to his brother who has been in business before. Rocky owns Country Style Market on Middlebelt, and they sell liquor. Meakin offered the approving resolution for the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 12. REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE PURCHASES FROM SOLE SUPPLIER FOR STORMWATER, WATER MAIN AND SANITARY MANHOLE RELATED ITEMS NOT TO EXCEED $60,000.00 ANNUALLY: Water and Sewer Board, re: to be purchased from East Jordan Iron Works. (CR 94-04) Jim Zoumbaris, City Engineer (Operations), stated that East Jordan has provided the six (6) inch and eight (8) inch valves, six (6) inch irons, frames and covers for the City's storm sewers, sanitary manholes, and gate wells for a number of years and are the sole supplier in the U.S. of these items. They also furnish parts for each assembly. It went before the Water Board on April 7, 2008 and got their approval to purchase these items. They are asking approval by the Council for a total cost not to exceed $60,000.00 annually. East Jordan has been providing for all communities in this area. Frames and covers are stenciled with the City seal. They have also been providing the six-inch hydrants which are used exclusively in Livonia on the six-inch breakaways. Knapp offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 13. LIVONIA EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM 55TH ANNUAL ACTUARIAL VALUATION REPORT OF DEFINED BENEFIT (DB) PLAN AS OF NOVEMBER 30, 2007: Board of Trustees — Livonia Employees Retirement System, re. same. Robert Biga, Human Resources Director, stated that as shown on the evaluation, the Defined Benefit Plan continues to function well. The Retirement Board is very conservative on investments. We have an outside investment council who is doing a very good job, and the planning continues to be an over-funded situation which is good. As a result, the City has no contribution for Pension Plan. The City has been able to weather the economic problems, changes in the stock market, and the funded ratio has continued to increase over the last couple of years. 7 McCann offered the resolution to receive and file this item on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: RECEIVE AND FILE CONSENT 14. LIVONIA RETIREE HEALTH AND DISABILITY BENEFITS PLAN AND TRUST (VEBA) 10TH ANNUAL ACTUARIAL VALUATION REPORT AS OF NOVEMBER 30, 2007: Board of Trustees — Livonia Employees Retirement System, re. same. Robert Biga, Human Resources Director, stated that the VEBA (Voluntary Employees' Beneficiary Association) is the source of monies that are used to pay for an employee's post employment medical benefits and also the disability benefits for any employee in the Defined Contribution Plan. This plan currently has unfunded liability of approximately 35.6% which is about a 62.9 million dollar unfunded liability. This is amortized over a period of forty (40) years and is like a mortgage. The City has been very successful in getting the VEBA funded ratio and unfunded liability amount to decrease. The funding ratio has gone up. The plan has done very well. They have recently been able to negotiate with employees to have an employee contribution into the VEBA. This has been helpful in reducing the City's contribution rate. Most employers or governments have not funded anything. He mentioned that in some years, we have been in the double digits. We are now self-insured for all medical benefits. We pay the actual medical cost, not the insurance premium. Everyone that is in the plan is invested. If they decide to leave, they have the option for an annuity withdrawal. Godfroid-Marecki offered the resolution to receive and file this item on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: RECEIVE AND FILE CONSENT 15. 401(a) DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2007: Board of Trustees, Livonia Employees Retirement System, re: as submitted by Great West Retirement Services. Robert Biga, Human Resources Director, stated that Great West is the Plan Administrator for the 401a plan which is comparable to a 401k plan in the private sector. The "a" is the governmental equivalent. During 1997 and 1998, depending on the bargaining unit, employees have had the 401a Plan as the only source of retirement income. The 401a Plan is for employees hired after 1997 and employees who were hired prior to those dates who elected to voluntarily transfer to the DC Plan. There are approximately forty (40) different funds that are offered plus there is a self-directed method where employees can choose what they want. The plan offers a wide variety of standard investment alternatives as well as other options. The City is also offering investment advice through Great West. 8 There is only one Plan Administrator that goes from month to month since the contract ended, and they will be going out for a request for proposal for a new contract which will allow others who have indicated an interest to bid on this type of program. The request for proposal is being prepared by the Finance Director, and Biga will get together with Slater and try to get the RFQ out by September. Godfroid-Marecki offered the resolution to receive and file this item on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: RECEIVE AND FILE CONSENT 16. REQUEST TO AMEND CR #532-07: Planning Department, re: to increase the scope of services and associated professional fees in connection with the architectural design contract between the City and French Associates, Inc./Neumann Smith and Associates, and to establish a total building budget and streamlined procurement procedure for the construction of a new 16th District Courthouse. Judge Kathleen McCann, 16th District Court, 19897 Myron, introduced Dave Asker and Paul Rivetto who are Project Managers with Plante Moran CRESA, Susan Carlson from French Associates, the architectural firm working with Neumann Smith in designing the Courthouse, and Natalie Stojcevska, the Deputy Court Administrator. They are coming before Council to request an amendment to what was previously requested. This project has been going on for ten (10) years or so. They have not made any changes to the old courthouse during this time. The current courthouse has functioned for many, many years with a lot of deficits—rehab and jail cells that were built for three (3) people that house twenty five (25) to twenty six (26) people at a time. There's a toilet in one, so they have to switch prisoners twenty five (25) each time to the other side so that one person can go into the other side. There is a security risk when all of these prisoners need to be brought through the main entrance through the public. There is no secure place for prisoners. The place for the Magistrate is downstairs in the basement with no ventilation. There are other ventilation problems too. They do not have any adequate housing for the documents currently in the courthouse yet alone the staffing area. The probation area is under-housed, and they do not have enough area for it. There is no sufficient area to separate the Drug Court or the Drug Court Probation Officers. There are many other issues. There are no provisions for jurors or witnesses who are handicapped or for anyone who is incapacitated in any way. One time, the front of the courthouse was burnt because of low security issues. Caseloads have also increased over the years. The 16th District Court has one of the highest caseloads perjudge in the State. Mark Taormina, City Planner, stated there are a number of action items. One is to increase the scope of services in connection with the professional service contract between the City and French Associates/Neumann Smith. There are a couple of things that have been modified with that. First is the inclusion of the 9 furniture, fixtures and equipment as part of the design as well as the technology component, two (2) things that were not originally included within the design services of that contract that the City has opted to include as part of French Associates contract. That would increase fees as well as the approval of the overall project and formation of a three (3) member project oversight team that would be established for the purpose of approving the project related expenses. Three (3) different locations have been looked at for the new courthouse. The City is now looking at building the courthouse at the northeast corner of the Civic Center campus between the main library and Brookfield Avenue. The location, although not entirely free of constraints, is the best of the three (3) locations. The overall cost on all aspects of the project is now $10,995,081.00. Because of lost time that has been experienced going through this process, they would like to accelerate the project. They would like to begin construction in the early Spring, possibly with some site development work beginning as early as this Winter. The site plan review process is currently underway. The Planning Commission is meeting tomorrow night and the Study Session a few weeks afterwards. It should be ready for Council's review in mid July. Following the site plan review, the contract documents would be prepared, and Council would select the general contractor. In order to effectively manage the process expeditiously, they will have to create a three (3) member project oversight committee that would consist of the Council Liaison, Brian Meakin; Judge Kathleen McCann; and City Planner, Mark Taormina. With the assistance of Plante Moran CRESA as well as the project architects and general contractor, they reviewed a quality-based selection and competitive process so they could select vendors and approve contracts as well as purchase services and materials for all project related expenditures for the courthouse not to exceed the overall approved project budget. Included in this request is the revised contract with the revised dollar figures as well as scope of services. There is also a preliminary budget and a proposed project schedule. All the details are included. Godfroid-Marecki asked if this has been done before when the Recreation Center was being built. Mark Taormina stated that all the purchases were done by the construction manager with oversight by the Public Works Department. Council had approved the budget for the Recreation Center, and then the decisions were made by the construction manager. Judge Kathleen McCann stated that a lot of ideas were discussed regarding the old courthouse once the new one is built. The Mayor has several thoughts that he will want to discuss with the Council. The idea is to keep the old courthouse running while the new one is being built. There will be some money available to refurbish the courthouse in the meantime. The current courthouse was built in 1971 and been in service since then. It has served its purpose, and maybe even over-served its purpose, but it has served the City for over 30 years. The new one they expect a scope of 30 to 50 years. They expect to have higher security, ADA requirements, and good technology which is very important. The current courthouse has no technology. 10 After approval by Council, then the three (3) member project oversight team would then have approval over the expenditures, reviewing the bids, and the selection of contractors, but Council would still pick the general contractor. If they had to go to the Council every time they have to do this, it would delay the project, and they would lose time in getting the courthouse built. The project oversight team would approve items within the budget. All cost overruns would have to come back to the Council. Mark Taormina stated that when they built the Recreation Center, it did involve the construction manager as well as representatives of the Department of Public Services and possibly the Finance Department that reviewed the individual components for selections of vendors and particular contracts. Certain issues may have come back for the Council's consideration. Plante Moran has identified eight (8) or possibly ten (10) particular items within the contract which will be sent out for a bidding process, but would come back to Council and the court oversight committee to make the decision. With Brian Meakin on the court team, the Council could be kept abreast of what is going on. Laura Toy would like to see more people on the team rather than just three (3). She would like to see someone from the Finance Department and Parks & Recreation on the team. Judge Kathleen McCann stated they spent some money on looking to refurbish the old courthouse, and they had architects and they did drawings. They did a feasibility study to try and expand the old courthouse to accommodate all of their needs, but even so, they could not expand the jails to make them sufficient or adequate, and they could not create a good enough security system so that the prisoner issue was adequately addressed. The cost was so exorbitant, this did not work out. Sometimes it is cheaper to build a new courthouse. Laura offered the approving resolution on the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: APPROVING CONSENT 17. FUNDRAISING TECHNIQUES: Councilmember Robinson, re: same for discussion purposes. Robinson stated that the Livonia Fire Fighters Association was trying to do a good deed by raising money for the Muscular Dystrophy Association. Part of the fundraising techniques is standing out on the street corners while they are off duty raising money. The ordinance prohibits them from doing so. He stated he would like to assist them. Mike Bailey, 22829 Sheridan, Dearborn, MI, is the Vice President of Livonia Fire Fighters Local 1164. 11 There is an ordinance 10.90.100 soliciting drives employment or contributions prohibited. Paragraph "B" states that effective June 1, 1994, no personal group or organization shall stand in a roadway, highway, or street for the purpose of soliciting contributions. They understand the ordinance. Last year they made arrangements with the businesses for them to be out in front of their business to collect the donations. There were a lot of miscommunications with Ford main headquarters, and they got kicked off the property. They collected $400.00 which is appreciated; however, there are other communities that do stand in the street and collect contributions of thousands of dollars. They are looking for some help on this matter. He stated that the fundraiser will be the last week of July with union members. No one on duty will be assisting with the fundraiser. They are professionals and do work in the streets for extrications, etc., so they are qualified. Rob Domenzain, 7977 Kaiser, Canton, MI, Secretary of the Livonia Fire Fighters Local 1164, stated that they do a lot of solicitation for the MDA Foundation. They are in front of Council to discuss the ordinance. July 24th through July 27th is National Fire Fighter MDA Week. Last year, due to the ordinance, he put together some locations for the five (5) fire stations to go to local commercial businesses for donations. A lot of the businesses have policies for no solicitation. In years past, they have been in the street to collect for different groups, but they were unaware of the ordinance. He has a contact with MD that he works with. She will be at the meeting next week. They do supply yellow safety vests, shirts, and placards which will be placed 200 to 500 feet away from the intersection. They are going to try to plan curbside collection. They will take a lot of precautions. MDA insures every off-duty fire fighter that works for a $500,000.00 risk policy if there is an incidence, and the City will not be held liable. They got together with Chief Shadd Whitehead, and he stated that if this was done off duty and with all the safety precautions, they could do it. Again, it is purely voluntary. He has to get with the union members to see who will volunteer. Mike Bailey and himself will be there to volunteer. He would like a waiver of the ordinance. Godfroid-Marecki mentioned that back around 1992, a Goodfellow or someone was hit at Six and Farmington and was seriously injured. Sean Kavanagh stated before that, a lot of organizations raised money in the street, then after a couple of people got hit by cars (this was before cell phone distractions), the City Council prohibited any solicitation in the roadway. The Goodfellows and the Knights of Columbus have tried to go to the businesses in town instead. They are not as successful as they used to be, but they are safer. The Goodfellows have the mail solicitation which they get 75% of their funds from now. The ordinance would have to be changed to allow the firefighters to be in the street. He was not sure if the City could give a temporary waiver, but the Mayor 12 could give one maybe. Sean stated the ordinance could be amended to have the Firefighters do this once a year. Knapp is a little reluctant to change the ordinance or waive the ordinance. He would like to see what the Law Department's position is, and if there are some requirements that could be included in the ordinance such as if you were a trained professional, insurance and liability requirements, etc. Robinson offered a resolution referring to the Administration for its report and recommendation on firefighters or police officers that want to do a fundraiser once a year for the Consent Agenda. DIRECTION: REFER TO THE ADMINISTRATION - CONSENT WITH ANSWER PRIOR TO REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 23, 2008 AUDIENCE COMMUNICATION: None. Knapp wished a Belated Happy Father's Day to his dad, Don Knapp. Robinson also wished a Happy Father's Day to all dads. As there were no further questions or comments, Council President Toy adjourned the Study Session at 9:34 p.m. on Monday, June 16, 2008. DATED: June 20, 2008 LINDA GRIMSBY, CITY CLERK